Black Sabbath Continue Without Bill Ward

In a sorry turn of events, the remaining members of Black Sabbath will not renegotiate with drummer Bill Ward and will continue recording without him.

Black Sabbath Continue Without Bill Ward
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Black Sabbath have decided to continue without drummer Bill Ward after he threatened to leave unless he was offered a better deal. "We were saddened to hear yesterday via Facebook that Bill declined publicly to participate in our current Black Sabbath plans," the band said on their Facebook page last Friday. "We have no choice but to continue recording without him although our door is always open." The statement adds that the remaining members are "on a roll" while writing and recording their new album in the UK. The reaction from fans appears to be weighted with disappointment that the band won't be touring or recording in its full original lineup. The following day, Bill responded with a post thanking fans for their support following his difficult negotiations, while still hinting that he hopes for a happy ending to the episode: "I just wanted to humbly thank you all," it read. "Your support from across the world has given me further strength and hope for a positive resolve. I have been moved and overwhelmed by the thousands of messages. I love you all." Following the fallout, Thrash Hits posted a cynical analysis which highlights the financial nature of the dispute and the legal history between Sabbath members. "It's Iommi who decided to fire Ozzy back in 1979, and indeed Iommi who shirked on telling Ozzy and instead got Bill Ward to break the news to him," it claimed. "It's Iommi that made sure he had sole ownership of the trademarks attached to the Black Sabbath name, and his monopolisation of the profit-making off the back of the band's legacy that resulting in Ozzy suing him over it in 2009." Thrash Hits continues to suggest that the reunion is all about the vast amounts of money that it will make, then states: "From a business perspective, Bill Ward is the least-important of the original members to have on board for the Black Sabbath 2012 reunion to go ahead and make a f--k-ton of cash." While few observers will doubt the financial incentives behind such a reunion, it's becoming a tragedy to see the band fall out in public like this. Sabbath have left the ball firmly in Ward's court, saying "the door is always open", but without a renegotiation it seems Ward will stand firm by his ideals and sit out on what could become the final era of Black Sabbath.

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    N-D
    Black Sabbath have decided to continue without drummer and drums.
    Brandon1993
    shit... i was hoping for a full on original line-up Black Sabbath reunion tour and album i hope they get Bill back because even though people say hes dispensable and all that crap hes still an original member of Sabbath and they need him
    cfhdomination
    This sucks. It just isn't the same without Bill behind the kit. I blame $haron for this, but I'm also disappointed in Geezer and Tony for allowing this huge amount of shit to happen. I knew I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up when the announcement for the reunion was made.
    Jesus_Dean
    Mad props to Bill Ward for standing up for what he believes in. You don't see much of that anymore.
    MountApple
    sgwizard92 wrote: Bill Ward is dispensable. He contributes nothing to the chemistry except this bullshit. The fact that people are so broken up over him explains why he feels totally comfortable being an ***** to everyone.
    Have you heard his drumming?
    Pagan_Poetry
    PhilippeM wrote: Looks like to pay the BILLs they had to WARD him off.
    I misread the user as Pagan_Poetry, and am glad I was wrong.
    sgwizard92 wrote: Bill Ward is dispensable. He contributes nothing to the chemistry except this bullshit. The fact that people are so broken up over him explains why he feels totally comfortable being an ***** to everyone.
    Um... Yeah you don't know what you're talking about. Dispensable? Ward's drumming was crucial to the original Black Sabbath sound. There's are reasons why Black Sabbath were one of the first heavy bands, and Ward's drumming was one of the biggest reasons.
    SumFX
    I think there are a few people on here that don't know the importance of a drummer in a band.
    p_a_morgan
    This is awful. As for that idiot who trashed Bill in the earlier comments...All I have to say to you is..."LOL" So...Vinny Appice, then?
    KirkMetallica
    For me, Sabbath has always been about Iommi, Ozzy and Butler. It sucks that the original thing mightn't happen, but at the same time, as long as those 3 stick around, I'll be happy.
    on3andth3sam3
    PhilippeM wrote: Looks like to pay the BILLs they had to WARD him off.
    You sir, win the "Worst Pun of the Day" award. It's been 10 minutes and I"m still laughing. Good work.
    limpidgreen345
    Iommianity wrote: You should look up 'indispensable.'
    Maybe if he did that, he could incorrectly use the word...
    rhs5110
    I'm not paying for an overpriced ticket if mr ward will not be in attendance
    limpidgreen345
    Jesus_Dean wrote: Mad props to Bill Ward for standing up for what he believes in. You don't see much of that anymore.
    It's a matter of perspective... one guy say he's sticking to principle and isn't going to sell out, and everyone else could say he's putting his own gripes ahead of the band and the fans... with this sort of stuff the truth is usually somewhere in between.
    buchla200
    I like most line ups of Sabbath (and I love Mob Rules for example) but Vinnie can't play the classic Sabbath tracks anywhere as good as Bill. Vinnie is straight and heavy. Ward always thought orchestrally, almost like a percussionist would. Shame there won't be the classic line up it seems.
    buchla200
    Fail
    sgwizard92 wrote: Bill Ward is dispensable. He contributes nothing to the chemistry except this bullshit. The fact that people are so broken up over him explains why he feels totally comfortable being an ***** to everyone.
    xHellbound
    buchla200 wrote: I like most line ups of Sabbath (and I love Mob Rules for example) but Vinnie can't play the classic Sabbath tracks anywhere as good as Bill. Vinnie is straight and heavy. Ward always thought orchestrally, almost like a percussionist would. Shame there won't be the classic line up it seems.
    Mind you, I love Vinny, but Appice is a drummer, and Bill Ward is a percussionist. That's why Ward needs to be on this album. I don't think Appice would be able to keep up with the "jazz influences" of their original style. He's like what everyone else said, straight up heavy, and plays what he's told to.
    carlmagnus9
    This is ridiculous(no idea how to spell that) What happened to playing music because you enjoyed it and wanted to share it with the world, now its all about the money...
    Iommianity
    ironBLSmaiden wrote: i'm going to get so much shit for this but.. i PERSONALLY like vinnie appice better anyway. it'd be cool if they got him, although it'd be weird to see him playing with ozzy rather than dio
    Can I ask why? I'm not trying to start anything, it just seems like Vinnie's playing is very vanilla compared to Bill's. His work on Dio/Sabbath records is basically the definition of adequate drumming. When they played Ozzy material, he didn't really approach Bill's playing in a particularly impressive way, nor did he really put his own stamp on those songs. I think that's why they initially asked Bill to play on the Heaven and Hell tour, even though he only played on the title album and did a bit of that first tour. He wanted to play his own parts, and the band wanted to tell him what to play. That says it all about Vinnie.
    beyondthegrave
    kind of defeats the purpose of a reunion... atleast if they tour it will save me a few hundred dollars cause i wont go now.
    jurnag12
    Gonna be honest, while this does really suck, I'm still going if the tour's still on. I love Bill's stuff, but I'm not missing live Geezer/Iommi awesomeness over this.
    flaphead325
    Well I was thinking buying tickets for a reunion show, now that bill is not in black sabbath anymore, forget it.
    dcstar77715
    Just give him what he wants! Its not like they wont make thier money back. letting him go is really how theyll lose out.
    mookieb
    No surprise; Sharon's always treated the rhythm section as second class citizens - just remember the shit she put Daisley and Kerslake through in Blizzard of Ozz. Either Geezer totally greased up and took it or he's a nervous man right now
    motorizer
    If Im going to spend the money to see them, I want the original god damn line-up ..... Fuck ...
    Hungry_Hameds
    If it wasnt for Ward, the Black Sabbath sound would be different, their place in rock history would be different, this reunion might not even be happening. All the dude seems to want is to feel as valued as the other 3 members, which he should be fully entitled to. He's not more important than Iommi, Butler and Ozzy, but he's sure as hell not less important either. Sort it out you lot and get him back in the band!!
    kumamilesbear
    sgwizard92 wrote: Bill Ward is dispensable. He contributes nothing to the chemistry except this bullshit. The fact that people are so broken up over him explains why he feels totally comfortable being an ***** to everyone.
    Are you ****ing kidding? The drummer in any band is going to contribute hugely to the sound of the band, especially it's just a single guitarist, a bassist and a drummer making up the musical section.
    g.k
    Next thing we know Geezer is out too... IMO they should drop this tour and album stuff and preserve their reputation in our eyes....
    KingBobert
    Appice is a great drummer, his sound is just so immense it knocks you right on your ass. If Bill can't make it work, I'd want Vinnie there, no question. But I reeallly want Bill to make it work. Who doesn't air drum like crazy while blasting Rat Salad?
    Iommianity
    ne14t wrote: Drummers are fairly indispensable I mean unless you have some crazy heavy handed lead footed John Bonham or stratospheric percussionist like Neil Peart its pretty simple to find a replacement and as mentioned by someone else most people are going to be there to see Ozzy, Tony and possibly Geezer I give the dude props for standing up but I mean these guys obviously wanna make an album and tour sooner then later and didnt want to piss around
    You should look up 'indispensable.' I think it's funny that alleged Sabbath fans are justifying Bill getting the shaft. Criticize his business choices, but don't expect to be taken seriously when you sell short an amazing drummer because you want to say you saw Sabbath in your life time. It doesn't take more than a few seconds with their material to see how vital Bill is. But then one almost gets the sense some people only care about them going up there and phoning it in with the hits.