Poll: Lessons, do we need them?
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View poll results: Lessons, do we need them?
Yes, thy help tremendously
81 47%
no, you can teach yourself or get help from friends
57 33%
indifferent
36 21%
Voters: 174.
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#1
What do you think about lessons and if its possibe to be great without them.
#4
Depends, guitar lessons?, you can still bypass them and become "great" without them.
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#5
i never took lesons, but i wish i had, i could have learned guitar a lot faster
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#7
Depends, i develop greater by myself, as im no good at being teached stuff.
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#9
i'm kinda thinking about taking lessons, even though i'm not a beginner. i just want to find out about different styles and stuff that i don't know about.
#10
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Depends, i develop greater by myself, as im no good at being teached stuff.


Taught......

See, we are learning already!!!
#13
I'm glad i had a good teacher when i started and wouldn't have learned guitar as fast as i did now

But it just helps , some of the best guitarist never had real teachers.
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#14
Ofcourse u need lessons. The internet helps, but you all must be born with the talent to know when ur making errors.

And to the "some of the best guitarist didn't had lessons" comment. When they record an album they have a producer who helps them guide how to play what. + studio guitarists who help out and studio magic, editing etc.

Check out half of youtube who think they can play guitar and sound shit. No teacher to tell you ur mistakes will result in u learing ur mistakes in stead of "of learning ur mistakes"

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#15
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Taught......

See, we are learning already!!!


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#16
i don't think lessons are required but i'd strongly recommend them to someone who wants to learn. it makes the learning process easier and faster in my opinion so it would also make a person more motivated.
#17
Quote by xxdarrenxx
Ofcourse u need lessons. The internet helps, but you all must be born with the talent to know when ur making errors.

And to the some of the best guitarist comments. When they record an album they have a producer who helps them guide how to play what. + studio guitarists who help out and studio magic, editing etc.


You don't NEED to have lessons. You can develope your own way of playing and work things out for yourself, sure, it's not as fast, but you get there.
#18
No on the lessons. I went self-taught for a few years then tried teachers to make sure I had developed no bad habits. I blew threw a handful of teachers that were worthless and taught me straight out of a book that I had to buy and bring. What kinda shit is that? So, I'm just speaking out of bad experiences with shitty teachers.
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#19
ive learned guitar twice as fast with lessons :tu
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#20
If you get a good teacher then yeah I guess they're helpful, I had a year of lessons with one teacher and I had no progress at all so we just finished that, £23 a week to learn the fricking simpsons theme tune...
#22
There is no need for lessons, if you like figuring stuff out the hard way, or all by yourself.
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#23
Ive had maybe two lessons by my older brother and he taught me a few songs to get me started. Im basicly self taught though. and 4 years later im playing dream theater and Iron Maiden.
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#24
Lessons are ****ing invaluable. I took em for a year and a half when I first started out. My guitar teacher kicked my ass to learn theory and why things work the way they do. At the same time though. It seems every guitarist I play with has no Idea what I'm talking about when I ask them to just improvise in D.
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#26
Hmmm okey fair enough. Too everyone who is totally self taught. Record some guitar which u think u can play 100% with no errors. If u play it flawless (good dynamics, rhythm, notes, timing) etc.

Then I will shut the **** up. Otherwise i still think u need some sort of a coach or and outside source too guide you.

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#27
you can be great without them, but they can help, there are a lot of factors (how you learn best, what kind of teacher you have etc.) that determine this sort of thing.

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Hmmm okey fair enough. Too everyone who is totally self taught. Record some guitar which u think u can play 100% with no errors. If u play it flawless (good dynamics, rhythm, notes, timing) etc.

Then I will shut the **** up. Otherwise i still think u need some sort of a coach or and outside source too guide you.


how do you determine if something is played flawlessly? I'm a guitar player not a CP player, and it's impossible to immitate all of the naunces of someone else playing. I can play all the stuff I've written flawlessly though, because I wrote it for myself beased on my naunces.
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#28
ive played for 2 years goin on 3 self taught, but had some guideance from my skool music teachers in improv and new techniques. I could prob use some lessons but get along great without them
#29
Quote by Kid_Thorazine
you can be great without them, but they can help, there are a lot of factors (how you learn best, what kind of teacher you have etc.) that determine this sort of thing.


how do you determine if something is played flawlessly? I'm a guitar player not a CP player, and it's impossible to immitate all of the naunces of someone else playing. I can play all the stuff I've written flawlessly though, because I wrote it for myself beased on my naunces.


Well for example learn the essence of stuff. Most stuff i hear on the internet by guitarists lack an essence. A teacher or coach will guide u on how ur stuff will translate better to people. Alot of times ur head sunbconsiously adds thing that really aren't there. And unless people get in ur head, they won't hear it.

Without an outside source, u can't shut off ur emotions. Example: IF u feel in love and play a lead u can think it's the best there is, but this is influenced by ur emotion. Alot of times people write stuff and love it, and a month later they totally hate it.

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#30
I took lessons on and off. I just learned differently with them.
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#31
Quote by xxdarrenxx
Hmmm okey fair enough. Too everyone who is totally self taught. Record some guitar which u think u can play 100% with no errors. If u play it flawless (good dynamics, rhythm, notes, timing) etc.

Then I will shut the **** up. Otherwise i still think u need some sort of a coach or and outside source too guide you.

Don't you listen to anybody's MP3s? You'll find that recording you're after pretty sharpish I reckon. There are a lot of excellent taught AND self-taught guitarists here.

And for what it's worth, I bet they can type better than you.
#33
I've never had a guitar lesson because I can't afford them to be honest .. But I think I'm doing alright for no one with lessons.. Although I do progress a hell of a lot slower..
#34
Quote by Vermintide
Don't you listen to anybody's MP3s? You'll find that recording you're after pretty sharpish I reckon. There are a lot of excellent taught AND self-taught guitarists here.

And for what it's worth, I bet they can type better than you.


I know they can type better. You try too write a quarter of what I can write in english in dutch, since i'm from the netherlands.

IF you really wanna take it on.

I'm a self taught typer i don't need typing lessons, I can do without em.

Seriously i don't wanna start a kiddie debate.

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#35
Quote by xxdarrenxx
Well for example learn the essence of stuff. Most stuff i hear on the internet by guitarists lack an essence. A teacher or coach will guide u on how ur stuff will translate better to people. Alot of times ur head sunbconsiously adds thing that really aren't there. And unless people get in ur head, they won't hear it.

Without an outside source, u can't shut off ur emotions. Example: IF u feel in love and play a lead u can think it's the best there is, but this is influenced by ur emotion. Alot of times people write stuff and love it, and a month later they totally hate it.


that happens to everyone self-taugt or not, the thing with the internet is that someone can record something and have it up 5 minutes later, whereas records take awhile to be released so pros can go back and get rid of stuff later, plus they also have a producer and whatnot to give them an outside reference.
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#36
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that happens to everyone self-taugt or not, the thing with the internet is that someone can record something and have it up 5 minutes later, whereas records take awhile to be released so pros can go back and get rid of stuff later, plus they also have a producer and whatnot to give them an outside reference.


That's what i said in my first post on this topic.

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#37
You don't NEED lessons to become a good guitar player... but if you have a good teacher, they're always a big help.
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#38
Quote by xxdarrenxx
That's what i said in my first post on this topic.


yeah but the point is, you don't need a teacher for this, just someone whos willing to listen to what you are doing.
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#39
Quote by Kid_Thorazine
yeah but the point is, you don't need a teacher for this, just someone whos willing to listen to what you are doing.


Hmmm yes I think what's unclear. A (imo) good guitar teacher learns someone how to learn. So they eventually are enough of an "asshole" to recognize their own mistakes. A good teacher learns you to set a good link between ur feelings and how too translate it to guitar. Like a producer sets the link between the music and how it will be received by the listener.

But I think the topic is a bit unclear; I mean a good internet guitar lesson is better then a bad guitar teacher and the other way around. It really depends.

The topic states lessons. But something as easy as a friend who says that a song of urs sounds sweet, can result in you writing more in that style and developing ur own guitarstyle can essentially be seen as a lesson.

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#40
Quote by xxdarrenxx
Hmmm yes I think what's unclear. A (imo) good guitar teacher learns someone how to learn. So they eventually are enough of an "asshole" to recognize their own mistakes. A good teacher learns you to set a good link between ur feelings and how too translate it to guitar. Like a producer sets the link between the music and how it will be received by the listener.

But I think the topic is a bit unclear; I mean a good internet guitar lesson is better then a bad guitar teacher and the other way around. It really depends.


I don't really have a problem recognizing my own mistakes, and I've never had a guitar lesson in my life, I know plenty of people who've had lessons and put out total crap all the time before they realize how bad it is, it's down to the individual, not whether or not they've had lessons.
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