Babyshambles Say Indie Is Dead

Babyshambles have delayed their next album because the current indie scene is so bad.

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Babyshambles have delayed their next album because the current indie scene is so bad. The group - fronted by Pete Doherty - had planned to release their third LP later this year but have now postponed it to concentrate on solo projects as guitar-based music experiences a slump in popularity in the UK, while electro pop has risen to prominence. Drummer Adam Ficek explained: "Babyshambles won't release a record until late next year when the scene is more fruitful. "At the moment, most guitar bands are struggling. People have got bored because there's a generic sound. "There was a lot of money going into indie music so more mediocre bands have managed to sustain a career out of it." Despite their unhappiness with the current music scene, the "Killamangiro" rockers are confident British music will eventually get back to its best. Adam added to Britain's Daily Star newspaper: "A band similar to The Stone Roses or Oasis will emerge in the next three or four years. "Someone young with something to say, as no bands have anything to say right now. We haven't had a good working-class band for ages. "The kids don't want to be like Arctic Monkeys because they're not characters like Liam Gallagher or Damon Albarn." Thanks for the report to Contactmusic.com.

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    shut_up_n00b
    I don't think any of you know who Peter Doherty is. Chances are that this is tongue in cheek and you people don't even realize it. He is releasing new music through other projects like his solo project. He probably doesn't want the Babyshambles tagged with all the jangly guitar bands. A trend that The Libertines popularized by the way. To the people saying that metalheads can beat up indie kids, grow up please.
    pinkhaze29
    shut_up_n00b wrote: I don't think any of you know who Peter Doherty is. Chances are that this is tongue in cheek and you people don't even realize it. He is releasing new music through other projects like his solo project. He probably doesn't want the Babyshambles tagged with all the jangly guitar bands. A trend that The Libertines popularized by the way. To the people saying that metalheads can beat up indie kids, grow up please.
    Thank you!
    VoodooChild15
    Lame article, but Shotter's Nation was a great album and the Libertines are a favorite of mine, so I'm sad to see all this Pete hate.
    zippidyduda
    How the hell has nobody here not heard of Pete Doherty? He was a singer in The Libertines, for christs sake... Anyway, the indie scene isn't dying, and it won't. There are plenty of great bands in the scene right now, and plenty more rising up. American/Canadian indie is better than British indie at the moment, anyway.
    good_blink_plan
    ChompChompChomp wrote: Is he putting down Arctic Monkeys? I can't tell from his poor word choice. And "Avengethedeath", metal consists of nothing but overcompensation and long haired latent homosexuals "singing" about violence and depression with painfully boring rhythms and cliche' lyrics (save Dethklok). And for the record, any Indie band could kick Lars Ulrich's ass. Both physically and musically.
    hmmm have you listened to Bullet For My Valentine? Because, grantedI haven't listened to every song, I haven't heard more than maybe 2 that are about death. So stop the generalisation.
    savory_softy
    Two things: 1. Indie = independent and therefore is not a genre. The correct term is commercially viable noise 2. Yes, it's dead. Now, I'm gonna keep telling myself that or any respect I had left for the human race is going to die, fast.
    mstuckey89
    Indie to me is Arsis, Sleep Terror, Belphegor, After the Burial, Destruction, etc... those are REAL guitar bands lol omg brb
    poona
    lol If these Babyshambles were truely an "indie" band then they would find a way to get their music out there regardless of the musical trends.
    TheRedCrunch
    The majority of the people seem to think that indie is a fad, but I feel the need to keep repeating this over and over: Indie is not alternative. But alternative can be indie music. Anything can be indie music, as long as they are independent and not signed to a major label. People seem that think that indie only involves bands like The Strokes or The Libertines or the Arctic Monkeys, yet none of you seem to take in consideration that bands like Helmet or bands like Yo La Tengo, Arcade Fire, etc. are also indie bands. The majority of you seem to think that indie only involves the majority of the UK Jangle Pop and the UK-influenced Jangle Pop. Honestly, the sheer ignorance that goes on in this comment board.
    David_Bowie=GOD
    This is by far the stupidest thing I've heard all day, it just shows they are only in it for the money. If they released this album, they probably wouldn't lose that many sales, know why? Because FANS buy the albums, the people who listen to whats trendy mostly just buy singles.
    zippidyduda
    thewho65 wrote: It's a shame that the term "indie" is synonymous solely with jangle-pop guitar bands. Plus, if the scene looks stagnant, and you're completely aware of this and acknowledge it, doesn't thas give you an advantage in doing something fresh?
    Eh, Pete and the Libertines did great things for the scene and Indie in general, but his time is up, unfortunately. He won't be bringing anything new to the table.
    str84ever
    Well at least someone has noticed and has said something about it. I can't be the only person who has noticed loads of poor-copy jangly guitar bands spouting up everywhere especially in the local scene. On saying that i have been saying the current indie scene was shite from the start. It can only get better i hope though what will be the next big thing? In before black metal or something like that lol.
    thewho65
    It's a shame that the term "indie" is synonymous solely with jangle-pop guitar bands. Plus, if the scene looks stagnant, and you're completely aware of this and acknowledge it, doesn't thas give you an advantage in doing something fresh?
    Andian03
    jtalep wrote: And yeh, in the U.S Indie really means an independent band, not on a major label. In the U.K, an Indie band is any boy band who shop in Topman, over style their hair, and sing about relationships.
    Wow...that almost makes U.K. indie bands sound like your typical emo band nowadays... I don't know, anyway you look at it...Indie hasn't had a good band come out...but is it really supposed to have a good band come out. In the long run, alot of these bands eventually sign on to major labels now. I like dinosaur jr and alot of the bands here in the US, but now I am just sitting back and waiting for the next decent Indie band to sign onto a major label. I listen to alot of great stuff coming out of my local scene...but it is still one of those things where you know some of these bands that a great are eventually going to sign on to a major label. You can have love for the music and what you make...but for alot of them, being independent isn't good enough anymore...one guy told me he hopes his band makes it to the big time someday just because it is a better outlet for them to share what they have to offer...personally, I like playing guitar and don't really care if a few years down the road I end up playing the bar on the weekends still or I end up playing in a studio under some contract...as long as I get to play... This guy in the article is in it for what he wants, money...he may like his music, but it sounds like the money is just as much an influence...
    ultimatum5
    Why would they be holding off puting out an album? As I see it, he's pretty much saying, "Well, we ARE a generic UK rock band, let's wait for other bands to release some music so we won't look like dumbasses and we can release generic stuff along with them and look cooler." And saying that "indie guitar music" isn't popular ANYWHERE (even just the UK) is stupid! Look below the mainstream, that's not all that's important. And if you were in a band to make music then it wouldn't matter what's popular, you do what you do and do it. (I might be repeating what someone is saying, I really don't wanna go through all the comments to see.)
    Alexishxc1337
    I like how anyone can carry around some kinda complex and just declare a genre or scene dead.
    libertines4ever
    shut_up_n00b wrote: I don't think any of you know who Peter Doherty is. Chances are that this is tongue in cheek and you people don't even realize it. He is releasing new music through other projects like his solo project. He probably doesn't want the Babyshambles tagged with all the jangly guitar bands. A trend that The Libertines popularized by the way.
    Exactly, the libertines started the massive wave of mediocre indie bands and were hyped as much as the strokes and that was before peter doherty's drug use went out of control (result babyshambles) for instance the strokes and the libertines are known as influences of the arctic monkeys. He probably just doesn't want the Babyshambles tagged with all the jangly guitar bands. Babyshambles are NOT amazingly brilliant but I guess this is understandable and even more I think that their drummer just chose wrong words.
    Spaz91
    A drummer from an indie band like Babyshambles has no right to talk about others' mediocrity.
    SweepSDMF
    Abacus11 wrote: indie all sounds the same lol Indie means "Independent". Independent in terms of music means making music that is not dependent on current trends or scenes. Indie music can be ANY style (rock, folk, metal, hip hop, anything) as long as its done by the artist or band itself and promoted without the help of a major label. Indie music does not have a specific sound so to lump all of it into one category is ridiculous and ignorant.
    indeed, most people think indie music is stuff like artic monkeys, and all sounds like that, forgeting metal music can be indie, its not how it sounds, its just how i produced, well done sir, also, i dont see whats wrong with releasin it wen they can get paid better, we all have to make a living i guess. its that or mcdonalds for doherty lol.
    RedFez64
    oh christ, dohertys a genius and probably joking but please god not another oasis or stone roses, i've had enough of people being crap songwriters crap musicians and crap people but claiming to be great because they're working class, we need less classism in music and not more.
    fitterhappier34
    Masterbeefy wrote: ChompChompChomp wrote: Is he putting down Arctic Monkeys? I can't tell from his poor word choice. And "Avengethedeath", metal consists of nothing but overcompensation and long haired latent homosexuals "singing" about violence and depression with painfully boring rhythms and cliche' lyrics (save Dethklok). And for the record, any Indie band could kick Lars Ulrich's ass. Both physically and musically. You sir know nothing. Take any Indie guitarist and get them to play the way Synyster Gates does. They will fail. Indie is indeed made up of pussies, and I know because there is about 50 of the crappy bands in my neighborhood. Who cares who can beat up who (though the manliness factor definitely falls into the hands of metal)
    Two words: Lee Ranaldo.
    herman ri2
    I heard Canada has a great indie scene. Anyways, is Pete Doherty hitting the nails again or his he clean now?
    Bert_Hastings
    Alternate way of saying "Babyshambles say indie is dead" is "Babyshambles furious that more people like the Arctic Monkeys than them"
    Bass of Grunge
    REM was the original jangly band. I hate how it's cool to be Indie nowadays. Bloody hipsters, what ever happened to the music being important?
    Nirvanarien
    Indie has always sucked , if they are so indie how come they rule(d) the charts in England?
    SmoABSOLUTE
    Btw... just cos Peter delayed Babyshambles doesn't mean he's lying low. He just doesn't think now is the best time to make the album with Babyshambles because it probably won't sell very much. However, in the mean time he's got back together with The Libertines and released a solo album. And I am personally of the opinion that the UK is ready for another Stone Roses. Not another Oasis; we don't need another Britpop. But Stone Roses were an indie dance band with truly excellent songs. And on the definition of indie... US = alternative UK = indie Pete, Libertines, Babyshambles, indie forever
    Nirvanarien
    ChompChompChomp wrote: Is he putting down Arctic Monkeys? I can't tell from his poor word choice. And "Avengethedeath", metal consists of nothing but overcompensation and long haired latent homosexuals "singing" about violence and depression with painfully boring rhythms and cliche' lyrics (save Dethklok). And for the record, any Indie band could kick Lars Ulrich's ass. Both physically and musically.
    Actually, there are few homosexuals within the Metal scene... The most famous being Rob Halford (and he's bald) so bb stereotype! have you ever even listend to Metal? I didn't think so, if you did you wouldn't be so stupid and ignorant. And maybe they could kick Lars's ass, but hes pretty small. Id like to see any Indie guitarist battle (physically and guitarwise) Zakk Wylde. Infact, why don't you try it? Because you seem like an expert on this and a fine guitar player if you have to knowledge to say indie>Metal. After all, its you're funeral....
    CptRevell
    Zell182 wrote: I would say 'thank god indie is over' but the 80s-revival stuff is even worse.
    This. My God this.
    Zimwibwe
    As a few people already stated indie is not a genre of music,it just means your not on a major record label. you could be a folk singer or a death metal band if your on a small independent label (Sub Pop for example)or put your music out yourself than your indie regardless of what your actual genre of music is. Sing The Sorrow is AFI's major label debut,all afi records before Sorrow were indie, from sorrow on they were not. They haven't changed their genre of music (except for natural growth that all band go through)They're just on a major label now which means more backing(money) and better production values.
    TheEsupremacy
    Besides, Indie isn't dead, it's just nodding out on the couch, somebody kick it before it passes out and/or OD's.
    tri_gun_owner
    oh lordy lordy. what's we gonna do without skin tight clothe wearin emo guys who make simple music
    TheEsupremacy
    This is the single most funniest story I've ever read on Ultimate Guitar. This guy (PD) is such a moron. He wouldn't know good music if it socked him in the mouth, brushed his teeth, or shot him up. I wouldn't even know who this twit IS if it wasn't for his multiple drug busts. He's like a MUCH less talented Scott Weiland.
    str84ever
    Abacus11 wrote: indie all sounds the same lol Indie means "Independent". Independent in terms of music means making music that is not dependent on current trends or scenes. Indie music can be ANY style (rock, folk, metal, hip hop, anything) as long as its done by the artist or band itself and promoted without the help of a major label. Indie music does not have a specific sound so to lump all of it into one category is ridiculous and ignorant.
    Well I'm afraid Captain that is how it is lumped together so I'm afraid you'll have to live with it. Also many "indie" bands are on major labels too. I'm not disagreeing with you here. I am agreeing it is a total farse but thats just the way it is, indie in this respect means the mainstream and underground.
    nugiboy
    nugiboy wrote: nugiboy wrote: nugiboy wrote: Cougt *wankers!* Caugh* Cough*
    I'm gonna leave now.. :/
    stueey
    ffaf_kick_ass wrote: this is greeat news all indie bands suck dick
    +1
    Helpy Helperton
    jonnyharris1 wrote: so much for doing your job because you are passionate about your music. This just shows how greedy they really are. True bands release their music regadless of what is 'popular with the 'scene''
    Fucking true
    Typhoon700
    Zell182 wrote: I would say 'thank god indie is over' but the 80s-revival stuff is even worse.
    Agreed. 1000%
    Tr!g
    Nothing gets nothing - & if you want something to work, you do something about it!