I decided I'm not getting as far as I want to be in my music, so I decided I need to make a practice schedule. I want to include Music Theory, Analyzing other songs, Technique, and of course learning new songs, am I missing out anything important that I should probably be adding in? I've never practiced by a schedule before, so any help I can get is welcome.
What I'm doing right now is simply getting the timing down for every ong that has this slowly with a metronome. This is an easy way to do it, and works for one song at a time, but if you want to get good at the technique you need to find a way for it to become natural, and not think about both the bass and melody line at different times and put it together, like how I do it now.
yup, thats right, now that you got that, you can start learning stuff from that.
One example, you were wondering what all the degrees meant, well they pretty much mean a certain sound of a scale (which is why it was hard to explain, I can't really explain sounds), and you now know which chords have which degree, so you can listen to those chords, and find out what that scale degree sounds like compared to the others.
It does get a little more complex then that, but thats the basics. you can also test that by playing it in another minor key. If you do it right, it should sound the same no matter what minor key you're in, because the scale degrees are all the same.
If you have any other questions, go ahead and ask, but to sum it up, when your analyzing, pick something you want to learn more about, and look at that in there song, you don't have to follow any analyzing patterns, just make sure you're getting something out of it.
That's pretty much it for the parts... let me know if there's anything else you need
P.S - I guess my question boils down to: I know my CAGED shapes, I know most of my theory, my ears are decent as in I can learn songs by ear, but my question is I think, what do I do now? How to I put it all together? I figured analyzing songs would help, but I don't what to look for or how to do it, I guess.... Thanks, again guys
Never Heard that song before, it's pretty awesome!
Anyway, seems like you got the key and the chords right, which is good, cuz I messed up on the key when I just analyzed it until I rechecked it.
So the next thing you need to do is to ask yourself what else you want to learn this song. We were talking about scale degrees earlier, so lets try that, can you name the scale degree of each of the chords?
I'll tell you what I do, but if you find a better way, go with that, because I don't really like this way, it just kind of works.
I usually get extreemly bored writting my songs, but I don't quit no matter how bored I get. When it's finally finnished and I end up completely hating my song, I put it away somewhere for about a month, never listen to it, play it or think about it, and usually when I come back to it, it won't be so boring anymore. Then I can clean it up and finnish the final draft when I'm not so bored of it anymore.
This way has a ton of problems, but it works for me...
If you don't know theory, you are mediocre guitarist, just playing to show off...
Theory has almost nothing to do with how good of a guitarist you are, it will help you be a better musician, which can indirectly help your guitar playing, but you can't say someone is a mediocre guitarist because they don't know theory!
Okay, so it's in C major.... how do I analyze it further to understand how the chords work / fit together and how the differ in sections? How does moving to the F chord in the interlude work? etc... I really appreciate the help
Do you understand scale degrees? (Tonic, Dominant, Subdominant etc.)
If not, I would suggest figuring that out before you try to analyze too deep.
You had some good points later in your post, but this is NOT how modes work at all. You can't just start a major scale on a different note and say you're playing in a different mode. Modes are defined by the musical context, and require a modal structure.
By your logic, if I played a Dm - G - Am progression, that would be a simple i - IV - v in D Dorian. This isn't correct, because this progression does not resolve to the D minor chord. That progression would simply be in A minor, without any further context.
I wasn't trying to explain how to play Dorian modes, just how to analyze them. I could be wrong though, but aren't the chords used the same as in its relative Major scale? or is that just the notes?
Oh, and can this also work for modal (Dorian, etc...) kind of progressions? (still with power-chords).... and, if the song starts on a minor chord and ends on a major, what then?
Thanks for the help
as long as you know the key of the song, it will work for anything.
Heres and example with C Major vs D Dorian, so you can see how it just pretty much works the same:
C = I Dm = i
Dm = ii Em = ii
Em = iii F = III
F = IV G = IV
G = V Am = v
Am = vi Bo = vi
Bo = vii C = VII
Since C Major and D Dorian have the same chords in them, all you have to do is start at the root for that mode (Dm) and follow from there exactly like the Major scale, but starting with i at the root note.
If a song starts on a minor and ends on a Major, it doesn't change how you would analyze it.
If I take the key of C Major, and put in this chords progression for example:
Am - F - Em - C (starts as a minor and ends as a major)
then I would simply write it as vi - IV - iii - I, if the chord progression ends on a minor or a major shouldn't effect this part of analyzing at all.
I could be wrong, but that video sounds like the Minor Scale, not the Aeolian Mode (yes there is a difference). The Minor Scale is Diatonic, and the Aeolian Mode is modal, they use the exact same notes, but they are still different. It's actually very hard to play the Aeolian Mode because it wants to keep going to the Minor Scale.
I think the key to soloing in the genre you want is not the scale your using, but how you're using the scale. You can make almost any scale sound like any genre you want. I would suggest looking into learning about phrasing, when I learned this, my soloing improved a ton.
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What can I use to improve my rock style soloing? I learn various solos but often times when I try to elaborate I'll hit wrong notes.
Are you just learning different Rock style solos, or are you actually analyzing them as well. Just learning different solos in the genre you want will help, but if you analyze them you could get much more out of it. Try to pay attention to everything that is going on in the solo, and how they combine the notes to get the sound they want.
Also, and a lot of people on this forum won't like this, I always thought that technique was much more important than theory when it comes to soloing. I usually use theory when writing music and other stuff like that, but it never really improved my playing, thats because theory has nothing to do with guitar, it helps with the music, not playing the instrument. The techniques I would work on for solos like this would be Alternate Picking, Vibrato, and Sweep Picking (towards the end). Check out the Guitar Technique forum to learn about those. And out of the three of those, vibrato would probably be the most important. The other two just help you play faster, but vibrato actually adds emotion to your music.
I found a very good lesson at least on the music theory side, not so much strictly guitar, but the lesson was kind of designed for guitarists. Anyway, it pretty much covered from the most basic music theory up to modes, and it was very easy to understand. I'll try to find it, and post it, also if anyone else knows what I'm talking about, you can post it too, I'm not so sure I'll be able to find it again.
To the people who suggested the "just write lyrics for someone else" option: I don't want someone to pass off my thoughts and feelings as their own.
Sometimes you're just gonna have to compromise some things in order to keep doind what you want to do.
Now if you really don't like playing music anymore, go ahead and quit, you may regret it later, but you may not. But if you do still enjoy playing music, being able to sing shoudn't matter, you should be able to find ways around any problems you might come up with.
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I'd like to quit music too. I'm not the best guitar player, I'm not the best pianist, hell I can't sing to save my life. I struggle with reading music, disciplining myself with learning guitar techniques, and when someone plays in front of me, I feel like I'm so behind everyone. Like I should just go home, hang up the guitars forever, and quit playing. Everyone I see is so much better than me. I get rejected from bands, from people, from myself too.
But I don't quit. You know why? Because music is fun. It's a part of me. It's my lifestyle. I may not be very good at it, but I enjoy it. That's the only motivation I need to continue. If it makes you happy, do it. Just because you can't play guitar and sing for other people doesn't mean you should completely give up on music.
+1 This guy is making the best out of what he has, he doesn't let any of the problems he's having beat him, he's sticking with it.
The emotion you put into it. Whatever you have to change to get the feel you want the song to get across.
Totally agree, the notes and the chords don't matter nearly as much as the emotion behind them, and how they are played. I would define the most important part of a solo as the style it is played in (how the notes are played, emotion, phrasing, and all that.)
Out of the two choices you gave, I would say that both the notes and the chords are both very important, but you can't really make a solo out of chords (easily) so I would have to go with the notes. Much easier to play a solo without chords than without individual notes.
i tip them what i can...which is usually $1-2. i was just saying that i tip them considerably less than waiters or waitresses.
and i do get food myself 90% of the time. i barely order out. like i said, i don't have the money.
well, i've never had the same guy deliver to me twice.
when i order food, chances are i'm busy and can't go get it myself, so no i'm not sitting on my lazy ass.
i do tip. just not nearly as much as i would someone in a diner.
I guess if someones delivering to a college student, they probably aren't expecting the biggest tip, cuz you're probably pretty tight on money, so I guess thats not to bad. I usually average about 3 - 5 bucks when I get tipped.
as a college student i personally don't have the money to tip so generously to someone i see for a grand total of a minute. sorry.
plus i only order from Papa Johns and from what i've read, Papa John's delivery guys make more money than any other pizza chain so my remorse is at a bare minimum.
Jut because you are only seeing them for a minut doesn't mean they aren't working their butts off for you! When they are at your door is not the only amount of time they spend on you, they also have to drive to and from your house so you can sit on your lazy ass! And you don't have to tip a ton either, just know that they do a lot more for you then most people think they do.
And Papa Johns may make more, but they also spend just as much, or more (because of more customers) on gas and car repairs car repairs, which ads up to a lot when they are driving constantly for hours every day.
And if none of that affected you at all, also remember that Pizza Guys will almost always remember if you are a good tipper or not, and they have a lot of pizzas to deliver. They may not want to deliver a pizza to a bad tipper as quickly as anyone else...
How do you go about tipping people? And when and what is appropriate to tip?
Some things are pretty easy to figure out like a taxi and dinner at your local eating place, but some things are more tricky. How about movers? Pizza delivery guy? Of course service, time etc come into play.
I consider myself a generous tipper. What about you guys? what and how do you tip people?
Also, feel free to tell if you deserved a tip and got nothing.
I'm a pizza delivery guy, and if people don't tip me I get TICKED! Usually you want to tip the pizza guys extra, since your tip is paying for their gas...
Quickly skimming through those links (emphasize the "quickly"), it looks like they don't use anything more complex than the major or natural minor scale.
I'm sure their sound is actually less about the scales they use, and more about how they use them.
I didn't look at the links yet, but for the most part, you can't really identify a band based on the scales they use. Like Food1010 said, most bands don't get their sound from the scales they use, but how they use them.
I'll listen to them anyway though, and see if there's anything I can add.
Just listen to the song, and try to pick out each time he hits the strings, I'm not sure how long you've been playing, but it's usually something you should pick up really fast.
Also, you don't have to strum the pattern perfectly. I actually kind of find it annoying to play a song exactly how they wrote it, I would suggest playing with the same "feel" that Jason Mraz plays it in, and you'll sound fine, even if your strum pattern isn't exactly perfect.
When you're speaking of solos you're talking about a wide spectrum of possible problems, even if you're just trying to play other peoples solos. But if you want to get better at playing solos I guess you could break it down into this..
1: Technique. http://www.justinguitar.com/ has an exercise called finger gym that's good for some basic hammerons and pull offs using all your fingers, and I think there is a similar exercise on this website as well. As far as bends go, practicing to hit certain notes will help improve your bends. Vibratos is something I constantly watch and read on, and try to improve on.. though there isnt a great exercise other than listening to others and trying to emulate theirs. In general, any exercise or practice with techniques will help you play solos.
2: Speed) Playing with a metronome, crap loads of videos and exercises discussing this. Hand tension (from the thumb to the fingers) and finger strength, again their are topics out there about this all over.
2.5: Scales) You can use scales for all of the above PLUS just practicing scales will help you move get comfortable moving your fingers.
3: Practice) Just keep practicing solos, take it one phrase at a time.. make that first phrase your goal. Start by memorizing the pattern, the first part of speed is memory. Then work to the point you can play it faster (dont so much worry about keeping the actual songs tempo, though sometimes it just happens subconsciously) Then play it to the song over and over again till you know you have it.
4: Theory) If you ever want to create your own solos, understanding how the solo was created can help you. Realizing what key they're playing in, what scale, ect ect. The more you can learn from the song, the better you'll be in the long run.
Also.. just learning one solo at a time, one song at a time means the next song will be easier. The more songs you learn, the more your fingers and mind get use to certain patterns, moving in different ways, then before you know it you'll only need a few run throughs before you can play a song.
I agree with almost everything said. The part I bolded not so much. Although patterns are important, it is still very important to get used to playing the tempo right every time when you can (unless you can't play it yet, and still trying to build up your speed).
Just my opinion, the rest is great advise by the way.
Are you wanting to learn to play other people's solos, or improv your own. If you want to learn to improv your solos, I would suggest getting a strong understanding of the major, minor, and pentatonic scales (pentatonic mainly for starting out).
Then I would suggest finding or putting together some backing tracks, or finding some friends to play with you, and just start messing around.
Write all the time. Even if you're not writing songs, just keep writing about anything.
For example, I just started writing in a journal, because I was having problems of thinking of something to write about. After a week or two of writing in the journal, not only did I get writing experience, I also had two weeks of things going on in my life that I thought were important, that I could write a song about. mabey you could try something like that too.
Start off slow enough that you can play it perfectly, without any mistakes, using a metronome. After that, slowly increase your speed, making sure you can play it at that speed perfectly before you move to the next speed, until you get to full speed.
I know that's what everyone says about everything, but that's because it works.
I'm not so sure I agree. This is very similar to what I've been trying to do, and I do find the more I answer the more I learn, but it doesn't exactly help with my actual music. i feel like I know all this theory, but my music isn't improving all that much. Right now I'm trying to find some way to get out of the habbit of answering everyone elses questions, without being able to apply it myself.
I would say it's good to help on these forums, as long as it doesn't get in the way of YOUR music.
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The best way to internalize theory is to use it, to put it into practise. Theres too many people with a vast theory knowledge yet their MP3s (or lack of) don't match the knowledge.
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What I notice is that people are often eager to give out advice beyond their own experience.
I would say that Ideally, posting advice here (and teaching in general) is a good way to refresh and reinforce things that you've already internalized through actual experience.
If you internalize it while giving advice, your asking others to pay the price.