Whenever the singer joins a veteran, established group, that singer is inevitably compared to their predecessors. Sometimes the comparisons are favourable, and sometimes they aren't. When ex-Devilsize
vocalist Dan Nelson
was announced as the new frontman of Anthrax
, comparisons were inevitably made to previous Anthrax
singers Joey Belladonna
and John Bush
. Sadly, Nelson
never had a real opportunity to make a proper account of himself, not featuring on any released material with the group. However, he played several live shows as a part of Anthrax
, and it's by those performances that his tenure with Anthrax
will be actually judged.
On July 17th, Anthrax
's management issued a press release stating that the first three dates of a European trek, scheduled to begin on the 18th, had been cancelled. The press release alleged that on the 16th, Dan Nelson
had informed Anthrax
that he was seriously ill and unable to travel or perform at that time. On July 21st, seven additional dates from the 22nd to the 30th were cancelled. Anthrax
's departure, and in light of the man's departure, scheduled August and September dates supporting Slipknot were scrapped. That same day however, Nelson
issued a statement through his manager, alleging that he wasn't ill, was able to travel, was able to perform, and didn't actually resign. Of course, only the parties involved, and no-one else, know the truth behind what actually happened.
's tenth album, "Worship Music
", was originally slated for European release on October 23rd, but the record's release has since been postponed. The full length, with Nelson
's vocals, had been mixed at a New Orleans studio by Dave Fortman
(previously the guitarist of Ugly Kid Joe, Fortman has produced such albums as Evanescence's "Fallen" (2003) and "The Open Door" (2006), and Slipknot's "All Hope Is Gone" (2008)). At the Sonisphere festival in Knebworth, England on August 1st however, Anthrax
played a one-off performance with erstwhile vocalist John Bush
(who was the group's singer from 1992 to 2004).
In early October, it was reported that Dan Nelson
had formed a new project with drummer Paul Bostaph
(Testament / ex-Slayer / ex-Exodus / ex-Forbidden), and Bay Area guitarist Jeremy Epp
rounds out the project's lineup. In addition, Nelson
is a part of Inside Hollow
. On October 16th at 16:00 GMT, Dan Nelson
telephoned Hit The Lights
' Robert Gray
to discuss his departure from Anthrax
, as well as his new projects.
Hey. Is Robert there?
Yeah. This is Robert. Is this Dan?
Yeah. How are you doing man?
Yeah, I'm doing well. How are you Dan?
I'm doing really good, thanks.
Would it be alright if we began the interview?
Yeah, sure. Of course.
Would it be ok if we spoke about Anthrax initially, and then following that, spoke about your new projects?
Absolutely. That sounds great.
Ok. First of all, it's alleged that on July 16th 2009 you informed Anthrax that you were seriously ill, and couldn't perform. What are your thoughts on that?
About the band saying that I was ill? I don't know why they said that - I was never sick. I was fine, and ready to do all of the gigs, but I think they wanted to go a different way with John Bush. That's what's going on with that.
Were you really looking forward to Anthrax's European tour, which was eventually scrapped?
I did the first leg of Europe with Anthrax, and yeah, I was looking forward to returning, and doing the second leg. I was looking forward to the Slipknot dates that they had planned for September, as well - August and September were when the Slipknot dates were planned for, I believe. So yeah, I was disappointed, but you know, shit happens (laughs).
Though did you hope to record one to two albums as part of Anthrax, part amicably, and then each party go their separate way? When they possibly wanted to reunite with John or Joey?
I think Anthrax would've went back to John even sooner if he would've said "Yes". Me personally, I'd like 'Worship Music' to come out as it is because it's a phenomenal album, but I don't know if that will happen. I just think Anthrax have a tendency to stay in their safe zone, and their safe zones have always been either a reunion of the older incarnation with Joey, or to stay with that sound with John. Charlie, as Anthrax's primary songwriter, feels comfortable with John because he's been with him for so long. It was thirteen years, I think, and John has been the voice for his writing for the last thirteen years, so that's where he wanted to go. I assume as soon as that door opened for them again, they jumped at it.
Do you feel Anthrax reunited with John Bush with their tail between their legs? Anthrax reunited with Joey Belladonna, but that didn't work out. Because of that, do you feel they thought "Shit, we should've stayed with John", as that would've been the better decision in the long term?
I think the reunion thing with Joey didn't work out the way they thought, and they wanted to go back to John. He wasn't interested, so they decided to get someone new and fresh, and tried to breath new life into the band, which I like to think I did. Anthrax definitely got a lot of press, and a lot of popularity, while I was in the band for two years. We had a very successful tour run, and 'Worship Music' got great reviews over in Europe. It was looking great.. I don't know (laughs). I don't know why Anthrax did what they did. It's kind of strange, but the history of the band is strange.
I wish them nothing but the best. Like I've said before, they're family guys, and they have their own lives to take care of. Anthrax have to do what's best for them, and I have to do what's best for me and my family. I'm just pushing on, and have to move onto the next step.
The news item which alleges that on July 16th 2009 you informed Anthrax that you were seriously ill, and couldn't perform, surfaced on July 17th. What were your thoughts when you became aware of that news item? Maybe you were on your computer, and read..
"The next thing, I then found out on the internet that I wasn't their singer."
No - I'll tell you exactly where I was. I was at my ten year old God son's baseball game, little league game, and I got a phone call from a friend of mine who said "Are you sick? Are you no longer in Anthrax?". I was like "What?". It was just weird. I was supposed to be on a flight to Sweden I think, and the next thing I knew, the flights were cancelled. The flights were booked for later initially, but then they were cancelled, and we just weren't going. Nobody answered my emails or my calls, and it pretty much went like that for about four days. I didn't hear anything for four days, and then it was announced that Anthrax were playing a show with John Bush. That's exactly what happened. What can you do? You just gotta say "Ok", close that chapter, and open a new one.
So basically, Anthrax cut off all lines of communication?
Yes. Everything went black. I hadn't heard from them at all for four days, I think. The last person I had spoken to was Scott, and to someone else from Anthrax's camp, saying that they were going to push the flights back to a later time. When I checked my flight online though, it was cancelled. That's the last I heard.
But when you had your last conversation with Scott, you had the impression that him and the rest of Anthrax's members wished to move forward with you as their vocalist?
The last conversation I had with Scott was about the flights being changed, and not that I wasn't their singer anymore. I don't know how it went from the flights being pushed back to me not being their singer, so yeah, he definitely didn't say "You're no longer our singer" (laughs). The next thing, I then found out on the internet that I wasn't their singer.
You referred to "internal drama" in Anthrax, and mentioned that the same exists in any group. Was there a certain cause of that internal drama?
I don't really want to get into that. I just think there was a lot of drama, but with every band there's a lot of drama.
Would you say that there were conflicts between certain individuals?
There's conflicts with different guys every week in any band, so it depends on who wakes up on the wrong side of the bed.
On July 21st, Anthrax's manager said you'd parted ways with the group, and in a later interview, Scott Ian said that you had quit Anthrax. So obviously, you're saying that isn't true then? Just to confirm.
I would like to know where they heard me say I quit the band (laughs). Usually someone has to say they quit. I never quit the band. I had my manager and my lawyer both contact them, who said I was willing to do the dates - I believe it was July 18th, the day after they announced that I was supposedly sick. My manager and my lawyer contacted them, and said "He's willing, ready and able to do these dates. What's going on?", but there was no response. When someone doesn't give a response, there's not really much you can do. You're left in the dark, and left without any power. You're just left thinking "What's going on?", and that's where I was. I didn't know what was going on. I still don't know what happened, but at this point, I don't care. I really don't care.
Like I said, I wish Anthrax nothing but the best. I don't wish them anything ill, but I don't care either. I couldn't tell you what Anthrax are doing with 'Worship Music', and I couldn't tell you what they're doing with tours, because I just don't care. I've moved on from that onto new music, and onto other new things in my life. I have a lot of stuff going on other than music in my life. My life no longer revolves around Anthrax. I put my heart and soul into that band for two years, writing, flying, recording, touring, keeping myself in physical shape for the band, and dealing with all the drama that goes with being in a band, especially being a new guy. It's just too much to even bother with anymore. I just don't care. I hate to say it, but it's someone else's problem now.
When Anthrax hired you, did you ever feel as though you were measured against John Bush and Joey Belladonna?
Yes and no. I don't think I really had much in common with them vocally, or in terms of stage presence, so it was an old / new Anthrax somewhat, which I thought the fans were really enjoying. It just seemed like the energy that Anthrax had when I was in the band, compared to with Joey and John, was way higher. The energy level was just.. we were on top of our game. If you watch a video of the five of us onstage, then it was a great show every night. The energy was there, and those guys looked reinvigorated. I brought it every night, and it was just a totally different Anthrax - it was a younger, crazier and heavier version of what Anthrax was. I think, in these modern times of metal, it really was going over well. I guess it's a strange decision that they've made, moving forward another way, but like I said, they're entitled to their vision.
Are you taking Anthrax to court over allegations that you were seriously ill, and so on?
I think the seriously ill thing was very inconsiderate to my family and friends. It caused a panic amongst my family and friends; everyone from my parents to my close friends, and people that I hadn't seen in awhile, thought I was in hospital, and that something had happened to me. That's not something to be taken lightly - you don't want to scare someone's family and friends like that. I thought that was wrong, but I guess they had their reasons for doing what they did. Those reasons are a mystery to me though.
So are you taking Anthrax to court for allegedly damaging your professional reputation, or anything of that nature?
I think the things that Anthrax said definitely didn't help me on a personal level, though I guess what you're asking is if it was a defamation of character type of thing. I definitely don't think they were truthful, and the things they said definitely hurt my family, my friends, and the fans that I've made with Anthrax. They made it seem like I didn't care about anyone, and that my health was an issue. In a few words, it was just wrong. It was wrong, and unprofessional.
Following your split from Anthrax, Eddie Trunk commented that he had seen the group at Rocklahoma on July 9th, and that there were "some serious chemistry issues off stage". Would you agree with Eddie Trunk's statement?
Yeah, and I spoke to Eddie about this. What he saw was the same thing I saw, I think. The band wasn't speaking to me for some reason, and looking back, I guess they knew that they were going to go with John, and felt weird about it, or there was kind of a... I don't know if it was a guilty kind of thing, but I think they just didn't want to bother with me. They weren't speaking to me all the way to the venue. They didn't speak to me really at all, and just treated me like I wasn't there. So yeah, there was definitely a weird vibe, and I definitely felt that, being the guy that was being ignored.
Looking back, what are your thoughts on your time with Anthrax?
I'm very proud of what we did. We did great stuff I think, whether it be the shows, the recording, or the interaction with the fans, who are all great - Anthrax fans are awesome worldwide. I've played with Anthrax in Asia, Korea, Japan, South America, Europe, and the States, and they have amazing fans. The fans are just so loyal, so great, and just so down to earth. They're very deserving fans. They deserve a great album, and I hope they get it. But yeah, I look fondly back on that time. I'm just proud of what we did. It was a good time - the band did some good shit.
Do you have any regrets? Do you regret ever joining Anthrax at all?
Do I regret joining Anthrax? No, I don't regret anything. In life, everything happens for a reason. It's given me a chance to play with some great future projects, so that's cool enough.
In every interview you do, you're asked about your time in Anthrax. Is that something which can be annoying?
No. I think Anthrax is a part of who I am now. I think it'd be silly of me to get annoyed because I'm a part of Anthrax's history, and they're a part of mine, so absolutely not. Like I said, I'm proud of what was done in that time together, me being the vocalist of Anthrax. It was two years of our lives. Why would I deny two years of my life?
Obviously, you wrote lyrics which were initially written with Anthrax's material in mind. Will any of these lyrics resurface in future projects of yours?
No. Anything I wrote with Anthrax I think I'll leave with Anthrax. That's the way I like to look at that time, and the lyrics I wrote at that time were written with that band in mind. Like I said, I put my heart and soul into that band, so I would rather just move forward with new lyrics and new melodies. Anything I contributed to Anthrax either dies with Anthrax, or I get royalties from some publishing when they release a new album with a new singer. That's the only way my contributions will resurface, so unless they decide to put the album out with my vocals, I honestly couldn't tell you what they plan to do. Your guess is as good as mine.
That's all I have to ask about Anthrax, so I'll move onto your new projects. You have a new project with drummer Paul Bostaph, currently of Testament and previously of Slayer, Exodus and Forbidden. How did that project come to fruition?
I received a text from Paul, asking if I could give him a call. He saw my show in Amsterdam with Anthrax with the rest of the guys from Testament, and he really liked what I was doing. He's been working with this guitarist named Jeremy Epp, who's just a phenomenal guitarist out in the Bay Area of California. They've been writing songs for quite some time, and have been looking for the right singer. We got hooked up by a mutual person that we knew through Nuclear Blast, who gave him my information. I laid down some vocals on some material. He liked the results and I liked the results, so we decided to move forward, and make it a band. It's going great. We're just looking for a bassist right now. We've thrown around the idea of maybe me playing bass and singing, because I also play bass, but at this time, we're auditioning bassists. We'd like to see how that feels, and I'll probably be going out to California within the next couple of weeks to rehearse with them. So yeah, it's going excellent. Paul is a great guy, and obviously, he's an amazing drummer. The material that him and Jeremy have been writing is phenomenal material. It's really cool, and I'm just happy to be a part of it.
Did Paul tell you why he felt you'd suit the project?
He just said he really enjoyed my sound, and my stage presence, in Amsterdam when he saw me. He thought he was looking for someone more aggressive, but still melodic. Well, I fit that bill. I come from a very classic rock background of singing - I sang in a lot of rock bands as well as metal bands. I always approached singing a little differently in Anthrax; I sang a bit heavier because that's what the guys wanted of me, but before that, I sang in a lot of rock bands. That's what I'm doing now. I have another band called Inside Hollow, which is a rock band where I sing and play guitar. We're actually heading into the studio next month to record a ten song CD. Inside Hollow is just a straight up heavy rock band, and is more along the lines of a Black Sabbath / Alice In Chains type of feel. Not that Inside Hollow sounds like those bands, but it has more of that vibe - more of a heavy groove, rock vibe.
Does the group you're a part of with Paul Bostaph have a name?
No. No names. We've actually been sending back emails all week with name ideas, so I'm sure we'll have one soon.
Thus far, how many songs have been written for this project?
We have four ideas, and we've started working on the fifth one, so we're doing well. Nothing is set in stone, but we have four to five song ideas.
Do these song ideas have working titles?
No. No working titles yet. We're just throwing out different name ideas.
Can you reveal anything regarding the lyrical content these song ideas contain?
"I still don't know what happened, but at this point, I don't care."
The lyrical content on these songs has everything, from just lyrics about life situations to war and sci-fi books, the same things I've always written about - just anything that influences me at that moment in time. I'm influenced by everything in the world around me, from the way I feel when I wake up in the morning, to the latest movie I've watched. These songs have a very broad spectrum of lyrics.
Can any of these lyrics be possibly interpreted as being about your split from Anthrax?
I think people will try to find that no matter what I write about (laughs). People will interpret lyrics the way they want to, and I try to encourage that. I try not to tell people what I'm writing about, because I like people to hear a song, and hear what they want to hear in it. Someone might hear something in a lyric that makes them think "Oh yeah, I know exactly what that guy's talking about", but when they hear that person talking about the song, the lyric is totally about something else, and it takes a little bit away from the listener's feeling of that song I feel. I like the listener to interpret lyrics the way they want, and just enjoy them. Whatever they feel when they hear that song, and whatever picture it paints for them, that's the right picture. I haven't outright been writing lyrics about Anthrax (laughs). Like I said, I have no bitterness or personal problems with them. They're just human beings like me, and we worked together for two years, just like any other job. It worked for two years, and then it didn't. I'm just eager to move on, and I'm sure they are too.
In a bassist, what are you, Paul and Jeremy looking for?
Just the right vibe, and the right guy. We just want someone who's dedicated, who's obviously got the chops, and who just has the passion for the music. We want someone who, when they hear these songs, feels as strongly about them as we do, and that'll be the right guy. So, nothing in particular. I don't really care about where they've played before, or what they look like. It's more about a vibe. I'm a firm believer in music, and that everyone deserves a chance. You never know who you're gonna get; it could be someone that's sat in their basement for ten years practising the bass, but as soon as you put them onstage, they could be the next Cliff Burton.
So auditions are currently being held for that position?
Yes. If anyone wants to send anything our way, they can send me a file, and whatever they want to send along, to email@example.com.
That sounds great. When you, Paul and Jeremy record material then, you'll be handling bass at the moment?
At the moment, Jeremy has been laying down bass. Paul and Jeremy have been writing all the music, and sending that music over to me because they live in California, and I live in New York. I've been laying down the vocals out here, and just emailing back and forth song ideas. If we don't have a bassist by the time we get together, I'm sure I'll be filling in on the bass in rehearsals. If we don't have a bassist come album time, I'll probably be laying down the bass when we record.
And once you, Paul and Jeremy have recorded material, you'll all be shopping around a demo then?
Yeah. We have a couple of people interested already, which is because of where Paul and myself came from I guess. Obviously, when you put Testament, Slayer and Anthrax in the same sentence, people are going to listen.
It's good for marketing.
Absolutely. So yeah, we're going to shop a demo, and hopefully come out on the road, and do some touring. Testament is an amazing band, and a great bunch of guys. They're very busy, and Paul's doing some upcoming stuff with Hail!, so scheduling permitting, we'll get together as much as we can. We're just gonna do what we can do, and have fun doing it. That's what it's all about - just having fun playing some great, heavy music. And in the interim, like I said, I'll be going into the studio with my other band, and I'm having a great time with that. Other than that, I'm just living life, you know (laughs).
With this unnamed project, what are your live plans? Are there any dates pencilled in, or being negotiated?
Right now, we're just working on new material back and forth. He sent me a track yesterday, and I'm going to get to work on that track this weekend. Once we have a good amount of songs, we'll get together, and rehearse. That's basically it. Like I said, I'm heading into the studio next month with Inside Hollow. That's my immediate plan; for Inside Hollow to get a CD out there in the shops, and to play some shows right away in the new year.
So your immediate plan is to record an album with Inside Hollow during November?
Yes. We're going into the studio in the middle of November. Actually, we're shopping between four different studios right now, trying to find which one we want to use. We're listening to sound samples of what they've done, and taking visits over there, and meeting with engineers. It's going great; we rehearse three times a week, and I'm really excited about it. Inside Hollow's drummer has been my drummer for the last six years - I played with him before Anthrax. Our bassist is a really good friend of mine, while our guitarist is my older brother. Inside Hollow is a real tight bunch of guys, and we're excited to get these songs out there. I think these songs are really cool, have a great vibe, and are really catchy. I love singing them. I look forward to rehearsals every week, and that's the good thing. When you can't wait to rehearse, you know you have a good band.
Can you provide an overview of Inside Hollow's history for those who are possibly unfamiliar with the band?
Sure. Well, obviously my brother and I have been playing on and off together since we were little kids. I started playing when I was eleven, and he started playing when he was thirteen, and that was our first band when we were little kids. He was living in California for awhile. After the whole Anthrax thing went down, we decided we should try to write some songs together. He had a bunch of riffs, and we got together in Brooklyn and rehearsed. I brought my drummer from Devilsize, my band previous to Anthrax, whose name is Frankie. I brought Frankie down, and the rhythm guitarist from Devilsize, whose name is Matt, came down to play the bass. We went to a studio in Brooklyn with me and my brother both with our guitars, and we worked on these five songs that me and my brother had been writing. It went excellent. The vibe was there - sometimes when you just get in a room, the vibe is there. The four of us had never all been in a room together jamming, and it just felt great. We kept jamming, and after like three jams, we decided "You know what? Let's make this a real band, and do something with it". Inside Hollow is me, former Devilsize guys, and my older brother who's played in various projects with me. It's exciting, and I'm having a lot of fun. To have a great metal project in the works with Paul Bostaph - who's phenomenal - and this new guitarist called Jeremy - who's gonna rock people's worlds - along with a great rock band is the best of both worlds. I get to do both - it's awesome. I now get to do metal and rock, and I love both projects. The music end is looking up (laughs).
(Laughs) What spawned the name Inside Hollow?
The name Inside Hollow is a name that me and the drummer from Devilsize used when we first started playing together around 2003, 2004. Somewhere along the line, we changed the name of the band to Devilsize, when the revolving door of bassists and second guitarists started happening, like it does when a lot of bands decide to just start over fresh with a new name. That's how Devilsize came about. But Inside Hollow, I actually came up with that name with my younger sister (laughs). We came up with band names together, and Inside Hollow was one of the names on the list. I just thought it was a really great name, and we came up with a really cool logo using the I and the H, and an Iron Cross. Inside Hollow just seemed like a cool name, and as you know, a good metal name is very hard to come by. Everyone always has a different opinion on what the name of a band should be nowadays. It's really hard to find one or two word band names that aren't used - there's a lot of band names that are three to four words now, because they just have to be. Everything's been used before. So yeah, the name Inside Hollow was just the brainchild of me and my sister (laughs). Now, Inside Hollow is just a really kickass rock band.
Is there any meaning behind the name Inside Hollow?
To me, Inside Hollow just means that without the music, I feel empty and hollow - so, Inside Hollow. I feel empty without music, and that band is what makes me whole - Inside Hollow fills me up, and makes me whole again. That's the meaning I get from Inside Hollow's name. Without music, without that creative spark, and without the fans, all musicians feel empty. That's what I get from Inside Hollow's name.
Currently, is Inside Hollow your main musical concern?
"Anthrax have to do what's best for them, and I have to do what's best for me and my family."
I would say I'm splitting my time evenly (laughs). I'm trying to give both bands my hundred percent, because I love them both equally, and they're so different. If Inside Hollow and the project with Paul were similar, I'd have to choose between the two, because I don't want to spread myself thin with the same kind of music. They're so different that they can co-exist though, like Stone Sour and Slipknot. They can co-exist, and be two totally different entities, one being the rock, and one being the metal. I'd say I'm splitting my time very evenly, and I feel like I have enough time and enough hours in the day to do that. If I didn't, I wouldn't waste anyone's time on either project.
Are there several parties interested in signing Inside Hollow?
There are several parties interested, which I guess is because of what they heard me do before with Anthrax. That's cool, and that's exciting for the band. I would love nothing more than to be out there with these guys that I'm playing with, who I've been playing with for years, and to be able to play some of the shows and clubs and festivals that I've played. They just deserve it - they're really great musicians. They're great guys, and hard working dudes. I got to do it with Anthrax, and it was great, the interaction with the fans, and playing the shows. I think every musician that works their ass off deserves to be there.
So you have the dream of every musician? To quit the day job, and be a full time musician?
If the money is there, we'd all love to do that. But everyone has a job, including myself, so there would have to be a pay cheque involved obviously. We all have families, houses, and real lives to pay for (laughs), which is the obvious reality of life. You have to be able to pay your bills. But yeah, if the money was there, and the tour was there, then we would all jump in the van, or the bus, or whatever's provided by the label or the booking agent, and get our asses out there. We're more than willing to go. Like I said, we rehearse three times a week. I'm sure I'll be getting back out there with Paul, the project with Paul, but not until we find the right bassist, and record. In 2010, I think people can expect to see us out there for sure.
Besides the project you're a part of with Paul Bostaph, and Inside Hollow, are there any other ongoing musical projects that you're a part of?
I've had a lot of stuff sent to me, and there is a couple of other things that I would like to lay down vocals to, things which are more recording projects. So yeah, there's a couple of other things that I definitely think are promising, and there's actually a couple of bands that I've talked about helping to produce. I think there's a lot of bands out there that just deserve to be heard, and heard the right way. Believe it or not, in Long Island and New York, where I come from, there's a lot of great bands out here, unknown bands that I think deserve a lot more attention than they get. Unfortunately, they don't get much attention just because of the scene not being what it should be, with clubs and club owners. There's really no way for them to get discovered. It's really a game of luck, and isn't like what it was back in the eighties and nineties where everyone was going out to clubs in droves to see bands. You hear everything on the internet now. It's just a different way of doing music.
So if these possible projects come to fruition, you'll just reveal further information at a later date then?
Yes. Sure. Right now, I'm just reviewing stuff. Anyone that sends me anything, I'm willing to listen to. Like I said, I think everyone deserves a chance. Look at me; when I joined Anthrax, I was an unknown vocalist. I auditioned, did my homework, and got into Anthrax. Now, through hard work over the last two years, and playing shows, and putting in my time, people know who I am. Like I said, you never know who's out there.
My final question: how do you feel the future looks for Dan Nelson?
I think the future looks great (laughs). Like I said, musically everything is great. My wife is getting really healthy, and we're looking like we're going to try to start a family soon, which is exciting - we're going to try to have a baby within the next year. Also, I just joined a hockey team. Everything's great.
The best of luck with everything Dan, and I'll speak to you soon.
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
All the best.
You too. Take care. Bye.
Interview by Robert Gray