Using Repetition To Develop Interesting Melodies

When sitting down to write a new tune, rhythms and chord progressions can sometimes seem to flow out abundantly. However, when it comes time to figure out a melody, the writing process tends to slow down drastically.

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When sitting down to write a new tune, rhythms and chord progressions can sometimes seem to flow out abundantly. However, when it comes time to figure out a melody, the writing process tends to slow down drastically. What makes this part of songwriting so difficult?

As you are listening to a tune, it's hard to deny that the melody stands out the most. I mean, I doubt anyones had a real problem with getting a killer chord progression stuck in their head. And while lots of people will copy chord progressions in their writing, it is the melody that has to be the most original if you want to avoid getting into trouble.

This is why I find it interesting that teachers and theory books will often skip out on explaining the craft of a good melody. This gap in education will often lead beginners to believe that they can't actually learn how to be better songwriters and that its just something you either have or you don't.

In reality, there are many writing techniques that all notable composers have used at one point in their career to create great melodies. These techniques are not quite as elusive or difficult to master as you might think. And though they aren't always found in most music theory books, once you know about them it can be pretty easy to pick it up.

Depending on the type of song you are writing, there are endless techniques out there to suit your style. In the following video I am going to share with you one trick that uses repetition to instantly improve the memorability of your songwriting.

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After watching this video, you are probably thinking of all the times now that you've heard this trick be used in popular music. Thats because it works! Now that you know it works, you can start using it for yourself.

About the Author

Tommaso Zillio is a prog rock guitarist and composer with a passion for teaching songwriting

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    rkerkdyk
    Sweet! The ornated pedal point melody sounds really good and I've never thought of letting the melody cross the pedal notes. Thanks, Tommaso! 
    jure.golobic
    Those pedal point stuff is one of the first things I remember when I first hear Yngwie play. Thanks Tommaso for a this video. Will definitely go and work on this! Also a killer example of this if in Eric Johnson cliffs of Dover. 
    Ryan Duke
    Cliffs of Dover was my first experience learning a pedal point. Great song and use of a pedal point.
    JohanTillgren
    Really interesting ideas!! It's cool how you can take timeless concepts that were primarily used hundreds of years ago, and then apply it to modern music and make something cool out of it. This pedal point idea sounds amazing with high-gain and exotic scales like harmonic minor.
    Simon Candy
    Great video Tommaso on some great pedal point ideas. Will need to watch it again to absorb the great ideas you present
    Lamboflog
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    Lamboflog · Sep 06, 2017 12:22 PM
    bcmarks75
    Do you have an actual comment about the video Lamboflog? Lets stay on task here instead of making unfounded personal attacks. 
    Jordan_reynolds
    They're not 'unfounded' - we've seen the evidence with our own eyes.
    lgattenby
    Post links to your own videos please.  If you don't have any, then you have zero credential other then mob mentality.
    Jordan_reynolds
    I don't need to post my own videos to have an opinion about the appalling evidence of how Hess behaves and talks to and about people.  What a truly odd statement to make. Just to be clear, you are suggesting I can't object to someone calling people 'cunts' 'whores' 'lying whores' retarded assholes' when at work, unless I upload my own videos... videos of what exactly? 
    bcmarks75
    You are free to object, as long as you know the full context that comments were made in and not only taking in one side of the story. 
    Jordan_reynolds
    Well, we have seen the evidence of the screen shots - how do we get the other side? Is Hess going to say anything, except to his disciples on his forum? Of course not. 
    TomatoZero
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    TomatoZero · Sep 08, 2017 11:42 AM
    bcmarks75
    What's evidence have you 'seen with your own eyes'?
    Goncalo Crespo
    Seems like he diesn't have any?
    M Scholtemeijer
    I guess they are private investigators and lawyers now... Why isn't Tom Hess in jail with all this "evidence"?
    Goncalo Crespo
    So, no evidence, then? Just deflection?
    M Scholtemeijer
    I guess they have "evidence", but the question is evidence for what? Are they playing "private investigator" or something? Reminds me of when I played cops 'n robbers when I was a child, haha.
    M Scholtemeijer
    People go to law school for YEARS to learn this kind of stuff, but screw that - anyone can play judge and know what is legal or not... I guess they have a whole "investigation team" on this. So cute.
    tommaso.zillio
    I don't remember receiving any money from Simon Candy, but if he did pay me for something, that would be because of his opinion on me and what I can do for him. He definitely does not have an opinion of me BECAUSE he pays me, let's be serious here. Now would YOUR opinion count, since you have an axe to grind?
    Tim_Hess
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    Tim_Hess · Sep 08, 2017 03:52 AM
    Goncalo Crespo
    Who are you, Tim Hess? I dont recall tommaso ever mentioning you. Do you actually know him?
    Tim_Hess
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    Tim_Hess · Sep 08, 2017 10:17 AM
    Goncalo Crespo
    Roger that. I will disregard any comment you post from now on as being serious then until you can prove you are either for real or post something that's serious.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Give it up Zillio. We've all seen the posts where Hess states only his products (e.g. him allowing you to work online) can be promoted, and must be promoted.  I understand Hess took 80% of Rock Band Success Coaching despite doing none of the work - what's your percentage? How much is Hess juicing you for? 
    tommaso.zillio
    So again, am I guilty of paying Tom Hess, or being paid by Tom Hess, or of doing (or not doing) something for Tom Hess for free? You guys come up with something different every time.
    Jordan_reynolds
    I assert that you are only allowed to trade online with permission from Hess, as he clearly bans disciples from doing so without his permission. Do you deny this? I assert that Hess took 80% off Draven for Rock Band Success Coaching even though Draven did all the work - as Draven has directly said that multiple times. Do you deny this? I therefore assert it is highly likely Hess is taking 80% off you - do you deny this? 
    M Scholtemeijer
    How do you know it was 80%?
    Jordan_reynolds
    Draven said directly that he was forced to pay Hess 80%. Is that not proof enough, do you need to see the actual financial accounts? 
    Jere Toikka
    Even if it was 80%, how would someone go about forcing someone into that? Last I heard contracts are entered into voluntarily...
    TomatoZero
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    TomatoZero · Sep 07, 2017 12:40 PM
    Jordan_reynolds
    Lots of negative comments, Hess has clearly set his disciples on this to make it seem like we are in the wrong hahahaha. 
    tommaso.zillio
    If your side has more people, then you must be right because you're more. If your side has less people, then you must be right because you're less. If we are exactly the same, then you must be right because you say so.
    carbenez
    Does your opinion count though, as you do nothing but mindlessly post the same negative comment?
    juliusfbarker
    Dr Zillio Tribute
    Jordan_reynolds
    Finally something remotely musical and creative has come out of Zillio's existence. I assume Hess will be taking his standard 80% cut out of allowing this to be online? After all he owns the internet right?
    tommaso.zillio
    The juliusfbarker video uses pedal points - just like I advise in the article above. It's the perfect demonstration that what I recommend works. 
    Tim_Hess
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    Tim_Hess · Sep 08, 2017 03:57 AM
    Jordan_reynolds
    Forgive me, Lord Hess, I did not mean to denounce you. I do not renounce you. Please do forgive me, Lord Hess. I will walk through the EGTIC forum pleading forgiveness and accepting my shame if only you forgive me. 
    jhestbech
    This lesson brings up some good ideas on how to use the pedal point in a different way. I'm gonna have to try the bluespedalpoint in my practice routine tomorrow. 
    Brad Litton
    Repetition is used in lots and lots of melodies and it continues to be used because....it works. Good stuff, Tommaso.
    macatom
    Has an SOS gone out on the TH forum?  Did someone shine the Hess-signal over Gotham?  How else can we explain yet another THMC correspondence student arriving right on cue to give a shining testimonial? 
    carbenez
    How can we explain yet another detractor arriving right on cue to give a mindless bashing?
    macatom
    I think if you actually took off the tinfoil hat you might realise that the people "bashing" have perfectly valid opinions.
    bcmarks75
    What are those valid opinions? All is see are personal attacks. Has Tommaso done something to you personally? Has he attcked personally whenever you publish an article? If so, kindly point us to the article?
    Jere Toikka
    I think if ou actually took off the tinfoil hat you might realise that the people supporting their friends have perfectly valid opinions.
    Brad Litton
    macatom
    Get a life? Says the guy who came up with "repetition is used in lots and lots of melodies..." Gee, d'ya think so, Captain Obvious?
    Jere Toikka
    Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate...
    macatom
    Hessers gonna emoji :twat:
    Jere Toikka
    For once you are correct: We do love our emojis! If that makes us twats in your eyes then so be it
    macatom
    Jere, I don't think you're a twat. I don't know you and that was just my attempt at a little brevity. I honestly have no beef with anyone here on a personal level other than I truly believe that the way you all appear as these Stepford Wives for Hess is hella creepy. Any form of group-speak makes me, and lots of other people, uneasy and I really don't want this site to go that way.
    carbenez
    is not all the Hess hate by the same few commentators group think? I mean, the way you all appear as these Stepford Wives against Hess is hella creepy.
    Jere Toikka
    This is very interesting. I have no idea why us as a group would make you freaked out. Can you explain more about this? From my point of view this is just a close-knit group of friends. And friends support each other. At least good friends do!
    Jordan_reynolds
    Hess is not your friend. You'll learn that one day.
    Brad Litton
    Actually, Tom Hess is one of my very best friends. As is Tommaso Zillio. As is Darryl Powis. All are stellar, upstanding dudes of the caliber that you'll never experience having in  your close circle of friends. Sucks for you.
    Jordan_reynolds
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    Jordan_reynolds · Sep 08, 2017 05:13 AM
    tommaso.zillio
    "Yeah cus you so know everything about me, my life and my friends don't you." Said by the guy who... (pfff... I can't...) believes that I give 80% of my money to Tom Hess?? HAHAHAHA eehhhh....
    Jordan_reynolds
    I never once said you give 80% of your money to Hess. I said there is evidence that in the past, when Hess has allowed people to work online, he has demanded 80% of the profits. And he allows you to work online.  Feel free to disprove my speculation by telling us how much you do kick up to Hess? 
    Jere Toikka
    I never reealised you are the authority on who my friends are and who are not  
    Jordan_reynolds
    The woman Hess ended up calling a lying whore, a cunt, 'cunt is too good for her' etc. once considered Hess a good friend also. 
    Jere Toikka
    Yes, until she betrayed him.  I fail to see your point.
    Jordan_reynolds
    You claim to have proof she betrayed Hess. Please provide proof. 
    Jere Toikka
    I understand you want us to provide this proof (I would want the same in your shoes). But I will resort to the phrase 'It is not my story to tell'. Just know that the people who saw things go down have no doubt about it. Apologies if that leaves you unsatisfied but I think you understand sometimes you cannot share details people aren't privy to.  I remember in school when rumours were going around sometimes I would ask for details from someone who was opposing the rumours and they would essentially say the same "It is not my story to tell, but I assure you the rumors are wrong". I remember the feeling of wanting to know more, but knowing I can't have it. Granted, you do not know me personally so you probably take what I say with a grain of salt. Again, understandable.
    bcmarks75
    That says a lot about you and your level of loyalty to your friends. When my friend is being attacked I will defend him.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Even when he's being attacked for leaked posts where he calls people cunts, whores, lying whores, 'whore is too good for her', states 'altruism is evil', says only Hess products can ever be promoted and outrightly lies about leaving 'tens of thousands of dollars on the table' by turning down EGTIC students, whilst neglecting to mention that only extends for a 4 mile lock out? HA! 
    tommaso.zillio
    And let's not forget, according to Mr Reynolds, Tom Hess also wants 80% of your money. Such is the price of the cult!
    bcmarks75
    Where do you get all of your "information"? Your version of the story has many holes in it. You should probably make sure you have all relevant information. Funny that you guys using the work lies... I really appreciate the irony. 
    bcmarks75
    Is there a Tommaso or THMC hater SOS that goes out as well? You guys get here in droves to bash without even mentioning the content of the video. That is some strange behavior. 
    Jordan_reynolds
    The content of the video is irrelevant when it comes from a known and outed Hess disciple who has been shown online admitting to lying to student's fathers for his own financial benefit. 
    bcmarks75
    So then why not take that up with Tommaso directly? Why comment here? What purpose does that serve? If he really was such a dishonest man and you wanted to "get the word out" why on earth would you do it on this forum?  The answer is that you and your gang of "outed, known" (see how dumb that sounds) Tommaso and THMC haters really don't know anything. You prove it (ironically this is the only thing you guys prove) eveytime you type. You have to resort to lying in a weak attempt to make a point. You take any word that supports your argument without any sort of verification. Draven said..... What if I said, Tommaso never did.... or Tom Hess never said....? By your own standards, you would have to accept that since you only accept what people say. We both know that isn't the case since you will only accept what you want to believe.   You would like to believe that you are being honorable, in reality you are anything but. You can't even use your real names. 
    Jordan_reynolds
    You are right that I have no more than Draven's word. You are right on that. But to say that we are 'lying' when we point to screenshots of what Hess and Zillio actually wrote ... where's the lie there? Please explain to me. 
    Jere Toikka
    The lie is stating something as an absolute when it isn't. You state something that is your opinion as fact. I'll state it again: The screenshots about Tommaso don't have anything about blackmail or lying in them. That is all your interpretation. Tom Hess' comments and name-calling are in context of him and his students getting stabbed in the back. Pointing to the screenshots is understandable. (The original act of stealing them and leaking those out with the intent to defame is classless, but I digress)  Claiming that they are undeniable proof is something that will be challenged. Because they are not.
    Jordan_reynolds
    1) I never said Zillio blackmailed anybody. Show me evidence of me saying anything about blackmail. Once again you are being slimey trying to shift the argument.  2) Even if Hess was 'stabbed in the back' - something he has never proven - it still wouldn't excuse that behaviour IN MY OPINION. If you think otherwise, fine, but ask yourself seriously if you'd want a 14 year old child of yours in the company of someone who feels it appropriate to be have like that at work.  3) Putting up screenshots from a forum isn't stealing. If someone took a screenshot of Ultimate Guitar (something Zillio has said he is doing, for some reason), could I hire a lawyer and say that my content had been stolen? Does Hess specifically state when you sign up that people aren't allowed to take screen shots, with a penalty of legal action if they do so? No he does not. 
    Jere Toikka
    I never said Zillio blackmailed anybody.
    Sorry about that. Mixed up Daniel Rowe and you.
    Even if Hess was 'stabbed in the back' - something he has never proven
    Actually he has. But you'll have to take my (and multiple other EGTIC members') word for it. If that word is taken with a grain of salt, I understand.
    wouldn't excuse that behaviour IN MY OPINION.
    Okay and in my opinion it is totally warranted and understandable in such a situation. And this was said in a business mentoring forum. If my hypothetical 14-year old were mature enough to pursue entrepreneurship and were smart enough to get a mentor too I'd think he can handle a few swearwords. About NDA's concerning a private forum (Unlike UG which is open to the public). I am not a lawyer so cannot comment on that aspect. But there definitely are rules about what you can share and what you cannot. For someone to violate those rules with intent of smearing honest people... I find it disgusting to be honest.
    Jordan_reynolds
    OK well thank you for your respectful reply - even if I don't agree with all of it. You brand Hess's language 'totally warranted and understandable' but someone leaking a few screenshots 'disgusting'.
    Jere Toikka
    Attempting to smear honest people is disgusting people in my book. I'd wager the same goes for your book. Take a look at it from my perspective: Someone who I personally know, previously would have called a friend and helped many times wants to smear people I know and like. I stand by my claim: Disgusting.
    Jordan_reynolds
    'Attempting to smear' - this isn't speculation, this is leaking the screenshots of what these people have said, under their own signatures. 
    Jere Toikka
    If they didn't want to smear anyone, why did they only leak the posts most likely to be misunderstood? The people posting this are very vocal about wanting to take Tommaso and Tom Hess down.
    Jordan_reynolds
    There's nothing to be misunderstood about the language Hess used - totally inexcusable and betraying an out of control ego and complete lack of professionalism. This idea that somehow there is missing context that justifies calling people lying whores and cunts... no, just no. 
    Jere Toikka
    I thought we covered this already?? In your words:
    Even if Hess was 'stabbed in the back' [...] it still wouldn't excuse that behaviour IN MY OPINION. If you think otherwise, fine [...]
    Let's leave the question of language aside for a moment... Do you understand and/or agree that someone who is betrayed is justified in feeling angry and upset about it?
    antonyreynaert
    Yes, this makes perfect sense. The content of the video is irrelevant because you are bashing the author with smear words. Please, everyone who was ever thrown mud at move to the irrelevant line right now. 
    lgattenby
    Actually, you can see it outside of the Hess forum.  I have been a student of Tom Hess since 2005 (probably before you were born).  I became inactive about 5 years ago to go on 'walkabout'.  When I started to see torches and pitchforks, I decided to come back to THMC.   So... lets get this party started.  I love a good counter-trolling...
    Tim_Hess
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    Tim_Hess · Sep 08, 2017 03:53 AM
    Jordan_reynolds
    I assume you will now make an extra secret area of the forum only available to people who replied with a positive comment within the first five minutes of posting? 
    tommaso.zillio
    Yes and all the member will be forbidden to shave and give 80% of their money to Tom Hess - just like you claimed. HAHAHA you guys are ridiculous.
    RyanMueller
    Do you guys seriously have nothing better to do? How much time have you invested into hounding Tommaso's videos and accounts and bashing him online? Can you imagine what great things might happen if you took that time and invested it into something productive? This is pathetic. Grow up. On another note, cool video Tommaso - I dig it. Good way to spice up a stale melody, or get started creating a new one!
    macatom
    It doesn't take a lot of time really. People standing up for something that they can see is clearly messed up is ok in my book. We're not going away til this stops.
    RyanMueller
    "It doesn't take a lot of time really."
    Based on the sheer volume of comments on UG, YouTube, his Facebook pages, etc. I beg to differ.
    "People standing up for something that they can see is clearly messed up is ok in my book."
    Exactly why many of us keep coming back to defend him. The obsession you guys have with him is really messed up - it reminds me of those freaks who get plastic surgery to look like they're favourite celebrity - except you guys are praising. Tommaso invests a lot of time and effort into helping his own students (and now other guitar players and songwriters around the world, who can only see his work from online) become better musicians and feeling fulfilled playing their favourite instrument in the way they've always wanted to do it. How is that messed up?
    macatom
    "it reminds me of those freaks who get plastic surgery to look like they're favourite celebrity - except you guys are praising." Firstly I think this says a lot more about you than me. Secondly, I have no idea what you are talking about but it gave me a chuckle so thanks.
    RyanMueller
     Firstly I think this says a lot more about you than me. 
    How so?
     Secondly, I have no idea what you are talking about 
    Not surprised.
    RyanMueller
     except you guys are praising.
    Whoops, that's a typo. Meant to say "aren't" - my bad.
    macatom
    Yes. This was why it made no sense. Your incredibly witty "not surprised" zinger looks a real dick move now, right?
    RyanMueller
    Yes, in this case it was now out of line. Now that that's cleared up, any thoughts on what I said?
    Jordan_reynolds
    You're defending someone who we have all seen, in plain English, admitting to outrightly lying to a student's father, trying to manipulate the kid and saying that he would stop him going to college 'when he had sufficient leverage'. This isn't speculation, or guessing - we've seen it with our own eyes. Why do you keep pretending this didn't happen? Not to mention being in bed with Hess in the first place. 
    bcmarks75
    What exactly are you standing up for? What is so clearly messed up? Looks more like a bunch of children who are jealous of Tommaso and anyone who agrees with him and likes his articles, trying to bully them into not posting articles anymore. If you know so much more than everyone else, prove it. If you are as great as you claim to be it won't be hard to do. If you don't like or agree with what he has to say then simply ignore. 
    Jordan_reynolds
    Do you have the first clue about what you're talking about? 'Jealous' of a man who admits to lying to a student's father for his own personal benefit?  It HAS been proved this happened, in black and white, from Zillio's own warped writing. Yet when we offer this proof, you pathetically come back with 'prove it'. WE HAVE FUCKING PROVED IT! 
    RyanMueller
    Then show us the proof - unless you're all talk. Come on, now. You proved it once, surely you can prove it again, no?
    Jordan_reynolds
    The proof is all over the Clay videos. Hess's own words, Zillio's own words. If you don't think that constitutes proof then there's nothing else I can do to help. 
    RyanMueller
    What are the specific parts that said he lied? I've seen those screenshots too dude, in fact I'm part of his forum (GASP OH NO MY SECRET IS OUT! WHATEVER WILL I DO??? ). Point out exactly where he says he lied. Go on.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Wasn't really a secret - the list of Hess disciples has been out for some time now in public domain. 
    RyanMueller
    And yet you say things like "outed as Hess disciples" as if that's supposed to scare us. We're proud to say who we're aligned with. We feel no shame in it at all.
    Jordan_reynolds
    You are welcome to align yourself with Hess and I am welcome to abhor him and the things he says/does. Incidentally, just out of interest are you homophobic? As you downvoted my comment where I mentioned I was gay. 
    RyanMueller
    Nope, not homophobic at all. I have a number of gay friends. As for that downvote, let me go correct that - I was admittedly seeing a whole slew of cult accusations and might have been a bit click happy. You are right about that not warranting a downvote
    Jordan_reynolds
    Well thank you, that's cool. Apologies for jumping to a conclusion. 
    RyanMueller
    Apologies for that on my end as well.
    Jordan_reynolds
    No worries man it's cool. Now we can get back to pointlessly fighting about Hess haha. 
    RyanMueller
    At this point I doubt as to whether we'll be able to see eye to eye on that. I stick up for Tom Hess and Tommaso because both guys have helped me immensely with my musicianship, my professional/business life, and with personal growth as a whole. There's no falling in line with my words, I speak from my heart.
    Jordan_reynolds
    That's cool man. You are of course welcome to your opinion on anything and everything - as am I and others who see Hess and Dr Zillio in a different light.  What I personally resent is people constantly saying we have 'no proof' that there have, at some point, been some unsavoury behavior going on, when clearly we do. That comes across like swearing blind that black is white to me. 
    RyanMueller
    I've been addressing that with macatom below. That shit exploded like dynamite. I've taken too much time out of my schedule today to deal with all of this and need to get back to work, but I'm going to leave you with what Jere Toikka has said numerous times to people here - don't confuse the actual facts with false interpretations of them.
    macatom
    My bad, Ryan. I've re-read a lot of what I wrote below and it descended into pettiness on my part. I apologise. Emotions got the better of me and my points towards you became personal. There was no call for that.
    RyanMueller
    We don't know each other personally at the end of the day, and it's very easy to throw stones when you have the protective barrier of a computer screen in front of you. I know I could've acted a lot more vulgar than I did. I'm sure we may still disagree (unless you've been convinced otherwise, I haven't checked the other comment thread), but I accept your apology. I stick to my guns but still have the integrity to admit when I'm in the wrong (as I did to Jordan above) and appreciate you doing so as well.
    tommaso.zillio
    Those the same "water-tight" sources that we give 80% of our income to Tom Hess? HAHAHA
    Jordan_reynolds
    Is Draven lying about giving 80% to Hess or not? You're talking as if I pulled 80% out of nowhere - an ex-business partner of Hess specifically said he had to give 80% to Hess.
    Jere Toikka
    Even if the 80% figure was accurate, what would be wrong about that? If Draven entered into a voluntary agreement with Tom Hess that is his and Tom Hess' decision. There was no force or making someone do something involved.
    bcmarks75
    Actually you haven't proved anything. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. You want it to be true but it isn't. No matter many times you type it. It isn't very interesting that you claim to stand up for truth but need to lie in order to do so. That is a tasty bit of irony.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Please point out how I've lied. The proof is right there in Clay's videos, where he shows actual Hess screenshots. How is that not proof, how is that a lie? Haha.
    Jere Toikka
    You seem really dense, so I'll say it agian to you: Separate the facts and your interpretation of the facts. Nowhere in those stolen screenshots you have seen does it state that Tommaso lied to the parents. That is just a twisted interpretation from people who are predisposed to hate on Tommaso. Heck, Levi Clay even admitted he wanted a "hit piece" on Tommaso. Why would you take an admitted hit piece seriously?
    Jordan_reynolds
    Can you read? If you can, you'll see that Zillio spoke and acted in a different fashion with the kid than he said he did when talking to the kid's dad. That's why nearly 2,000 people showed up to criticize Zillio's conduct on Facebook. I've seen the writings of Zillio and Hess with my own eyes and can make my mind up based on that (as I am not told what to think by Hess). Your completely flawed attempt to discredit the message by focusing on the medium is preposterous. So what if Levi wanted to do a 'hit piece' on Zillio (I don't think he ever said those words anyway), in what way would that change the truth of what's been outed? Anyway why are you posting on here when Hess explicitly told you not to? You are violating a direct commandment of Hess to his disciples. Do you denounce Hess? Do you renounce Hess? 
    tommaso.zillio
    To be fair, Mr. Reynolds, you also think that Tom Hess is divorced, that I'm giving 80% of my money to him, that we are part of a cult and other ridiculous things... You're also the one obsessing about all this on a comment thread for a music theory article.
    Jere Toikka
    I can read. That is why I want you to quote what specifically makes you thing Tommaso lied to anyone. I read the exact same posts as you did and actually on the forum never once did I think Tommaso lied to anyone. I am still really unclear as to how that can be read as "Tommaso lied". Question: Do you believe that I am honest with the last statement?
    Jordan_reynolds
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    Jordan_reynolds · Sep 07, 2017 05:45 PM
    Jere Toikka
    Again, keep the facts and your interpretation of them separate. Tommaso never said he lied to anyone. That is a false accusation. And he is not in bed with Tom Hess - From what I know Tommaso and Tom Hess are both happy to be in bed with their respective wives
    Jordan_reynolds
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    Jordan_reynolds · Sep 07, 2017 05:55 PM
    tommaso.zillio
    Did you just come up with this "wife leaving" piece of news, or you swallowed it whole when somebody told you? I'm screen shooting this, just so you know Mr. Reynolds.
    Jordan_reynolds
    I heard Hess's wife left him shortly after he left Rhapsody of Fire after 'philosophical differences' with the band. The sources from which I heard this are water-tight within the Hess community so I'd be surprised if they are wrong. 
    RyanMueller
    Your "water tight" source is full of shit.
    tommaso.zillio
    Then again, if that's the same "water-tight" source that says that I give 80% of my money to Tom Hess... I guess what this "trusted" source will come up with next. That we are a cult? HAHAHAHA
    tommaso.zillio
    Maybe these sources are not so "water-tight" as they tell you. I wonder what other bullshit they fed you... and you believed it all because it's oh so juicy... It's also quite rich that you want to discuss private details in the life of others, but you set your brand-new profile (opened yesterday) to "private". From where this morbid obsession of yours originates?
    RyanMueller
    1. The fact that you said he lied proves that you know absolute dick all about that situation 2. I stick up for Tom Hess and Tommaso because the guidance and wisdom I've received from both men have helped me immensely both with my guitar playing and with other aspects of my life. That is why I speak highly of both - just referred a friend of mine interested in music theory to Tommaso's music theory site a few minutes ago. 3. As far as I know, Tom Hess is happily married.
    foreverMoR
    Thanks for the cool ideas. Appreciated!
    Lamboflog
     Does your opinion count though, as you pay to suck up to him aswell
    foreverMoR
    Ok then does your opinion about my opinion count? Using your logic it doesn't. Since you hate Tommaso and will go out of your way to attack him and anyone else who likes his material rather than actually debating about the content.
    Lamboflog
    in the interest of balance.  Strangely I don't attack those that actually write things of interest and quality
    carbenez
    And - what are your qualifications and the quantifications to make such judgements?
    foreverMoR
    Things of interest and quality according to what standard? And are you saying you go out of your way to attack everyone who does not write something you find interesting? Wow. You must a really busy person.
    Lamboflog
    Not so much interesting as just of a decent standard. This wasn't. How do I measure my standards? Well via the internationally accepted teaching standards of numerous teaching bodies and the university system.  Courses that are independently and externally verified. This material seems to lack that quality despite being lauded by it's authors acolytes with no measure of whether it is up to standard or not.  does that answer your question?
    carbenez
    Internationally accepted teaching standards - did I miss something or are these published somewhere? Is there a "Guitar Teaching" governing body that imposes regulations? The university system? Is there just one? More than one? Do all universities comply?
    lgattenby
    I would love to see those standards.  Additionally, I would love to see your assessment of a program you only see from the outside.  I would love to see how your information is a regurgitated mass spouted for hates sake.  But what I would really love, is we took this outside on a neutral Facebook page and discuss this like men.  Facebook/virgilleegattenby
    foreverMoR
    Sure.  So by this standard most of this website would not come close to measuring up. So why bother coming here if that is the case? Why even have an account here? I come to this website to get ideas to work with. Not to find university grade course material. This lesson meets that criteria for me.
    TomatoZero
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    TomatoZero · Sep 07, 2017 01:05 PM
    teresamaea
    This begs the question of why you feel this video must be judged by university standards. This forum is not a university, therefore this grading system doesn't apply. What does apply is, people are here to get ideas and inspiration, Tommaso is sharing ideas and inspiration, so by the standards that currently apply, there are good things in this video.
    bcmarks75
    Yes you do. How is this article not of quality or interest? Do you not find songwriting or creativity interesting? Strangely, anytime Tommaso posts an article, you tom on th attack but never stating why your don't like the article or video.
    carbenez
    does your opinion count though, as you do nothing but mindlessly repeat the same statement?
    lgattenby
    Depends on your definition of suck.  You should stick to three letter words as to not confuse yourself and/or others.
    Jordan_reynolds
    How much money have you given Hess and associated disciples and how much have you got back as a result? Is your wife happy with your situation? 
    carbenez
    What has anyone's wife got to do with the content of the video? Is your wife happy with your situation? 
    Jordan_reynolds
    I don't have a wife. I'm homosexual. 
    foreverMoR
    Funny how this has absolutely nothing to do with the actual content of this lesson. But since you seem very concerned about my wife I will tell you that she actually quit her day job thanks to our situation so she is extremely happy about this. So you don't have to fret about her anymore.
    Jordan_reynolds
    I'm happy to hear that Sir, glad you're doing well. But surely you would agree some of what has come out recently is completely inexcusable?
    Sam-Russell
    Have you noticed how the "evidence" that came out was presented?  IF the evidence was really evidence... would all the slander, piss taking, and mocking that took place... would that need to be there? Why not let the "evidence" speak for itself?  Why? Because it was evidence of nothing.  The only way to make it "look bad" was to present it through emotional outrage and logical fallacies.
    Jordan_reynolds
    'Evidence of nothing'? Hahahaha seriously what more proof do you need? We saw directly Hess calling Lauren Bateman a cunt, lying whore, saying whore was too good for her. We saw directly Hess banning people from 'even talking to anything that looks like competition' - does Hess own you, and everything about guitar, forever?  You Hess disciples have proven that even when directly confronted with proof and facts, you'll stick suck Hess off. Which will hurt all the more when he comes to fuck you over the way he does everyone else.
    Sam-Russell
    Yes he did call her those names... do you know why? I do. Are you against holding a woman responsible for her actions? Do you think that just because a human has a vagina they can get away with anything they want?
    Jordan_reynolds
    Putting words in my mouth and trying to change the argument. I didn't say anything about this being about a woman - the language used is completely inexcusable about ANYONE.  I note Hess disciples claim to have proof of how this was somehow justified, yet people close to Hess assert he has never actually offered the slightest proof. Interesting!
    Jere Toikka
    You just condemned yourself. You demonise someone for calling someone names, yet how many of your posts have been just as insulting? And don't pretend to know things you don't know It's not classy either.
    Jordan_reynolds
    How many of my posts have been just as insulting? None. I know exactly as much as I need to know to make a decision on Hess from the outrageous Hess leaks. 
    Jere Toikka
    Here is a small collection I just made to refresh your memory, all from your posts:
    When in bed together, making sweet love, do you wear a Hess mask, does she wear a Hess mask, or do you both wear Hess masks? I'd just like to know how deep this goes. 
    has been shown online admitting to lying to student's fathers for his own financial benefit
    in plain English, admitting to outrightly lying to a student's father, trying to manipulate the kid
    This is a man who is in bed with Hess (disgusting enough on its own)
    What is pathetic is sticking your head up Hess's ass
    you'll stick suck Hess off. Which will hurt all the more when he comes to fuck you over the way he does everyone else.
    I'm not miserable and hateful enough to ever dream of saying that about anyone.
    Judging from the leaks, noone is more hatefuland miserable than you God Hess. Or are you going to tell us that those are the words of a well adjusted and happy man? Hahahahaha.
    One day you will take your head off Hess's little winky
    you're too deep up Hess's orifices to be saved.
    Which will hurt all the more when he comes to fuck you over the way he does everyone else.
    only in an environment as warped as Hess's forum would anyone be brainwashed enough
    No, as you know people are offended by the way he treats minors, lies to their parents, sells things that aren't his to sell and leaps in to bed with the disgusting Hess. But if you want to sleep at night with your big Hess doll telling yourself it is only because 'people are offended that some people like to buy his stuff' then keep telling yourself that.
    Jordan_reynolds
    If someone insults me, I'll insult them back. I'm not at work and beholden by professional standards of conduct, as Hess was when he made those posts. 
    Jere Toikka
    Oh, and a final thing: Most of the people you insulted have never ever insulted you, so you claiming "I only insult back", like you seem to do is intellectual dishonesty.
    Jere Toikka
    I'm not at work and beholden by professional standards of conduct, as Hess was
    That is just your opinion, as you have stated previously.
    it still wouldn't excuse that behaviour IN MY OPINION.
    Jere Toikka
    Which one is it?
    How many of my posts have been just as insulting? None.
    or
    If someone insults me, I'll insult them back
    bcmarks75
    This might be the funniest thing that I've read. You don't havyour "facts" straight at all. What you're doing is the exact thing you're accusing anyone who doesn't share your opinion of doing. You're towing the company line without any independent thought of your own.
    Jordan_reynolds
    If that's the funniest thing you've ever read then I suggest maybe you should read more - I'm not that funny. We've seen the posts directly of what Hess said. There is no issue of 'getting facts straight'. And this thing about 'company line', what do you even mean by that?
    Jere Toikka
    He means your interpretation on what is written and your evaluation of peoples' personalities.
    bcmarks75
    Inexcusable in what way? What has Tommaso said or done that is inexcusable? What standard are you using to judge this? 
    jiri.dolezal.79
    Private profile? Who are you?? BTW, mind your personal affairs before anyone else`s.
    TomatoZero
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    TomatoZero · Sep 07, 2017 02:21 PM
    jiri.dolezal.79
    You must be out of your mind. Post whatever you want. Normal discussion is an unknown concept to you. Good bye Tomato.
    foreverMoR
    Thank you, I am happy to be doing well too : And yes, I totally agree that some of what has come out recently is completely inexcusable. To think that someone took small pieces of information from a very large private forum and posted them online without context, without doing in depth homework and analysis, and then presented it as absolute facts. Yeah, that to me is totally inexcusable.
    Jere Toikka
    There is nothing to excuse. Look at the facts without interpreting them one way or the other. Consider ALL options, not just the ones in line with your pedisposition or someone elses. In light of this, I agree that it is inexcusable that people are getting attacked by haters. Well haters gonna hate and so on and so forth...
    Jordan_reynolds
    What's the excuse for calling someone a lying bitch, a whore, a lying whore, 'whore is too good for her'? 
    foreverMoR
    So you have never called anyone a bad name before? HA! Not even Tom Hess or Tommaso? HA! No doubt you have. If you haven't well you are a better person than most. Congrats. If someone that you once trusted uses you and steals from you, you don't just smile at them and call them nice names. You get pissed and you call them bad names. Period. Human nature. Especially in private and to people you know.
    Jordan_reynolds
    I can confirm I've never talked or behaved that way whilst at work, in a professional context (which Hess was doing, on his forum - that's part of his business, right?) Changing it to be about how I behave in person is, again, shifting the argument to try to absolve Hess. I note also nobody has ever shown any proof that the person in question stole/lied to Hess - he just expects everyone to go along with it. 
    Jere Toikka
    Wait so it is OK for you to behave in such a way, because it is his private life? How about Tom Hess, in his private life on a private forum and as a part of a business that is his private property? Last I read the dictionary, the word professional referred to whether or not you do something for a living and not whether you swear while doing it  
    Jordan_reynolds
    My point is that people obviously know Hess crossed the line with his comments and try to excuse it by saying 'have YOU never said something like that about someone?' Well first of all, no, I've never said anything that bad about someone. Especially not whilst at work. I'm not miserable and hateful enough to ever dream of saying that about anyone. You seem to have no grasp at all of what professionalism is, either. Seriously, do you defend Hess's words? Do you think that's appropriate?  If Hess doesn't have the balls to defend what he himself says, hiding behind how supposedly private and secret it is, then that's on Hess. As a Hess disciple, don't you see a problem in that Hess outrightly lied to you about catching moles but they are still leaking to Levi?
    foreverMoR
    Where is your proof there are still moles? I haven't see a single thing leaked since the last one was discovered. Seems to me your information is incorrect.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Dude Levi posted Tom's post saying that he had caught the moles and several other posts since - doesn't that prove he hasn't caught the moles? 
    tommaso.zillio
    We are all giving 80% or our moles to Tom Hess. Such is the price the cult demands
    Jordan_reynolds
    Wow 6 upvotes for such hilarious humor. Does the below look familiar? Proof that Hess is lying to you about having the moles? HA! "Update: We confirmed on our own there was a second mole.  This person has been caught (fairly easily actually - we used a new method to catch this person). The proof is 100% certain.  This person was never an EGTIC member and has no access to the EGTIC forum.  THMC is proceeding forward with this new information in our own way.  The two don't yet realize the consequences of their actions."  
    Jere Toikka
    Lol that the best you got? Please explain where in that post Tom Hess said all moles have been caught
    Jordan_reynolds
    Haha so how many moles are there? More than 2? 3? 10?  You're paying money for access to a forum that everyone else can see for free - congratulations. 
    Jere Toikka
    With the same logic nobody should pay for music that can be pirated. Seems like a totally moral and sustainable course of action...
    foreverMoR
    Yes you are correct that did happen. Good point. It seems like another mole must have appeared after that post and contacted Levi. I suspect they must have been caught because nothing has appeared after that to indicate otherwise. So as far as I am concerned all the moles have been caught.
    Jordan_reynolds
    So if Levi put up yet more evidence that the moles haven't been caught, yet Hess is saying they have, would that raise any alarm bells with you? Why does Hess never provide any proof for whatever he says about this?
    foreverMoR
    Yes, of course, I would be very concerned if more recent evidence appeared.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Does the below not count as evidence that Hess still doesn't have the moles and is lying about having them? How else would Levi still be leaking the below?  "Update: We confirmed on our own there was a second mole.  This person has been caught (fairly easily actually - we used a new method to catch this person). The proof is 100% certain.  This person was never an EGTIC member and has no access to the EGTIC forum.  THMC is proceeding forward with this new information in our own way.  The two don't yet realize the consequences of their actions."  
    foreverMoR
    Yeah, this is the information I was referring to in my previous post above. After this was posted on the forum it seems another mole appeared and like I mentioned already I am confident that one was caught and there are none left. Nothing has appeared since that post.
    Jere Toikka
    Professionalism means making money out of something and having a high level skill at it. It has nothing to do with whether you're a good person or not. An assassin is a professional, even though he kills for a living. As to swearing and profanity making someone a bad person: Ever hear about the psychological study that concluded “a consistent positive relationship between profanity and  honesty; profanity was associated with less lying and deception at the  individual level and with higher integrity at the society level”?
    Jordan_reynolds
    When one is marketing to young, impressionable minds aged 14+ in an educational environment then 'professionalism' means A LOT more than just 'making money out of it and having a high level skill at it'. Surely that should be obvious, even to you. You are really scraping the barrel now if you think that Hess's leaked posts somehow prove he adheres to high levels of personal conduct. 
    foreverMoR
    Interesting you mention work. What does work have to do with it? Obviously you don't do that at work. But in private conversations with people you know and trust? In that setting, probably, since you made the distinction. The words were said on a private forum. Owed by the person who said those words. To people he knows and trusts. It wasn't at work like at an even or during training sessions. This was a discussion like you would outside of work. BTW. You have no right to that proof. NONE. If someone robs your house and you have proof you don't have to provide it to every tom, dick and harry that asks you for it. That's plain silly.
    macatom
    Wow, you have the audacity to suggest people have "no right to that proof". Does it make the proof inadmissible??  Of course not but nice try, It was provided by people within your own organisation. People who have had enough.  Who want to expose what is really going on. Nobody has "robbed a house",  the information was shared with them as paying members and they chose to pass that information on.  It is not copyrighted data, it is open discussion on a platform they had access to.
    foreverMoR
    I have no idea what you are talking about. Jordan mentioned that Draven asked for proof about the situation, I answered that he has no right to it, period. No one "has to" give Draven any proof about anything whatsoever. None. Zero.
    Jordan_reynolds
    ... but if someone robs my house and I ask other people to never associate with that person again because they are such a bad person, to not be their friend, not be their business associate, totally ostracise them from the community then yes, under those circumstances I would expect people to demand proof rather than just blindly following me. Hess has never provided proof - we know that from multiple sources including Chad and Draven, both formerly very very close to Hess and neither of whom stand to gain anything by BS'ing about this. Plus I think work has everything to do with it because this is how Hess conducts himself at work - the forum is part of his work, is it not? Seriously if someone random used that sort of language about people, would you be happy putting your 14 year old child in to study with them? 
    foreverMoR
    You are correct, as a member, I expected proof. And I received it. So you are 100% correct on what to do with that information and this is why I do not associate with that person anymore.  Chad and Draven have zero right to that information. Period. They are no longer members.  I understand that you do not like what was said. You have every right to not like it, to abhor it, whatever.  One isolated incident does not make up the entire character of a person. I am sure you have had choice words about people outside of work in private and if I was told about this it would not be fair for me to judge your entire character based on that one thing right? 
    Jere Toikka
    And how would you know what proof is there and what is not? Just asking
    Jordan_reynolds
    We've all seen the Hess leaks now. Draven said he asked Hess for proof loads of times and Hess just kept pretending it was all so secret and mysterious that he couldn't go in to detail.  We've also seen Hess tell people to 'pack their shit up and get out' (of his virtual forum lol) if they don't back him 100% without any proof at all. Is that normal behaviour?
    bcmarks75
    Ah yes, Draven said it so it must be true. Did Draven also say that he entered in to an agreement with Tom Hess (none of us, including you, know what that agreement was) and did he expect to be held to that agreement? Those are questions you should be asking, we know that you won't because that might lead to you actually finding out the real story. 
    Jordan_reynolds
    Can you read? I never said Draven didn't enter voluntarily, or that he was scammed. I merely said he had to give 80% to Hess. 
    Jere Toikka
    If the percentage was 80%, so what?
    Jordan_reynolds
    I've never said 80% is good or bad. Just that it's what happened with Rock Band Success Coaching.
    tommaso.zillio
    Objection: hearsay
    Jordan_reynolds
    So are you going to come out and say Draven is lying or keep dancing around the issue, good sir?
    tommaso.zillio
    Please show me proof that Draven said that. I have only your word for it, I'm not going to accuse a person of lying based on second- or third- hand evidence (like others do... EHM...)
    Jordan_reynolds
    He definitely said it, recently in fact, online. Quickest, most efficient way to prove it would be to ask Hess yourself (if you seriously don't know already)?  He's clearly quite open about his dealings with Hess and how he now has nothing to do with him as a result of how he was treated.
    tommaso.zillio
    Screen shot or it didn't happen. Come on, show me what you got.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Ask Hess or Draven yourself. If I'm wrong I'll donate $1,000 to a charity of your choice but let's face it, you know I'm right. 
    tommaso.zillio
    Put that in writing, sign it, and contact me. I dare you.
    Jordan_reynolds
    I have put it in writing ... it's there just above, do you see?  Draven is very vocal online talking about how Hess charged him 80% for rock band success, how he now loathes hess and is glad to be out from under him. Do you deny that is true? He's hardly the only one haha. 
    tommaso.zillio
    Backpedaling already? Mr. Reynolds, every time we get onto verifying your claims, you shy away. Put this in writing, sign it, let's make it legally binding. If so many people say it it must be true, so what you are afraid of? 
    Jordan_reynolds
    I'm not backpedalling at all. Talk to Draven then come back and tell me I'm wrong. He's gone on record renouncing hess. He now denounces hess. 
    Jordan_reynolds
    Here is Draven's words, direct from Draven: 'I was his business partner for 6 years in Rock Band Success Coaching; although with how I was treated, I have a difficult time using the term "partner." I got caught up in defending Tomhess too. I didn't truly see it for what it was until I was out of it, and then wish I had ended our partnership years earlier. And now it's infinitly worse than it used to be! Tom's been making some very vile comments about former members lately. Actually, it's gone on for a long time, but used to be just in emails. Now it's being made public. THMC has come to fit the very definition of a cult. Sad really. When I first met Tom, he was great. When I partnered with him to coach bands, things were still pretty great. Then he joined and lost Rhapsody of Fire, got divorced, and Uli took over, and everything went south, slanderous, vile, and extremely self-centered very fast. I wish the Rock Band Success Coaching students could've seen everything I created for them and pushed to implement. Besides writing and recording the entire course myself, I had completed and ready-to-go plans for a belt system for motivation and accountability. I was also a lot more open to direct coaching calls than Tom would let me be. The deal was that I write the content, coach the students, and do everything short of managing the bands I coached, while THMC would market the course. I was getting about 25%, which I had to negotiate hard for. In the end, it wasn't being marketed at all because they wanted me to do everything, including all the marketing. Any ideas I had were shot down immediately, no matter how complete and ready-to-go it was, how much it benefited the students, or how much it improved the course. If it wasn't Tom's idea, it was shot down. If it was Tom's idea, I was told it was happening, not asked. What a partnership! They also started constantly pushing me to revoke my own copyright to the material, and even trheatened legal action if I continued to coach bands or write materials outside of or after our partnership As for EGTIC, MCMP, etc, you can learn the same stuff for far less money, and from people who don't treat their community like a cult and use scare tactics, intimidation, public shaming, and threats to keep people "in line."
    jiri.dolezal.79
    Besides non-compete agreements, there are also non-disclosure agreements. It seems that you are not fully aware of it if you post something like this.
    Jere Toikka
    Dancing around what issue? You yourself said there is no issue with 80% if that were the case
    foreverMoR
    LOL What "right" does Draven have to that information? Answer. NONE. That's hilarious.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Well I think if someone is demanding 100% loyalty as per the leaks and openly using the most appalling language about someone as well as insisting people cease being their friend or business associate then yeah proof is demanded. If you disagree then fair enough sir.
    foreverMoR
    Yes, I agree proof is needed, as a member, to make a proper decision. And like I said elsewhere, I have sufficient proof in this case. A business owner has a right to do business with whomever they chose. If they no longer want to train me because I associate with certain people, or whatever, that is their right.  Or I can freely choose to stop doing business with this person if want to if I would prefer to continue associating with them. I have the freedom to choose. No one can force me to be loyal if I do not want to be.
    Jordan_reynolds
    But do they have the right to 'demand 100% loyalty' and have you unfriend them, start to treat them as an 'unperson'. Imagine how psychologically damaging that must be.  You are completely right that someone can do whatever they want - when it becomes telling other people what they can and can't do, that I have a problem with. 
    foreverMoR
    Of course they have a right to do so.  Most companies have non-compete and conflict of interest rules that you have to abide by 100% or you can be fired. Period. And yes it can and does go as far as friends on Facebook. Companies have a right to protect their intellectual property and this is one way they do it. So I see zero problem with a company/individual asking 100% loyalty from people they train or do business with if they want to.  Again, if I do not like those conditions I am 100% free to stop associating with the person or company who is requiring it.
    teresamaea
    Tom Hess has helped other families get to better situations, including Tommaso's, through his mentoring. Tommaso has a joint venture with Tom Hess that is mutually beneficial. Tommaso didn't have to do that, he chose to.
    Jordan_reynolds
    So why doesn't Zillio openly advertise the fact he is a Hess disciple and has to kick most of his money back to Hess and let people make their own judgements on whether they want to deal with him or not?  BTW, we have ample evidence that no Hess disciple 'chooses' to do anything. Hess tells them what they are going to do then shats his pants if they refuse. 
    tommaso.zillio
    You mean the fact that I mention him in my bio on my website is not "openly" enough for you? Are you guys even taking the time to check the claims that some people are passing you, or are you swallowing that Kool Aid with eyes closed? (after all YOU are not a cult, right?)
    RyanMueller
    You do realize that if you go on Tom Hess' site, check out his student testimonials, that Tommaso is listed there right? No one is hiding that he's a student of Tom Hess.
    aldo.chircop
    Very nice tips on how simple ideas can help you generate a lot of interesting variations. Thanks for this.
    josh.ross.5
    Great article/video Tommasso! Repetition is a great strategy for creating memorable melodies. It can be tempting to overcompicate songwriting. 
    FryingPan9
    Interesting lesson. I will have to watch it again with my guitar sometime and study it a bit closer.
    bcmarks75
    Thanks for the great article and video Tommaso. Tons of useful info here. 
    vishaal.kapoor
    Great lesson- thanks so much. Its always a 'mystery' when it comes to writing melodies. Mystery solved!
    Andrew Tintle
    Pedal point is something I had used a lot in my own playing, but for some reason I never really thought to cross through the pedal point the way you described. I like that idea a lot and will be trying it out! 
    songwriterssh2
    Thank you for the lesson! What fascinates me is human behaviour.. If one likes the video - great! If not, stop watching. That should be all there is to it. What is the constant fuss about?
    Jordan_reynolds
    Have you seen the Hess leaks? 
    rhett4
    In what way are 'Hess leaks' relevant to this video? Or are you going to sound like a tin-foil hat wearing nut job again ranting about a 'destructive cult' of guitar players. Sounds like the plot to a bad B horror flick.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Hess himself is banned from here yet Zillio posting means Hess is, to all intents and purposes, still posting on here - as we know Hess only lets people trade online if they kick money up to Hess. That is the issue - or are you truly too stupid to understand why that is a problem? 
    JohanTillgren
    That is the issue - or are you truly too stupid to understand why that is a problem?
    Are you smart enough to understand that it's okay for two people to voluntarily enter into a partnership? 
    Jordan_reynolds
    That isn't the issue. The issue is that Hess is banned but having Zillio here allows the tentacles of Hess to continue to squirm over UG. 
    JohanTillgren
    I bet your life would be a lot more stress-free if Tommaso wouldn't be posting lessons.....who would you have left to spend your days hating on? 
    Jere Toikka
    Hess himself is banned from here yet Zillio posting means Hess is, to all intents and purposes, still posting on here
    Ummm... No lol If Tommaso posts here, Tommaso posts here. Tommaso is not Tom Hess. By the way, why are you not vocal about people breaking this rule, which is actually being violated? "Do not complain about the article contents, the title of the article or the author. Doing so in the comments section is neither constructive nor helpful."
    Jordan_reynolds
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    Jere Toikka
    Grasping at straws much? Whole guitar community lol How many millions of people play guitar that you apparently speak for?
    Jordan_reynolds
    I notice you've gone quiet over the whole 'Hess didn't lie about finding the moles' debate. Willing to admit he lied yet? Do we need more leaks to know he lied yet? How does it feel to be let down by your messiah? Do you denonce Hess? Do you renounce him? Yeah, Google Hess's name and you definitely don't get a whole bunch of leaks to pissed off ex-Hess customers, or people laughing at his solos in Rhapsody of Fire. Yeah you're right, that definitely doesn't happen hahahahahaha. 
    M Scholtemeijer
    I really don't care about any haters, his program works well for me and my students. The whole world could hate him for all I care. I also don't care about how Tom Hess runs his business. If he ripped people off, get a lawyer and take him to court. Done.  Why hasn't this happend if he is running a criminal organization?
    Jere Toikka
    Tom Hess hasn't lied about catching all the moles. That is yet again something you interpret and then claim as if it was fact. A bunch of haters hating anonymously or even with their own name on the internet? I guess EVERYONE hates Taylor Swift too. And Justin Bieber. And Apple. And Microsoft. And Valve. And so on and so forth. There is more to the population than internet haters lol
    M Scholtemeijer
    "should be banned" I didn't know you owned this website. Since when do you write policies for Ultimate Guitar?
    tlaslop
    Wow, thanks Tommaso. I often get completely stuck in trying to make each and every note in the melody different, and then I wonder why it isn't catchy or any good!! Repetition can be really useful! Thanks for the great video!
    FryingPan9
    This blown up thread reminds me of an old story . . .  Back in the early 90s I was listening to the radio in my car and I heard an interview w/ the lead singer for Echo and The Bunnymen. Ian McCulloch or something like that.  I don't recall the names, but every time the DJ/interviewer named some band or singer/artist OTHER than Echo and The Bunnymen, the singer for Echo and the Bunnyman (man, that's getting annoying to type) made some snide or sarcastic comment about them.   It was really odd. I was not used to that sort of thing and it really rubbed me the wrong way.  I told my sister about it the next time we spoke (she was a pretty big fan of theirs). I just remember her saying, "If an artist does that kind of thing and has that kind of attitude it's ultimately a poor reflection on THEM." That's what all this bullshit reminds me of.  Just being a freaking accuser. Tearing someone down . . .  It can take a hundred years to grow a forest and yet some tosser with a careless match can come burn it all down. Have fun tearing apart my metaphor. I know you will. That's all you apparently know how to do--destroy things. Or try to anyway . . . 
    Jordan_reynolds
    Have you seen the Hess leaks? Sometimes it is justified to criticize things. Actual screenshots have been produced of actual evidence - yet when presented this evidence, Hess disciples state 'where is your proof?' 'you don't have 100% of the facts' etc.  I'm sure there are plenty of things in life that YOU would not turn a blind eye to if you saw them going on.
    tommaso.zillio
    "Actual evidence" like the one you have that Tom Hess is divorced? Or that I give him 80% of my money? (HA!) Methinks your standards of "actual evidence" are a bit too low...
    Jordan_reynolds
    I heard that Hess got divorced and Draven has said many times Hess made him kick up 80% of Rock Band Success to Hess. Don't see why anyone would lie about these things. I never said YOU kick up 80%, but if that's how Hess does business I'd be surprised if there was so much difference. If there is, great. Congraulations.  But please tell us, if Hess refuses to allow anyone to do business online (as we know from the leaks), how is it he allows you to do business online? What's going on there? 
    tommaso.zillio
    HAHA if he does not "allow" me, it's shady. If he does "allow" me, it's shady You don't see why someone would lie about this? You swallowed that Kool Aid without even asking what it was...
    Jordan_reynolds
    Tell me why someone would lie about this, sir? If I'm being lied to and you know this to be true, you should help me out right? 
    Jere Toikka
    I know you didn't ask me, but I have no clue wy someone would lie about Tom Hess' marital status. People say all kinds of stupid stuff and I don't understand half of the reasons why. For what it's worth, I've met Tom Hess' wife in person.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Current wife or the only wife he has ever had? It's perfectly possible he got divorced and married someone else. I don't see why the water-tight Hess sources I have would lie about this. 
    Jere Toikka
    I have been on the forum well since Tom Hess parted ways with RoF and have never heard any mention of anything like this. This begs the question: Who the fuck are your so-called water tight sources??
    Jordan_reynolds
    Lol Jesus seriously is this such a big deal? I heard Hess got divorced then re-married. If he didn't, fine - I don't really care but will happily accept when I'm wrong or have heard wrong. 
    Jere Toikka
    That was what I was thinking too - Why is this such a big issue? You were the one who brought it up, so I thought you cared. If you don't care, let's talk about something else.
    tommaso.zillio
    It's also possible he has a harem of wives, or that his wife is a clone. Seriously, what kind of contortions do you have to do to justify yourself believing in the rumours you heard? Again, I'm screen shooting all this so you can not take back what you are saying
    Jordan_reynolds
    Why would I take back anything I'm saying? It's perfectly reasonable to suggest Hess got divorced and married again, particularly as I've been told exactly that by water-tight Hess sources. 
    rhett4
    Why is it a 'big deal' if your information regarding Tom Hess getting divorced is wrong? (Which it is.) Well, most reasonable people, (upon finding out that their water-tight source just made them look like a buffoon with wrong information), would then question the credibility of their 'water tight sources'. 
    tommaso.zillio
    "It's totally reasonable to believe anything that makes me feel validated in disliking Tom Hess - no matter how far-fetched".
    Jordan_reynolds
    I've posted the quote from Draven (that you wrongly claimed didn't exist). It verifies Hess got divorced and that Draven had to give Hess almost all of the profits from his work - do you deny this? Do you denounce Hess? Do you renounce him? 
    M Scholtemeijer
    "it verifies Hess got divorced"! Haha! This is comedy gold! I must be seeing ghosts in Chicago! Yup, a hologram or something. That's it! His wife is a hologram now because the internet said so!
    M Scholtemeijer
    Haha, if your "sources" can't even get this fact straight, then how accurate or dependable are they when it comes to those other "facts"? It's hilarious what people will believe about him. I read somewhere that Tom Hess was a drug addict and all sorts of other stuff. And people take it at face value. Because "why would they lie?" is such a good reason to believe something.  Again, you're not going to believe anything I say because I'm a "cultist" but knowing Tom Hess personally for almost a decade this stuff is just hilarious to witness. You have no idea how far all of your claims are off. But don't take my word for it, I just find it very entertaining.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Which of the details Draven posted or leaks Levi put up are wrong? You can't just put the words "facts" in inverted commas and think that wins the debate somehow. 
    M Scholtemeijer
    Jordan, there is no debate. One side is convinced Hess is evil and have a bunch of out of context screenshots and stories which they don't like. And that's just fine. Like I said earlier, I'd probably be in the same camp as you if I didn't know these people personally or the whole story behind these "leaks". (You're still to show me where someone was suicidal and not offered any help, as I definitely would have offered that.) I know these people, I know the situations. For real, not through some internet stories. Believe it or not, you're wrong about them. You're also picking little bits of things I say which you try to counter and ignore whole other parts. Tell me how these sources have integrity if things like Hess being divorced are not true at all. How can they still be a water-tight source? Jordan, these "sources" are not impartial. You yourself seem convinced Hess is absolutely appalling, have you thought about the possibility that you may actually be wrong about this? Trust me (you don't but that's fine) if Tom Hess was as terrible as depicted then I would be the first to run. I guess all we can do is wait in see. Time will tell just how evil THMC really is.
    Jere Toikka
    The issue is that you never cite any specifics. You put up something and claim it is airtight proof. When asked for specifics on how on eath that makes proof you never do anything, even though that would be the simplest thing to do if what you claimed actually held up.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Lots of screenshots and posts have been posted, yet you just keep asking for more and more proof. If actual screenshots and direct quotes from people close to Hess aren't enough then what is?
    Jere Toikka
    How many times do I have to state this??? There is a difference between the words posted and how YOU interpret them. If you read any of the screenshots currently, none of the words as-is state that Tom Hess has lied or that Tommaso has lied. That is just your interpretation, and incidentally doesn't fit the character of either of those people. The interesting part is whenever I ask for a direct quote explaining this, there is at most one part direct quote and the rest is something that is a result of your interpretation. If this is so explicit, why not answer with ONLY direct quotes?
    M Scholtemeijer
    Funny how all these comments and discussions are only getting these lessons more exposure. The best strategy would be to just ignore it, but they do the exact opposite  And I can literally say that here, hand the golden bullet on a silver plate and it will have no effect at all. Very entertaining  
    Jordan_reynolds
    If you're seriously suggesting this is good publicity then ... wow. Just wow. 
    M Scholtemeijer
    Like I said, no effect at all. 
    Jordan_reynolds
    Yeah I'm sure parents are lining up to send their students to Hess after seeing the way he talks about people and acts. 
    M Scholtemeijer
    You're not getting it This is online marketing 101. Real basic stuff. This is exactly the reaction that is wanted. And you're falling for it. But you're not going to believe a word I say, that's the hilarious part of it.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Haha ... dude, online marketing 101 is NOT 'have people leak examples of you alluding to misleading a child's father, calling people cunts, sluts, lying whores etc. on the internet because yeah, any publicity is good publicity'.  Please direct me to the business book where it says that that sort of publicity is good for a firm.
    rhett4
    Now you've gone from "Tomasso lied to that kid's father" to "alluding to misleading a child's father". He did neither, but it's funny to watch you swing in the wind changing your 'facts' when you realize you have no proof. Do you work for CNN?
    Jere Toikka
    Good catch! I'd like to know more about how you think the allusion is to that specifically. In analysing literature in hugh school we always had to back up our interpretations. If we claimed A was an allusion for B, we had to make our case why. What you are doing is the total opposite: "A is an allusion for B, because it is so" News flash: Allusions aren't obvious, but rather indirect. Otherwise they wouldn't be called allusions Oh, also: In literature if the author is alive your best bet to know what an allusion is to is to ask the author about it, instead of making your own conclusions to fit your preconceptions.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Here's an interpretation I'd like you to explain: 1) Hess outrightly tells you all that he's caught moles. He provides no proof. 2) Moles continue to leak - how else would we know about Hess's false claim that he'd caught the moles, or have word for word Zillio's pathetic post trying to explain why it's ok to outrightly lie to a child's parents?  3) You claim that Hess hasn't lied to you, when he clearly has. Please do explain. Please do explain why you don't mind when Hess lies directly to you, or why you seem so obsessed with proof but don't ever ask your beloved Hess for any?
    Jere Toikka
    Get your facts straight. Give direct quotes with no interpretations on your part. There is no leaked screenshot I am aware of where Tom Hess says he caught ALL moles. How many times will you lie outrageously to try and prove your point? This is the reason you cannot give the answer with a direct quote: It requires in special terpretation to get the conclusion you want.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Here is the direct quote from Hess. Please explain how it is 'lying outrageously' to take the below as Hess's outright lie that he's caught the moles. Or are we saying there are 3 or more now? Jesus at this rate you'll soon have more moles than disciples! And what does that sentence at the end mean 'the two don't yet realize the consequences of their actions' hhahaha ooo I bet people are so scared of Hess and his disciples, what's he going to do, shoot people? "Update: We confirmed on our own there was a second mole. This person has been caught (fairly easily actually - we used a new method to catch this person). The proof is 100% certain. This person was never an EGTIC member and has no access to the EGTIC forum. THMC is proceeding forward with this new information in our own way. The two don't yet realize the consequences of their actions." 
    Jere Toikka
    You proved my point really nicely for me. Tom Hess didn't specifically say in this post that he caught all the moles, contrary to how surely you claimed that. Your assumption is based on incomplete information and/or confirmation bias. I know Tom Hess to value accuracy in his posts and he doesn't leave things vague by mistake. As to what the consequences are? I have some guesses, but they would just be speculation. Honestly probably only THMC and their lawyers know all the details.
    Jordan_reynolds
    Hahahahaha the famous 'legal department' of Hess. Yeah, all those lawyers who totally exist and aren't at all made up.  You have no idea how much you embarrass yourself repeatedly calling him 'Tom Hess' and actually believing the bullshit he comes out with and that he has a 'legal department' - are you not aware it's Hess in his underwear with his little beard pretending to have a legal department? By the way, no crime has been committed by taking a screenshot of a forum, just in case you're wondering.
    Jere Toikka
    By the way, no crime has been committed by taking a screenshot of a forum, just in case you're wondering.
    Are you qualified to give legal advice?
    Jordan_reynolds
    Not changing at all. Zillio lied. It's there in black and white, if you could pull your head out of Hess's ass for long enough to see it. Zillio stated, in plain English, that he doing the exact opposite with the kid to what he told the kid's dad he was doing. Is that not a lie, even on Planet Hess?  If actual screenshots from Hess's forum aren't proof then what is proof?  Also, funny how you don't ever need proof when Hess himself lies to you - he said he'd caught the moles yet they are still leaking, how do you explain that? Not only the absence of proof from Hess but also the fact that proof showing he's lying to you exists - please do explain.