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Sounds like the trem springs in the back of the guitar are resonating. Take the back plate off and see if touching the springs makes the noise stop. If that's what it is you can dampen it by putting some foam or even a couple napkins next to the springs to keep them from vibrating.

As for the tuning problem, that could be a bunch of things, but it's probably not related. Could be the strings not sliding through the nut correctly, which can be remedied by rubbing some graphite shavings from a pencil in the nut slots. Could be the guitar not strung properly or old strings. Or it could be the tremolo not set up right.
If you put a locking nut on a guitar you'll also need to replace the bridge with one that has fine tuners. When you lock the strings, the nut is pressing down on them hard enough to to slightly raise the pitch. You need fine tuners to re-tune after you've locked the nut.

Putting a Floyd Rose style trem into a vintage style trem route will require some woodwork, routing and such.

Check out this website . Their product might be something you could use.
Quote by arv1971
No probs. I'm going to post a picture later on of the position of the holes in the body and the position of the holes in the original claw compared to the holes in the Tremol-no so that you can see what I'm talking about.

I'm thinking of filling them with wood filler...wouldn't that do the job okay..?



What kind of wood filler? It just needs to be strong. There's a lot of tension on those screws.
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Edit: Have realised what the problem was with the claw moving all over the place. The screws were bent.

Not sure if that's messed up the holes, I'd imagine it has. The holes still don't match up with the Tremol-no though in any case. They're a few mm wider. Think I'm going to fill them and re-drill them in the right place.



Hey, sorry for the late response.

If you do re-drill, just remember that the claw has a lot of tension on it at all times, so it needs to be a strong repair. I would widen the hole and use a wooden dowel and some wood glue to refill it.
Look at the bottom of the clamps and see if the strings have pressed their shape into the metal at all. You should be able to tell which ones went with which string this way. Although it doesn't really matter unless the strings are slipping. You can check by plucking an open string and then pressing on the same string, but on the headstock side of the nut. If the pitch goes up, the string is slipping.
The base of the bridge should be parallel, the saddles will be a little off but that's fine.

And parallel is just a guideline. You should really just be checking which way the guitar goes out of tune. If the strings are going slightly flat, than the bridge is tilting forward and the springs need to be tightened. And if they're going sharp, than the springs need to be loosened.

No, Im just talking about the cap that goes over the nut. That should always stay on. You shouldn't need to completely unscrew it to remove the arm, just loosen it and pull the arm out.
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Update. It keeps falling out. How do I make it so it doesn't?


Are you screwing the top piece back on? That 'cap' piece that screws over the whole assembly should keep it from coming out.
Quote by andro64
It would be my first guitar with Floyd, so I don't speak Floyd-ese very well

So if I buy this Kelly, will it be my worst purchase ever or if I won't use FR as hard as Satriani or Kirk Wahmet, it won't get out of tune and I will be so pleased with that Jackson?



Sorry for the late response.

If it isn't set up correctly, then it will go out of tune no matter what. Yeah if use it heavily it would go out of tune after one pull, but even if you don't touch it at all, the slight tension differences you make when you play a string or bend will cause it to go out of tune over a few minutes to hours. So I wouldn't buy this guitar without plans on learning how to set up FR's, but that being said, FR's aren't as scary as everyone says, they just need a little more attention during set-ups.
Nah, there isn't a way to adjust individual string height except through shimming individual saddles.

Is the guitar used? The saddles aren't all the same height and it's possible two got swapped. The E and the e saddles should be the lowest, then the b and the A saddles, then the G and D saddles should be the highest, so it forms a sort of arch across the board.
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Haha, it's exactly that piece. Right on man. Thanks!


No problem Like I said same thing happened to me.
Oh, I thought you lost it. Yeah you should just be able to unscrew that top part completely and it will fit right back in the hole, like this. Just unscrew the "11" part off of the "9" and put the "12" back inside of the "9" if that makes any sense.
Haha, yep. Mine fell out as well. You can order a new one from Ibanez Rules.

I believe the part you're looking for is the trem arm bushing. Go to the page I linked and Ctrl+F "2ZR212". That's the part number.
Which example from this diagram does your bridge look like? When it's set up right it should look like the first one, parallel to the body of the guitar. In order for a floating trem to stay in tune the tension of the strings needs to equal the tension of the springs in the back of the guitar. So if your bridge is being pulled out of the body, the springs need more tension (tighten the screws in the back of the guitar), and if it's being pulled into the guitar, the springs are too tight and need to be loosened.

Another thing it could be is that the guitar is over 15 years old, and those licensed FR's don't hold up as well as the originals. The knife-edges may be dulled. If the bridge is parallel and the guitar still goes slightly out of tune, try taking some vaseline and rub it on the contact point with a Q-tip, then pull the bridge up and down to get it lubed up well.

Scan through this thread, there's lots of good info in it.
See if you can take it to a music store and get the tech to just check it out and see if it needs a setup, just to get a second opinion. If not than you should be fine.
Glad you got it figured out. They're really not as bad people say. if you ever need any more help with them just come up the FR sticky at the top of the page.

You want the String Lock Block. It's a little less than halfway down the page. Ctrl+F it. Make sure you get the right one.
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"Oh, let me play/learn this song real quick" or "oh shit, I have this idea let me work this out and get it down".

OH WAIT, BETTER **** WITH MY GUITAR FOR 20 MINUTES WHILE I FORGET WHAT I WAS DOING.

It's not laziness, it's "why would I spend the time doing this when I don't have to".



I understand what you're saying, but I was referring to the fact TS is basically saying "How can I change tunings with a FR?" and the forum is responding with "don't...."
God I forgot how lazy this forum is when it comes to floating trems...
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Are these steps correct?

Loosen the locking nuts, start tuning down slowly. Keep tuning every string until the bridge starts to sink.

Tighten the springs in the back.

Repeat.

After the bridge is level and the strings are in tune, put back the locking nuts and fine tune.



You'll loosen the springs. On a perfectly set up Floyd Rose, the tension of the strings will equal the tension of the springs. So if you loosen the strings (detune them), you'll want to loosen the springs by the same amount. When they're tensions are equal, the base of the bridge will be parallel with the body of the guitar. The other steps are pretty much correct.

Also, what if some strings start buzzing? The part I have no idea about is getting the action correct without messing up the whole guitar again. Sorry again for making another thread about this.


Action should be the last thing you adjust on a guitar. So you should be able to adjust it without messing up the other stuff. Now don't think that you can adjust the action by adjusting the truss rod. The truss rod is just for making sure the neck is adjusted right. If you don't want to learn how to adjust the truss rod, take it to a store and get it it set up. Contrary to what dspellman said, you don't need to adjust the truss rod every time you change tunings. Unless you're going to a largely different tuning (more than 1-1.5 steps on all the strings) or you're changing the string gauge, or unless you're very meticulous about your set up, you can just leave the truss rod as-is after you get it set up. If you're unsure whether your neck needs an adjustment, fret the 1st fret and the 20th fret at the same time and look at the gap between the strings in the middle of this section of string you just created. If the gap is much larger or smaller then the thickness of a credit card, then your neck probably needs an adjustment.


Now, try not to adjust the action too much on you're guitar. When you adjust the action on FRs (by turning the two posts that hold the bridge onto the guitar) you're rubbing metal on metal, and too much of this can dull the knife-edges (the point where the bridge makes contact with the posts) and the guitar won't stay in tune.

Let me know if you need to know anything else, and sorry if this is wordy, I just woke up...
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Thanks it's "playable" now, just gonna be content with it after struggling to get this far and then struggling again to get it in tune. Got a bit more than I asked for with this tremelo.

Bought it when I was young and now I regret it because I don't have a need for it. If I can't get it rolling with the springs I'll take it to a tech.

My screws on the the claw are actually tightened completely up. It's rather confusing honestly.

Thanks for the reply though, I'll let you know how my tinkering goes.


The springs could just be worn out.

If you don't want to use the trem you could block it and essentially make it a hard-tail guitar.
Quote by Mezo
I just wanna make sure if my assumption is right, this is a ZR tremolo, it's leaning way too far forward, right?

http://i.imgur.com/BClClQs.jpg

Thank you!



Maybe a little bit. Does the pitch go flat after you tune it? If it doesn't than you're fine. I've found with my ZR that it's not always perfectly level when it's adjusted right.
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Also, I've been reading up on true temperament frets, and I've been wondering if you can change tunings up and down on one? Say you order a 6 string guitar with the baritone version of the system, and tune it to B. What happens if you drop it down to A? Or set it to drop A?


I think It would work fine. The intonation is only affected by the length of the string, not the tightness (pitch) of it.
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yeah you never had anything interesting to say so you made your posts stand out by making them a different color


Oh, you're one of those people...

As for ideas to get the forum back up. It's looked pretty much the same as it did back when I joined. There always seemed to be talks about updating the look of the site, but nothing ever happened.

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I definitely remember you. Glad you're using regular text colors again.



Carmal made me quit.

You were in EG a lot right? I'm definitely gonna start posting there again.
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Hashtags weren't invented on twitter until 2009.



More evidence towards my '08 was the last great year' theory.

btw, don't know if anyone remembers me, but I may start posting again if I don't forget. I guess this is a good thread to start back in.
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Truth. No one hashtagged before '09 on UG.



#oheightwasgreat
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The 09'ers really ruined it by acting like a bunch of damn frat bros.

Everyone knows '08 was the last good year.
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The 09'ers really ruined it by acting like a bunch of damn frat bros.


'08 was the last good year.
You may be able to sell it quicker if you advertise that you'v replaced the crappy stock pickups with better ones.

You would most likely get more money if you replaced the stock ones and sold them separately.
I believe they only work with High profile FR's, not the low profiles.
I speed. A lot. If I'm on the highway and traffic's low I'm hardly ever under 90. If I'm late I flirt with 100.

I've been pulled over 7 times (none of these were on the highway) 4 of those were for speeding, and I've gotten zero tickets. It's fun being a white male.
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@biga29: Thanks for that. I really appreciate it. I was considering having a similar tension to that of 10's on a 24.75 inch scale so I'll probably bump it up a bit on the strings. When you say the bridge is set up right for it, I assume you're referring to the height or something like that? As long as I can tailor it to my needs then I have no problem.

Once again, I appreciate the response.



I meant you're just gonna have to set it up like any other time you change tuning with a floating trem. Adjust the springs and all that.
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OK guys, I'm a little new to this area of UG so bear with me. I am seriously considering an Ibanez RG920QM and it will be my first guitar with a floating tremolo and I have a couple of questions:

I intend to use a custom tuning on it, that is (from thickest to thinnest of strings):

E A D G B E -> C G C Eb Ab C

1. Will the tremolo be negatively affected? Re-intonating it doesn't bother me and having to buy a custom set of strings doesn't bother me either. I'm more worried about tuning stability and having to buy new springs and other such things.

2. Will the 25.5 inch scale be able to handle a tuning as low as that? I've only played a 24.75 inch scale in terms of 6 string guitars (although I own a 7 string with a 25.5 inch scale).

Thanks for anyone who takes the time to read this and answer, I really appreciate it.



That tuning will be fine as long as the bridge is set up right for it. And as for the scale longer scales can be better for lower tunings as you won't need as thick of strings to get a good tension, you can use thinner ones and they won't be as loose.
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Thanks for the responses. How should I try and sell it to get the most I can? An ad on Gumtree is something I should start with, possibly eBay - anything else?


Anywhere where you're selling it to someone who wants the guitar, not someone who wants to sell the guitar.

If you did want to go with the music store, put it on consignment. You'll give them the price you want to sell the guitar for, and they'll put it on the wall at your price plus a hundred or so depending on how much it's worth. Then they'll give you what you wanted and keep the extra hundred, but it could take a while to sell that way, and they'll tell you that they can't sell it at the price you want and try to get you to go lower so they can get more.
You're most likely not going to get what you want for it selling it to a music store. The only reason they'd buy it is if they think they can make a profit on it. The only reason you should sell it to a music store is if you need cash now or if you don't care how much you get for it and want it gone.

Source: I'm sitting behind the counter of a music store right now.
Quote by jonathan666666
The locking nut is nuclear physics to this kid. Do you really think he's gonna dick around with the springs on a guitar that he cant figure out how to tune .


Meh, everyone's gotta learn eventually. I guarantee I could have this kid able to switch tunings and do basic FR maintenance in half an hour.


And not to be an ass. There is a big difference between the two. You're playing a gig. Everyone wants you to play that song that's leik so hardcore bruh. You can't just drop the tuning right there.


But he didn't say that, he said "Drop tuning a FR is NOT recommended" which just isn't true and has become a "rule" to enough guitarists that I've had to tell people it's not true multiple times.
Quote by kLinic
This looks like the right area. My Edge Zero is definitely not at the right angle according to the picture at the start, but I have no more room to adjust the springs! What am I supposed to do from here? Are there aftermarket springs with more tension? There are two extra springs that came with the Ibanez, but there is no place to put them unlike my other Floyd Rose equipped guitar.

It kinda looks like there's some more room (see the gallery link below for pictures) but it just will NOT move no matter what. It's actually REALLY stiff in general, I'm not sure if that's normal.


And some pictures depicting the horrid angle. http://imgur.com/a/oqI5F



What tuning are you in and what gauge strings are you using?

I've had this problem with my Ibanez with Edge Zero and the way I fixed it was loosening the strings to bring the bridge back down, then loosen the knob on the back towards the middle of the opening and then re-tune/re-adjust it. It worked with mine.
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Edit:
Note for TS: Drop tuning a FR is NOT recommended, unless maybe you got a guitar tech (try your local music store) to set it up for you properly. FR's are set up to be in standard tuning in the factory. They'll need to re-set up for any other tunings.


There's no difference in drop tuning a FR or a hardtail as long as you know how to do it, and contrary to popular belief, it's not that difficult. All you really need to do different is adjust the springs. Anything else would be exactly like tuning any other guitar.
Quote by Morphogenesis26
So, the other day the A-string on my Douglas started to get this buzzing sound when I tuned it up. I noticed that intonation screw looked like it was being pushed forward in an awkward way and I assume that's why it's buzzing. It only buzzes when in perfect pitch, but if it's just slightly off it's fine. Anything I can do to fix this?



Is it the actual string buzzing or a part of the bridge? Listen for the buzz and touch different pieces of the bridge to see if it stops. It could be the springs as well.
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Quick question, how can I stop my G string from slipping out of the saddle of my LFR when I'm restringing I had left it with part of the thick double wire near the ball end but it still came out when I was tuning it up. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'd rather not go and buy another string as I won't be able to for another week or so.


Don't leave the double wrapped part of the string on there. Just clip that little bit off and tighten it until it's fairly snug.