#1
i currently have a fender frontman 212 and am looking for a stack amp for grunge. I need a good tube amp that can make good sounds. I was thinking about the Peavey valveking or a randall half stack. what should i get and will these do it with a good sound?

Edit: i hate marshall amps
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#2
Do you gig? Also, stacks are for people who play stadiums, a 30 watt valve amp will be more than enough, specially if the venue mics your amp up, in which case you'll have it even lower. So a combo would probably be more suitable.
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Do you gig? Also, stacks are for people who play stadiums, a 30 watt valve amp will be more than enough, specially if the venue mics your amp up, in which case you'll have it even lower. So a combo would probably be more suitable.


i gig. and yes i already own a 100 watt combo (solid state). i'm just looking for a better sound, so i'm upgrading to a tube amp.

any suggestions?
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#4
Definetly get a combo unless you play relatively big gigs, otherwise stacks are a waste of money. The Valveking 112 would be good and probably sufficiently powerful for you.
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#6
well grunge doesnt really have a specific sound. i mean, it does, but its not like every grunge band sounds the same. if all you play is grunge then maybe something like a VK would be pretty good for you. plus what's your budget?
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#7
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i gig. and yes i already own a 100 watt combo (solid state). i'm just looking for a better sound, so i'm upgrading to a tube amp.

any suggestions?


tube amps are also way louder.


Maybe look at a peavey classic 30 or 50

maybe a mesa boogie. A fender.

Grunge is what you make it, just like punk, you can have any tone you want. As long as you like it. So the best plan would be to go try out a bunch of amps.
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#8
(Directed at everyone whose posted) I know that grunge is what you make it, although it seems to me mids are the key. So i need something that can handle a heavy, overdriven, middle eq'd sound. Valveking combo? Peavy 30 or 50?

My budget will be up to 1000. I'll be running a fender mustang with a little 59er and a JB jr in it most likely

EDIT: I was also thinking a used orange combo if i can get one
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#9
the orange will work as well. Forget the valveking, your budget allows a way nicer amp.

Look at laneys, you can probably get a used mesa boogie that'll fit your needs.


And just for shits and giggles, try out some more marshalls. You might find one you like.
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#11
what grunge band, because pearl jam doesnt sound the same as nirvana,foofighters etc.
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#12
Orange Rocker 30 gets a nice thick, grungey OD
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#14
I say peavey 5150 or a used JCM900 that will get you a really nice distorted sound.
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what grunge band, because pearl jam doesnt sound the same as nirvana,foofighters etc.


they don't, but their tone is similar. And it doesn't matter. Because grunge tone is subjective, it's whatever you want. We're just steering him in the direction of good sounding valves with enough power.

He shouldn't straight up buy anything because we told him to, We're making suggestions on what he should go try out.
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#16
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What exactly don't you like about Marshalls?


never been able to be satisfied with the tone.
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never been able to be satisfied with the tone.


Anything more specific because british voiced el-34 based amps, Orange, Marshalls, etc. all have similar voicings (early breakup, raunchy power amp drive, and a lot of mids) and any problems with Marshall's tone, you may have with Orange or similar.
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#20
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Anything more specific because british voiced el-34 based amps, Orange, Marshalls, etc. all have similar voicings (early breakup, raunchy power amp drive, and a lot of mids) and any problems with Marshall's tone, you may have with Orange or similar.


I've played orange amps and liked them. I haven't had problems with any other british voiced amps. Marshalls just get to me. But i'm pretty much willing to try anything, so i may have to put aside my hate if it gets me the tone i want.

can you suggest me some others?
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#21
right....

you all say grunge doesnt have a particular tone, but im guessing your talking about that saturated, loose sound nirvana was famous for - also silver chair, mudhoney, sound garden, stone temple pilots... they all have a similar sound.

a lot of grungfe acts used extremely clean fender valve amps with various distortion pedals. Boss ds-1 ds-2 were popular grunge pedals, so was the proco rat and rat 2.

fuzz pedals feature prominantly in grunge too... fuzz face etc (smashing pumpkins on the neck pick up)

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#23
a lot of grunge bands play distortion pedals through relatively clean amps. a big muff/boss ds1 and tubescreamer would sound thick as hell through any fender tube amp.

EDIT: dammit, someone beat me to it... well ill just back up his point
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a lot of grunge bands play distortion pedals through relatively clean amps. a big muff/boss ds1 and tubescreamer would sound thick as hell through any fender tube amp.

EDIT: dammit, someone beat me to it... well ill just back up his point



ha ha!

yeah, people these days are so into pre amp tube gain that they forget that some of the best and thickest heavy sounds were created on a single channel fender with a distortion pedal.
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#25
get the orange rocker, its miles better than the valveking.
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ha ha!

yeah, people these days are so into pre amp tube gain that they forget that some of the best and thickest heavy sounds were created on a single channel fender with a distortion pedal.


It's just my opinion, but I really think that method sounds like shit. Even if Kurt Cobain did that, I certainly would not call Nirvana's tone "some of the best sounds."
#28
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TS - could you maybe give us some specific bands or songs that you like the tone of?

Heavy mids and distortion is pretty broad, and defining grunge is always a headache.
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TS - could you maybe give us some specific bands or songs that you like the tone of?

Heavy mids and distortion is pretty broad, and defining grunge is always a headache.


Obviously, since I'm in to grunge the necessities are

Nirvana (who would've guessed?)
Soundgarden
Mudhoney
Melvins
Mad Season
Pearl Jam
Stone Temple Pilots
Alice In Chains
Sown (www.myspace.com/sownband check them out!)

the list goes on. Thick, overdriven, mid sound that isn't too trebly (I HATE TOO MUCH TREBLE) or too bassy
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#30
well, i have a valveking halfstack (i get spoiled on christmas) and ill tell you that im not a fan of its overdrive channel. however a distortion pedal (mine: digitech ex7 on metal zone setting.) can make it sound amazing becasue the bright switch on the clean gives a ton of edge. that setup never lets me down with nirvana alice in chains or even heavier stuff like megadeth. and of course you get the awesome clean channel
#31
I'd say that stock, a VK is certainly muddy enough to satisfy grunge needs.
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