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it doesn't work.



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What health care?
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#9
No, most people get their health care from private insurance.

A small percentage of people receive health care from woefully inadequate and underfunded government initiatives known as medicare and medicaid.
#10
no, you get your own healthcare either independently or from your employer. you either pay for it or if you are lucky, your employer provides it...

EDIT: if you are young enough poor enough or old enough you get it from the government
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private insurance, the US has signifcantly lower taxes then us to to this, but individuals also have to pay for their own health care among other things
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A small percentage of people receive health care from woefully inadequate and underfunded government initiatives known as medicare and medicaid.


I'm on medicaid, it's actually a lot better than most private insuance, I get approved for everything and have very low copays, medicare on the other hand has an assload of problems.
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I'm on medicaid, it's actually a lot better than most private insuance, I get approved for everything and have very low copays, medicare on the other hand has an assload of problems.


Yeah man, Medicaid works pretty great. I've only used mine for minor problems (rashes, infections, etc.) so I don't know how it holds up against surgery or something major.

As long as you're not chronically ill, Medicaid is awesome.
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Yeah man, Medicaid works pretty great. I've only used mine for minor problems (rashes, infections, etc.) so I don't know how it holds up against surgery or something major.

As long as you're not chronically ill, Medicaid is awesome.


Works well for that too, except a lot of times half the surgeons won't accept it so you have to find one that will that may not be your first choice, but it'll cover it.
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I'm honestly very disappointed in it, and its hilarious how I asked someone who works in the medical field about it and they said that half the industry would leave if they didn't pay as good as they do. In most developed nations a Universal Healthcare System works fine and I'm guessing everyone makes decent money to live comfortably. This is coming from someone who has insurance, but I feel bad for the number of people who can't receive treatment or receive treatment very seldomly because they can't either afford health insurance or aren't eligible for Medicaid/Medicare.

One story that's always pissed me off is when Jane Schuldiner wrote that "Hospitals were reluctant to treat Chuck because he couldn't pay up-front" That pissed me off to the point where I was bummed out, and I almost cried when I saw that. That's bullshit, every other industrialized nation has one, some with even more population than the U.S and they still have a better healthcare system than us. Its complete and utter bullshit, I'd rather pay out of my own pocket when I pay taxes for a Universal Healthcare System to be honest. It just works so much better...but sadly it all comes down to money...anything, whether it be insurance or workforce...its always about the money.
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prepare to be ****ed by the long dick of john mccain who supposedly wants to tax health benifits........


i dont even know how they can do that
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the sad thing is, most people pay more for private insurance than they would in taxes for universal healthcare.
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the sad thing is, most people pay more for private insurance than they would in taxes for universal healthcare.


Yup, I lived in Cuba and we had one, now granted everything in the island is pretty much ****ed, Cuba's healthcare system was last time I checked, still amazing, and its a UHCS, now take into account that Cuba is not a developed nation due to the embargo...but their healthcare system kicks ass period.
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The thing alot of people don't understand about universal healthcare is that their private health insurance companies will still exist, so they can still take out private health care insurance.
Unfortunately, this makes it so inconvenient for them to argue against universal health care, so they tend to overlook it.
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The thing alot of people don't understand about universal healthcare is that their private health insurance companies will still exist, so they can still take out private health care insurance.
Unfortunately, this makes it so inconvenient for them to argue against universal health care, so they tend to overlook it.



Other than the fact that I am still get taxed for other peoples use of Universal Healthcare.
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Other than the fact that I am still get taxed for other peoples use of Universal Healthcare.


You do realize that private insurance works exactly the same way right? Actually, with private healthcare, not only are you paying for other people but you are paying for a bunch of corporate assholes to play golf 4 days a week.
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No money in canada just have a health card and its all taken care of. Im not sure if we have higher taxes than the United States though.
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universal healthcare is not good, it kills the how much doctors make (which they deserve every penny having to go to school for like 12 years, and owing like 200,000 in school loans) alot of other stuff is not good for it either, alot of people from other countries that use universal healthcare come to the united states for major things because with universal healthcare things have to be approved, and the approving could take a long time, sometimes to long for someone to wait.(someone that needs say open heart surgery)
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No money in canada just have a health card and its all taken care of. Im not sure if we have higher taxes than the United States though.


I've been meaning to ask a Canadian about this, but how fast do you get treated in Canada?

EDIT: SunDrop, what country do you live in that you have to get your healthcare approved? That I've only heard happens with insurance companies, never with a Universal Healthcare System.
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universal healthcare is not good, it kills the how much doctors make (which they deserve every penny having to go to school for like 12 years, and owing like 200,000 in school loans) alot of other stuff is not good for it either, alot of people from other countries that use universal healthcare come to the united states for major things because with universal healthcare things have to be approved, and the approving could take a long time, sometimes to long for someone to wait.(someone that needs say open heart surgery)


Actually, a lot of people in the US go to other countries for major things, because the doctors here want rediculous amounts of money that noone can afford, and health insurance companies have to approve things too, and it can take a long ass time, plus you are more likely to be denied.
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Actually, a lot of people in the US go to other countries for major things, because the doctors here want rediculous amounts of money that noone can afford, and health insurance companies have to approve things too, and it can take a long ass time, plus you are more likely to be denied.


Yeah pretty much, I know a lot of people who to Colombia every year and get dental things done there for MUCH, MUCH cheaper than it would be here. Even my own relatives who go to Cuba for their dental stuff will get it done, either cheaper or for free.
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universal healthcare is not good, it kills the how much doctors make (which they deserve every penny having to go to school for like 12 years, and owing like 200,000 in school loans) alot of other stuff is not good for it either, alot of people from other countries that use universal healthcare come to the united states for major things because with universal healthcare things have to be approved, and the approving could take a long time, sometimes to long for someone to wait.(someone that needs say open heart surgery)
It kills me how much crap is in this post.

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=553

Compare that to what you're doctors make. I checked, compares well. Also, in our education system, nobody owes that much, even if they go to the best universities in the country.

People go to the USA for luxury and cosmetic surgery which isn't catered for through universal healthcare and may be cheaper abroad.

Few, if any people are going abroad for necessary or life saving medical treatment.

Approved? Of course things need to be approved. THEY ALWAYS NEED TO BE APPROVED IN ANY MEDICAL SYSTEM. It's called diagnosis.

And waiting lists are compiled by need. So if you need open heart surgery you will get it.

If you need a corn removed from your foot you might wait awhile.
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You do realize that private insurance works exactly the same way right? Actually, with private healthcare, not only are you paying for other people but you are paying for a bunch of corporate assholes to play golf 4 days a week.



Ya think?
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Ya think?


Yeah... the point is, I've never heard a reasonable argument against universal healthcare.
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Yeah... the point is, I've never heard a reasonable argument against universal healthcare.



I'd rather pay a bunch of corprate assholes than pay a bunch of lying politicians who apparently don't know how to handle money.

Rich people don't bother me. I'm glad we have the opportunity in the US.
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Other than the fact that I am still get taxed for other peoples use of Universal Healthcare.


Other than the fact that your taxes do not change, they're just spent differently. As in, you're being taxed anyway, except your government is using it to help its citizens. God forbid your cash could be spent productively for once.

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I'd rather pay a bunch of corprate assholes than pay a bunch of lying politicians who apparently don't know how to handle money.

Rich people don't bother me. I'm glad we have the opportunity in the US.


But the politicians don't get the record paychecks to line their back pockets with. It is also more productive for the economy. Oh, and it doesn't effect the price of your private health care insurance, seeing as there will be just as many people with private health care insurance.
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It may change depending on which potential president gets elected. Let me just say this...


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Other than the fact that your taxes do not change, they're just spent differently. As in, you're being taxed anyway, except your government is using it to help its citizens. God forbid your cash could be spent productively for once.


But the politicians don't get the record paychecks to line their back pockets with. It is also more productive for the economy. Oh, and it doesn't effect the price of your private health care insurance, seeing as there will be just as many people with private health care insurance.



I could turn into a lazy asshole EASILY and cash in on your tax dollars...

A program as large as Universal Healthcare would require an increase in taxes.
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I could turn into a lazy asshole EASILY and cash in on your tax dollars...

A program as large as Universal Healthcare would require an increase in taxes.


Even if it did your taxes wouldn't increase very much, even though not even half the population filed taxes last year if I'm not mistaken. You just dont want to pay taxes. As Ron Paul would put it (a registered Republican mind you) "The government needs its taxes to run, without taxes this government would fail" or something along those lines. You're coming off as 1/2 of the population here in the U.S who doesn't want to pay taxes, the other half being the ones who want to be babied by the government.

That's why everyone's enamored with the words "tax cuts". I personally think its ****ing disgusting, pay your ****ing taxes and help your economy out instead of bitching about having to pay higher taxes and how much it sucks, if you vote for any of these 2 idiots running for office you're screwing yourself period.
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I could turn into a lazy asshole EASILY and cash in on your tax dollars...

A program as large as Universal Healthcare would require an increase in taxes.


Oh please Do you think people working minimum wage want to? Do you think they simply don't try for a better life? Or did you grow up with a fake image of reality, where everyone goes and gets a job and earns 50k a year? The fact that you'd rather have people suffer because they are too poor to get care than have your tax dollars help these people is disgusting in itself.

America had a 2.7 trillion dollar budget in 2007. If you look at Obama's proposed plans, you would see that there is, in fact, no need to increase taxes.
A program as large as Universal Healthcare would require an increase in taxes with a Republican president with their current policies.
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Even if it did your taxes wouldn't increase very much, even though not even half the population filed taxes last year if I'm not mistaken. You just dont want to pay taxes. As Ron Paul would put it (a registered Republican mind you) "The government needs its taxes to run, without taxes this government would fail" or something along those lines. You're coming off as 1/2 of the population here in the U.S who doesn't want to pay taxes, the other half being the ones who want to be babied by the government.

That's why everyone's enamored with the words "tax cuts". I personally think its ****ing disgusting, pay your ****ing taxes and help your economy out instead of bitching about having to pay higher taxes and how much it sucks, if you vote for any of these 2 idiots running for office you're screwing yourself period.


Who do you think you are? I pay my taxes and I pay A LOT of taxes. I've put my self in debt just trying to pay taxes. And paying taxes doesn't help the eceonomy at all when even small and large buisnesses are paying ridiculously high taxes.

I'm ok with taxes, ecspecially when it goes towards defense, but the current tax system is just beyond ridiculous.
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Oh please Do you think people working minimum wage want to? Do you think they simply don't try for a better life? Or did you grow up with a fake image of reality, where everyone goes and gets a job and earns 50k a year? The fact that you'd rather have people suffer because they are too poor to get care than have your tax dollars help these people is disgusting in itself.

America had a 2.7 trillion dollar budget in 2007. If you look at Obama's proposed plans, you would see that there is, in fact, no need to increase taxes.
A program as large as Universal Healthcare would require an increase in taxes with a Republican president with their current policies.


Oh please, and you are going to tell me there aren't people currently abusing the welfare system?

I'm ok with helping who NEED help, but we don't need Universal Health care.
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Who do you think you are? I pay my taxes and I pay A LOT of taxes. I've put my self in debt just trying to pay taxes. And paying taxes doesn't help the eceonomy at all when even small and large buisnesses are paying rediculously high taxes.

I'm ok with taxes, ecspecially when it goes towards defense, but the current tax system is just beyond rediculous.


Who do I think I am? I'm a person who earns most likely less than you and still pays my taxes. Of course its not helping now because the idiot Bush administration is spending our tax money on "defense" which is bullshit because we haven't had an Al Qaeda episode since 9/11. They put us in un-necesary fear, send a few tapes and bam! We're up to our asses in debt and the tax money that's supposed to go to our internal affairs goes to that. and I think that common sense would dictate by now that were fighting an enemy who doesn't give a shit, period. If you support the war at this point most people with common sense will laugh at you, I support the troops in the sense that they have to come back home safe, and soon. Were not fighting a Clausewitzian type war here
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^ While you're talking about Bush's budget, they spend almost $600 billion of defence annually. Over 20% of Government spending.

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Oh please, and you are going to tell me there aren't people currently abusing the welfare system?

I'm ok with helping who NEED help, but we don't need Universal Health care.


Did I say there were people who weren't abusing the welfare system? No, I didn't. Hell, I didn't even mention it, I fail to see how it's even relevant. While we're bring up random topics, i'll just bring up the abuse of the fat cats running insurance companies who raise the cost of private healthcare to get a bigger paycheck. Oh, wait, that is relevant.
Now, let me just get this straight. You're ok helping people who need help, but you aren't ok providing cheap, decent healthcare for people who can't afford to pay thousands of dollars for private health insurance? Makes perfect sense
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Who do I think I am? I'm a person who earns most likely less than you and still pays my taxes. Of course its not helping now because the idiot Bush administration is spending our tax money on "defense" which is bullshit because we haven't had an Al Qaeda episode since 9/11. They put us in un-necesary fear, send a few tapes and bam! We're up to our asses in debt and the tax money that's supposed to go to our internal affairs goes to that. and I think that common sense would dictate by now that were fighting an enemy who doesn't give a shit, period. If you support the war at this point most people with common sense will laugh at you, I support the troops in the sense that they have to come back home safe, and soon. Were not fighting a Clausewitzian type war here



Yeah, defense is bullshit. Why do we need to spend money on our military, we don't need our troops to have tanks or weapons or anything like that. Stupid idiot lying liars like the bush admin just keep lying to us with all of there lies.

But I support our troops!


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