#1
G12T-75 vs Vintage 30 Speakers..

G12T
Vintage 30

I'm replacing the speakers in my Valveking 212.. Which will sound the best / clear up the initial "muddiness"

thanks
-tj
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#2
V30's ftw imo.

really though, it's more or less what you think sounds better. it's a matter of opinion
#3
Depends on the sound you're going for. The low end on the G12T is amazing...it tends to be slightly scooped, but I like that character if you compensate for it on your EQ. Also, V30s might be a bit harsh and/or ice picky depending on your amp. (I've honestly never heard a VK in person so i haven o idea)
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#4
V30's will stop being ice pickish as they break in. Run some music through it and leave it on for a while or something.

If you want to clear muddiness, V30's definitely. They are the epitome of note definition and anti-muddiness. G12t-75's have a looser feeling and might not take away all the muddiness. Go for the v30
#5
V30's, the G12-75's are more british voiced, and you don't want to put british voiced speakers in an american voiced amp.

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#7
Quote by gtr_101
V30's, the G12-75's are more british voiced, and you don't want to put british voiced speakers in an american voiced amp.
You have a V30 in your Valveking. V30s are British voiced. Shut up.
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#8
Quote by gtr_101
V30's, the G12-75's are more british voiced, and you don't want to put british voiced speakers in an american voiced amp.

1. V30s are more British voiced
2. Why ever not?
3.

Don't get either, they're both overrated and the G12T is pretty poor.
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#9
I would probably do 1 of each
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#10
Quote by MrCarrot
You have a V30 in your Valveking. V30s are British voiced. Shut up.


First off, No need to be an A$$. I have a Veteran 30, and i like it. From my personal experience I don't like the G12-75'S in american voiced amps, my personal opinion, thats what this forum is personal opinion. Sorry for using the internet for its purpose.

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#11
Quote by JLT73
I would probably do 1 of each

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if your changing both speakers then why not go for the best of both worlds - then again they may not mix well together but as i have no personal experience i'll leave that for someone else to classify

also try looking at the warehouse speaker clones as they are apparently very close to their celestion counter parts for a much better price
#13
I'm trying to choose between those two speakers for a 2x12 cabinet myself. From what I gather the vintage 30s are more middy and the G12Ts are scooped.

Some people hate vintage 30s for their pronounced mids
Some people hate G12Ts for their scooped mids.

Meh, go with what you want.

Here is a bloke testing a valveking with a 2x12 vintage 30 cabinet though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7E0QZ8K5k
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#14
Quote by touji-za-nai
G12T-75 vs Vintage 30 Speakers..

G12T
Vintage 30

I'm replacing the speakers in my Valveking 212.. Which will sound the best / clear up the initial "muddiness"

thanks
-tj

what kinda music do you play?
#15
Quote by gtr_101
First off, No need to be an A$$. I have a Veteran 30, and i like it. From my personal experience I don't like the G12-75'S in american voiced amps, my personal opinion, thats what this forum is personal opinion. Sorry for using the internet for its purpose.

i don't think it possible for carrot not to be an a$$.
#16
I'd go for V30s if you want to clear up the low-end.

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i don't think it possible for carrot not to be an a$$ to people giving out stupid info.

agreed.
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i don't think it possible for carrot not to be an a$$.

He's British you idiot, it's 'arse'.
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#19
I would go for the V-30's, they really sound great through my VK for about anything. I would get Warehouse clones, though. Much cheaper and better IMO.
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If you play metal, the eminence man o war, is really nice too. gonna put one in my amp soon

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I play metal btw.
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#22
Do one of each just like the Bogner Ubercabs.
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#24
Quote by IbanezPsycho
Go with the Vintage 30's... I have both speakers and the G12T-75's sounds like ass through Peavey's.
Meh, I dig the sound of 6505/5150's through G12T-75's. They may not compliment XXX's, Ultra's, or VK's though.
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Quote by Van Noord
Meh, I dig the sound of 6505/5150's through G12T-75's. They may not compliment XXX's, Ultra's, or VK's though.

definitely preference, I don't dig those speakers either. Tried them with several different heads, and just don't care for them. Like them better live, but don't like them for recording much at all. Some kind of weird crunchy highend, little boomy on the lows, kind of scooped in the mids, blech. YMMV, obviously just different tastes.
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#26
Quote by Erock503
definitely preference, I don't dig those speakers either. Tried them with several different heads, and just don't care for them. Like them better live, but don't like them for recording much at all. Some kind of weird crunchy highend, little boomy on the lows, kind of scooped in the mids, blech. YMMV, obviously just different tastes.


Exactly the same experience I have with them... They also tend to over power any speaker you combo with them.
#27
Quote by touji-za-nai
I play metal btw.

look into the celestion g12k a speaker with a big bottom end and boosted mids. go to www.clestion.com and take a look.
#28
Quote by Horlicks
He's British you idiot, it's 'arse'.
And he's right anyway.

i'm not friggin BRITISH...........so it's A$$. and BTW it is possible to tell someone they're wrong without being an A$$. lol
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#29
Again, I'm gonna bring up Warehouse clones as an option. There Veteren 30's really do magic through a VK
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#31
Quote by gtr_101
First off, No need to be an A$$. I have a Veteran 30, and i like it. From my personal experience I don't like the G12-75'S in american voiced amps, my personal opinion, thats what this forum is personal opinion. Sorry for using the internet for its purpose.
The reason the G12T75 sounds bad in higain American amps is because it lacks mids and has a very clean voicing, more suited to the mid-heavy marshalls of the 80s to make them less hairy, and even then stuff such as greenbacks can be better. The G12T75 is more American than british voiced.

I wasn't attacking your opinion, I was attacking the fact that you were wrong.
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#32
Quote by mmjohn
i don't think it possible for carrot not to be an a$$.


I'm sorry I said Valve Juniors sound bad.

I'll think of all the random people on the internet I might offend who will consequently throw their dolly out of the pram before stating my valid opinion in future.
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#33
The only amps I've liked my 1960's G12T-75s through were my Mark IV (still sounded better with V30s), my Splawn Nitro (sounds best with these imo) and Marshall amps. Everything else I've tried sounded better with V30s, especially Peaveys.
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#34
Quote by mmjohn
i'm not friggin BRITISH...........so it's A$$. and BTW it is possible to tell someone they're wrong without being an A$$. lol


Just type ass. Reading things like that gives me a headache
#35
Quote by SG thrasher
The mids aren't boosted, it's a very balanced speaker, actually.

in the frequency chart it starts at 70 ends at 70 and is over 100 all thru the middle........that's a slightly boosted mid.
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#36
I took G12-75s over V30s for my ENGL-based setup. I didn't care for the highs much on the V30s, and the low end on the G12-75s are more to my liking. Very tight and controlled with the ENGL preamp. And when I boost the mids on the preamp and eq..it sounds more punchy and less harsh than they did with V30s.
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#37
Quote by kayman121
When I boost the mids on the preamp and eq..it sounds more punchy and less harsh than they did with V30s.
That's kind of why I like the 75's with a middy sounding amp, which I also prefer. An amp with a lot of natural mids can get out of hand fast with V30's, unless you keep can them in check.
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