Black Sabbath Ignore Bill Ward

The remaining members have avoided commenting on Bill Ward's comments this week, but said "there are two sides to every story".

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Black Sabbath have decided to ignore Bill Ward's lengthy open letter explaining why he has been shut out of their reunion this year - but did say "there are two sides to every story".

Ward publicly rejected a deal offered by the band to perform with Black Sabbath as festival headliners this year because he felt it did not recognise his long-term contribution to the band.

Negotiations continued in private until this week, when Ward published the latest details on how their talks eventually broke down.

"Throughout this process, which began over a year ago, I have had to stand up for myself time and time again," he wrote. "I have had to stand up for myself and in doing so realize my actions indirectly, although unintentionally, are upsetting and hurting a lot of you.

"I have to stand for something, and as painful as it is, I'm doing it... Nobody wins. Even the ones who thought they did."

In response, the remaining members of Black Sabbath posted the following to their official Facebook page:

"We have decided not to make any detailed comment on Bill's latest statement. There are two sides to every story. We have been working hard at rehearsals making excellent progress after Tony's treatments and we have engaged a substitute drummer for the forthcoming shows. See you at Download."

Drummer Vinny Appice is expected to replace Bill at their scheduled festival performances. Meanwhile guitarist Tony Iommi continues his battle against cancer while the band record their new album with producer Rick Rubin.

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    HarvesterofPain
    That was a funny one, too. They posted this on facebook, a ton of people came out of the woodwork to say that no Bill means no Sabbath, and then whoever maintains the page thought it was a good idea to start deleting those comments. My favorite comment I read last night was "You guys may have grown old, but you haven't grown up." I'll stand by that statement, I think.
    Minivirus2
    Drummer Vinny Appice is expected to replace Bill at their scheduled festival performances.
    More Black Sabbath news: Vinny Appice Not Drumming For Sabbath
    Again, I love the irony of these completely conflicting statements, one after the other.
    Garagepoet
    suikogarden wrote on 05/18/2012 - 02:59 pm / quote | Wow, look at their new website design... It's like they've never had a drummer!
    that's pretty pathetic... you can even see Ward's shoulder where they cropped him out of the photo. a$$holes...
    Jesus_Dean
    If it were about ANYTHING else but money, you think they would have said so already. Failing health, lack of dedication, lack of talent (rolls eyes), anything....? What else is there to "negotiate" about?
    jacobdubya
    To everyone who has said that it's because of Bill Ward's health that Sabbath is doing this, shouldn't it be up to Bill Ward if he's in good enough health to play? Usually when a musician is not in good shape to keep playing music anymore, they will come out and say so. Bill seems pretty confident in his ability to keep playing and I seriously doubt he would be if he didn't think he could do it. So what's really going on?
    Minivirus2
    jacobdubya wrote: To everyone who has said that it's because of Bill Ward's health that Sabbath is doing this, shouldn't it be up to Bill Ward if he's in good enough health to play? Usually when a musician is not in good shape to keep playing music anymore, they will come out and say so. Bill seems pretty confident in his ability to keep playing and I seriously doubt he would be if he didn't think he could do it. So what's really going on?
    IIRC, Sabbath members undergo routine physicals. If the doctors deemed that Bill's health wasn't up to snuff, then what can the rest of the band/management really say. That said, I still think it's a money issue.
    Eifler121
    Rick Rubin producing this could either ruin or renew people's interest in the band. He has a way of doing that. He either makes something really worth listening to, or utter crap. Looking at the headline, wasn't that pretty much the problem from the beginning?
    flaphead325
    They also cropped all the photos on the black sabbath website... That's just stupid and childish.
    pursuit
    If it's a money issue, then that's ****ing retarded. I love Black Sabbath, and if you listen to my band you can clearly see they're a huge influence, but come on. When you hit your 60's, you shouldn't be squabbling about money. You should just be happy that you guys are still alive and well enough to play some kick-ass music together.
    Sheep Shagger
    bartman5 wrote: I remember when the reunited in 2011, that I thought it was too good to be true. It was. I am still hoping for a sabbath album or at least another iommi solo album.
    They still ARE recording the new album, just without Bill unfortunately.
    Garagepoet
    if it isn't worth the money for them to have Bill Ward involved w/ this reunion, i can't imagine it will be worth the money for me to buy the album or any forthcoming concert tix... shame.
    FERAL1975
    It really annoys me, drummers get treated like shit so often that it seems to be perceived as an acceptable thing to do. Bill needs to be given the respect due to him and everyone should split the money equally.
    emidog
    Black Sabbath and Van Halen members are both elderly children. Grow up you guys!!!
    kLeft
    peppersghost08 wrote: http://www.geezerbutler.com/2012/05/heav... heres the other side perhaps?
    Still BS. I'd probably lose my cool too if nobody in my band mentioned about flying over to see their ailing bandmate, along with the exclusion of the writing process. No matter how much miscommunication plays a role here, that was a dick move.
    bartman5
    I remember when the reunited in 2011, that I thought it was too good to be true. It was. I am still hoping for a sabbath album or at least another iommi solo album.
    Sheep Shagger
    "Drummer Vinny Appice is expected to replace Bill at their scheduled festival performances." ^ Tacky journalism right there. An author shouldn't try to pass off his/her opinions as fact in a NEWS article. Besides, Vinny isn't playing the gigs. He said so himself. The most likely replacement is Tommy Clufetos, considering he is playing the Ozzy & Friends gigs.
    Maiden95
    Yes there may be two sides to every story, but I honestly cant find Sabbath's side in this one. I'm standing by saying its a money issue, so if it is, give him his 25% and move on.
    kLeft
    From the article posted yesterday:
    Despite keeping his drum crew on standby since mid-January, Bill was told by the band's lawyers that he could "come to the UK, play for free and see how the first show goes."
    It might have something to do with money, but I think the rest of Sabbath believe Ward has lost his touch..
    Jubilee13
    4 guys in the band= 25% each,case closed.You guys are almost 70 and your all extremely wealthy. You should be ashamed.