#1
Hey, i'm Sean, im 14, been playing guitar around three years and i've been stuck with a very cheap encore starter guitar and I think it's about time for a new one.

I mostly play metal, however I also enjoy other less heavy rock, and i'd like to be able to get some nice cleans as well as mid to high gain tone.

My budget is £400, but I don't mind if they guitar is slightly less or more than that obviously. I would prefer a fixed bridge, because I would never use a tremelo, and i'd be playing more for that than the rest of the guitar, which I don't want to be doing, so no tremelo. Thats about it, feel free to ask me anything else. And remember this guitar has to be available in the UK.

Two guitars I have played and could get are the Ibanez RGR421EXFM or the Dean Razorback DB

Tbh I think the Ibanez would be more versatile, but please let me know what you think. All help appriciated =]
#2
The RG Series by Ibanez is an extremely fast guitar. It's great for the high gains too, in fact, Herman Li uses a custom built version. Deans have great harmonic response and have nice, mostly trebley gains, it all comes down to style.
#3
This is from personal experience and opinion but i tried the razorback (one like it anyway) and didnt like it that much. iv tried an ibanez one like that but i tihnk it was a bit more expensive than that. i would try both and pick which one you feel bests suits you.
Also, look at the ESP website and look at the LTD models they have. They are pretty decent
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#4
Yeah, but I noticed the Ibanez is only £280, whereas the Dean is £400, I know price does not always mean quality, but there must be some difference for that? I've heard the Ibanez is pretty versitile, but what about the Dean? Does anyone know how the cleans are?
#5
Quote by leony03
This is from personal experience and opinion but i tried the razorback (one like it anyway) and didnt like it that much. iv tried an ibanez one like that but i tihnk it was a bit more expensive than that. i would try both and pick which one you feel bests suits you.
Also, look at the ESP website and look at the LTD models they have. They are pretty decent

Yeah well actually I was looking at them, I think the ESP LTD EX-260 ( http://www.dv247.com/invt/46975/product.htm?gdftrk=gdfV2356_a_7c416_a_7c1181_a_7c46975 ) looks like a pretty good guitar, but I haven't got to play one yet, any paticular ESPs you would reccomend?
#6
Quote by Amazing Pudding
The RG Series by Ibanez is an extremely fast guitar. It's great for the high gains too, in fact, Herman Li uses a custom built version. Deans have great harmonic response and have nice, mostly trebley gains, it all comes down to style.


It's a S, not a RG.
Get the Ibanez and a pick-up swap.
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#7
I've gotta say.. stay away from Dean guitars, I see them as only good bass makers but horrible otherwise. I don't know if they are available over there in England, but look for Laguna guitars. They have a conservative, yet bad- ass look to them, and the play great and they offer fixed bridges. I would buy one if I had the money.
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#8
Quote by DespisedIcon
It's a S, not a RG.
Get the Ibanez and a pick-up swap.

I was thinking that, with the left over cash I could get myself a nice pair of seymour duncans or something.

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I've gotta say.. stay away from Dean guitars, I see them as only good bass makers but horrible otherwise. I don't know if they are available over there in England, but look for Laguna guitars. They have a conservative, yet bad- ass look to them, and the play great and they offer fixed bridges. I would buy one if I had the money.

Yeah I must admit i've heard bad things about the quality of Deans, especially cheaper ones. Anf okay, il check those Lagunas out.
#9
I'd recommend this

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/74671

I have the standard model, this has EMG's and a brilliant feel, right in your budget too

Order it in black though, looks much nicer

http://www.soundtech.co.uk/images/soundtech/news/x50proe_gandb_0906.jpg
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Last edited by sharpant at Nov 7, 2008,
#10
Quote by sharpant
I'd recommend this

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/74671

I have the standard model, this has EMG's and a brilliant feel, right in your budget too

Order it in black though, looks much nicer

http://www.soundtech.co.uk/images/soundtech/news/x50proe_gandb_0906.jpg

Meh, EMGs! I want to stay away from actives, especially EMGs. However I could get the one with the Seymour Duncans http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop/flypage/product_id/8580/r/base
I'll have a look at some reviews and stuff, thanks.
#11
Quote by Amazing Pudding
The RG Series by Ibanez is an extremely fast guitar. It's great for the high gains too, in fact, Herman Li uses a custom built version. Deans have great harmonic response and have nice, mostly trebley gains, it all comes down to style.


Herman Li uses an S Series, very different from an RG.
Buy an S if you want a trem guitar, DO NOT buy a £400 RG, the trem will be shite.

Don't be a cheap Dean either, rubbish quality, very overpriced.

Buy an Ibanez S series or a Washburn X50 Pro.
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#12
Quote by Gregoric
Herman Li uses an S Series, very different from an RG.
Buy an S if you want a trem guitar, DO NOT buy a £400 RG, the trem will be shite.

Don't be a cheap Dean either, rubbish quality, very overpriced.

Buy an Ibanez S series or a Washburn X50 Pro.


No, I already said, I don't want a trem >.<

I'll probably get the Washburn, how does it do with metal?
#13
With the Seymour Duncans i wouldn't expect much in terms of a high gain metal tone, I'm not a huge fan. If you want metal your best bet is to either

1)Get the EMG version
2)Change the pickups, e-mail Tim at Bareknuckle (search google)> contact us
3)Get Seymour Duncan Blackouts
4)Look into Dimarzio, Tone Zone , Evo's, Breed, super distortion

# Seymour Duncan '59 reissue pickup in neck
# Seymour Duncan Custom Custom pickup in bridge

Bridge sounds cheap and tacky, 'custom'. If you're tight on budget I'd get this washburn, exactly the one i have but mine has inferior pickups, I'm currently selling mine so pm me if you're interested.

EBAY LINK (NOT MY GUITAR Power seller so I'm not advertising..just trying to help)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Washburn-X50-PRO-Electric-Guitar-Quilted-Trans-Blue_W0QQitemZ250319978970QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250319978970&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1431|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318,

Or one from Gak in a different color, this guitar is so cheap for how well it plays, trust me

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/x50-pro/67531

At gak you can choose colors but you can't see them so i have found them for you

Quilted transparent blue- http://germancaps.com/X50Pro.jpg
Quilted cognac- http://www.washburn.com/products/electrics/x/images/zoom_x50.jpg
Quilted wine burst- http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/83d0bf941c3270b3a1fb1956744541be.jpg

Power seller so I'm not advertising..just trying to help.

Some of you may remember the Washurn X50Q guitars that were discontinued way back in spring 2005. Washburn have re-launched it's successor and this time they GONE LARGE!!! Oh yes, this bad boy now features TWO Seymour Duncan pick ups to cover just about every rock guitar tone you could ever need. The bridge pick up is a Custom Custom and a '59 is fitted in the neck. These pick ups can be coil tapped to give single coil performance, increasing the tonal variety further!

if i was you I'd buy either a Miracle man(Bareknuckle pickup) or a Dimarzio Tone Zone for the bridge pickup, don't worry to much about the neck for now
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Last edited by sharpant at Nov 10, 2008,
#14
Quote by sharpant
With the Seymour Duncans i wouldn't expect much in terms of a high gain metal tone, I'm not a huge fan. If you want metal your best bet is to either

1)Get the EMG version
2)Change the pickups, e-mail Tim at Bareknuckle (search google)> contact us
3)Get Seymour Duncan Blackouts
4)Look into Dimarzio, Tone Zone , Evo's, Breed, super distortion

# Seymour Duncan '59 reissue pickup in neck
# Seymour Duncan Custom Custom pickup in bridge

Bridge sounds cheap and tacky, 'custom'. If you're tight on budget I'd get this washburn, exactly the one i have but mine has inferior pickups, I'm currently selling mine so pm me if you're interested.

EBAY LINK (NOT MY GUITAR Power seller so I'm not advertising..just trying to help)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Washburn-X50-PRO-Electric-Guitar-Quilted-Trans-Blue_W0QQitemZ250319978970QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250319978970&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1431|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318,

Or one from Gak in a different color, this guitar is so cheap for how well it plays, trust me

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/x50-pro/67531

At gak you can choose colors but you can't see them so i have found them for you

Quilted transparent blue- http://germancaps.com/X50Pro.jpg
Quilted cognac- http://www.washburn.com/products/electrics/x/images/zoom_x50.jpg
Quilted wine burst- http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/83d0bf941c3270b3a1fb1956744541be.jpg

Power seller so I'm not advertising..just trying to help.

Some of you may remember the Washurn X50Q guitars that were discontinued way back in spring 2005. Washburn have re-launched it's successor and this time they GONE LARGE!!! Oh yes, this bad boy now features TWO Seymour Duncan pick ups to cover just about every rock guitar tone you could ever need. The bridge pick up is a Custom Custom and a '59 is fitted in the neck. These pick ups can be coil tapped to give single coil performance, increasing the tonal variety further!

if i was you I'd buy either a Miracle man(Bareknuckle pickup) or a Dimarzio Tone Zone for the bridge pickup, don't worry to much about the neck for now


Ah, thats a suprise, but don't lots of metal guitarists use Seymour Duncans? For example mark morton from lamb of god?

Well anyway, if those pickups arn't good enough, id probably be better off getting the ibanez and changing the pickups on that, right?
#15
Quote by Sean Duffy
Yeah, but I noticed the Ibanez is only £280, whereas the Dean is £400, I know price does not always mean quality, but there must be some difference for that? I've heard the Ibanez is pretty versitile, but what about the Dean? Does anyone know how the cleans are?

It might be very worth your while to check out an ESP LTD MH-250LT very nice guitar>. a whole lot of bang for the buck!
#16
The Ibanez. and then swap the pickups out for the Seymour Duncans you were considering
#17
Hmm, the Washburn has a SD 59' in the neck, which I think is fine for now, Mark Morton has 59's in his guitar. It's just the custom custom I might have to change possibly. Well another think is that it has no dots on the fretboard, do you think this would take a long time to get used to? Or does it have dots on the neck?
#18
Quote by Sean Duffy
Hmm, the Washburn has a SD 59' in the neck, which I think is fine for now, Mark Morton has 59's in his guitar. It's just the custom custom I might have to change possibly. Well another think is that it has no dots on the fretboard, do you think this would take a long time to get used to? Or does it have dots on the neck?


Or you could get the RGR421EXFM and change the pick-ups to a SD hot rodded set (JB and '59/Jazz). It does not have a trem and I liked it pretty much when I played it.

The Washburn has dots on the side of the neck.
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#19
I have a washburn mate as well as a Ibanez RG7321, the washburn completely destroys the Ibanez in terms of feel. Its only when you spend £700+ that ibanezs start feeling nice to me.

I'm normally not that confident on giving advice when it comes to someones pride and joy but this

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/x50-pro/67531 +

http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/ZH-miracleman.html Bridge position

is money well spent

Check here for pickup reviews

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Electric+Guitar+Pickup/product/Bare+Knuckle+Pickups/Miracle+Man/100/1
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#20
Usually I'd say a Jackson RR3 Rhoads but that's because i want it.

Tbh i think you should get an Epiphone Explorer. they are quite nice.
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#21
not to offend anyone. but the 300 dollar jackson rhoads is complete junk. it just looks cool. i owned one for a whole week. LMFAO
#22
Quote by Sean Duffy
Hey, i'm Sean, im 14, been playing guitar around three years and i've been stuck with a very cheap encore starter guitar and I think it's about time for a new one.

I mostly play metal, however I also enjoy other less heavy rock, and i'd like to be able to get some nice cleans as well as mid to high gain tone.

My budget is £400, but I don't mind if they guitar is slightly less or more than that obviously. I would prefer a fixed bridge, because I would never use a tremelo, and i'd be playing more for that than the rest of the guitar, which I don't want to be doing, so no tremelo. Thats about it, feel free to ask me anything else. And remember this guitar has to be available in the UK.

Two guitars I have played and could get are the Ibanez RGR421EXFM or the Dean Razorback DB

Tbh I think the Ibanez would be more versatile, but please let me know what you think. All help appriciated =]


You can try:
Ibanez RG fixed bridges
Ibanez SA models ( pull-push pot thing's pretty cool, check it out )
Ibanez iceman ( uniquely sexy, but it's just me )
Jackson fixed bridges
PRS SE models ( eg. SE custom 24/ Paul Allender model, really sweet stuff )
Fender Showmaster ( Quite rare to find a 24 fret one though, but possible )
This is my best recommendation for you:

Go down to your guitar shop and just try all the guitars they have in stock.

EDIT: I would say to buy a new amp first. Especially if your amp's a shitty one like those starter packs. Buy a new amp, you'll hear a world of difference.

EDIT again: Oh wait, you have a POD XT, nevermind.
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#23
I would get a sort of Hellraiser. I know Schecter is an American company, but i'm pretty sure they're available in England.they sound great, are easy to play, come with and without trems, and they also look amazing. Wayyy to many people use ibanez.
#24
And also cost around £550/600 in the UK, he'd have to go used, i got mine used for £257
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#25
Quote by Sean Duffy
No, I already said, I don't want a trem >.<

I'll probably get the Washburn, how does it do with metal?


Mine does it fine and I don't even have the one with EMGs
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#26
Quote by Gregoric
Mine does it fine and I don't even have the one with EMGs

Oh awesome, from what iv'e heard, im probably gunna go with the washburn. It seems really good value for money, has good pickups, and plus it has the sexiest finish ever.

I could replace the bridge pickup, but it'l probably be okay for now, i'll be able to do that anytime.

I haven't made my final desicion yet, although im definetly leaning towards the Washburn. Thanks everyone for their help, especially Sharpant. Any more ideas or anything, just post =]