#1
The Windsor is rated 120 watts (not really sure why...). Am I right in thinking the speaker rating has to be over 120 watts to play safely? I.e. the Windsor is designed to be played through a 4x12?
#2
You'll need at least 120 watts power handling, though that doesn't mean you need a 4x12. Most 2x12's could handle that power and also some 1x12's, all depends on the type of sound you want though. Also be sure to match up the ohm's when connecting.
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#3
You can run it through a 1x12 if you want as long as the speaker can handle 120W. I believe each speaker in my 2x12 is rated at 160W.
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#4
The Windsor is 100W. Or else my 2x12 would be toast by now.
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#5
Yeah, it was originally going to be 120W, but they dropped it down to 100W when it came out. That incorrect wattage is still bouncing around a lot though.
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#6
I apologise for the late reply.

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Yeah, it was originally going to be 120W, but they dropped it down to 100W when it came out. That incorrect wattage is still bouncing around a lot though.


Is this true? I just presumed it was a 120 as I saw it on the GAK website...

Are there many nicely voiced 100watt-rated speakers? Basically, I like the idea of playing it through a 1x12 cabinet as a "lead" amp, using my VK as a "Rhythm" amp (with the use of a A/B switch). Any suggestions on a good, high-rated speaker for a lead sound such as those of 80's metal outfits (i.e. Maiden).
#7
My windsor is 100watts. It's not bad through 1x12, but i'm runnng mine 2x10's. Like it alot better.
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Is this true? I just presumed it was a 120 as I saw it on the GAK website...

Are there many nicely voiced 100watt-rated speakers? Basically, I like the idea of playing it through a 1x12 cabinet as a "lead" amp, using my VK as a "Rhythm" amp (with the use of a A/B switch). Any suggestions on a good, high-rated speaker for a lead sound such as those of 80's metal outfits (i.e. Maiden).


Yes, it is true. I own a Windsor and followed it from the press announcement to the day it came out, because I couldn't believe someone was going to try to beat Marshall at their own game for 1/4 the price. Then I played it alongside the Marshalls and started believing.

However, you cannot have a 100 watt-rated 1x12 for a 100-watt head. Well, you can, but you risk blowing the speaker and you can blow the amp as well--the amp is rated to put out 100W, but it can actually push more than that with low resistance and high peaks, and some amps (especially older Marshalls) are wired to put out power as soon as they are turned on, and when it has no place to go, it fries the amp. You should always err on the side of caution when it comes to power ratings--always have the head put out at least 1/2 as many watts as the cab so you don't toast your gear.

You should have at least a 2x10 or 2x12 with 100 watt ratings for each speaker, so they split the load going to them and prevent that. Or, get a combo amp or a much less-powerful head if you just want a 1x12 for that matter.
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Mesa black shadow - 100 watts

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isnt the black shadow rated at 90? i thought the model number was the C90? at least thats what i thought i read on the back of my F-50.
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Quote by BHowell
Yes, it is true. I own a Windsor and followed it from the press announcement to the day it came out, because I couldn't believe someone was going to try to beat Marshall at their own game for 1/4 the price. Then I played it alongside the Marshalls and started believing.

However, you cannot have a 100 watt-rated 1x12 for a 100-watt head. Well, you can, but you risk blowing the speaker and you can blow the amp as well--the amp is rated to put out 100W, but it can actually push more than that with low resistance and high peaks, and some amps (especially older Marshalls) are wired to put out power as soon as they are turned on, and when it has no place to go, it fries the amp. You should always err on the side of caution when it comes to power ratings--always have the head put out at least 1/2 as many watts as the cab so you don't toast your gear.

You should have at least a 2x10 or 2x12 with 100 watt ratings for each speaker, so they split the load going to them and prevent that. Or, get a combo amp or a much less-powerful head if you just want a 1x12 for that matter.


True amps put out more than they're clean wattage, also true, speakers can handle more than their rated wattage. A 100 watt cab (doesn't matter how you get there) with a 100 watt is perfectly fine.
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True amps put out more than they're clean wattage, also true, speakers can handle more than their rated wattage. A 100 watt cab (doesn't matter how you get there) with a 100 watt is perfectly fine.



This. You won't blow a speaker with a 100 watt head if the speaker has a 100 watt rating. Amp combos are put out ALL THE TIME with speakers just the right rating. Look at the JSX 2x12 for example, the speakers are both rated 60 watts and you dont see them blowing up..

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isnt the black shadow rated at 90? i thought the model number was the C90? at least thats what i thought i read on the back of my F-50.



I saw 100 watt black shadows in the back of a 2x12 recto cab at a store.. i dont know about f combos
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This. You won't blow a speaker with a 100 watt head if the speaker has a 100 watt rating. Amp combos are put out ALL THE TIME with speakers just the right rating. Look at the JSX 2x12 for example, the speakers are both rated 60 watts and you dont see them blowing up..


I saw 100 watt black shadows in the back of a 2x12 recto cab at a store.. i dont know about f combos


+1

Hell, vox sells ac30s with two 15 watt speakers and they're 33 watt amps.
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#15
^^^^Those are correct statements. Thanks for the corrections guys.

I will, however, stand by my statement that he should buy a combo rather than a Windsor and a 1x12 cabinet.
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#16
^Agreed, I'd go with a solid 2x12 or a different amp depending on what he wants. I think they make a windsor combo.
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#17
^ I've looked into the combo; I can only find a 15watt version, and Ideally I would like to be gigging with it. If I know Peavey, it will still have a shed load of volume, but I'm not sure 15 will be enough to out-shout my VK.

Basically, here is the setup I intend to run (Yes, I have too much time on my hands. Also, sorry for the big image):



I already have the VK and the cab (though it is still a combo at the moment as apposed to a 'head'), and if I bought the Windsor, I intend to make the cab as I did with the VK.
#18
Well, I can think of a few good options.

Number 1, you could get the combo since you're probably looking for a fair amount of powertube saturation so this will aid you in that. You should still have some money to swap speakers since the one it comes with will probably suck, much like all peaveys.

2, you could get the head, pull two powertubes and run at 50 watts into a 1x12 with a v30, seems like a good option

Or, get the head and run it into a 2x12.

If number one has enough volume (if you're micd it's plenty) then do that, otherwise number two is probably the cheapest solution.
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#19
The combo is a REALLY attractive price, I could get that much sooner than the head and a cab... but from listening to clips on Youtube, it just seems like the head has a much better sound in comparison, definitly for what I want it for anyway.

I'm gonna start me one of those amp fund things in my sig

I've estimated it will cost me £150 to make a cab. May be more, but still, its an estimate.
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#20
The Windsor combo isn't the same as the Windsor head. There was tons of hype here before it came out and then when it did, most everyone was disappointed.
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