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#1
This is mostly directed to all of you hardcore capitalists.

Capitalism itself will not, cannot, and should not work.

Without Obama's "socialist" plans, America's economy will continue to go downhill. America's poor will continue to get poorer, and our society will continue to get worse.

Open you minds. The only reason most Americans hate socialism is because they are taught to do so, or are selfish.

Socialism is needed for a productive, equal society. I for one, am tired of being run by the Oil and Tabacco company's lobbyists. If you want the 10% of America's wealthiest Americans to continue running America, vote McCain.

If you are willing to change a bit, to open your minds to others views, vote Obama. It's time we took care of our own instead of other countries.

If you hardcore capitalists can't see that, no wonder America is becoming a sh*thole.
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#4
Anyone saying "yes" couldn't define socialism if they tried. They have no idea what socialism is.

I know a lot of UGers are in Europe. If Obama were a candidate in your country (I know Europe isn't a country, don't try and correct me) he'd be considered centrist.

Anyone who claims he is a socialist is a ****ing idiot. Socialism is dead.
#5
The presidential nominee of the Socialist Party of America has stated that he is the socialist,not Obama.
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too bad almost all of the polls are closed.
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#7
I think a mix is best. Some social programs combined with a competitive open market.

I know jack about this stuff though.
#8
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This is mostly directed to all of you hardcore capitalists.

Capitalism itself will not, cannot, and should not work.

Without Obama's "socialist" plans, America's economy will continue to go downhill. America's poor will continue to get poorer, and our society will continue to get worse.

Open you minds. The only reason most Americans hate socialism is because they are taught to do so, or are selfish.

Socialism is needed for a productive, equal society.

That's why congress went socialist on Wall Street's bitchy ass and bailed them out. So burn on you, America is socialist!
#9
no, socialism is retarded (essentially communism...and just go ask soviet russia how that system worked out)

anything to save our economy is some government based project (like FDR's New Deal) to help open up programs to help create jobs n stuff. Redistribution of wealth will do what? it will take money away from hard working citizens and give it to lazy poor folk, who'll just spend it and then what? we'll ALL be out of money!

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#10
doesnt a 700 billion dollar bail out to the banks count as privatization..a socialist policy?
#11
obama not socialist. Socialism stops forward progress of society and gets rid of the drive to work hard.
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#12
Just because George W. Bush has been a shit president doesn't mean we can suddenly ignore the fact that capitalism has produced the greatest leaps forward in progress over the course of human history, or the fact that business creates jobs, and jobs create wealth.
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no, socialism is retarded (essentially communism...and just go ask soviet russia how that system worked out)

anything to save our economy is some government based project (like FDR's New Deal) to help open up programs to help create jobs n stuff. Redistribution of wealth will do what? it will take money away from hard working citizens and give it to lazy poor folk, who'll just spend it and then what? we'll ALL be out of money!

Sarcasm? Or completely backwards?
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no, socialism is retarded (essentially communism...and just go ask soviet russia how that system worked out)

anything to save our economy is some government based project (like FDR's New Deal) to help open up programs to help create jobs n stuff. Redistribution of wealth will do what? it will take money away from hard working citizens and give it to lazy poor folk, who'll just spend it and then what? we'll ALL be out of money!

Redistrubution will make everyone lazy. In my opinion...
#16
Well, socialism in the form that most Americans think of it (communsim) can't work, but anarchism, on the other hand...
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doesnt a 700 billion dollar bail out to the banks count as privatization..a socialist policy?


No.

It may have been feeding the rich bankers what they wanted, but it had to be done.

If we didn't bail them out, the banks would have to stop giving out loans and credit, essentially crashing most businesses in the United States.
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#19
You'll be eating your words when you're forced to go here at this time, or do this at that time. Socialism does not work, its been proven time and time again. The human population is not Majority good. No one wants to give to others. Many leaders or Communism and Socialism have stated that it does not work after they failed. Go read a history book and see how incredibly flawed you are. Capitalism has made this country what it is. You can't logically say that it doesn't work.
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Just because George W. Bush has been a shit president doesn't mean we can suddenly ignore the fact that capitalism has produced the greatest leaps forward in progress over the course of human history, or the fact that business creates jobs, and jobs create wealth.


In the beginning, perhaps.

But people have grown corrupt and greedy. Businesses are going downhill, and people are getting lazy, and the economy is going down.
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#21
polictical thread please
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Well, socialism in the form that most Americans think of it (communsim) can't work, but anarchism, on the other hand...


I hope you are joking. Ever seen Mad Max?
#23
yes and i could define socialism

P.s. i didnt look it up either it was in my government discussion
#24
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No.

It may have been feeding the rich bankers what they wanted, but it had to be done.

If we didn't bail them out, the banks would have to stop giving out loans and credit, essentially crashing most businesses in the United States.


No.


Regardless of the consequence and the reasons its a socialist policy.
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You'll be eating your words when you're forced to go here at this time, or do this at that time. Socialism does not work, its been proven time and time again. The human population is not Majority good. No one wants to give to others. Many leaders or Communism and Socialism have stated that it does not work after they failed. Go read a history book and see how incredibly flawed you are.


No, Socialism does not work. But neither does Capitalism by itself.

We need a combination of the two. If you think that Obama is a Socialist, you're an idiot. He has some Socialist views that are needed to run an efficient country.
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#27
i, for one, disagree.
socialism would mean high taxation of corporations and bussinesses. this would result in much larger expenses, and higher prices of domestic goods in a society already ruled by foreign goods. there would be no way to compete these imports, without use of high tarrifs, which boost the price of everything, and we'd end up with loads of inflation.
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#28
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No, Socialism does not work. But neither does Capitalism by itself.

We need a combination of the two. If you think that Obama is a Socialist, your an idiot. He has some Socialist views that are needed to run an efficient country.


Socialism can work. Something like fascism can't, but socialism can. And the whole "Obama=socialist" crap is just stupid.

Correction: replace "your an idiot" with "you're an idiot".


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#29
well i'm not giving part of my paycheck to high school drop outs. if they REALLY want jobs, they'll get them. if they want to sit back and live off the government, i'm not about to give them my money.
that and i'm not into killing babies.

i'm not saying that i agree with McCain, i'm saying that i dont like obama...at all.
#30
I don't think Americans HATE socialism it's just that it's being shoved down our throats whether it's necessary or not and your telling a capitalist country, the most powerful country in the world to adopt socialism, but yes some are sheltered and only know what their told and are selfish.
#31
get over and do something about it. why complain in a fuxxin democracy when you have the right to do something. stupid.

oh and not all poor people are what you think they are. the reason why a lot of people are poor is cus the banks fuxxed their jobs up.
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get over and do something about it. why complain in a fuxxin democracy when you have the right to do something. stupid.


We don't have the right to do something about it.

What do you suggest we do? Hold up a sign?
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#33
Bullshit.

A free market works if the government will refrain from "managing" it and do what government is meant to do: protect the rights of it's citizens.

Capitalism gives everyone a chance. If you're willing to work, you can live in a capitalist society, simple as.

The only socialist policy we have in America that I find necessary is the Disability program.
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#34
also this country is the most privileged country in the world, you don't have to serve in the army for 2 years mandatory and you don't even have to work. No nobody wants to pay their well earned money to people who don't work or sell crack on the corner. America is so damned spoiled, try doing that shit in Sweden, Norway...forget about it.
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We don't have the right to do something about it.

What do you suggest we do? Hold up a sign?



thomas jefferson sayed its DUTY for the citizens to fix their government.
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thomas jefferson sayed its DUTY for the citizens to fix their government.


Maybe you should learn to spell before you go protest. Seeing things spelled wrong on signs is generally a bad thing.
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#37
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Maybe you should learn to spell before you go protest. Seeing things spelled wrong on signs is generally a bad thing.



all i did was forget to put "the" before duty. stupid nazi.
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also this country is the most privileged country in the world, you don't have to serve in the army for 2 years mandatory and you don't even have to work. No nobody wants to pay their well earned money to people who don't work or sell crack on the corner. America is so damned spoiled, try doing that shit in Sweden, Norway...forget about it.


Oh shut up.

So what if we're privileged? If other countries want to be like us, more power to them, go for it.

We fought for the way we are. We earned it.
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#39
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all i did was forget to put "the" before duty. stupid nazi.


Last time I checked, "sayed" isn't a word.
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Oh shut up.

So what if we're privileged? If other countries want to be like us, more power to them, go for it.

We fought for the way we are. We earned it.


Don't think for a second that YOU earned it. Other people earned it for you.
See the difference there, please.
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