Alice Cooper Going 4D

Alice Cooper and his band to become holograms for a huge event in London next month.

Alice Cooper Going 4D
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Alice Cooper and his band to become holograms for a huge event next month. The surviving members of the original Alice Cooper Band will be "reunited" onstage as part of an extraordinary event which will see the band turned into holograms for a show at the Battersea Power Station on 11 May. The "Jgermeister Ice Cold Event" is set to make history as the U.K.'s first holographic 4D rock gig and will celebrate the release of the new Alice Cooper box set "Old School: 1964-1974". Featuring original band members Alice Cooper, Dennis Dunaway, Neal Smith and Michael Bruce, plus Steve Hunter standing-in for the late Glen Buxton, the "Jgermeister Ice Cold Event" will be the first time the group has "appeared" together in the U.K. since 1972. "We couldn't resist this", says Alice. "Working with Jgermeister to appear as holograms on the other side of the Atlantic is the ultimate experience, a cutting-edge conjuring trick that celebrates the future and our history. We can't wait to see the results." Of course, this isn't the first time Alice has dabbled with holographic technology. In March 1973, Alice was the subject of the world's first 3D hologram piece of art, created by the surrealist (and Alice fan) Salvador Dali. An admirer of the band's shock tactics, Dali immortalized Alice as a hologram. Thanks for the report to PlanetRock.com.

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    dick_of_deth
    I would love to see the "Davey Johnstone" band lineup. I dug the sound of that black colored LP Custom that Mr.Johnstone played during the late 1970s and early 80s. He added this sound to such a classic showcase of songs. Alice Cooper is such a talent as a musician I get inspired by listening to every song. My personl fav sounds are the songs which he sings deeply and belts , building the melody to his signature screams as the song winds down. Davey Johnstone played with Meat Loaf and Alice Cooper when on breaks from the Elton John Band in the early 80s. btw, don't think i ever seen a pic of Alice with Steven Tyler standing next to each other. I'd like to see that.
    jack_freeman
    AnimatedHand wrote: lol. Im pretty sure 4D is just a name used to sound better than 3D, which at the moment everyone just thinks of films in the cinema, rather than going to see a concert.
    I agree 4 is much better than 3 so they use it to sound cooler. we live in 3d and move threw 1 called time. so going to a 4d show should be timetravel and Ya Id travel back to see Alice or Jim Jimmy or Janis.....
    AnimatedHand
    lol. Im pretty sure 4D is just a name used to sound better than 3D, which at the moment everyone just thinks of films in the cinema, rather than going to see a concert.
    dick_of_deth
    OK to be more focused. Four D? Well as long as the "Seat Speakers" don't make me shit when I meant to fart. Its sick!
    YetAnotherMuso
    people, no-one cares about the precise scientific definition of 4D. It's a bullsh*t marketing term. This thing would be kind of cool I guess, but it's such a novelty I can't see it happening on a wide scale.
    rain-man
    I will never go to anything that claims to be 4D. Call me an intellectual snob, it just bothers me that people think being ignorant is okay if they think it makes them sound cool.
    Sparky-MMA
    Baconfish wrote: So hands up everyone that never thought they'd see a minor physics debate on UG?
    you dont frequent the pit much, theres a physics thread that centers on strange stuff. astorphysics was the last one i think
    JimDawson
    (s)lice it. Even on some really crazy things that take you like five different readings to finally start to understand, (Pauli's Exclusion Principle really rings a bell for me!) shouldn't it just make learning other things that much easier? Like learning progressively more difficult songs to play for example. A constant drive to improve yourself, tolerance towards the views of others and the acquisition of new knowledge can only bring us more 'good metals to listens to', and I think that is amazing. Those same three things are also pretty much the foundation of good science too, so judging from that similarity I can deduce that science is, in fact, quite metal. I've made my point...
    RC52190
    aledeoliveira wrote: BassFishin wrote: Haha, I'll get in on this. This is officially the first "3D" concert. All of the others (like movies) are just 2D images that give the perception of being "3D". If Alice Cooper could somehow create a 4D image, Carl Sagan would rise from the grave and sh*t himself, I swear. so what you're saying is that real life live concerts are in 2D? really?
    Nowhere in that comment does he state or even imply that. I don't understand at all how you could have possibly come to that conclusion. You couldn't even read the comment properly? Really?
    joshmckinnon
    isn't 4-d time? as in time itself is the fourth dimension? Its just 3d holographic projections. But so cool!!
    RC52190
    Shaungr wrote: I don't like the "new age" metal fans. With their college degree's and whatnot...
    Yea those little pricks need to shut their smart ass mouths... Btw no apostrophe is necessary over the word "degrees," just saying... But I digress... Smartasses!
    Air_Stryker
    I think the 4D part of it is time... The idea being that this is as close to the original line up that they're gonna get. And because they're playing on one side of the Atlantic and being projected to the other.
    JimDawson
    Seriously, someone posted a link many comments back to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-D_film and according to what it says "4-D film (sometimes written as 4D film) is a marketing term that describes an entertainment presentation system combining a 3-D film with physical effects in the theatre, which occur in synchronization with the film." According to this definition, which seems like the best one I have seen on the subject so far, they obviously aren't referring to time as the fourth dimension in this case. While in the correct scientific terminology the fourth dimension is time, (and I have actually nerded out to books relating to this kind of theoretical physics stuff) in this context the 'fourth' dimension sounds like another layer of the presentation which seems to take place in an environment rather than on a screen... and that just sounds more like the utilization of 3D space (holograms moving around in it) instead of simulated 3D images displayed on a 2D screen. Looks like this 4D is just a marketing term, which seems well played in my opinion with all of this big 3D stuff still fresh in our minds. Maybe I am getting a bit too ahead of myself with this, but come to think of it a holographic theater would be pretty badass if they did it right; definitely a step up from the current idea of '3D presentation'. On a side note, something I thought about awhile back is that while time is regarded as a fourth dimension I think that there is a good possibility that it is just a result of the standard 3D reality we all know about. While I will admit that this is just some bit of backyard science and that I'm by no means a professional in this field, I believe it is reasonable to say that we(scientists) know there is a relationship between the size(?) and mass of an object and how strong its gravitational pull is; I am sure someone figured out some formula to describe this. Scientists have also noted that there is a strong connection between gravity, speed and time; a good example of this would be black holes. According to a theory which- as far as I know- has been proven through observation and math, really dense objects actually seem to 'compress' time around them, making some area around them actually move slower through time to an outside observer. At the same time, I imagine that to the reference point of something falling into a black hole, it would be ripped apart at ridiculous speeds while the event would take a really long time to someone watching from very far away. The point is, while I am not really sure how speed fits into the equation (unless gravity has some sort of 'lag' on moving objects) since people know that you can predict the gravitational pull of something by simply how big it is, and there is a well known correlation between gravity and time, one could reason that gravity could be caused by mass (3D stuff) which as a result brings about a sort of 'distortion' in time... or maybe mass is related to time, which, because things closer to something big (Earth for example) would move slower through time rather than something a bit further away (research 'tidal force of gravity' if you care about learning more about this) from it and I believe that a result of this variance in time could actually be what we know as gravity. Think about it, if one side of something was moving slower through time than the other side, but people all over that something WITHIN THEIR OWN REFERENCE FRAMES were all recording the same speed at different locations, that object would HAVE TO be dragged along by the slower side, its like how the front left wheel of a car spins slower than the right wheel when you turn left, except way bigger and I think the turn would always feel like moving in a straight line. Because of this, I believe it is pretty accurate to say that time and space are the same thing, or at least that space directly influences time. It's this crazy thing scientists call 'spacetime' or as a previous poster said- the 'space-time continuum'. Seriously, it blew my goddamn mind when this finally started making sense to me. Finally, I would like to say something to everyone who would seriously look down on 'nerds' for taking the time to learn something that interests them. This makes absolutely no sense to me, and never did. Am I the only person who thinks that it's insane and completely wrong for someone to just discourage someone to learn about science? Even if you are some really crazy religious fundamentalist, it makes sense to me to really look this stuff up. I think it's good to be very open-minded to other views which go against your own to grow as a person and realize that nobody is right all the time. I find that learning about theoretical physics really has a way of showing someone just how much they are a part of something way bigger than they are. Something a bit more relevant: How is learning to be more open-minded going to be anything but good for someone who aspires to play/write music? The more knowledge you have, the more material you have to work with, no matter how you s
    Grif22
    I could see this idea being really cool for having international concerts. Many people massed around big screens in Darling Harbor, Sydney, to watch the FIFA World Cup. For massive festivals and concerts, smaller countries and cities all over the world could get something that's probably better than just showing the band on TV
    DarkMatterBand
    Baconfish wrote: So hands up everyone that never thought they'd see a minor physics debate on UG?
    haha must say im quite excited to read the physics related comments theoretical physics gives me a boner
    Cantplay4penuts
    SatanPriest wrote: 4D is just a term coined by the entertainment biz, it's not actually in 4D and I'm sure they know that, same way that a 3D movie isn't really 3 dimensional.
    THANKYOU
    nightruler666
    RC52190 wrote: Shaungr wrote: I don't like the "new age" metal fans. With their college degree's and whatnot... Yea those little pricks need to shut their smart ass mouths... Btw no apostrophe is necessary over the word "degrees," just saying... But I digress... Smartasses!
    looks like you rather work for the man instead of being the man
    Tsunami3000
    WarriorArtist94 wrote: theunforgivn wrote: lol dumb writer, the 4th dimension is time/space Lol dumb comment poster, space consists of the other 3 dimensions and time was created by humans as a way of describing the passage of each moment of reality, so neither is the 4th dimension.
    actually, the fourth dimension is already considered time and space. but you are right, it is created as you said, but it was created as in time and space. this is more like, true 3D
    0rion2309
    My math teacher told me once that if 2D-people put things in a 2D-locker or safe, we as 3D-people can see from aside whats in the locker and take it out without the 2D-guy knowing it. So this means... we have to take important things out of our lockers and safes before the 4D-Alice Cooper takes it... I feel him watching already! We're nowhere safe for the 4D-Alice Cooper! We can't hide for 4D-people! AAAAAh! (starts running in circles)
    dynastywest69
    BassFishin wrote: Haha, I'll get in on this. This is officially the first "3D" concert. All of the others (like movies) are just 2D images that give the perception of being "3D". If Alice Cooper could somehow create a 4D image, Carl Sagan would rise from the grave and sh*t himself, I swear.
    LMFAO funny stuff!!! I'm crying... hahaha
    bhamcan
    lol I'm almost surprised no one has mentioned the 6 or 7 hidden dimensions sitting in the Calabi-Yau spaces involved in string theory. Thank god they only announced this thing was in 4d.
    Sean Duffy
    Describing a projection as 4D is nothing short of idiotic. Our universe exists in three dimensions, height, width and depth. We don't know if a fourth exists, but even if it did, it could never exist in a three dimensional world, in the same way that a 3D object couldn't exist in a 2D world, if there was one.
    JimDawson
    rain-man wrote: I will never go to anything that claims to be 4D. Call me an intellectual snob, it just bothers me that people think being ignorant is okay if they think it makes them sound cool.
    I get that, but at the same time you have to see that this is just marketing to the everyday person; I am sure the people behind this know that it is actually 3D, calling this 4D is just a much easier distinction between modern day 3D movies and the people who happen to know about 4D space can already see that. You can't hate a product simply because of how it's advertised (even though I have been guilty of this numerous times). If something appeals to you check it out and then make your decision based on what YOU care about and YOUR expectations instead of a bunch of BS advertising and other people 'jumping on the bandwagon'. I think advertising can be quite helpful and informative as long as the viewer can pick out the bits of how something is relevant to them. It's not so much people being ignorant to sound cool, so much as people dumbing things down to a level that even the general public can swallow and catch on to.
    ippystratman
    im not sure this is good...if tons of other bands start doing it, there goes live music...
    mark3777
    Idiots!!! this has nothing to do with the 4th dimension! ...But it is kind of stupid calling it 4D
    DarrenReeder
    Shaungr wrote: I don't like the "new age" metal fans. With their college degree's and whatnot...
    Amen.
    Myaccount876
    [quote]JimDawson wrote: Seriously, someone posted a link many comments back to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-D_film and according to what it says "4-D film (sometimes written as 4D film) is a marketing term that describes an entertainment presentation system combining a 3-D film with physical effects in the theatre, which occur in synchronization with the film." According to this definition, which seems like the best one I have seen on the subject so far, they obviously aren't referring to time as the fourth dimension in this case. While in the correct scientific terminology the fourth dimension is time, (and I have actually nerded out to books relating to this kind of theoretical physics stuff) in this context the 'fourth' dimension sounds like another layer of the presentation which seems to take place in an environment rather than on a screen... and that just sounds more like the utilization of 3D space (holograms moving around in it) instead of simulated 3D images displayed on a 2D screen. Looks like this 4D is just a marketing term, which seems well played in my opinion with all of this big 3D stuff still fresh in our minds. Maybe I am getting a bit too ahead of myself with this, but come to think of it a holographic theater would be pretty badass if they did it right; definitely a step up from the current idea of '3D presentation'. On a side note, something I thought about awhile back is that while time is regarded as a fourth dimension I think that there is a good possibility that it is just a result of the standard 3D reality we all know about. While I will admit that this is just some bit of backyard science and that I'm by no means a professional in this field, I believe it is reasonable to say that we(scientists) know there is a relationship between the size(?) and mass of an object and how strong its gravitational pull is; I am sure someone figured out some formula to describe this. Scientists have also noted that there is a strong connection between gravity, speed and time; a good example of this would be black holes. According to a theory which- as far as I know- has been proven through observation and math, really dense objects actually seem to 'compress' time around them, making some area around them actually move slower through time to an outside observer. At the same time, I imagine that to the reference point of something falling into a black hole, it would be ripped apart at ridiculous speeds while the event would take a really long time to someone watching from very far away. The point is, while I am not really sure how speed fits into the equation (unless gravity has some sort of 'lag' on moving objects) since people know that you can predict the gravitational pull of something by simply how big it is, and there is a well known correlation between gravity and time, one could reason that gravity could be caused by mass (3D stuff) which as a result brings about a sort of 'distortion' in time... or maybe mass is related to time, which, because things closer to something big (Earth for example) would move slower through time rather than something a bit further away (research 'tidal force of gravity' if you care about learning more about this) from it and I believe that a result of this variance in time could actually be what we know as gravity. Think about it, if one side of something was moving slower through time than the other side, but people all over that something WITHIN THEIR OWN REFERENCE FRAMES were all recording the same speed at different locations, that object would HAVE TO be dragged along by the slower side, its like how the front left wheel of a car spins slower than the right wheel when you turn left, except way bigger and I think the turn would always feel like moving in a straight line. Because of this, I believe it is pretty accurate to say that time and space are the same thing, or at least that space directly influences time. It's this crazy thing scientists call 'spacetime' or as a previous poster said- the 'space-time continuum'. Seriously, it blew my goddamn mind when this finally started making sense to me. Finally, I would like to say something to everyone who would seriously look down on 'nerds' for taking the time to learn something that interests them. This makes absolutely no sense to me, and never did. Am I the only person who thinks that it's insane and completely wrong for someone to just discourage someone to learn about science? Even if you are some really crazy religious fundamentalist, it makes sense to me to really look this stuff up. I think it's good to be very open-minded to other views which go against your own to grow as a person and realize that nobody is right all the time. I find that learning about theoretical physics really has a way of showing someone just how much they are a part of something way bigger than they are. Something a bit more relevant: How is learning to be more open-minded going to be anything but good for someone who aspires to play/write music? The more knowledge you have, the more material you have to wor
    BassFishin
    John37fold wrote: i thought 4D meant the youngest fan in attendence would be 40
    Ha.
    Chad11491
    dikkgozinya wrote: Always makes me wonder who really is sitting on the other end. Some super geek who likes wikipedia just a little too much. Most people who go to college have to take physics which at least basically covers quantum mechanics, being smart doesn't make you a geek. Just like being ignorant doesn't make you cool. I'll watch it on youtube only cause I'm a huge cooper fan. Hopefully he actually tours to promote the new cd comin out
    Brownerz
    aledeoliveira wrote: BassFishin wrote: Haha, I'll get in on this. This is officially the first "3D" concert. All of the others (like movies) are just 2D images that give the perception of being "3D". If Alice Cooper could somehow create a 4D image, Carl Sagan would rise from the grave and sh*t himself, I swear. so what you're saying is that real life live concerts are in 2D? really?
    No. He was talking about movies that have certain effects to make it seem like 3D
    kmaster 1337
    Let's just say the Alice Cooper Band is the only one worth my time (maybe welcome to my nightmare is the exception), forget this cheap hologram shit and take the rightful Alice Cooper back on the roaddd!
    aledeoliveira
    BassFishin wrote: Haha, I'll get in on this. This is officially the first "3D" concert. All of the others (like movies) are just 2D images that give the perception of being "3D". If Alice Cooper could somehow create a 4D image, Carl Sagan would rise from the grave and sh*t himself, I swear.
    so what you're saying is that real life live concerts are in 2D? really?
    DoteStudios
    f1o-jo wrote: U.K.'s first holographic 4D rock gig 4d? fu.cking idiots
    It is 4D because it shows the duration of time from one point to another...
    pwninator123
    DoteStudios wrote: f1o-jo wrote: U.K.'s first holographic 4D rock gig 4d? fu.cking idiots It is 4D because it shows the duration of time from one point to another...
    No, because you would see all the parts of the concert at once, not in chronological order.