Black Veil Brides: 'Metal Scene Has Eaten Itself Alive in Last 20 Years'

Frontman Andy Biersack names Avenged Sevenfold bashing as prime example of metal community's "dark side."

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Metal community can be quite ruthless to newcomers or uprising trends and according to Black Veil Brides frontman Andy Biersack, it has been cannibalizing itself for the past two decades. Discussing Robb Flynn's Avenged Sevenfold bashing, All that Remains' jabs at his own band and metal fans in general, Andy commented: "There is nothing more cannibalistic than metal or hard rock scene, it seems. And people wonder why aren't we selling millions of records or why we're not at the top of pop and everything. "It's because in my estimation, we have eaten ourselves alive for the last 20 years," Biersack further told Artisan News. "The genre itself, the feeling of if something gets successful, that's bashed. Or in case of Avenged Sevenfold - how ridiculous is it that one of our own got a No. 1 record and is doing all this wonderful stuff and everyone feels the need to say something negative to them." The singer continued, "It's a real testament to the dark side, in my estimation, of the metal community or the hard rock community. People don't want success for the things they don't necessarily love and also it's really commonplace for metal fans to not give new bands a chance. It's just - it is. "The 'Black Album' still sells more than - not saying that it's not an amazing album, but the 'Black Album' still sells more copies than any record that is put out every single week [by new bands]. And it's not to say that any new band's put out a record that's as good as the 'Black Album,' but I don't think people are really ready to give it a chance," Biersack concluded. Black Veil Brides will kick off their European tour later this month to promote the latest studio effort "Wretched and Divine: the Story of the Wild Ones."

Is the metal community as cannibalistic as Andy claims? Let us know in the comments.

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    Mr Winters
    Also, good job missing the entire point and choosing to just shit on BVB instead, everyone. I haven't even listened to his music but the guy does have a point here.
    He does have a point. Most metal fans are very conservative, bands they listen to are the best, all the rest is crap. If someone gets to #1 -> sellouts and posers. After that, they whine about how the genre is dying. As a rock concert manager and musician, I can say, that rock/metal has the cheapest crowd of all. Not only do most visit their specific favourite bands, they demand the tickets for free or for way less than the band itself is worth/costs. No wonder electronic music and others are taking over.
    Pictured in the comments: Tragic Irony.
    Exactly, this band may be one of the shitiest excuses for music, but they are on the mark with this, metal has become so derivative in the last decade, everytime there is a new "scene" bands just copy one another incessantly, originality is lacking.
    Everyone is complaining about what metal "should" be, and i'm just sitting here enjoying the Melvins....
    BVB are the worst thing to ever happen to metal, if you can even call them metal
    Although I too don't like his music, he really has got a point. In a way you're proving it. There's loads of these 'bad' bands, and people are really quick to judge and put down these bands. For some people, these bands are the ones (such as BVB) who are introducing a lot of young people (just like bands like MCR did a few years back, not metal but the point stands) to heavier music. And my personal opinion is that should be encouraged. This is why metal is eating itself - through elitism of stupid sub-genres.
    Legend Jedicsc
    Seriously why doesn't he have the gold? It doesn't matter if BVB are good or not, the dude has a point and we are ALL guilty of it as we stuck in our own little rut of what we think metal should be. Which is totally against what the genre stood for to begin with, not doing something everybody wants.
    We all are sheep in some form. In this context, people hear 'BVB are sht' so they listen to that, but not the music. Some are too afraid to be different and be open minded. Of course, BVB are sht if you compare them to metal bands, but to rock, they're decent because they don't make metal music. I wish some people would get that... Btw, when it comes to this sort of following, I too am a sheep: never going to listen to Justin Bieber in my life (not intentionally anyway...).
    Your point is very relevant, to the fact that BVB don't classify their-selves as a metal band, just Rock and Roll. The accusations of all these sub genres are ridiculous as all these bands get hate for something they aren't. I personally love BVB's music and in such topics as interviews, they point out they aren't metal but rock and roll.
    I agree. I hate these guys and their music, but honestly the guy has a very good point and I agree with a lot of what he said. We do need to accept new bands or at least give them a chance.
    I honestly started right with the heavy stuff because the only radio station I could get was death metal.
    Elitism and sub-genres has never harmed Metal before, ever. Metal fans have been hating genres since Disco. Look at the 80s, one of the most "elitist" era of Metal. There was an all-out war against MTV-spawned Pop Rock/"Glam Metal". You'd have hated it, of course, but the 80s were also one of the most creative eras out of Metal's history, seeing to the creation or perfection of almost every sub-genre of Metal. And that was with guys like Paul Baloff and such demanding the death of posers. And who honestly believes Metal is eating itself? It's going as strong as it ever has, and the only people who think Metal is taking a beating or dying are the ones who are into Top 10 Metal and nothing more, the ones who whine about elitism, and the ones that "elitists" (read: literally anyone into Metal that goes deeper than "I read Metal Hammer") don't want in Metal. They only think Metal is dying because they know so little about it. These aren't the people you see at small, local shows, supporting real modern Metal bands. These are the people you see going to Judas Priest, or Amon Amarth, and supporting already-big, already-known Metal bands that formed 15, 20, 30 years ago. Metal is fine, has always been fine, and will always be fine, and it doesn't need crappy Pop Rock that people think is Metal to keep it fine.
    I can't even understand why metal listeners get so pissed off by them (I couldn't give two shits about them), they aren't even metal! If they are metal, then the Dalai Lama is an anarchist.
    Well the Dalai Lama is less authoritarian than a lot of influential figures. But he also doesn't strike me as a BVB fan anyways.
    I was gonna say something, but the thought of the Dalai Lama as a BVB fan was just too funny
    People who don't like metal anyway don't care for silly subgenres. Thing is, those people are the 'millions' that don't buy metal records, which the guy is probably talking about. So it doesn't really matter whether they are 'true' metal or not.
    I don't understand this statement. Who the hell cares what happens to metal? It's not a society, it's a music genre, how can something bad happen to a music genre? From someone who is a former metal-head, the reason why the rest of the world sees you guys in a negative perception is completely because of elitist and immature opinions like that. In the real world, no one cares about what is tr00 meTalz. His point is valid, people like you are the reason why the rest of society won't tolerate an intolerable group of people. It's people like you that try to stop people from enjoying whatever the hell it is they want to listen to, by trying to impose your belief of what's 'real metal'. Where else in the world do you see that?
    You just say that because of their looks and their fanbase x) I don't really like them, but have you even listened to them? Their guitarists are really ****ing talented...
    They're a damn good f*ckin band. Who gives a sh*t about what they look like. They're still making good nd catchy metal/rock/whatever the **** you wanna call it music. They've been consistent with album releases. They can dress however the f*ck they want. You look at KISS or Motley Crue. They dressed up nd wore make up nd what not, but they didn't care what people thought. What you look like or act like doesn't particularly matter. Go f*uckin look up GG Allin. Hes f*ckin nuts. He didnt give a sh*t. And hes probably got an army of dedicated fans. Just like all these bands everyone hates.
    Do you play guitar because that shit is easy and there's many vids of him messing up even the easy shit live.
    F*ck yea i play guitar. Nd surely you know you always have tendencies to f*ck up, even the easy shit. Unless its consistent. Then you'd need to practice up, or stop drinking on stage.
    I like their music. I can see why you don't like them, but the worst thing to happen to metal? explain more on that.
    is a mixture between ratt and crue not metal???
    Metal covers so many areas now. I never actually know what genre to call a band. All this metal-core and progressive-nu-punk-metal-core nd sh*t. Its all metal/rock at the core of it. Everything else is just technicalities.
    Call me whatever, but I was into Ratt and Crue in the mid 80s, big time. I loved Queensryche, Metallica and Motorhead too. There was some good music then, and a lot of bashing of any band by anyone not in that band!
    I know this is going to be downvoted, but... I think this guy has a point (although he makes pretty awful music).
    Agreed. BVB are embarrassingly bad, but I'll never understand the metal community's pure hatred for Avenged Sevenfold. Yeah, it's entry level metal, but you need entry level bands for every genre and they're damn good at what they do.
    Agreed. BVB are embarrassingly bad, but I'll never understand the metal community's pure hatred for Avenged Sevenfold. Yeah, it's entry level metal, but you need entry level bands for every genre and they're damn good at what they do.
    Masta' Exploda'
    I have no hatred for A7X, and i really like their previous albums, but Hail to the King is really weaker than the rest of their discography. Yet, by being weaker for a metal album, it still gives a great album compared to commercial standards, which explains the sucess it had in the mainstream. Much of the hate they got for this album was because it sounds like a complete rip off of classic metal bands like Metallica and Megadeth...
    "There is nothing more cannibalistic than metal or hard rock scene, it seems. And people wonder why aren't we selling millions of records or why we're not at the top of pop and everything." Maybe, just maybe, because most metal is not as accessible as your average pop-to-go? Really, this guy...
    BVB is just another band that is cool to hate. They're young and their songwriting is a little underdeveloped. Give them time. As for being against the bands image...**** off. The image of metal bands is far too homogenized as it is (on average). I'll support ANY band image that has the potential to bring more females to the genre.
    I really like, A7X, the harmony solos, and especially, the strippers. What's not to like?!
    Judging by some of the comments he's not wrong. It seems if you like certain bands that are classed as metal you're not 'a true metal fan' Heck like someone said some of the bands like Avenged Sevenfold and Black Veil Brides are gateway bands to other bands and there's nothing wrong with that.
    BVB... not much of a fan there. However; I'm a big enough man to respect acts even if I don't like them. Unlike most of the prissy users on this website. He's talking about all of you. You sub-genre elitist. You pick and choose who to hate, and coincidentally it happens to be rock bands that sell records. Rock needs to finish dieing, then stay there until the rest of you morons die. Then it can come back. Sadly, I won't personally alive to see that day. Thank God that at least Dave Grohl and The Foo Fighters are immune to your bullshit.
    Im no BVB fan, but until the nonsensical black album rambling, the guy's kinda got a point...
    In last avenged sevenfold "we're metal. really you guys" article someone commented that bvb are ax7 for teen emo chicks. I bet that person will facepalm himself to coma after seeing this
    i dont like black veil brides, its nothing personal, but their music, just straight up isn't really imaginative. all that to say he's not wrong, bits of metal are destroying it, but they're only destroying those bits which actually care about what people say. the rest of them, who truly do love metal will carry on making it no matter what, so hes right but its not necessarily a bad thing, if you get what im saying. probably gonna get ripped for this, but still. and if BVB are one of those bands who are around after all the people rip on them, because they do love metal? so be it, they'll have prved themselves
    This whole thing about the metal community is very true. Metal fans bash the old bands for being sell outs, bash the new ones for wanting success. The metal community refuses to move past the early 1990s as a whole. All I've read is people ripping into other bands or people with the language that screams '13 year old' or 'I hate anything new because it isn't old'. This is the reason I stopped being a metal head because the culture around it just does not allow for development and experimentation beyond getting heavier. Get your heads out of your asses and deal with the fact metal moves on, a lot get it wrong, but some get it right and those are the ones that suffer because they cannot release an album due to new metal bands not getting cover or contracts due to elitist metal douchebags who refuse you if you aint a 70s-early 90s reunion or headliner. So who would bother releasing a fresh album the metal community will inevitably bash only to praise another Slayer rip off.
    avenged sevenfold is not what it used to be before the rev died.. that's a fact. their last album really disappointed me.
    Metal is metal deal with it. Whether it's Black Veil Brides, Bullet for my Valentine, Carcass, Gorgoroth, Metallica,Black Sabbath, Cannibal Corpse, Arch Enemy, Amon Amarth, Asking Alexandria, Slayer, Venom, Cancer Bats, Of Mice and Men, Bring Me the Horizon, Suicide Silence, Behemoth, Megadeth or even Five Finger Death Punch. They are still metal. I listen to every single one of these bands listed and I like them all because they are metal. Fuck you all and your high and mighty true metal sub genre bullshit.
    I can understand that people might mistake Metallic Hardcore (Shorthand: Metalcore) as Metal, considering all the big labels marketing it as such, despite it being a Punk sub-genre since the early 90s when bands like Converge started playing it.. But Black Veil Brides, a blatantly obvious Pop-leaning Hard Rock band, Metal? Seriously? Why do Metal fans constantly need to call everything Metal, even long-standing Punk sub-genres like Hardcore (TIL Cancer Bats and Dead Kennedys are Metal), Metalcore, and Deathcore? I can't wait for people to start calling Amebix and Nasum Metal bands.