#1
Hi, I have 2 songwriting problems:

1) I have a lot of trouble when writing lyrics, when ever I'm inspired, the song goes well until I lose inspiration and the whole thing sounds either stupid or too similar to an existing song and when I'm not inspired the lyrics are terrible, last time someone told me that my lyrics sound like a pokemon theme song.

Any tips on writing lyrics properly and making them fit the music?


2) When writing a song, does the song HAVE to have a certain structure? does there have to be a chorus, verses etc???

I'm new to writing entire songs, could you please give me a good tipical song structure??

Here's what I used so far:

Intro
Verses
Chorus
Verses
Chorus
Bridge/Solo
Chorus
Outro

-Is this Okay?

I hope you guys can help me out, thanks in advance.
#2
well I clicked this thread hoping someone else would have replied cause i like to read stuff like this because i have problems sometimes writing songs, or at least completely realizing the ideas that i have. The structure that you have there is a pretty typical arrangement for a song, and no it does not HAVE to be that way, but i think if you listen to a lot of music, especially pop music (not saying that condescendingly) even a lot of metal songs follow that structure.

I write a lot of story songs, and other kinds of songs too i guess, but usually what helps me come up with the song as a whole, is to "tell the story" (whether it really be a story or not) with the verses, use the chorus to tie it all together lyrically and provide the musical hook, and use the bridge to be the punchline. A lot of the songs i write are supposed to be funny so punchline is an accurate term for me, but if you are not trying to be funny, ya know use the bridge to be the climax of the song, because the musical texture probably changes and that catches peoples ear. So that is a good opportunity to really tell what the song is about.

Thats all ive got, hopefully some other people reply and chip in their $0.02
#3
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Hi, I have 2 songwriting problems:

1) I have a lot of trouble when writing lyrics, when ever I'm inspired, the song goes well until I lose inspiration and the whole thing sounds either stupid or too similar to an existing song and when I'm not inspired the lyrics are terrible, last time someone told me that my lyrics sound like a pokemon theme song.

Any tips on writing lyrics properly and making them fit the music?


It depends on how you want to write. If you want to write lyrics/melody and then music, you'll have a lot of trouble when you're starting out. LOTS of "musicians" can't do this because they don't know how to create chords with an existing melody and will just guess. However, if you know your theory and can sing decently enough to figure out the melody on the guitar, then this is the best way (in my opinion).

The other way (and the way that most people I know do it) is to write lyrics. Then mess around on the guitar and figure out chords or an idea, and then make the lyrics fit it. It can be annoying because a song won't sound the way it may have in your head but it's much easier.

With the lyrics thing, it means you're writing from an "inspired" place without any backing to it. It means you haven't planned your writing properly, trust me, I know the feeling, I do it all the time.

The best thing to do, is to imagine the thing your'e about to write about in your head, and then figure out situations which are similar, then write about them for the missing verses/choruses that you're missing.

Hope that helps

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2) When writing a song, does the song HAVE to have a certain structure? does there have to be a chorus, verses etc???

I'm new to writing entire songs, could you please give me a good tipical song structure??

Here's what I used so far:

Intro
Verses
Chorus
Verses
Chorus
Bridge/Solo
Chorus
Outro

-Is this Okay?

I hope you guys can help me out, thanks in advance.


Do you think Leonardo Da Vinci thought "What do I have to do?" when he drew the Mona Lisa? No, he thought "how can I do this without making everyone else go, 'oh look, another painting of a female... woo' with shit loads of sarcasm in their voice because one day a guy will use this as an explanation and you can't really explain sarcasm through text very well"

True story, I was there.

Back on track, dude, it's your ****ing song, if you want to change its rhyme scheme, its key (only if you know how, don't go getting in too deep just yet), it's time signature (again with the too deep thing).

It's your song, change it however you want, if you want to say "**** the government, i'm voting Palin" (haha, that idea is actually pretty funny, lol) and then talk about how much you love Obama, do it. It's your piece, it's not a preconceived idea of right and wrong but an idea that you manipulate to your will.

this is a metaphor that can work

"Socialising for the sake of socialising is the reason we have Dance/Electro Music",

Writing to the rules for the sake of writing to the rules is the reason we have Hawthorne Heights/Simple Plan and McFly... don't be that person.
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#4
thanks alot, that was very helpful, I did a job for Guns For Hire, I listened to a guy's singing and wrote the fitting guitar part so I guess I can do that, the problem is that my band and I have 4-5 songs that all need lyrics.

that was very helpful indeed, thank you, any other advice would be greatly apreciated
#5
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thanks alot, that was very helpful, I did a job for Guns For Hire, I listened to a guy's singing and wrote the fitting guitar part so I guess I can do that, the problem is that my band and I have 4-5 songs that all need lyrics.

that was very helpful indeed, thank you, any other advice would be greatly apreciated


I write lyrics and songs for bands in a few different towns in Australia and compose for Commercials and Documentaries so if you need help, just let me know.
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I write lyrics and songs for bands in a few different towns in Australia and compose for Commercials and Documentaries so if you need help, just let me know.


okay great, I can't thank you enough.
#8
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so is it better to write lyrics first, then chords, or vice versa

i have writing problems...damn writer's block


None is better. But if you're not writing melody lines first, it's ok.
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#9
hey, i'm not a musical genuis or anything but if it helps this works for me.
- on the first note, when your inspired don't try and write the whole song then and there before inspiration runs out, jott down any main ideas, melodies, lyrics and chords that come into your head then work on the technical stuff later. aswell if you struggle with lyrics, work towards something that might mean something to you, it helps keep you focused and inspired. it won't sound stupid if your writing from emotional or life experience. If you write down a couple of themes that you think would suit the music and then put in some key words, maybe certain rhymes if thats what you wanted to use.And i'd love to hear some of your lyrics and see how you get on.

On the second point play around with a few ideas, do it the way you think sounds good there doesn't need to be any particular structure. If there did then music would be boaring because it would sound too similar. Personally i think the stucture your using is fine but between different songs change it up, you'll soon find a style and structure to suit you. Go with your gut instinct on this one.

hope this helps
Lauren Lucas