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#1
Hey, im going into university relatively soon, and when ive stepped back from the propaganda of school and the government (UK) - i've realised im not really choosing to go to university, im just doing it to tick that 'box' that is hardly worth anything anymore.
I was in registration the other day, one of my friends said he didnt want to go to university, and my tutor instantly rattled off "oh so you dont want to live a life of luxury then do you?" - you can imagine his reaction :P

But i mean university isn't everything - there's plenty of people out there proving that. I mean i dont think university is even worth going anymore, since you become "over-qualified" to do simple jobs, so unless you do a job related course, you find it hard to even get the simplest of work. I've always had a problem with years of 'effort' summising into 2 pieces of paper at the end saying you've got such and such a mark out of 80.

I just think its wrong that teachers are openly pushing you towards university, and if you dont, you dont get a "life of luxury" - which i think is wrong and quite pathetically stupid.

What happened to freedom or choice - when did all this pressure come to ahead? Such as pushing since year 9 about GCSE's, then start of year 12 straight about A levels, then start of 13 into degrees.

I guess my point has turned into a rant - im unsure of how i feel about that :P - but regardless, has anyone had similar experiences - or feel the same?
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#4
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I feel the same.
My mum doesn't want me to go to university though, why go if there's no point? :|


Personally the reason im going is to avoid 3 years of work, give me some more time to work out what i want to be.

As is the shared dream on here, if prefer to persue music more than anything else.

I mean the cost of university is also off putting.
#5
well, if you go, and actually manage to finish with a degree, it will help you. even if you dont get a job directly related to your degree, you will have an advantage over people who dont have one. you will be more likely to get a job than someone without a degree, and you will most likely be paid considerably more than someone without a degree.


but that doesnt mean you definitely need one to get a good job. it just gives you an advantage.
#6
Regardless or not of the worth of University education there's a lot to be said for the freedom and meeting totally new people.
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But i mean university isn't everything - there's plenty of people out there proving that.


As well as the opposite...

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I just think its wrong that teachers are openly pushing you towards university, and if you dont, you dont get a "life of luxury" - which i think is wrong and quite pathetically stupid.


I'm sorry, how many times have you heard the "life of luxury" thing? Once? Oh yeah, everyone is pushing you to that.

I'm really sorry your teachers want you to go to university, get a better education and have a better chance of getting a job. I mean, what are they thinking?

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What happened to freedom or choice - when did all this pressure come to ahead? Such as pushing since year 9 about GCSE's, then start of year 12 straight about A levels, then start of 13 into degrees.


You still have freedom of choice you dolt even if someone suggests you should go to a university.

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I guess my point has turned into a rant - im unsure of how i feel about that :P - but regardless, has anyone had similar experiences - or feel the same?


More like an excellent demonstration of rationalising why one should not be going to a university.
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#8
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My tutor was pretty cool with people who want to go straight into employment after A-levels.

Tbh, if I wanted to do a 'simple' job I wouldn't be gong to uni. I don't want to be a shop worker or have a generic office admin job. So I'm going to uni.

Also, I wanna go for the social life and the fact its an oppurtunity to be out of the house etc
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^ What Daytripper said. But a University education is not for everyone, some people are better off doing other things that they're good at. I dislike this system of pidgeonholing people into academics.
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yes, colleges do push you towards going to university. it motivates you towards better grades, and to them, better grades usually mean more money.

to be honest i think its a good thing. many people, without a push would never be motivated enough to go to uni, but most people love their time there, and come out with a higher paying job than if they had not gone.
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#11
Yeah, but uni is fun, and you meet people and use it as a stepping stone into the world of employment. So why the hell not?
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Yeah I've thought the same thing for a while, people in sixth-form are really pushed into uni, whether they want to or not.

I want to go and always have but some less academically able people are being forced to write personal statements and fill in UCAS forms and it's just expected of them which I feel is wrong.

I'm not saying don't let thick people in, I just think people should be given all the options instead of being forced into uni by schools/tutors.

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As well as the opposite...


I'm sorry, how many times have you heard the "life of luxury" thing? Once? Oh yeah, everyone is pushing you to that.

I'm really sorry your teachers want you to go to university, get a better education and have a better chance of getting a job. I mean, what are they thinking?


You still have freedom of choice you dolt even if someone suggests you should go to a university.


More like an excellent demonstration of rationalising why one should not be going to a university.

this post sums it up
#14
well if you dont go to uni you are missing out.

i started in sept. didnt really think at the start it was for me, but once i started the course and just met loadsa people and go out.

you'll meet loadsa people and have so much fun so just go for it.
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Yeah I've thought the same thing for a while, people in sixth-form are really pushed into uni, whether they want to or not.

I want to go and always have but some less academically able people are being forced to write personal statements and fill in UCAS forms and it's just expected of them which I feel is wrong.

I'm not saying don't let thick people in, I just think people should be given all the options instead of being forced into uni by schools/tutors.


Absolutely.
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yes, colleges do push you towards going to university. it motivates you towards better grades, and to them, better grades usually mean more money.

to be honest i think its a good thing. many people, without a push would never be motivated enough to go to uni, but most people love their time there, and come out with a higher paying job than if they had not gone.


Fair point, i do understand all the comments and appreciate them.

But still you cant just wipe me out by saying that they're advice is purely good advice, they're encouraged to push towards university, not necesserily for the good of you. Its also a ploy for the college to say such a many percent go to university as a selling point of they're college.
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Quote by Mr. La Fritz
Yeah I've thought the same thing for a while, people in sixth-form are really pushed into uni, whether they want to or not.

I want to go and always have but some less academically able people are being forced to write personal statements and fill in UCAS forms and it's just expected of them which I feel is wrong.

I'm not saying don't let thick people in, I just think people should be given all the options instead of being forced into uni by schools/tutors.


I totally agree, the UCAS site is really badly designed aswel :P

I mean people who are aces at maths, but horrible at english - such as writing the statement - its a real hardship for them. Simply because theyve never been good at english, its a shame how that could be there downfall.
#19
I see your point. However, I went to university because I wanted to drink with my friends every night and sleep long hours. Greatest decision ever.

Plus I studied music technology....no regrets at all.
#20
I'm just going to uni to expand my knowledge and for the experience of it to be honest.
The second I get out of there I am moving to Holland and opening a coffee shop...

But I sort of see what you are talking about with people being pressured into applying for uni. I know someone who is sure he doesn't want to go to uni but my college keeps pressuring him about UCAS and his personal statement.
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some people, like myself, enjoy learning
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#22
However, over-subscription to Universities bites itself in the arse. Look at the entry requirements for medicine in the UK, they're pretty ridiculous. And I'm speaking with regards to their own admissions criteria just a few years ago, not to some other C grade degree.
#23
In the future it'll be: Apprenticeship >> College (specific course/training) >> University
#24
I wouldn´t focus too much on the fact that you are being pushed by society (as you have been since you were old enough to speak). Just think of the amount of knowledge you'll gain by attending school, the thing's you'll learn that you would have never thought of on your own. This was the primary purpose of schooling in the first place.
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#26
Don't go if it isn't right for you, because you will be in debt and have wasted several years of your life.

I could go to a number of universities, I'm a smart person, but it would be a waste of my time, so I'm not going, even though my teachers/family want me to. It is my life after all.
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#27
What happened to freedom or choice - when did all this pressure come to ahead?


When you started letting it. It's your choice.

I'm biased because I had the absolute time of my life at uni. I found a course that I enjoyed, got involved in everything I could and spent three years wishing I could never leave. But I know a lot of people who didn't enjoy it for any number of reasons, so it's not for everyone.

The moral of the story is man up and make your own decision about going or not.
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some people, like myself, enjoy learning


Lol - im not saying i dont enjoy learning, and regardless university offers a different type of learning.

Its the princible that im questioning.
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some people, like myself, enjoy learning


That's not really the point.

Just talking about how in the UK 16/17 year olds are pretty much forced to apply to universities and if they don't want to it's a massive shock to tutors and peers and eventually they are pressured into it.

I'm looking forward to uni next year though

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When you started letting it. It's your choice.

I'm biased because I had the absolute time of my life at uni. I found a course that I enjoyed, got involved in everything I could and spent three years wishing I could never leave. But I know a lot of people who didn't enjoy it for any number of reasons, so it's not for everyone.

The moral of the story is man up and make your own decision about going or not.


I did say im going regardless of my doubts, studying english literature :P

I can understand how some love it, and others hate it, im just dubious of what im actually going to get from it in a real life perspective, if its actually worth it.
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Just talking about how in the UK 16/17 year olds are pretty much forced to apply to universities


That's cr@p. I've never heard of anyone being 'forced' to go to uni. Or do these people not know how to say the words 'I've decided it's not for me'?
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That's cr@p. I've never heard of anyone being 'forced' to go to uni. Or do these people not know how to say the words 'I've decided it's not for me'?


We dont mean it like that, since early year 11 they've planted the seeds for university, so it starts off as a whisper then towards the end of college it becomes a shout :P

Its not so much forced, its more like cunning than that, they try to persuade its the right thing for you - i think thats what angers me most, they there just pushing an ideal on you, then when you decide its not for you, they turn nasty to make reconcile.
#35
For a lot of jobs markets, a university degree is apparently now equivalent to what a high school degree once was, so it's very difficult to get into these without a uni degree.

That being said, there's plenty of other options, like tradeschools, that offer an entirely different learning experience that can net you a decent salary.
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However, over-subscription to Universities bites itself in the arse. Look at the entry requirements for medicine in the UK, they're pretty ridiculous. And I'm speaking with regards to their own admissions criteria just a few years ago, not to some other C grade degree.


medicine has always had a very ridiculous entry level.

my step sister went and did medicine like 7-8 years ago and even then needed AAB to get in.

but there is one uni i know of which has lower grades for medicine and its london met cos they do like a foundation thing with it too.
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#38
depends on what you want to do. if its nuclear physics, i'd say a degree is pretty damn important.

and skilled labor jobs are really good to have a degree in.

However, i want to play music, and i plan to cook as my backup, which is something i'm already doing.
#39
University education for the sake of a university education is mostly pointless.

By University level, the skills you begin to learn are those directly related to your profession, and it is NOT meant to be a general education. It's about specialisation, so why specialise in something you don't want to do.

My parents, and my grandparents, and THEIR parents and grandparents are all academics. But the only advice they gave me - and it was damn good advice too:

"Be whoever you want to be. Do anything you want to do. But do it WELL. Achieve excellence in your field, whatever field that may be, from doctor to dustmen. There is no shame in any profession as long as you do it well. Well apart from prostitutes. But if you become one, we'll disown you. And above all, make sure that you can do something and stick at it, because you'll be doing it for the next 40 years of your life."
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they turn nasty to make reconcile.


Nasty how? I had no intention of going to uni when I was 16, nobody told me I was making the wrong decision. I decided against uni and then changed my mind for my own reasons.

I can understand how some love it, and others hate it, im just dubious of what im actually going to get from it in a real life perspective, if its actually worth it.


If you want to get the most out of uni then grab it by the balls and get involved in stuff. Go out with people, join a society, hang out in the SU bar chatting to randoms, stuff like that. Your course is going to be the least important part of the learning experience.
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