Poll: Would you consider yourself patriotic?
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Yes
55 42%
No
77 58%
Voters: 132.
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#1
Would you consider yourself patriotic? I'm bored and I figured I would start a discussion. There are many different ideas of what patriotism is, so I'll use the dictionary definition:

Patriotism
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

I would say that I am not. I don't have a "love" for my country, really. I would defend it if we were not on the wrong side of a war, but that it is.
#2
I am patriotic, because I believe in what the founding fathers wanted to america to be. However, america is no longer abiding by those values.
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#7
No; I normally don't feel pride in things I have no control over. I didn't choose to be born here, I enjoy the freedoms that we have in this country, but I'll never be a overly nationalistic person.
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#8
I'm not even close to being called patriotic.
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#11
I have love for this land and for my friends. I believe in the sanctity of human life. Would I go to war to fight specifically for ideals I don't believe in? Absolutely not. Human life is worth so much more than my personal beliefs.
#12
Sure, in the sense that I want what's best for the country. But that's really out of practicality and functionality. If the country is doing well, I'd most likely be doing well too.

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#13
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I am patriotic, because I believe in what the founding fathers wanted to america to be. However, america is no longer abiding by those values.

+1

And, if that makes me upatriotic, then too ****in bad! So, stay off my damn case! As one the American flags said, "Don't Tread on Me". (Yes, that's also a Metallica song. But it came from one of the flags in the revolutionary war; look it up!) So, do it, dammit!
#14
I think I am quite patriotic, I suppose I have a certain connection with Britain, I'm pleased I live here, and I've been described as incredibly British on many occasions, but that's just how I am, not what I choose to be. Despite the flaws in the country, I'd still join the Army if it came under threat.

Oh yeah, Britain has also got the best crop of metal bands around, that is worth defending.
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#15
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I am patriotic, because I believe in what the founding fathers wanted to america to be. However, america is no longer abiding by those values.


Wait, why do the values of the founding fathers even matter today? There are multiple reasons those initial values are arguably unimportant in present day America.

First, the Constitution was written purposely vague and punted on many of the most important and fundamental issues contained therein because the framers recognized that they couldn't foresee the direction America would go and thought it best to leave those decisions to future generations. To name just a few items left vague: the definition of commerce among the several states in Art. I, § 8; whether the opening language of Art. I ("All legislative Powers herein granted") was meant to distinguish between the power granted to the legislature and that granted to the executive under the opening language of Art. II ("The executive Power shall be vested in a President..."); and a little issue called slavery.

Second, if the values initially embodied in the Constitution were meant to be binding and govern America over two centuries later, the amendment provisions found in Art. V would have been rendered superfluous. The recognition that amendment was a possibility--indeed a possibility that was so important that it was placed in the Constitution before the right to freedom of speech and expression, the right to bear arms, the right to protection from unreasonable search and seizure, etc.--demonstrates that the initial intent and values of the framers were not meant to constrain the American landscape for future generations should the masses find them unreasonable or unworkable.

But if you're just arguing that Bush sucks and has violated the Constitution, you're probably right.
#17
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I am patriotic, because I believe in what the founding fathers wanted to america to be. However, america is no longer abiding by those values.


That's how I am. I see how the founding fathers wanted it to be, but now it's just a capitalistic society torn by political parties and greed.
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#20
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I am patriotic, because I believe in what the founding fathers wanted to america to be. However, america is no longer abiding by those values.


Exactly, the constitution is not just a piece of paper. Say no to socialism, fascism, and world government.

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Are you serious? Of course the constitution was meant to be amended for future generations, that is one of the reasons it is great.

If the constitution was followed/enforced we would not be at war. We also would not have a private bank (the FED) controlling America's money, (one that has stated it wants world government). The FED loans "our" money to us. It controls interest rates making it impossible for the money you save to be worth anything when you take it out. It also creates "bubbles" and "bursts" them so that we are all worried about the economy, and then the government and the media brainwash everyone into believing that turning to socialistic ideas will save us. Socialism is the stepping stone to their world government.

Obama is gonna be the next FDR, but if you think McCain will be any better you are wrong. McCain is Bush and the Bush administration and congress have already socialized the banks with the bailout.
If you vote for someone as anti-American as either of these candidates maybe you don't deserve freedom...
I could go on and on but lets leave it there.

I consider myself patriotic because I care enough to HATE what is happening/has happened to America.
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#21
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That's how I am. I see how the founding fathers wanted it to be, but now it's just a capitalistic society torn by political parties and greed.

What exactly is the solution to capitalism? I honestly don't know of a better system.

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#22
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That's how I am. I see how the founding fathers wanted it to be, but now it's just a capitalistic society torn by political parties and greed.

Capitalism is not an evil thing.
#23
Like the Late George Carlin said, you can't be proud of something you didn't achieve, or something to that effect.
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#24
I'm patriotic. I'm proud of the USA, or at least the ideals behind it


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#25
Capitalism is not an evil thing.


no but consumerism is

true Smithsonian Capitalism is essentially good, but is unworkable- as if everyone did infact have an equal market share where could one make a profit? and if someone did that would only be taking money from another area of the economy

the so called invisible hand of the market only serves as to crush the poor
#26
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What exactly is the solution to capitalism? I honestly don't know of a better system.

Well, it's not really the system, it's people taking advantage of it and pricing things as to line their own pockets no matter how fair it may or may not be.
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#28
Patriotism is just a step away from nationalism. Nationalism makes people at best stupid, at worst dangerous. The idea that anyone would consider their country arbitrarily better than aother is simply laughable.
#29
I love the place I live but I hate the people in charge.
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#30
I voted yes, but I'm not really sure. To some people being patriotic means being obnoxious with flags and getting emotional at war stories and during the playing of the national anthem. To me it's just caring about my country and wanting the best for it.
#31
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Well, it's not really the system, it's people taking advantage of it and pricing things as to line their own pockets no matter how fair it may or may not be.

Yea, but then the root of your complaint is not in capitalism, it's in people. And people are inherently evil in this regards. I don't think there's any system that could block this out. In fact, I think capitalism is the most effective in minimizing this problem.

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#32
I don't know, I love America
but I hate the people living in it

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#34
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Yea, but then the root of your complaint is not in capitalism, it's in people. And people are inherently evil in this regards. I don't think there's any system that could block this out. In fact, I think capitalism is the most effective in minimizing this problem.


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#35
Not really. I guess I am somewhat proud of living in America, but I don't agree with most of the laws/policies/decisions made by the government. I am also very anti-war. I don't really care. No.
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#36
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Not really. I guess I am somewhat proud of living in America, but I don't agree with most of the laws/policies/decisions made by the government. I am also very anti-war. I don't really care. No.



the trick of the capitalists to de-politicize it's people!
#37
I support the ideals of the founding fathers, and I am patriotic in that I do all that I can to live according to them.

I am angry with America in general, but I am patriotic because I want to help it shape up.
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#39
Lots of times patriotism turns into nationalism, from what I've seen.
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#40
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Lots of times patriotism turns into nationalism, from what I've seen.



The deep south is a good example
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