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we play metal,but not the shredding type, i plan to tech him as we go along but i need to know he atleast has some basic skills

In this case, something by Godsmack or Rammstein would be perfect.
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Thats what YOU hear

No, that's what anyone who even has the slightest knowledge of what music is hears.

To millions of other people, myself included, those 'gay' bands write heartfelt, emotional music that has, and will continue, to help people

MCR, fall out boy, hawthorne heights, etc. don't count as music. And no, they don't write meaningful, heartfelt anything. They're just another in the long line of corporate generated emo, pop punk, etc. garbage that's being pumped out constantly now. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it very quickly, or at least hopefully you will.

Although, I do give them credit for not being rap/hip hop/r&b or whatever it's called now. But that's all they get.

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MCR saved me, and I know hundreds of other people who feel the same

This statement just reinforces that they are, in fact, emo garbage and nothing more than a passing fad. And saved you from what, exactly?

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I dont know what music you listen to, but I wouldn't be such a ****ing dick about them towards you, even if I hated them

I'm not being a dick, I'm just stating facts. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

And FYI, I'll listen to anything but that crap. Examples:

Ozzy, BLS, Graveyard BBQ, Firewind, Kiuas, Alice In Chains, Godsmack, Disturbed, Rammstein, Anthrax, Metallica, Megadeth, The Bloodhound Gang, Dethklok, Dragonforce, Enter The Haggis, Boston, Foreigner, George Thorogood, Helloween, Iced Earth, Iron Maiden, Jimi Hendrix, Judas Priest, Led Zepplin, Lordi, Lamb Of God, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Maximum The Hombre, The Offspring, Pennywise, Pantera, Pink Floyd, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rob Zombie, Rush, Soundgarden, Symphony X, System Of A Down, Tool, ZZ Top, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Dream Theater, 10 Years, 3 Doors Down, Sublime, 5 Finger Death Punch, etc., etc., etc.

Just to name a few. Christ, I'll even put some country on my stereo before I ever willingly listen to the likes of MCR or fallout boy.
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Morbid Angel = Death Metal, Carcass = Grindcore, In Flames = Melodic Death Metal, BTBAM = Progressive Metal

THIS is screamo, and yes, I do listen to bands with clean vocals, let me see...

Radiohead, Coldplay, Muse, DragonForce (a guilty pleasure), Iron Maiden, Metallica, ****ing Bob Marley!

I repeat, its called variation, dont be afraid of it!

+1 for those bands in bold, fail for all that other noise you listed.

And just to let you know, grindcore is just a word people came up with to cover up the fact that those bands are just screamo in disguise. And In Flames are not Death Metal. Steaming, heaping pile of cow sh*t would be more appropriate here.

Another thing- bands that all I hear when they sing is "emo emo emo I suck d!ck emo emo emo I like it in the ass from big black men emo emo emo time to go slit my wrists now emo emo emo" do not qualify as good music (i.e.- My gay chemical romance, f@gout boy, etc.).
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I listen to MCR, my hearings fine and I'm not gay

Also, before you start calling me a 'gay emo pussy' or some such ****, I also listen to Morbid Angel, Carcass, In Flames and Between The Buried And Me, to name a few.

It called variation

You just completely contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

And all those bands=unintelligible screamo crap. Do you listen to anything that you can understand the 1st time you hear it without looking at the lyrics?

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any advice for convincing my parents?

Tell them about a little band called Black Tide.

Seriously, none of their members are older than 19 or 20, and they've already played the main stage at Ozzfest and were one of the main acts on the second stage at Mayhem Fest.
My Chemical Romance - Teenagers *engages flame shield*
+1 to the Fallout Boy and Rise Against

So you want him to get hit on by every insanely flaming homo in the place? Because you do realize that's the only kind of people that listen to that garbage. That and deaf people.

B.Y.O.B.- System of A Down

This is your only logical choice.

Do it, you know you wanna.
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Try learning songs from a genre you don't usually play. Also, switching instruments is always good.

Or just toke for inspiration.

Weed usually f*cks my hand eye coordination in the @sshole, and I can't play for sh*t while high. I suggest not doing this. Although what I've found that works is listen to some stuff while high and it'll give you ideas for different riffs that you can go back to after you've come down (if you can remember anything at that point, lol).
The Boston area is also very strong right now. Perfect example:
If you're only all 14, not many people are going to take you seriously until they see you play live, especially not labels. Most other bands won't even take you seriously at that age unless you can play like a mo'fo (i.e.- Black Tide).
Seriously, if you want a great music scene, move to southern NJ or the Philly area. There's still the emo/screamo crap floating around here like a turd in the toilet bowl (which, coincidentally, is what it happens to be anyway), but it's dying out around here. The metal bands around here have their sh*t together and are all top quality. Sure, a lot still scream, but it's not the overwhelming aspect to their vocals either.
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Let's see...

Lead Guitar ( me): Lots of ideas, rubbish at explaining them, quite relaxed about things, tendancy to nail the hard parts then screw up the easy bits.

Singer: Serious when we're practicing but a really nice guy, always encouraging and listening to everyone else. Bloody good voice.

Rhythm Guitar: Really enthusiastic, talks alot and laughs alot.

Bassist: Talks and laughs alot more than above. Really excitable and enthusiastic as well, tends to get ill alot ( )

Drummer: Really quiet and shy but damn good at what he does and offers his ideas but only if you ask him.

To be fair I think I've ended up with a fairly cool group of people

So you have musical autism?
Basically wh0re yourselves out, with the exception of pay to play gigs. Talk to anyone and everyone who'll listen to you about your band and ask them to check you out, then when (and if) you see them again, ask them if they've checked you guys out until they have. Get someone who knows how to work a myspace page to do yours up real nice. If you have a gig coming up, post flyers on telephone poles at all major intersections near you and in music stores if they let you.

Also, I second the motion about the promoters. They know what they're doing and can vastly help you out.
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Hey dont bash on high vocals, there are lot of great hard rock/ metal singers that had high voices... look at DIO for example - heck alter bridge is pretty BA also.

I wasn't bashing high vocals, I was bashing the emo-crap bands around here that dress like they're no more than 12 years old.
Guitar (me): I work a lot, but always up for practices whenever possible, but also extremely lazy. I do get stuff done song-wise when at home, but prefer to do it at practices as stuff flows more easily then.

Drummer- Paranoid as f*ck of offending black pplz. Also very busy with work and school. Also wants to get high every second of the day. He can't practice when his parents are home because they're complete d!ckholios, therefore can't really progress that far. His timing also needs work.

Bassist- very laid back, loves all the same sh*t I do, but is also the hardest out of the 3 of us to get to practices because he lives almost an hour away and also works a lot. Isn't too big a fan of drinking or smoking though, but we're cool with it.

We still need a singer and another guitarist, and possibly a keyboardist.
It depends on your band's genre and set list already. You can always learn a new song to cover too. With my band, we all suggest a cover, listen to the songs suggested, and pick the group favorite out of the list.

We haven't really pinpointed what we are exactly yet, but my playing style has been described as if Godsmack and Alice in Chains got together and started making heavier stuff with some Lamb of God and Zakk Wylde thrown in. We haven't played any shows yet, but like I said, in a 4 or 5 song set list, we're going to throw in 1 cover. A 3 song or less set list will be all originals.

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What dont you have down on for whom the bell tolls?

coz that would be a cool cover

I'm still working on the part that kicks in at 1:17 that Kirk plays.

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Find some better Priest songs.

We would do Painkiller, but again, I can't sweep for the love of god. That, and my drummer fails out of long double bass sections with 10 million beats per minute.

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Cover some Helloween!

I was actually tooling around with the main/intro riff to The Time Of The Oath the other day. Sounded pretty badass.

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depends where you play take into thought alot of bars like covers cause introducing new music to people expecting dance tunes is risky. not saying you should do all covers but my band is the opposite of you and we are doing alright we do like 10 covers for every 1 original.. atke for granted we do like 4 sets of 10ish songs a gig.

Surprisingly, southern NJ has a LOT of bars, catering halls, venues, etc. that cater to metal. It's practically all that you can hear besides that whiney, my balls haven't dropped yet and I'm an angst filled, rich, spoiled, tweeny brat emo crap. Guess which bands normally win battle of the band competitions out here more often?

Hessians, ftw.

And we know how to market ourselves to the different venues and our target fanbase, it's just getting off the ground that's the hard part.
I was wondering about something- once I get some gigs started with my band (we're going to play mostly originals, like maybe 1 cover per set), I'd like to do some covers. I have a pretty decent list of songs I can play to choose from, and I was wondering in a 5 song set list, which of these should we do? I'll list them how I have them down:

Can play perfectly

Aerials- System Of A Down (We're most likely going to settle on this as our cover for 75-90% of our gigs as me, the bassist, and drummer all have it down perfectly note for note)
Dammit- Blink 182
Time Of Your Life (Good Riddance)- Greenday
Brain Stew (without Jaded)- Greenday
Tetris- That Russian dude
Ich Will- Rammstein
Zwitter- Rammstein
Feuer Frei!- Rammstein
Breaking The Law- Judas Priest
The Beautiful People- Marylin Manson
Balls Out- Bloodhound Gang

Almost have them down perfectly

Du Hast- Rammstein (I hate weird @ss rhythyms)
Links 2, 3, 4- Rammstein
Super Mario Bros. Theme- Some Japanese dude
Vampires- Godsmack
No Hard Feelings- Bloodhound Gang

Needs work

Awaken- Dethklok (I still can't sweep for the love of god)
Fansong- Dethklok
Livin In Sin- Godsmack
For Whom The Bell Tolls- Metallica
The Zephyr Song- Red Hot Chili Peppers

Going to start working on

Getting Away With Murder- Papa Roach
Hell Bent For Leather- Judas Priest
Knocked Down- Pennywise
Comfortably Numb- Pink Floyd
Hey You- Pink Floyd
Wish You Were Here- Pink Floyd
Cabron- Red Hot Chili Peppers
Dirt- Alice In Chains
Man In The Box- Alice In Chains
Bodies- Drowning Pool
I would suggest a fender amp of some sort. Even though they're made for cleaner sounds, if you get a nice pedal, you can get some sick distortion out of them.
nothing's set in stone right now, and like I said we basically just have 2 finished songs right now and 2 more we're working on. It's nothing too technical or flashy, but anyone who's into metal and hard rock that's heard it says it's pretty damn good and really catchy to boot.

I don't think we're going to make people pay for it, as our only option right now is the burned disk route, but we may have our friend who is an excellent artist do some little hand drawn logo on them for us as sort of an eye catcher thing. Also, considering your advice, Axemanchris, we're going with the all orginals demo and leaving covers for live performances and putting them on an album when we finally get to it. We won't do too many, maybe 1 or 2 for a 10 or 12 track length album, but people who've heard us play our different covers (Aerials, Dammit, Tetris, Zwitter, Ich Will, etc.), have said they like them.

I'm also a big proponent of getting our sh*t perfectly in tune before we even attempt to play them. After having been playing guitar for 3 and a half years now, I can't stand it when something sounds off even slightly. My drummer gets annoyed when I sit there for 5 minutes before our jam/practice sessions tuning my guitar/s. At the same time, he also agrees with me that we need to practice our material till it's spot on perfect and we're bleeding from our ears. Our material won't be the most professionally produced either as our practice/recording space is just the drummer's basement, but we're going to tweak it and work on it till it's as clear as it could possibly get.

When we do get something produced, we're going to basically get it into the hands of anyone who'll listen. There's a lot of music stores and other outlets for pushing our material in our area, and there's even more people who like our style of music. We have become quite adept at spotting people who have the same musical tastes, so it shouldn't be too hard to target our specific audience. There's also a lot of bars, clubs, catering halls, etc. who are run by people that tend to host gigs with metal bands. We know where to look and who to market ourselves to, so that won't be too much of an issue for us.

We also have a lot of contacts for different aspects of the band lifestyle. We know people that do band websites, have produced and worked in studios with different bands, other bands that do heavy touring, etc. (hell, we went to the Symphony X concert at the Troc in Philly this past saturday and had a lengthy chat with one of the opening bands after the show, and we're keeping in touch with them constantly now and have been invited to play shows with them once we get off the ground) You name it, we most likely know someone who can come through for us.

So basically we know how to market ourselves, it's just getting off the ground is our biggest obstacle right now (that and we need to find a singer first and procure a mixer and mics).
If the band is called "Divide The Sky", stay away from them. They're a bunch of rock star wannabe douchebags that'll eventually end up kicking you out like they did to their founding member.
I had this exact same f*ckin problem. Bassists, and good ones mind you, are probably the hardest part of a band to come by. They're extremely elusive, like bigfoot or a hard working black guy.

Basically my advice is ask anyone and everyone you know who's even slightly interested in music if they play bass, know someone who does, or knows someone that knows someone that plays bass. You basically gotta be like a broken record with this.
To anyone who would want to listen to it. You know, for a little thing called exposure.
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Bad idea.

As far as covers vs. originals on your demos goes... what is the purpose of your demo? If it is to get gigs playing covers, then your demo had better showcase how well you cover other people's stuff. If the purpose of your demo is to help you get gigs playing original material, leave the covers out. If it is to send out to labels.... never, ever, ever put on a cover.

If it is just to showcase how smokin' your band is.... then whatever you think will showcase that the best.


It would basically just be to get our name out there.
We were also thinking about adding a quick little minute or so track with each band member doing something absolutely crazy and insane to basically just showcase our abilities.
Ok so I talked to a few bands who've had the same problem as me, and the consensus seems to be that a climate controlled storage space with electrical outlets would be the best and cheapest route to go if we can't find anywhere to practice at for free.
What about all the other **** we're coming up with? We want to get as much of our material out there as soon as possible so that we can land some gigs. Should we do a demo and still have enough material to make an album at the same time?
Ok, so my drummer and I had a rather productive practice session today. We're wrapping up the 2 songs that we have finished all the way through and basically just polishing and tightening them up, and in the process of f*cking around, we came up with 2 more sets of riffs we're going to work on and turn into full songs. Along with them and a cover of "Aerials" by System Of A Down, this is what we have so far.

My question is is 4 originals and a cover a good amount for a demo, or should we come up with 1 or 2 more originals? I was thinking either Zwitter or Ich Will, both by Rammstein, would be good as 1 more cover to put on the demo.
Most of the places around me that charge to let you practice there cost an arm and a leg, like around $20-$50 a month (that's split between each band member).
Well we mostly don't want to have to drive an hour each way for practices, especially lugging all that crap with us, but it's mostly because he doesn't really have any room either. The drummer and I live less than 10 miles away from eachother.
I may or may have not posted a thread with this topic before, but whatever.

My band and I have always had troubles finding a regular practice space. We can't use my house as there's no room, we can't use the bassist's house as he lives like an hour away and we don't feel like lugging the drummer's sh*t that far 2-3 times a week, and we can very rarely use the drummer's house due to conflicting work schedules and the fact that his parents are complete douchebags and don't want us practicing when they're home. We don't want to spend money on renting a space, and we don't know anyone else who'll let us use their place.

So what should we do about this problem?
I think "F(_)ck Authority" by Pennywise would be an excellent choice to play.
Once again- Slayer or Necrophagist are your only logical choices.

Do it, you know you wanna.
Picket schedule for WBC please? F*cking slow ass aol dial up won't let me view their page.
Play some Death, Necrophagist, Slayer, or early Metallica.
Powerglove do an excellent cover of the Power Rangers theme.
Megaman X 1-3, megaman 64, and the original megaman games were the only worthwhile ones out of the whole lot.
IMO, Perfect Dark still far outclasses any FPS out there now. The level of customization in it is still unparalelled today. You could set up to I think 15 different sims, choose from 6 different difficulty levels for them, set the individual weapon sets for each level, etc. etc. etc. The only thing that modern FPS games have on it is online play. Perfect Dark still kicks halo and CoD's ass up and down the street.

Anyway, another game theme I'd like to conquer is the mjolnir mix halo theme.
I was wondering if any of you have done a video game theme cover as part of your gigs? How well do they tend to go over with the crowd (I've heard some live ones before, and they either really, really suck, or pretty much guarantee a win in a battle of the bands if played right)? I've been able to play the Tetris theme and most of the Super Mario Bros. theme for a while now, but it wasn't until last night that I tried my hand at the theme for probably the best FPS ever- Perfect Dark. It only took me maybe 15-20 minutes to get down the theme that plays during the credits, but it's such an amazing song.
Overrated: Synester Gates (good, yes, but not incredible)

Underrated: Tony Rombola, Jerry Cantrell, Brownbag Johnson
What are yours? My band (me- guitar, and my friend- drums, and the bassist we recently found) and I have had a lot of problems getting stuff together due to different work schedules and the like, but our biggest obstacle has been finding a practice space we can use whenever we want. Our current one is the drummer's house, but we can only use it when his parents aren't home because they're douchebags (especially his step-dad) and when he doesn't have work.

We can't use my house due to lack of space, and we can't use the bassist's house as he lives almost 40 minutes away (the drummer and I live 5 minutes apart). We haven't had any luck in asking anyone to use their garage or house to practice at, and we don't want to spend the money to rent out a space.

So what should we do?