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Quote by blue_strat
old bean

I am amazing my friend.
Lust and wrath.
yeah hahaha giving my girl a glowstick lightshow in a packed rave at about 4 AM..... amazing night
Everyone should do lots of ecstasy.

Take it from me.

Quote by Fat Lard
"The world is full of lonely fools
staring at each other from across the room
wishing they could get up the nerve to speak their minds"

Damn.

Yeah dude.
Been tough dude. Working full time plus full time student. But it doesnt matter because the love of my life gets back from her semester in London on Saturday. So **** all the bullshit. I feel great.

How bout you
If it doesnt make you choke up, even a little bit, you have no soul (and probably no appreciation for beauty, either :p )


http://hypem.com/#/track/1271827/Otis+Gibbs+-+Joe+Hill+s+Ashes
Ive always felt I had to. About all the standard things -- drinking, smoking, staying out, etc. Ironically the only thing I've never lied about was sex. I've always felt so passionately that sex isn't really a big deal that I've always been straight up about it. The first time I slept at a girls house when I came home the next day my dad was like "Where did you sleep?" And I was like "in bed". And he goes... "Did you get laid?" And I was like "Yup. Wheres the cereal". But that was the only thing I really managed to be honest about. Looking back from an adult perspective I wish I'd been more honest.
When I start having trouble lighting my own cigarette is generally when I know I'm about to or have already gone over the edge, and at that point its probably too late anyway. So I keep drinking until the night's over or I black the **** out.
Quote by Mudmen190
Smoking is a moronic thing to do. I'm not a moron. Ergo, I do not smoke.

You kind of shitheads are why I hate nonsmokers. Its fine if you dont want to smoke but dont judge us for it. People like you make me want to light up under every no-smoking sign, throw my butts everywhere, and blow smoke directly at others.

Think smokings dumb? Walk away. Otherwise you can suck my dick while I enjoy this cigarette.
Also I still like smoking in the winter. Just not weed. In the winter I smoke so many cigarettes its not even funny. It's pretty scary, actually.
I guess the question is more.... why would I spend money on weed when I could spend it on booze? I mean, in the summer, I drop 100s of dollars on good weed, because something about sparking up under a beautiful blue sky is just perfect and being high all day in beautiful weather just makes the weather and everything else that much better. But in the fall/winter months, getting high actually just tends to depress the living daylights out of me. Like I'll be all "hell yeah lets wreck a blunt" or something and then we'll smoke and I'll get mad baked... and just start thinking about all the shit I have to get done and about how crappy the weather is etc. etc. etc.

But liquor! My friends, booze is the cure to depression. Actually, that sounds bad. I don't mean that. But its the cure to cold, shitty, weather and working too hard all the time.

It seems times when I have fewer things to worry about are for weed. Maybe weed is for the champs. I don't know.
I smoke cigarettes.

I work 50 plus hours a week doing back breaking physical labor. So I smoke cigarettes. Count your small blessings. I guess in some ways I "regret" starting because I know its going to kill me eventually. But really I don't care. That little buzz after throwing 100 pound bales around for 3 hours I get when I suck down a Camel or two is worth it. Plus I like hearing all the non-smokers whine at me. Yeah, I know its killing me. Guess what? My life is ****ing hard, I don't care. I'm going to smoke.

Same story for drinking. Don't even get me started on the non-drinkers. What the hell else are you going to do with your life if you dont drink.
In my mind, a "mainstream" song from 00 and a "mainstream" song from '10 are generally enormously different.

But aside from that, I really dislike this derogatory "mainstream music" term. What's wrong with "mainstream" music? "Mainstream" music is music that a lot of people like. From an objective standpoint, if a lot of people like something, its probably at least halfway decent. Maybe you don't like it, but why? Do you dislike it simply because a lot of other people like it? If so, grow the **** up.
Quote by HelpTravesty
Raves are really fun. Love is incredible. Cigarettes are good (Camel regulars for me) Hockey is the only remotely interesting sport to watch.

Fo sho.

You sir are my kind of guy
Hot.

Because being really hot is just very uncomfortable.

But being really cold ****ing HURTS.
Guys.

Long time no talk but uh... life is on point kids. Yeah still working out, still loving my girlfriend a stroke shy of a heart attack.

But also. I'm really into the rave scene now. Candyflipping is the single most orgasmic experience on earth and trust me at peak roll and peak trip you're so happy you feel like you're about to burst. Add in a strobe light, a hot girl, and beat thats JUSSSSSST about to drop in like Thor's hammer and its amazing you dont just break down and cry right there.

And I'm drinking a lot. Every day. Lets get smashed fellas sober is no way to live life.

Im also smoking cigarettes now. Bad decision I know. Where'r my goddamn newport 100s?

And I got back into hockey. Its been too long.
It's def. manslaughter. I just dont think the guy should be locked up for it.
Quote by Thrashtastic15
Do you understand what manslaughter is?

Yes. I didn't see this thread as a question of WHETHER THOSE ACTIONS WOULD RESULT IN A CONVICTION, but whether they SHOULD. So yes, case C is manslaughter through and through, by the books, and the guy would get locked up. However, I don't think that, ideally, things should end up that way.
Quote by Lemoninfluence
the fact that they were drunk implies that they weren't in the right mind to properly give consent.

Ignoring the fact that under UK law, consent is irrelevant past a certain point of harm, they both willingly sought to hurt each other. This resulted in a death.

nobody should be held accountable for it?

If I fought another man and accidentally killed him, drunk or not, living with that would be almost unbearable. The key word here is accidental. In the example given the man was punched and then tripped, falling on his head. That was not intended by his opponent, thus, in my mind, his opponent deserves no legal action.
Quote by Thrashtastic15
I see your point, however in most cases there will be more information available which tends to determine whether or not you can use self-defense as a valid defense. One, which is repeated instances of abuse, we have established in our scenario. What we lack is if there is any information from the beating to the stabbing. If the husband in any way threatens the woman or makes her feel like her life is in danger, due to battered women's syndrome being considered a legitimate psychiatric condition in a court of law and (at least Canada's) self defense laws, we can apply self defense as a valid defense. In other situations I'm not quite so sure, I haven't looked in to them at this point. Unlike lemon I'm a few years behind.


Awesome, I've got full time work assisting in a legal department but I'd much rather be studying at uni. I'm jealous.

Admittedly, I wasn't taking into account the psychological damage that could be present from previous abuses. It would have to be case by case, I suppose.
Quote by Lemoninfluence


you don't have a problem with the fact that this consent was given while drunk?

No, unless only ONE person was drunk, and even then not unless the drunk guy was the guy who got killed.
Quote by Diamond Dave
yeah but what if you consider athletics, when was the last time you saw a white guy win the 100m sprint at the olympics? Or the 10,000m? Not everyone is born equal and ancestry plays a huge role in peoples genetics, why do you think there are black and white people in the first place?

Why couldn't this also apply to intelligence? Just to be clear I agree with you entirely on the whole socio-economic stuff playing an enormous role but all I'm saying is in the absence of that it would be interesting to see what happens.

Hahaha blacks are NOT physically superior to whites.
Quote by Thrashtastic15
What's the reasoning behind that?

Well the last two I see as self defense. The first is purely accidental. And C, while certainly not worthy of accolades, I don't see as requiring a harsh punishment because both parties were inebriated and up for the fight.

But in case B, I see stabbing to death as being on a different tier than beatings. Now, I in now way support or condone domestic abuse or those who take part in it, but I don't believe that killing is an appropriate response to non-lethal actions. It sure sucks that the woman gets beat on, but killing her husband should land her right in the clinker.
IMO the only one of these that calls for imprisonment is B.
Not talking shit about him behind his back on the internet might be a good way to start.
Im serious show your dad some respect and start acting like an adult.
What I get from this thread is that most of UG is a bunch of skinny little outcasts. Man up, eat, exercise, put on some weight. Start taking responsibility for your own life and your dads, who sound mostly like real men, will recognize it and start treating you with some respect. But if you keep up with the poor-put-upon-weak-child shit they'll keep bangin on you. Grow up. Let your nuts drop already ffs.
I dont pretend to be a sociological scientist, but this is from experience: I've yet to meet a (young) black man who could in any way be perceived as intelligent. Interestingly, I've met plenty of intelligent, young, black WOMEN.

Seems to me black men are just idiots, probably due to the prevailing black culture at the moment. Older black guys seem alright.

And I know plenty of idiotic white men as well, it just seems there are enough decently intelligent/competent white men that it balances out.

/ready for yells of "racist"
Good responses you guys. Lots to think about.
Quote by TheBurningFish
If that's not assuming importance, I don't know what is. I've watched the sun rise, but I didn't fall over myself getting to the local parish.

Not every sunset felt like that sunset. I'm not saying every time you watch a sunset you'll feel the same way. I'm asking if you've had similar moments.
All I did was list personal experiences of mine that have influenced my spiritual decisions. There was no assumption of dignity or importance. I literally cannot understand what you're talking about.
How am I being pretentious? At all?

EDIT: You could also say, "Beware accusations of personal failure, the atheists are using them now."
Read the edit, as well.
Quote by Zoot Allures
The 'soul' is the same kinda crap as 'god', it's never had any evidence for it. Conciousness is all that the person is, and conciousness and the brain are not seperate , to be concious as a human you need a working brain, if the brain goes then 'you' go.

By soul I mean consciousness, or more specifically, personality. There is still no way of explaining free will. And if our brains all have the same basic physical makeup, and you're assuming that our consciousness is solely the product of interactions within the brain, then there's no explaining differing personalities.

Now, I've heard the "free will" argument before -- that it's just an illusion. But is it really? I can either click submit or not.

I choose to click submit.

EDIT: And I would argue that there's plenty of evidence for the existence of a god, from an experience-based standpoint. Ever watched an animal being born (better yet, ever helped an animal be born)? Ever seen the sun set over the fields, and seen the way the whole of nature gradually goes to sleep? Ever spent an entire afternoon with someone you really love, just watching the day pass and actually feeling every moment of it? There are moments in my life where I have felt the presence of something greater than myself, whether as an entity or simply a vast body of positive energy.
Quote by Kensai
You mean a score for the afterlife?

Score might not be the right word. But the idea that everyone just disappears in the same meaningless manner, regardless of who they were or how they lived their life.... I don't like it.
Quote by TheBurningFish
Well if I emotionally feel that I shouldn't be in debt and can't bring myself to believe that I could be so stupid as to borrow from loan sharks, that doesn't make the situation go away. That's why.

That's hypothetical by the way.

That applies perfectly well but only when you're dealing with something that can be perceived with the senses. Spirituality/death/religion is different. I can't physically see that my friends' souls no longer exist, just like I could never see them when their bodies were present. Since we don't yet fully understand death I would argue that that particular argument invalidating emotion does not apply.
Quote by TheBurningFish
My reply, again:

Nice blog, apart from the fact that what you can or can't make yourself believe has no baring on reality.

"Effect" is probably a better word.

I know. I know. I know.

My emotions are stronger than my logical impulses. Consider this, though: why do we put more value in what our minds tell us than what our emotions tell us? Really no one is more valid than the other.
Well moments ago this was its own thread, but it's now been locked, so, voila:

Recently I've been wondering if maybe atheists are just the very luckiest among us. For years I was an atheist, and while life was far from perfect from an objective standpoint I had very little to complain about. However, the past 2 years (including this summer, although it was the best three months of my life and achieved a peak point of joy that I will probably never attain again) have seen the death of a great number of my friends, as well as the gradual self-destruction of others. These are people that I love dearly. And over the course of the process I have come to terms with the following:

1) I can't make myself believe that those who have died are simply erased, with no hope of ever returning to what was or starting fresh... that their beautiful selves were simply freaks of chance that lived briefly on a speck of rock in the middle of absolute emptiness and were then obliterated forever. I can't make myself believe that. If I believe that, I'll probably go crazy.

2) I can't make myself believe that those who have begun the fall are left with nothing except the prospect of continued misery and eventual demise. These are good people. In most cases they cannot be said to deserve what has befallen them. They can't be alone. I can't believe in a universe where the terms "good" and "justice" are just relative nothings. Somehow a score has to be kept. Those who are warm, who do well by others... they can't be so expendable.

Additionally, these events have drawn me closer to the people who I love and who are still untouched. And the idea that these people might someday have their goodness crushed by malice, or their innocence defiled, or even that they might someday cease to exist, complete with all of their memories, and quirks, and experiences, forever, is crushing to me.

In short: I believe in a god, however you want to define it, simply because I cannot reconcile the loss of good and of innocence with an empty universe.

You can either choose to tell me why I am wrong, or weigh in with your own feelings -- is atheism simply the logical position of those who have not experienced loss, or seen good destroyed?
Recently I've been wondering if maybe atheists are just the very luckiest among us. For years I was an atheist, and while life was far from perfect from an objective standpoint I had very little to complain about. However, the past 2 years (including this summer, although it was the best three months of my life and achieved a peak point of joy that I will probably never attain again) have seen the death of a great number of my friends, as well as the gradual self-destruction of others. These are people that I love dearly. And over the course of the process I have come to terms with the following:

1) I can't make myself believe that those who have died are simply erased, with no hope of ever returning to what was or starting fresh... that their beautiful selves were simply freaks of chance that lived briefly on a speck of rock in the middle of absolute emptiness and were then obliterated forever. I can't make myself believe that. If I believe that, I'll probably go crazy.

2) I can't make myself believe that those who have begun the fall are left with nothing except the prospect of continued misery and eventual demise. These are good people. In most cases they cannot be said to deserve what has befallen them. They can't be alone. I can't believe in a universe where the terms "good" and "justice" are just relative nothings. Somehow a score has to be kept. Those who are warm, who do well by others... they can't be so expendable.

Additionally, these events have drawn me closer to the people who I love and who are still untouched. And the idea that these people might someday have their goodness crushed by malice, or their innocence defiled, or even that they might someday cease to exist, complete with all of their memories, and quirks, and experiences, forever, is crushing to me.

In short: I believe in a god, however you want to define it, simply because I cannot reconcile the loss of good and of innocence with an empty universe.

You can either choose to tell me why I am wrong, or weigh in with your own feelings -- is atheism simply the logical position of those who have not experienced loss, or seen good destroyed?