Just work on your technique.

Work on in-tune bends, your vibrato, and learn how to properly phrase solos.

Either way, decent job.
Get an audio interface if you want to record two instruments at the same time.

Since you want to record 2 instruments at a time, firewire is not required. However, I strongly recommend it.

Look into a Focusrite Saffire Pro 24, Profire 610, or a Presonus Firestudio Mobile. These are all good firewire interfaces.

Don't have firewire? Install it through a PCI card, or an ExpressCard if you have a laptop.

Don't want to install it? Settle for a USB (preferably 2.0) interface. I recommend the Tascam US series.


Download Reaper to record into. Audacity is a crippled DAW that is absolutely terrible for recording music.
Quote by dark__echoes
I don't know what kind of crazy super-sensitive hearing you got going on, but all of those pups sound good, if not great, to me.
He thinks that only because he has a lot of boutique gear, pickups included.

Most of us are fine with Seymour Duncan or Dimarzio, but to AM, they sound like garbage simply because he has heard some of the best pickups out there.

I agree with you. I love Duncans and Dimarzio's, but they just do not compare to boutique pickup brands out there (such as WCR's).
Quote by strangedogs
the FREE amps by Acmebargig, LePou, Nick Crow, etc are all quality sims - check out Acmebargig's SHRED
This and TSE.
Quote by hbeck57
thanks for the link . judging by the reviews of the Line 6 POD i think i'll stay away from them for now .
Ignore musicainsfriend reviews and others sites as well. They are total garbage and are often written by people who do not know how to tweak.
Quote by kcorkcar
o Rly?
Yeah really.

Many use ReEQ, ReGate, and ReXcomp tons of times, me included. They get the job done.

Some even use more Re(XXX) plugins that I can not name off the top of my head.
Quote by lockwolf
No its not, Focusrite doesn't do Pro Tools.

Digidesign & M-Audio are the only companies that make interfaces that work with Pro Tools. They are owned by the same company (Avid). M-Audio is essentially like a Squier line to Fender (Digidesign).

Like I said, I'd personally go with a 003 Rack+ Factory. You get a lot of good extra plugins you dont get with the M-Audio and the quality is going to be much better.
Totally forgot about Pro Tools being brand exclusive.

Hell, that is why I don't use Pro Tools.

Ignore what I said.
Quote by lockwolf
Audio Technica AT2020

Reaper can use VST plugins easily.

It comes bundled with many, and a lot of them are of good quality.
Quote by a7x9269
Yep i have looked at both of those and have seen very mixed reviews on both.
What reviews?

I don't know much about the Digidesign, but the M-Audio in general is held in quite high regard on the internet.

Either way, a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 is an option here.
Quote by jof1029
you wont get a pair of moniters worth using for $130. $250-300 is probably the bare minimum that you should look to spend. on a budget, most people seem to recomend the krk rokit 5, which are $150 each.
1. What you need is a DAW. Screw Audacity. Don't get it. It's terrible.

Just download Reaper. Unlimited free trial and very in-expensive licenses.

2. First of all, you need an audio interface to plug microphones into.

Get something like a Focusrite Sapphire Pro 24 or a Presonus Firebox. I like the Tascam US series interfaces, as they are good USB 2.0 intefaces (if you are going the USB route, keep in mind firewire is generally considered optimal).

To record guitar, get a SHURE SM57. Some like the SENNHEISER e609. This is of course if you have a good amp, and have the patience to learn how to mic an amp, and the post processing involved. You can also go DI in with the guitar, and use VST amp simulation. Just type this into google:

guide to vst amp simulation

To record bass, go DI. Some like to blend mic'd bass as well with DI'd tracks, but if you want cost effective, go DI. Your interface will have an instrument in, so just plug your bass into that.

3. Get a program such as Steven Slate Drums, Addictive Drums, or Superior Drummer. Others also like BFD by fxpansion.

Just program through midi.
Any guitar that is solid-body, with high ouput pickups, will do thrash metal.

Everything else is preference.
Up to you.

Do you like how it plays? If so, yeah change out hardware/pickups.

If not, new guitar. Easy as that.
Quote by moody07747
I've tried the behringer BCF2000 in the past and it only lasted 1 month. From day one the faders were very jumpy and extremely noisy.
The fact that it didn't have touch sensitivity didn't help much either as there were times where I was fighting against the motors to tweak something and would end up using the mouse much more than needed even with the control surface on the desk.

As I said before, don't go cheap on control surfaces. If you do you will either end up getting something that doesn't work well or just doesn't last long enough.

example of those jumpy faders:
I heard the newer ones have better motorized faders and such but I can't comment on that myself.

The lack of touch-sensitivity does suck though.
It depends.

Some products such as their AD/DA converters are fairly decent and are used by many.

However, there are other products such as the amps which are mediocre at best IMO.

Really, it all depends on the product, not the name. Ignore the name, and you will some decent Behringer products.
This looks promising!:

And actually, I know many actually like the BCF2000 (Behringer, I know). Despite the reputation of the company, many seem to like this product (and the AD/DA converters)
Quote by Random3
Nah everything with the VK is stock, I havn't replaced anything.

Thanks, I'll try some of that probably tomorrow
I advise to do so then.

Start with the speaker, then the tubes.

I would also get some sort of overdrive (tube screamer) pedal.
Sounds better, but the low end sounds a little loose IMO.

Now I would invest in a tube screamer to tighten the sound. The tube screamer IMO is a must for any metal recording involving tight low end, but that is just me.

Also, I know many people mod their Valveking's to make them sound better. Did you change your speaker? Stock Tubes?

It does sound a little fizzy as well, maybe try EQ'ing a little out of the 9k range or between 5k and 8k. Not too much, or your sound will not cut through.

Also, I like to personally set my low pass at 13k. Maybe try that?

And maybe try making multiple bass tracks, but with different tones. Not multiple takes, but a simple copy and paste of the track. Try a bass track with a low pass at 90hz (sub bass), another track with another high pass at around 200 hz, and another bass track that has another EQ similar to the above, but with distortion. Send this all to a bus track, with compression.

And remember, trust your ears.
Quote by Simsimius
Been said before, but here's what I recommend [out of the commercial products] and for what sounds good:

Any softube product is good enough [ie Vintage Amp Room, for vintage tones]
Amplitube Fender [for cleans]
Peavey Revalver and Guitar Rig 4 [for heavier tones]

Oh, and remember: Impulses can improve the tone from the above programs by a giant amount.
And remember to
Guitar Rig for metal?

I strongly disagree with that. Many others including myself absolutely hate Guitar Rig, especially for metal.

And I also forgot about Overloud TH1. Awesome commercial amp program.
Quote by atmospheric88
If your serious about recording good vocals, then you need a good preamp. great preamps are so crucial. Very crucial
I could move a mic 1 inch and it would have more of an effect then a preamp IMO.

Yeah, good preamps are great to have. But for someone who is just doing covers, or demos, I fail to see a point.

And like moody said, the TS most likely does not want to spend lots of money, and to be honest a good preamp is at least $500, with the better ones being a lot more. (Focusrite ISA One Classic).

And I am sorry, but to tell moody to get his facts straight really is quite ironic... :P
Quote by El3ment380
Would Audacity work as a DAW?
Not really.

Audacity is a crippled DAW. Just download Reaper. It has an unlimited free trial.
-Amplitude 3 I have not tried, but I heard it is good. (Some thought hate 2, the original, and the metal versions however if you come across them)

-Revalver is another most like.
-Pod Farm
-Metal Amp Room
-Waves GTR
-Numerous free amp sims such as ones made by NickCrow, TSE, Acmebargig, and Lepou. (just listed the four more "common" makers of free sims.)

I hate Guitar Rig.
Quote by Random3
Ok I've done a high and low pass of the frequencies you said, at -6.

I'll post a link here of the recording once it's uploaded, I think the tone is sounding a lot better

Heres the recording, let me know what you think
It sounds way better, but it still sounds boomy IMO.

How are you micing the amp? Maybe experiment with different micing positions.

Also, maybe try turning the bass down on your Valveking and let the bass guitar handle the bass frequencies. It seems the guitar sounds like it has too much bass, and really, the best guitar tones are a lot thinner then most think.

And last but not least, Youtube is not the greatest place for us to make correct judgments on your tone. Try dropbox.

Don't get EZdrummer. I am always surprised on why everybody likes it, as it sounds extremely fake IMO.

I'd get Steven Slate Drums instead. Around the same price, but WAY better IMO.


Avoid Guitar Rig 4 and anything to do with Guitar Rig. It sounds like garbage IMO. Amplitude 3 I have heard is pretty good, and I use Pod Farm along with other free amp simulations and get great results.

I recommend the Pod package. A decent interface, and a good amp modeling software is what I think of the Line 6 Package.
What are you using to record your Valveking?
Quote by AkiraSpectrum
also consider the 6505+ which is more versatile than the standard 6505. don't think that the 6505 amps can't do anything other than metal and hard rock because they can do any genre if you set them up properly. but in general yes the jsx is more capable in the versatility arena. i would recommend playing a JSX and 6505+ if you can before you decide.
I still would take a JSX over a 6505+ any day if I wanted versatility.

And yeah, a 6505 can do other genres. Can the 6505+/6505 do them well or as good as the JSX, however?
Get the JSX if you want versatility.

The Peavey 6505 is hard rock and metal only IMO.
Actually, I am pretty sure locking tuners do not hold tuning better, they just make stringing easier.
Quote by handbanana
i wouldn't suggest any crate solid state amps
The older Crates were really good (the GX series).

I was about to buy one, but it sold right before I was about to call.
Quote by archenemyfan
I wouldnt recommend that,it would just be a waste of money,cause he is buying a whole new neck just for the inlays..that is crazy

I will just but a set of stickers from Ebay if I were you

then again,why did you buy it if you dont like it?
Because he most likely liked how it played, and IMO playability>looks.
Not really.

Yeah, some people get away with getting a guitar to sound like the bass with a Pitch Shifter, amp modeler, EQ, etc. but to be honest you are never going to fill the low frequencies really well unless you either:

1. Buy or download a free Bass VSTi.
2. Buy a bass.

Go look up 4front bass. It is a decent free Bass VSTi, that when combined with good plug ins can sound decent. Some good commercials ones I have tried are Trillian and the Scarbee Pre Basses.
Quote by TheDefected
Would it still sound decent?
Because I found this that I was going to ask about:
No don't bother.

The SM57 is a great mic yes, but there are options such as the Sennheiser e609.

Generally, firewire is what is optimal for recording. That does not mean USB is useless however, as USB is great until you start recording more then 4 tracks at a single time (drums).

Generally, go for a USB 2.0 interface if you are going USB. I like the M-Audio Fast Track series and the Tascam US-122/144 series. For firewire, the Presonus firebox is a great interface.
So you want to make beats with a drum program?

Well, get Steven Slate Drums, Addictive Drums, or Superior Drummer. To be honest, I really hate EZdrummer. It sounds incredibly fake when compared to the three above IMO.

You can also get a program such as Slate Trigger or drumagog to trigger drum samples.
Well, for the basic recording studio:

Headphones (optional, but I prefer nice ones)
Mics (for you specifically, guitar and vocals, correct?)
A lot of software, depends however


I would look for a firewire/USB 2.0 interface, with firewire being IMO the better of the two. If you don't have firewire however, USB 2.0 will be fine as long as you do not record more then four tracks at the same time.

The Tascam US-144/122 or the M-Audio Fast Track series are both good USB 2.0 interfaces IMO that suit your needs. For firewire, the PreSonus FireStudio is a great firewire interface, though some argue that firewire is not needed when you are not recording many inputs at once.


On a budget, KRK Rokit 5's seem to be the standard.


Whatever comes with your interface, or Reaper.


I like the Sennheiser HD280's.


This is where it gets a little hard. For guitar, I recommend the Shure SM57 or the Sennheiser e609.

For vocals, however, it depends. A screaming vocalist will use something different than a clean vocalist. A lot of metal vocalists like the Shure SM7B, where as most clean vocalists prefer a nice condenser mic.

To be honest though, picking the right mic is all based on trial and error.


For your drums, Steven Slate Drums IMO is optimal if you want good sounding drums for a cheaper price. There is also Addictive Drums, and Superior Drummer. Check them out.

Also, look into some plugins that load into your DAW. If you don't know about plugins, research it.
I don't know. I always just compressed the hell out of the bass with a 4:1 ratio.
Quote by lockwolf
I've given this story many times but one day on a hunt for monitors, I went into an independent music store in my area (aka, not Guitar Center) and listened to about 12 different pairs of monitors between $100-$500. There were M-Audio, Mackie, KRK, Yamaha and some off brand. The best sounding were the KRK rockits by far. The worse, the Mackies.

I personally liked them, but I guess that is me.