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Is it possible to unify Science and Religion to one?
Science and Religion have both been described as systems for making valid ontological statements about the world, epistemologically, religions tend to rely on revealed ontology: either knowledge about the world that was divinely revealed or knowledge that is 'revealable' to anyone who pursues proper spiritual practices.
Science, by contrast, is pragmatic, relying on observable, repeatable experiences to justify its ontological claims. (copy pasta from Wikipedia)
These two views are completely in contrast with each other, but there can be a unification between both views.

Einstein believes in the unification with this sarcastic quote: "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

What are your beliefs? Is the unification possible?

(I think this should go apart from the religion thread and the science thread since this talks about it's unification whilst the other threads are separate arguments, if i'm wrong, delete thread)
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Scientology.

Or, Jesus was a raptor. That too.
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hahahaha simply... no

in my thoughts.... religion has been used in the past to explain the unexplainable...

now we have science to explain these things...

I don't think they can co-exist I think science is going to replace religion
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Or, Jesus was a raptor. That too.


That post made my day.

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I have the book but I've never read it, it talks about this topic?
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....creation VS evolution thread?
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Yes the unification is possible. Religious beliefs are no less provable than many scientific theories so why not?
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Untill we find out science is all just a psychologic twist on how things work; and that we really are plugged into the matrix.

But untill that time we have science and religion.

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That post made my day.


I have the book but I've never read it, it talks about this topic?


No it doesn't, lol. It's scientist vs. religion though.
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Yes the unification is possible. Religious beliefs are no less provable than many scientific theories so why not?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory#Science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_belief
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Yes the unification is possible. Religious beliefs are no less provable than many scientific theories so why not?


but science is trying to prove that which is unknown...

religion tells us to believe what a bunch of texts thousands of years old tells us is true.

there are too many conflicting issues for unification
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You know what else Einstein said:
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."
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No, it would be hard to unify both into a worldly religion/belief.
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Here's the thing. Science cannot, by its definition, make any value judgements. For example, someone can say, "Huh, I have $5". Science's correct response to that is, "This person holds the value of those pieces of material as $5. However, if these materials were in another form, they would hold little or no value to said person". See? Science can't attach value to somethin.

Religion can. It can say, "The world was created in this way, on this number of days, etc." Science can only say, "Maybe the world came to be through this process. BUT (here's the big mother****ing but) we CANNOT know for sure. Why? We weren't there when the world came to be as it is now. We weren't there for the 'creation of the world' or 'the big bang', etc. So, we can only guess."


Now, is religion always right? No! But it does fulfill a role in society that science cannot. Belief in somethin bigger than us humans.
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That's almost impossible as one disproves the other. In that sense, you can't have one without the other, in a ying/yangy sort of way...
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You know what else Einstein said:
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."


Einstein's belief towards science and religion was it's Unification though. God isn't what makes religion.

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but science is trying to prove that which is unknown...

religion tells us to believe what a bunch of texts thousands of years old tells us is true.

there are too many conflicting issues for unification


Science has even sometimes proven it's own science that it's wrong with scientific revolutions (it's possible for another scientific revolution to occur, how do we know everything proven is for real?), our existence is already something odd, the existence of the universe and such, science can't describe what was before the universe or before that, but understanding of spiritual religious teachings could. Sometimes religion is needed to try to stop of from evil actions we are able to take, to add more meaning to life and afterlife. Science is also needed to make us see how the world works in reality. If we take the contrast between both S and R, we may be able to unify them.
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I think they're two seperate entities but they don't conflict. Science can't disprove or prove God so religion is more of a belief while science is what you can evidently see and can draw reliable conclusions from.
Religion = interpreting life through your mind
science = life through your body and discovering things through your senses (i.e. what you can see, feel etc.).
Science is easier to prove because we all have the same five sense while we all have different minds.
Through your mind, you can also find things beautiful; think independantly which is something science can't explain.
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religion tells us to believe what a bunch of texts thousands of years old tells us is true.


You hold a incredibly stupid view of religion.

I personally believe that Religion and Science can coexist. I am a Rastafarian and I certainly accept science as perfectly valid provided it is actually researched thoroughly and accurately and without bias.
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hahahaha simply... no

in my thoughts.... religion has been used in the past to explain the unexplainable...

now we have science to explain these things...

I don't think they can co-exist I think science is going to replace religion


Well, science doesn't explain the purpose and reasons for many events, religion can still explain the ''why' questions we face. So there still is place for it.
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Easily. 'Science was created by God, reactions happen because that is how god intended things to be'

There's me combined them, personally I think it's bullshit but a lot of people have started using this argument.
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#23
Many scientists are religious, so yea I think it's pretty possible. There would be some contradictions, but if you don't take the bible 100% literally, you'll be ok.
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the two cant live side by side. Theres just no way. One day science will disprove religion, not that will do anything to dampen those naive religious beliefs.
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No they are counter productive to one another

Science=rational way of trying to explain things
Religion=irrational way of trying to explain things
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Well, science doesn't explain the purpose and reasons for many events, religion can still explain the ''why' questions we face. So there still is place for it.

I hope you're kidding. The basic purpose of science is to explain things, and how they work through REASON based on observation/experimentation.

Religion on the other hand, expects us to believe on something without real proof. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against religion, but your statement is clearly has a fallacy.

Just to put it out there, why are some religious nuts out there against science, in the end if there is a god, science will prove it, if not, well, I guess some people will be searching harder...
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