#1
is there any way to use guitar rig without having the computer?
like does the pedal have memory or what?
#3
I'm pretty sure that the pedal only controls whats going on in the program...

If you want something like that, why not just get a multi-effects processor??
#4
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is there any way to use guitar rig without having the computer?
like does the pedal have memory or what?


If you are talking about the Rig Kontrol foot controller, you absolutely need a computer. IT's basically a midi controller.

Just get a multiFx and be done with it.
#5
I only have the software edition, but if you are using the rig kontrol (with a PC!) am I right in thinking that there are line outs - so you can output to a PA or amp and play live through the onboard soundcard?
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#6
Quote by cuthbertg
I only have the software edition, but if you are using the rig kontrol (with a PC!) am I right in thinking that there are line outs - so you can output to a PA or amp and play live through the onboard soundcard?


You don't need the Rig Kontrol to do that. The output is your computers sound card. You patch that into the PA.

My primary computer sound card is an Edirol Midi box that connects via USB. I use that to input my guitar and mic and I use powered monitors instead computer speakers for the output.

I have guitar rig 3 (came with Sonar 8) and use it sometimes, but I use my RP250 multiFX more.
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#7
i just need something that i can programme the effects with on a computer,
i have an effects pedal but its very limited compared to guitar rig
#8
You need a computer. That's why it's so good: Instead of having to make a good processor, you can use a computer's!
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#9
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You need a computer. That's why it's so good: Instead of having to make a good processor, you can use a computer's!



"You need a computer"

That's why it sucks.
#10
Why is that? It's a GREAT recording tool you know. Ever tried it? If not then STFU. Seriously, I've been using it for about one and a half year. It's fantastic. I'm yet to try an MFX or a POD that sounds even close to being as good. Seriously, while most of them has the characters of the amps GR3 NAILS the sound. Really the only thing you lack is the feeling, but for recording, especially if you live in an apartmement, it's a great tool. Also with the footpedal you can use it live too, if you have say a laptop. The good thing with using a computer is that if you have a decent one it will sound FANTASTIC. Think like this: Ever tried synths (like a Nord) that costs around $2000? They sound AWESOME. Ever tried a plugin? They sound just as great, but costs a 10th of the price. Compare to a synth for the same price and it's horrible. Why is that? Because you only need to spend the money developing the software, no hardware. In a multi-fx you basically need to build a computer and to keep costs down you need to save money, but also lose sound quality. Now if you use a computer? Well then you've got the ahrdware and they can make the software ALOT better!
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#11
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You need a computer. That's why it's so good: Instead of having to make a good processor, you can use a computer's!


I have played around with Guitar Rig 3 and it sounds good, but there is no way any computer would be stable enough that I would trust it for live use.
#12
Quote by Gabel
Why is that? It's a GREAT recording tool you know. Ever tried it? If not then STFU. Seriously, I've been using it for about one and a half year. It's fantastic. I'm yet to try an MFX or a POD that sounds even close to being as good. Seriously, while most of them has the characters of the amps GR3 NAILS the sound. Really the only thing you lack is the feeling, but for recording, especially if you live in an apartmement, it's a great tool. Also with the footpedal you can use it live too, if you have say a laptop. The good thing with using a computer is that if you have a decent one it will sound FANTASTIC. Think like this: Ever tried synths (like a Nord) that costs around $2000? They sound AWESOME. Ever tried a plugin? They sound just as great, but costs a 10th of the price. Compare to a synth for the same price and it's horrible. Why is that? Because you only need to spend the money developing the software, no hardware. In a multi-fx you basically need to build a computer and to keep costs down you need to save money, but also lose sound quality. Now if you use a computer? Well then you've got the ahrdware and they can make the software ALOT better!



No. I totally agree with you. I have a recording setup and own Guitar Rig. I was under the assumption that the O.P. didn't want the computer for portability.

But I know what you mean. That's why I have a looper on my pedal-board. I can dump wave files to it from a laptop via usb, or record to it in real time with an aux out from the laptop I fooling around with using trigger pads to launch loops from Ableton and Sonar stuff (I use the awesome EzDrummer "Drum Kit From Hell" VSt) and have them dump down to my looper. I've considered real MIDI foot controlers as well.

But nothing beats the real thing.
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#13
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I have played around with Guitar Rig 3 and it sounds good, but there is no way any computer would be stable enough that I would trust it for live use.


Why do you think every musician uses a Mac?

I have a Mac and so does my dad and we use them for keyboard sounds. We have used them playing multiple live gigs, with at least two being longer than an hour. They have NEVER crashed...

Quote by 667
No. I totally agree with you. I have a recording setup and own Guitar Rig. I was under the assumption that the O.P. didn't want the computer for portability.

But I know what you mean. That's why I have a looper on my pedal-board. I can dump wave files to it from a laptop via usb, or record to it in real time with an aux out from the laptop I fooling around with using trigger pads to launch loops from Ableton and Sonar stuff (I use the awesome EzDrummer "Drum Kit From Hell" VSt) and have them dump down to my looper. I've considered real MIDI foot controlers as well.

But nothing beats the real thing.


I agree on everything. And yes nothing beats the real things but Guitar Rig is DAMN close to it!
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#14
You can do live gigs, but you need a ****ing PC in your rig... not worth it IMHO, the metal rhythm tones in GR3 (for me) are not that good....whereas the lead tones are great. I like Amplitube Metal through Voxengo Pristine Space using a Boogie 4x12 Impulse file and a Voxengo Warmifier...yummy rhythm tone
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#15
hmmmmmm - I might try building a dual machine fault tolerant rig!
I've got a load of old celeron and centrino laptops lying around and this makes more sense than getting £30 on ebay for them after answering a millon silly questions all week about them....!

Not sure what approach I'd take yet - I'll ponder some more

I use Guitar rig 2 + 3 as awell as others and I think they are great. I quite like the idea of being able to tour the world with my guitar and a laptop!!
To my ear, it sounds better than any moddeling amps I have heard, it's a doddle getting great tone 'to tape' in moments - No more spending hours with cheap mics, mid range amps and a tascam 4 track

Gabel - do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

"Why do you think every musician uses a Mac?" - that's fightin' talk where i come from, mush!!

I'm not really a pc or a mac person, I work in IT so I can see that they both have their place. However, If I was playing Wembly Stadium and my trusty IBM thinkpad went down (which in itself would be a shock - my pc's never crash cos I'm a pro ) I would be able to open it up and fix it without voiding the warranty or having to send it off to a mac speacialist.

It certainly used to be the case that creatives would use macs because they were faster, more reliable, powerful etc and that was the preferred platform for creative apps etc. I just don't think it is relevant any more + has not been for about 8 years. whatever apps you can get for a mac, you can pretty much get for pc, but not the other way round.Free/shareware community is much more active for PC etc

Having said that, I have always preferred to keep things simple when playing live and have never used anything more than a tubescreamer and a wah.......

Which is probably why i just got the software version, I would like the pedal borad for the soundcard and the rocker pedal - the rest I can get along fine without.

It would be cool if they also offered a little pc in a box type add on for the foot controller though for people who do just want to use it as a multifx......
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#16
I see what you mean. However, I use my mac for two things: music and film (making both). For that I use Logic Pro 8 and Final Cut Pro, both which are developed by Apple. Both of them is the reason I use Mac: They are great. The compability is great, they work very fast and overall I like them. Sure Pro Tools is as good as Logic, but is locked to special hardware and there are other DAW apps. But IMO I find Logic the best. Also it includes a great suite of programs. For an example we use a program included called Mainstage for all live gigs for the keyboards. Final Cut is also great, being the industry standard. Basically I use my Mac because I prefer the software. Or wait, maybe I should say Macs, I have two.

And yes I know PCs doesn't crash as often if you know how to use them, but still!
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#17
Not to further perpetuate this mac/pc banter. but i will say that i have never used a more reliable computer than my Macbook Pro. I have used it in live situations many times for keyboard sounds. I used Reason for organ sounds. never failed me.
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#18
You see Gabel! You bloody creatives have to go and spoil everything with your personal preferences and preferred apps/developers and generally over-complicating everthing with your humble opinions

If it werent for people like you, people like me could simlpy answer the age old question...."what's the difference between a PC and a Mac?"....with Macs are for the rich, PCs for the poor - instead of having to make up technical bullsh*t to try and impress you with our non-existent, in-depth knowledge!

I bet it was somebody who was 'good with computers' that came up with the idea of having heisenberg compensators on the starship enterpise....

(laughs at own bad geeky joke for ten mins)

^Mums got a mac book titanium (I think that's it) and it IS nice. We took her on holiday this year and she bought it with her - I was hoping to have a good go with garage band, but all I really managed was a good look unfortunately. She had a screen prob early on, but the warranty repair procedure was painless. And to be honest, I think one of her dogs had sat on it to keep it's arse warm.

They are pretty stable and non hardware faults/peripherals - a few years ago at least - were pretty simple to fix/isolate either by starting without preferences or extentions or by bunging in a nortons 'mac engineer on a disc' fix it all disc and booting from it. That was pre OSX tho.

6/7 years ago I used to manage a team of 8 support bods. 1 mac engineer and 7 PC engineers

The mac engineer used to take great pleasure reminding all the PC guys and dolls that he alone supported just as much equipment as they all did between them whenever the pc vs mac question came up - it did get very boring though, especially cos he kept banging on about it when it was no longer the case and I bet he still bangs on about it now...

If I were 18 and off to Uni and looking for a laptop to spend the folks cash on and then use to bum out of Uni and spend my early 20's trying to get my teenage angst out of me and into my first album - then I would probably go mac, seriously

(EDIT) If I were 18, no qualifications, no job etc, then I would cobble together a pc from parts left outside on the street/bin/skips, connect to somebody's unsecured wireless connection and download illegal craked versions of whatever I needed!!
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