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6l6's are going to give a rounder, fatter tone, pronounced in the low end

el34's are brighter, almost chimey, pronounced in the upper mid range and treble frequencies
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EL34s are middy and british, 6l6s have more bottom end and chime and are more American sounding. In the end the amp decides how everything sounds, the tubes just play a part.
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Thanks! I'm getting a Bugera 6262 head and I'm changing the tubes as soon as I get it. I mainly play death metal (Death, Morbid Angel, Opeth, Decapitation, Obituary, etc.). Which of these do you think will be best for me (or will either work for death metal)?
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6l6's are going to give a rounder, fatter tone, pronounced in the low end

el34's are brighter, almost chimey, pronounced in the upper mid range and treble frequencies


I would actually say they're the opposite of that. It's just the british build (orange, marshall) that gives them that bright middy tone.

In amps where you are able to interchange the tubes you can hear what I'm saying. I added EL34's to add more roundness and lower mids to my Mark IV. Same thing with the roadking, you can make it thicker by adding the EL-34's.
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Thanks! I'm getting a Bugera 6262 head and I'm changing the tubes as soon as I get it.

Why?

Bugeras come with better tubes than amps 3-4 times their price.
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I'm pretty sure Bugera's come with "bugera" tubes. And they are responsible for the majority of the "faulty amp" claims.
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EL34s are middy and british, 6l6s have more bottom end and chime and are more American sounding. In the end the amp decides how everything sounds, the tubes just play a part.


Exactly. My amp runs on EL34s and it is pretty dark and bassy.
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I'm pretty sure Bugera's come with "bugera" tubes. And they are responsible for the majority of the "faulty amp" claims.

Bugeras come with TAD power tubes and Shuguang preamp tubes.
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Exactly. My amp runs on EL34s and it is pretty dark and bassy.
x2. My amp has EL34's and its' darker and thicker sounding than my friends Triple Rec. loaded with 6L6's.

I find the consistant difference between the two is more about feel, than tone.
6L6's seem to be more forgiving and relaxed, while EL34's are less forgiving, very abrupt and in your face.
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Bugeras come with TAD power tubes and Shuguang preamp tubes.


which are not that great at all. ...Bugera power tubes dont come biased properly mine was off a good bit. the preamp tubes are not that bad, decent if anything.

but they are better then the stock tubes that come in the VK IMO....like i said IMO
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which are not that great at all. ...Bugera power tubes dont come biased properly mine was off a good bit. the preamp tubes are not that bad, decent if anything.

but they are better then the stock tubes that come in the VK IMO....like i said IMO

TAD power tubes are some of the best on the market, as are Shuguang, even though they're cheap. I have Shuguangs in my Nitro and had them in my Mark IV, they sound much better than any JJ, Tung-Sol, etc. I've used.

Just because the bias is off, doesn't mean the tubes suck.
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TAD tubes are effing sweet. i dont know what your smoking.
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its all a matter of opinion guys. we all like what we like.

well the tone of the stock tubes in the amp didnt sound that great at all to me
Sounds alot better and tighter with a tube swap..imo.

i like the JJ tubes you like TAD tubes. its whatever sounds better to you, not which tubes someelse says is better.
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Bugeras come with TAD power tubes and Shuguang preamp tubes.


then why doesnt the tubes say they are TAD and Shuguang tubes in the amp? mine sure dont say TAD. Bugera are all they say. and they look nothing like the TAD tubes at a glance

from what the guys at Bugera said they are bascially rebranded Sovteks that they test in there factory before putting them into there amps
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TAD power tubes are some of the best on the market, as are Shuguang, even though they're cheap. I have Shuguangs in my Nitro and had them in my Mark IV, they sound much better than any JJ, Tung-Sol, etc. I've used.

Just because the bias is off, doesn't mean the tubes suck.

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yeah I just bought a 333xl and im lookin to switch out the tubes for more bottom end.
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Quote by AndyRevenge
then why doesnt the tubes say they are TAD and Shuguang tubes in the amp? mine sure dont say TAD. Bugera are all they say. and they look nothing like the TAD tubes at a glance

from what the guys at Bugera said they are bascially rebranded Sovteks that they test in there factory before putting them into there amps
I read that too. Something about Bugera only allowing for a 5% success rate? Meaning through tests, 95% of the tubes don't pass quality control? Again, this is what I read on a Bugera ad.
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I read that too. Something about Bugera only allowing for a 5% success rate? Meaning through tests, 95% of the tubes don't pass quality control? Again, this is what I read on a Bugera ad.



thats true actually, cause of the quailty of the tubes they use
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Agreed.

TADs sound TERRIBLE.
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I believe that high gain preamp based amps are less reliant on which poweramp tubes they use than lower gain amps relying on poweramp overdrive. IMO, different tubes are made to break up differently. Although there are some tonal differences while running clean.
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so lets say i want to have a staind, or the new godsmack tone. what tubes should I put in my 333xl?
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so lets say i want to have a staind, or the new godsmack tone. what tubes should I put in my 333xl?


6l6?
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bugera already comes with those. what kind?
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Bugera already comes with those.
Well keep them.

Edit: The 333xl actually has el34's stock, apparently.
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To the people saying TAD's sound terrible, keep in mind different tubes compliment different amps.

I've heard TONS of praise for TAD's in darker amps.
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To the people saying TAD's sound terrible, keep in mind different tubes compliment different amps.

I've heard TONS of praise for TAD's in darker amps.

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from what the guy at Bugera just told me:

I have seen Bugeras leave stock with both Chinese and Russian tubes. From what I have seen about 90% of the time they seem to ship with Russian tubes. Like most large manufactures my guess is that we go with the cheapest bidder at any give time
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there's nothing wrong with TAD or Shuguang tubes. If there is, you guys better tell Peter Diezel and Reinhold Bogner that they're doing it wrong, since both have used those tubes in their amps stock.
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i really dont find anything wrong with them at all, just not my cup of tea so to speak. i perfer the JJ tubes.

bit its all about what tone and range you are looking for.

i was jusyt saying that i do not think that Bugera puts them stock in there amps, my 6262 sure as hell didnt have them in there. they were some cheap chinese stuff in there
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i really dont find anything wrong with them at all, just not my cup of tea so to speak. i perfer the JJ tubes.

bit its all about what tone and range you are looking for.

i was jusyt saying that i do not think that Bugera puts them stock in there amps, my 6262 sure as hell didnt have them in there. they were some cheap chinese stuff in there

yeah, I can't comment on the Bugera, because i have no experience with them. As far as Chinese tubes though, China is rapidly hitting their stride in production capabilities, and imo outpacing the Russian plants in quality control at this point. TAD, Ruby, and Penta are all out of China. Ruby and Penta are both out of the Shuguang factory, just select versions of the regular unlabeled Shugs, tested and relabeled. Not sure where the TAD are produced. I've gone thru a ton of different tubes from all makers this year testing them with different amps. I haven't lost a single Chinese tube, where I've had 4 new Russian tubes from different makers just up and die. 2 Tungsol 12AX7, 1 JJKT77, and 1 JJ 12AX7 all died on me within a month after getting them new. Actually, I had one JJ 12AX7 that was dead out of the box, the other died an early death in a Quick Rod.
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I would actually say they're the opposite of that. It's just the british build (orange, marshall) that gives them that bright middy tone.

In amps where you are able to interchange the tubes you can hear what I'm saying. I added EL34's to add more roundness and lower mids to my Mark IV. Same thing with the roadking, you can make it thicker by adding the EL-34's.



What? Road kings come equipped with 4 6L6's and 2 EL34's.
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yeah, I can't comment on the Bugera, because i have no experience with them. As far as Chinese tubes though, China is rapidly hitting their stride in production capabilities, and imo outpacing the Russian plants in quality control at this point. TAD, Ruby, and Penta are all out of China. Ruby and Penta are both out of the Shuguang factory, just select versions of the regular unlabeled Shugs, tested and relabeled. Not sure where the TAD are produced. I've gone thru a ton of different tubes from all makers this year testing them with different amps. I haven't lost a single Chinese tube, where I've had 4 new Russian tubes from different makers just up and die. 2 Tungsol 12AX7, 1 JJKT77, and 1 JJ 12AX7 all died on me within a month after getting them new. Actually, I had one JJ 12AX7 that was dead out of the box, the other died an early death in a Quick Rod.



i here what you are saying man.
i have used a good number of dif brands as well in my amps and found that JJs and some Mullards work best for me. never had a prob with the JJs though, and never really with the Chinese either. just like the JJs a bit better. no biggie

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i here what you are saying man.
i have used a good number of dif brands as well in my amps and found that JJs and some Mullards work best for me. never had a prob with the JJs though, and never really with the Chinese either. just like the JJs a bit better. no biggie


yeah, I understand what you are saying too. I like JJ in certain amps, they seem like a darker tube to me, a little smoother sounding, so they work well if you're trying to counteract something imo. I think everything is down to the specific amp, like was mentioned before. I've had a bear of a time with JJ's this year for some reason though, not sure if I've just been unlucky.

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What? Road kings come equipped with 4 6L6's and 2 EL34's.



this is true. the roadking comes stock with 4 6L6s and 2 EL34s
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this is true. the roadking comes stock with 4 6L6s and 2 EL34s

MESAExplorer has a Series 1, maybe they didn't come with them then?
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Uhm no, you can assign the tubes to specific channels, if you add EL34's to the blend then it makes it darker. Can't believe you guys didn't understand what I meant...
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Uhm no, you can assign the tubes to specific channels, if you add EL34's to the blend then it makes it darker. Can't believe you guys didn't understand what I meant...

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