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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081029/tuk-goth-s-teen-killer-sentence-reduced-dba1618.html

One of two teenage boys who murdered a young woman in a park because she was dressed as a Goth has won a reduction in his sentence at the Court of Appeal. Skip related content
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Goth's teen killer sentence reduced

The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, and two other judges in London cut the minimum term to be served by Ryan Herbert, 16, from 16 years and three months to 15 years and six months.

But they rejected a bid by his co-accused Brendan Harris to have his 18-year minimum sentence reduced.

Harris, of Spring Terrace, Bacup, Lancashire, was convicted of gap-year student Sophie Lancaster's murder after a trial in April.

He was sentenced to life, with the 18-year minimum - the least he must serve before he can apply for parole.

Herbert, of Rossendale Crescent, Bacup, who admitted murder, was also sentenced to life, with a minimum of 16 years and three months.

Miss Lancaster, 20, was killed by repeated stamps and kicks to her head as she lay defenceless trying to protect her injured boyfriend Robert Maltby, 21, in Stubbylee Park, Bacup in August 2007.

Three other youths involved with Herbert and Harris in the savage attack on Mr Maltby had sentence appeals rejected by the judges.

Harris, Herbert, brothers Joseph and Danny Hulme, and Daniel Mallett had moments earlier stamped and kicked art student Mr Maltby into unconsciousness as Miss Lancaster tried to save him.

She died in hospital 13 days later. He survived, but is mentally and physically scarred after the attack.

All five teenagers were given indeterminate sentences for public protection after pleading guilty to grievous bodily harm with intent in relation to the attack on Mr Maltby.

Danny Hulme, 16, and Joseph Hulme, 18, of Landgate, Whitworth, near Bacup are each serving a minimum of five years and ten months and Mallett, 18, of Rockcliffe Drive, Bacup, is serving four years and four months.

Sentencing the youths, Judge Anthony Russell QC described the attacks as "feral thuggery".

The appeals against the sentences he imposed at the Crown Court had mainly centred on the ages of the teenagers.

Lord Judge described it as "appalling crime".

Dismissing the appeals of four of them, he said the appeal of Herbert was being allowed to a "very limited extent".


They should increase it not decrease it...sickos
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OH FUCK NO!!!!

I suppose 9 months is not really much, but still...

If I ever get my hands on Joseph (an old friend of mine) I will kill the bastard.
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OH FUCK NO!!!!

I suppose 9 months is not really much, but still...

If I ever get my hands on Joseph (an old friend of mine) I will kill the bastard.


wow i can't believe you knew him...they deserve more than death!
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OH FUCK NO!!!!

I suppose 9 months is not really much, but still...

If I ever get my hands on Joseph (an old friend of mine) I will kill the bastard.


Wait, you know one of them?

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It happened 2 miles from me. Yes, I was an old school friend of Joe.
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It happened 2 miles from me. Yes, I was an old school friend of Joe.


That's awful :/

The British government are wussies when it comes to prison sentences. Nearly all of them are reduced. Hell, a few years back they released all the paedophiles because they thought they were "practically harmless".

Ship 'em off to Australia if you ask me...

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If I ever get my hands on Joseph (an old friend of mine) I will kill the bastard.


Wow, small world eh? But seriously don't kill him because then in a few years you will be the 'sicko'. I hate to say it but I think people like this should be stopped, I don't approve of the death penalty but this is a savage unprovoked attack and if they hadn't been caught they probably would have re-offended.
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That's awful :/

The British government are wussies when it comes to prison sentences. Nearly all of them are reduced. Hell, a few years back they released all the paedophiles because they thought they were "practically harmless".

Ship 'em off to Australia if you ask me...


Hahaha, while you're at it, wanna add another dingo joke?

JFC.
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not really equal to getting beaten to death though
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That's awful :/

The British government are wussies when it comes to prison sentences. Nearly all of them are reduced. Hell, a few years back they released all the paedophiles because they thought they were "practically harmless".

Ship 'em off to Australia if you ask me...

Keep your paedophiles, we'll stick with our serial killers thank you very much.

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Hahaha, while you're at it, wanna add another dingo joke?

JFC.


I didn't intend it to be a dig at Australia in all honesty

Well, why not? How many Dingos does it take to take a baby?

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#13
That's pathetic.

Awwhhh let's go easy on the little dears... no. No way.
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That's awful :/

The British government are wussies when it comes to prison sentences. Nearly all of them are reduced. Hell, a few years back they released all the paedophiles because they thought they were "practically harmless".

Ship 'em off to Australia if you ask me...


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That's pathetic.

Awwhhh let's go easy on the little dears... no. No way.


Little dears who were bragging all around Bacup about how they'd "done somat good?" Yeah right. Dipshit judge.

And yes Reva, I did get your sarcasm, I was going along with it.
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Little dears who were bragging all around Bacup about how they'd "done somat good?" Yeah right. Dipshit judge.

And yes Reva, I did get your sarcasm, I was going along with it.

Seriously?! They actually said that?



Yeah.... people are stupid. That is all.
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Wow, small world eh?


It honestly always fascinates me who knows who and how circles work. I have had some big suprises over the years.

Anyway the story was one of the worst I had heard in a while.
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That's awful :/

The British government are wussies when it comes to prison sentences. Nearly all of them are reduced. Hell, a few years back they released all the paedophiles because they thought they were "practically harmless".

Ship 'em off to Australia if you ask me...

Lol our government is even worse at sentencing then yours, they would go to juvie and be out in 3 years over here is Australia (probably not but they would definatley get a lighter sentance over here.)
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It honestly always fascinates me who knows who and how circles work. I have had some big suprises over the years.

Anyway the story was one of the worst I had heard in a while.


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#20
What the ****? Reduced sentence!?

I don't think 16 or 18 years is long enough either, because it was a completley unprovoked murder. People like that are just ruining other peoples lives.

I hate to sound like some kind of dictator here but they should be executed for the good of other people, innocent people

But then again in my opinion with such a horrible crime like this even death is too good for them
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Hopefully the guilt eating their souls will be worse than death... Somehow I doubt that though.
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a life sentence is only around 25 to 30 years from what i here so instead of saying they deserve a life sentence


DEATH SENTENCE
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reduced sentence? wow, they should have gotten life without parole in the first place.
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Hopefully the guilt eating their souls will be worse than death... Somehow I doubt that though.


They're goths ...
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They're goths ...


Idiot...

The girl who got kicked to death on the floor was a goth...
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Idiot...

The girl who got kicked to death on the floor was a goth...


Oh right I misread that, I do feel like an idiot now.
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They're goths ...


Umm, no, read the article, they killed a girl because SHE was a goth.
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reduced sentence? wow, they should have gotten life without parole in the first place.


As far as I'm aware, we don't have that sentence here. We certainly should have. Als0o life doesn't mean life. It should. Also to the people saying death penalty - That would make us as bad as them. Justice should not be vengeance.
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As far as I'm aware, we don't have that sentence here. We certainly should have. Als0o life doesn't mean life. It should. Also to the people saying death penalty - That would make us as bad as them. Justice should not be vengeance.



no cause their deaths will have been warranted, if they hadnt done anything and we kicked them to death for the way they dress...

THEN, we would be as bad as them.
#31
should not happen.

and yes they deserve to be hung drawn and quartered. bring back the medieval punishments.
that way it will teach chavs and criminals that if they take a life, then they will lose their life

and yeh the british government is a let down in most areas really.
#32
the minimum has been reduced. that doesn't necessarily get them out any earlier.


no cause their deaths will have been warranted, if they hadnt done anything and we kicked them to death for the way they dress...

THEN, we would be as bad as them.


it's still murder.

killing someone with intent to kill or cause GBH.
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#33
The rapists who raped that 12 year old like a month ago who arn't going to get a prison sentence tops this by far.
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if margeret thatcher wasnt such a **** there wouldnt be alcholic jobless tax thieves parents spawning thses vile pieces of ****in shit i hope these chav *****s get a visit from bubba!!!
#35
...This damned justice system of ours, its absolutly terrible..
If you take a life, you serve life.( with no parole or reductions)
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The rapists who raped that 12 year old like a month ago who arn't going to get a prison sentence tops this by far.



... what? link please i cant believe this.
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I think they should be curb-stomped to death. For irony, the curb-stompers will be wearing Tripp NYC boots.
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