Carcass Frontman Defends Babymetal Against Criticism From Metal Purists

"I'm starting to warm to the idea of what they're doing," says Jeff Walker.

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British extreme metal pioneers Carcass have defended Babymetal against the "gimmick" tag given to them by critics who liken them to the success of Swedish occult metallers Ghost.

Established in 2010, Babymetal is the offshoot of the Japanese pop idol group Sakura Gakuin that performs a distinctly Japanese mix of schoolgirl J-pop and heavy metal.

Asked by Nuclear Blast what his highlight of last month's Sonisphere festival in the UK was, Carcass bassist/vocalist Jeff Walker replied (via Blabbermouth): "My highlight was getting my picture taken with BABYMETAL."

Pressed on whether he was a fan of Babymetal, Walker said: "I'm starting to warm to the idea of what they're doing. It's actually fun, you know - like Ghost, to be honest. Some people get very reactionary about a band like Ghost or Babymetal. It puts a smile on people's faces. That's what music's about, isn't it?! Enjoying it and not being so serious."

Carcass guitarist Bill Steer added: "I mean, obviously, we don't cover this ourselves, but the fun, entertainment angle, it is important."

Carcass will return to the United States once again this October/November. Joining them on select dates are Florida death metal legends Obituary and the eclectic champions of "murder metal," Macabre.

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    SteveDoninger
    i completely agree with what he said. Then again, I don't think BabyMetal is the worst thing to ever happen to the world. So **** me, right?
    Eissari
    Babymetal is just joke thing in my eyes. Some people like it some don't. Nothing too serious. Maybe they can actually play music but its tongue in cheek.
    RichieJovie
    Is it fun? Does it make you smile? If yes, it's fine. Simple.
    crazysam23_Atax
    What about the fact that the record corp signed Babymetal solely to make the corp money? What about how, when they stop being cute, the girls are going to fade away (most likely)? So...no, it's not "simple".
    link no1
    Your point being? Don't all big companies do things for money? I suggest that you stop listening to 80% of the music you like that has a big label because chances are, the label only signed them because it will make them money. The only difference is that it's more obvious with Babymetal.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Ok...except, you know, the last part you said ("The only difference is that it's more obvious with Babymetal") is key. And the fact that the whole band concept is "cute girls singing J-Pop over metal riffs" means they'll be gone quite soon.
    Velcro Man
    It might be more obvious to people less aware of how the world works, but it's all about money, as long as they enjoy it, it's absolutely no better or worse than anything else. A lot of bands are "gone" quite soon.
    aelkeris
    I don't think that these girls give a sh*t about what metal purists are saying about them since they are not the girls targeted audience.
    Botti13
    Why would anyone have a problem with them? It's a cute and funny idea, metal doesn't have to be so ****ing serious all the time, haters are probably just trying to be edgy
    K33nbl4d3
    To be fair, when I see Till Lindemann with his dildo on, Joakim Broden getting German people to drink beer, or Ozzy Osbourne doing anything, I tend to think there aren't many metal musicians who take themselves anywhere near as seriously as some of the fans do... Except maybe the ultra-ridiculous black metal bands who used to go on about wanting to be "feared" while wearing what's basically KISS facepaint...
    CamNelson
    I think that Babymetal is refreshing! No matter your opinion on the group, it's better than listening to the same thing over and over and over and over. Babymetal is awesome! Love their music!
    crazyhorse174
    Can someone PLEASE show them how to do the horns properly for God sake?!
    mattythebassman
    Fully agree. These elitists are morons. They want the same carbon copy bands/albums over and over and nothing remotely different. When I was at Sonisphere EVERYBODY was loving it. Didn't see any of these haters (probably because they were still in their basements behind their keyboards) and everybody had a big smile on their face, it was brilliant. It's just something fun and different amongst all the cliche "evil" stuff. Don't get me wrong I like that stuff and I'm not even a big Babymetal fan but I swear if progressive/hard rock bands in the late60s/Early 70s all thought like these elitists today then we wouldn't even have metal. Nobody would strive to do anything new. Plus your an idiot if you don't think those 3 girls are talented and the backing band is amazing.
    Absurder22
    There's tons of interesting new shit going on in Metal, and if you think that Baby Metal is the only one of them that's laughable (especially since J-music + Metal has existed since at least the mid 80s with X-Japan, Loudness etc). Baby Metal are just J-Pop played with metal instrumentation, listen to the chorus of Gimme Chocolate! It has nothing to do with metal or even the rest of the song, and that's the main hook (seeing as the watered down LOG riffs are boring even to fans of such a band). It's not opening J-Pop fans up to metal; It's opening metal fans up to J-pop. And no, those girl have no particularly identifiable creative talent, what they are, are performers and cute, which is EXACTLY what Japanese pop feeds on/desires. In the west, Sex sells, In Japan, Cute sells. The minute these girls are hot and mildly mature, they will be dropped like flies, as that's how Japanese pop works. Nobody hates the actual girls, if anything they just feel sorry for them. What we hate is that corporate suits put this gimmick together to take advantage of some young kids and the easily entertained by japanese weirdness. If you don't have a problem with kids being taken advantage of for their physical appearance, Or music being made by a corporate focus group-assembly line and not organically by artists, then you're probably not a metalhead anyway, cos most of us have more integrity then that. If you support Babymetal, then there is literally nothing bad you can say about Western pop. The music is average, and the enitre project is mildly offensive to some people's morality. There's never been a band in metal with MORE reasons to hate then Baby Metal. Just not those girls(Seeing as they will be replaced in 4 years anyway).
    blackone666
    It's not about elite, Jesus, it's not even about music, it's more like; what this represent?is it desirable corporations USE girls to earn some $? are they there because they want or due to a souless contract like thousands of japanese Idols before? they will be surely forgotten in a year, then what? Will I support this knowing it is what it is? and so on... Not everything that puts a smile on your ****ing dork face is good...
    mattythebassman
    Your laughable, let's see your music be good enough to be considered to be signed to a record? Also my dork face? Why get into personal insults? Don't think I personally insulted you? Another internet troll would love to see you say that shit to my face.
    crazysam23_Atax
    What an excellent rebuttal, mattythebassman. Seriously, quit acting 5.
    Zan595
    ^This matty dude is acting 5? He wasn't resorting to personal insults, only giving his opinion. Blackone would have been fine, if not for that last sentence. Can't we just give an opinion without throwing an insult somewhere in it?
    howyjr
    We can dream Zan, we can dream. Unfortunately, the UG community doesn't always provide the most intelligent of discussions.
    crazysam23_Atax
    That's the thing. The record corp only signed Babymetal to make money. Once Babymetal stops making the corp enough money every quarter, they're gonna get kicked the curb.
    howyjr
    Well they've already been around for four years, so I can't see them disappearing any time soon. And I hope not. They're a breath of fresh air. The live shows are phenomenally energetic and the crowd reciprocates that energy ten-fold. Anyway, each to their own I suppose.
    TheExterminator
    "They want the same carbon copy bands/albums over and over and nothing remotely different." And yet that's what Babymetal is: decent J-Pop played over crappy, generic Metal that sounds like it's something you'd hear on some mediocre Metal-orientated radio in the late 90s and early 2000s aimed at kids who only know a handful of mainstream Metal bands. It's crap Metal ruining something that would be listenable if the Metal wasn't there. We either have to take Babymetal as a Metal band, in which case you need to remove the J-Pop element and let it go off and have a semi-successful career while the Metal element dies a death fitting of generic trash, or we need to take it as a J-Pop group with a gimmick, where they either need a new gimmick, or find a backing band that can actually play Metal. I mean, there are Anime openings that have better guitar riffs than the majority of BabyMetal's songs, for ****'s sake. That's unacceptable for a band that's supposed to be playing a style of music in which riffs are one of the most important elements. So while Babymetal may be different (though there are a lot of Metal bands from Japan that have added ballads and other pop elements to their music for decades, so...), they're just not good, and that's the main difference between the average late 60s/early 70s Prog Rock and them. Even if you're trying something new, you still need to put effort into making something good.
    ggk
    let the kawaii flow through you!
    JimDawson
    Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to the dark side. Therefore, hating Babymetal can turn you into a psychopath.
    44Double0
    Babymetal is just a big gimmick... I really don't understand why people like them but they're still entitled to, even though I find it very annoying that this fad is the only thing(not literally) talked about at Blabbermouth, Metal Injection, UG, Metalsucks etc.
    GameSkate
    Most of "something something metal" genres are based around gimmicks, but in case of babymetal this gimmick is just more visible, that's all.
    Velcro Man
    They really are what metalheads need, too many metalheads are ****ing uptight purists ready to spout off about how bad some band or kind of metal is today, somehow under the impression that metal is super duper srs bsns and objectively rated. Metal needs adorable japanese girls to prove you're not automatically a badass viking critic just because you listen to Amon Amarth. This coming from a metalhead, metalheads really need to learn to calm down and **** off
    Manovvar
    yeah because metal is just an image right? you so metal... edit: actually scratch that...your profile and interested bands/artists paints you as the opposite lol. now get back to smoking your kief and video games and slap in some techno metal so you can trip out on fantasies of a zombie apocalypse. douche lol.
    Velcro Man
    Exactly my point, you're just a narrow-minded idiot metalhead that hates anything that doesn't "represent" "trve kvlt" values. Name a band and tell me what they "represent". Maybe one of the bands that sings about murdering people just for fun lyrics or just getting drunk. Metal doesn't have some unique, special, life changing message or meaning, it's just another form of music and you're a ****ing idiot if you somehow believe it's anything other than subjective. Also, lolwot? techno metal?
    Manovvar
    oh please, kid...slap more words together to make it look like you know what you're talking about lol. you: Favorite bands : "Too many to list, but stuff I'm into: Classical Jazz Folk Bluegras s Some Classic/Blue Rock Outlaw Country Proggy stuff Funk Retro Video Game Music Some soundtrack music Touhou stuff Very little hip hop/pop music (large fan of Gorillaz) Death/Mel odeath/Techdeath/doo m/blackened death/some thrash/folk/viking/p irate/goblin metal Primus" again, you so metal...lol. lil twat.
    Velcro Man
    See, unlike you, I don't have to kids myself about being "metal", I like to be open minded and explore ALL forms of music unlike some child that needs to prove something to themselves. Also, still no techno in there, so lol good job.
    Velcro Man
    If you're done compensating for your small penis size by being "trvly metal", your high levels of idiocy are quite annoying, kindly **** off and jerk off to manowar and pretend like they're not generic as ****.
    Manovvar
    "thieves think everyone is a thief"...so just because you're a brain-dead pot smoker who likes to jack off his tiny wee-wee, doesn't mean everyone is the same as you lol. but hey, it's fun to see ya resort to just mindless insults because your pride and ego is threatened...give me more, i love seeing babies cry lol.
    Velcro Man
    That's weird, I'm not really the one trying to make myself feel better by claiming my musical tastes are superior because they're shallow as ****. Also, lol the ole "pot makes u stoopid" line, you know it's 2014, right? Your desperation to prove yourself is quite adorable though~
    Manovvar
    and yeah, you might not have techno down in your interests, but hip-hop/pop and that other g4y sh1t is close enough lol. and yes it does look like you like a bit of everything...everything a hipster needs to be hip.
    Velcro Man
    1. How is music homosexual? I don't believe music HAS a gender. 2. Once again, just proving your own narrow-minded tastes, but it's okay, when I was your age, I was like that too, you'll grow up one day~
    link no1
    I like the way that you say the guy isn't a metal fan just because he likes a bunch of stuff that isn't metal. You've basically proven their point about most metal fans being narrow minded.
    Manovvar
    metal-heads that claim to be metal-heads but listen to anything but metal(except for maybe the odd time) are not metal-heads...that is all. sure i bet you like metal, but i bet you love telling people you like metal more than actually listening to it. so yeah...pose some more lol
    Velcro Man
    No, a metalhead is someone that like metal you moronic ****ing child, pretty much any metal musician takes influences from other genres, if you ONLY listen to metal, you're just a generic piece of shit with nothing unique to offer the world. Even the singer of the band you name yourself after has performed quite a number of arias. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Adams_... If you can't expand to something different, you're pretty much everything that's wrong with metal today.
    crazysam23_Atax
    "metal-heads that claim to be metal-heads but listen to anything but metal(except for maybe the odd time) are not metal-heads...that is all. " You are an absolute moron. I'll go let all of the UG metal forum know that they are not metalheads, because they had a discussion in the metal chat thread awhile back about electronic music. I'm sure they'll be just thrilled to be informed they're not metalheads.
    The Virtuoso
    Wait. I'm not a metalhead because I like sythpop and darkwave?!?! Sam! What is happening to me!!! I can feel the metal melting off my skin! ARGHHAHRAHARARAR!!!!
    crazysam23_Atax
    @The Virtuoso: I know, man. It's terrible, isn't it? Who knew liking synthpop made you not a metalhead?! D:
    Second Rate
    I must say that I've enjoyed this Manovvar v. Velcro Man pissing contest. Nothing like two wannabes trying to outdo each other. It's painfully obvious that neither of you know shit about Heavy Metal, so just kiss and make up.
    Velcro Man
    It's funny because apparently you're just like him~ If you'd like to compare knowledge, I'm always down for a debate~
    Manovvar
    simply put: poser(s)
    Velcro Man
    Maovvar: you sure are trying awful hard, considering you know nothing about how metal and metalheads work, maybe...just perhaps...you're the poser?
    ArizeTheZAK
    I don't see why everybody is making such a huge deal about this, if they want to play metal and have fun then they should be able to do that without hate. They just have their own style, if you listen to metal you already get judged, why would you judge the subgenre? They're just having a little fun. Geez, people.
    semmie12
    arent babymetal just full on ripoffs of Maximum the Hormone
    je1988
    MTH is more of a punk/alt rock band than they are metal. They have more of a A Day to Remember sound if anything.
    travislausch
    Hey, if it increases metal's exposure and gets more kids interested in learning guitars over thinking good music is only synth beats and auto-tune instead of a variety of sounds and skills, then who am I to argue whether they're the real deal or not? I personally don't enjoy j-pop so their appeal is lost on me, but kudos for doing something different for a change.
    Akkeli
    I agree, although I don't think anyone has to justify liking this band for reasons like "exposing guitar driven music for kids" or "doing something different". If you think it's good, it's fine.
    44Double0
    But does metal really need much more exposure? Does metal have to be incorporated in any other genres just so people will pick up an instrument? Metal wasn't everywhere I turned when I discovered it and yet I'm a huge fan of metal today... I do advocate developing music but doing something different doesn't automatically make what you're doing good.
    TheExterminator
    "But does metal really need much more exposure?" Not to mention the last time Metal was exposed to the world, all that happened was the mainstream industry sucked Metal dry for the next decade and a half, resulting in crappy bands like Poison and Cinderella, as well as the death of Thrash when it was flooded with second and third-rate MTV-friendly Thrash bands like Testament and the majority of bands that came out in the late 80s.
    K33nbl4d3
    What I don't like about this trend is that it eclipses everything else that can be described as "Japanese metal" because immediately those words mean "Babymetal" in every music tabloid-ish headline. In total honesty I'm aware that's a somewhat petty thing for me, as a visual kei fan, to get upset about. In practice, that doesn't stop me getting upset about it. Nonetheless I have no actual problem with the group themselves and as far as I'm concerned they can do what they like.
    mp8andrade
    But... doesn't baby metal use auto-tune? You know man, I think these people that keep bashing at them are stupid. If you don't like a band you just ignore it, there's no reason to keep bashing your head against a wall. But those that keep saying, I don't like it, but kudos for doing something different, are as equally stupid. It's like if your guitar teacher listened to a song you wrote and said: "Congratulations, I didn't like it!" (without a sarcastic tone). I don' like Babymetal, for me it's just gimmick. They could become the biggest band ever or be forgotten tomorrow, I don't give a crap.
    Magnumopus7001
    Metal shouldn't become a sell out just so children listen to it. It's something that comes with maturity.
    crazysam23_Atax
    The thing is, they aren't doing anything different. J-Metal has been a thing for decades.
    K33nbl4d3
    I hope you're not suggesting that your average J-metal band sounds even slightly similar to Babymetal? If you're trying to suggest that being from Japan is the thing that differentiates them from other metal bands - either in the case of actual J-metal bands or this fusion thing - that's just silly.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Hardly. But the fact is, all they are doing is mixing AILD or LoG riffing with J-Pop. Wow, so new. There's several bands that have done that before.
    K33nbl4d3
    That's totally a fair statement. From your comment it looked to me like the fact they were J-metal was what you were saying was the defining characteristic, but fair enough if that's what you mean.
    TheExterminator
    " kids interested in learning guitars over thinking good music is only synth beats and auto-tune instead of a variety of sounds and skills" DAE le glorious Metal master race over pleb Pop/Club untermensch?
    Absurder22
    eh, not really. Most of the hooks in babymetal are pretty synth laden, and the guitar playing isn't particularly fun (when starting metal playing, drop D ****ing sucks to learn off of).
    Wakko444
    Jesus, I have never seen a comment section this split in half. Someone hold me.
    blackone666
    I'll edit my comment; Fuck this
    Abacus11
    I actually just gave the Babymetal album a listen for the first time on my way to work this morning and I can't even pretend to deny that it's entertaining. I wanted to hate it but I can't. I don't necessarily LIKE it but what I do like about Babymetal is that they're doing something original that is resonating with a LOT of people. A lot of metal fans (myself included at times) complain about the entire genre has struggled to remain relevant since its commercial peak in the late 80's and early 90's. THIS is how a genre gets back in the spotlight... by offering something new that has mass appeal and the ability to achieve crossover success. Babymetal may be gimmicky in the extreme but if it will get more young people into bands like Carcass, Slayer, Metallica, etc. then I say MORE POWER TO THEM!
    TheExterminator
    "A lot of metal fans (myself included at times) complain about the entire genre has struggled to remain relevant since its commercial peak in the late 80's and early 90's" Not many, really, considering most realize that back during Metal's commercial peak, the only thing that came out of it was MTV sucking it dry. Grunge finally helped the Metal world get rid of all that crap when they "killed Glam", and the only people who have wanted to go back since are the kinds of people who are just barely scratching the surface of Metal in the first place. Metal has always thrived without mainstream relevance, Hell, I'd say it survived mainstream relevance and the industry's attempts to make it palatable. No one who's actually big into the Metal world is complaining about Metal's lack of mainstream appeal.
    Abacus11
    I absolutely get what your saying. MTV really did stick it's claws into glam and milk it for all it was worth commercially. The arrival of grunge definitely wiped that slate clean and ended up being a great thing for metal. I wasn't really referring to glam metal in my earlier post. The kind of metal that I was talking about was more NWOBHM and thrash which also enjoyed a lot of commercial success in the shadow of glam's television and radio dominance. I always think of glam as more of "pop music's version of metal" than a true part of the genre. The point I was trying to make was that Babymetal seems to have a lot more crossover appeal that could lead their fans to be more open-minded towards thrash and death metal. The girls' vocals aside, Babymetal's music has a lot more in common with Carcass or Slayer than it does with Poison or Winger. You make some great points but I wasn't really including glam metal as a part of what I was talking about.
    Akkeli
    I totally get you. I haven't heard their album but I've experienced the same. Sometimes I find a song or an album that's completely "out of my style" but I just can't help liking it on some level. Lot's of people seem to bash Babymetal because it's not exactly cool to like them. Maybe people will get past these kinds of "image" things when they grow up.
    BlackLabel5150
    with you on this, "Lets dress a bunch of hot Asian chicks up and have them prance around to heavy music"... I travel to Tokyo quite often for business and this is completely on par for over there. Not that there is anything wrong with hot Asian chicks or heavy music but this is a Fucking Payday Gimmick.
    Cazman
    "Hot asian chicks"? Are you ****ing kidding me, dude? The oldest one is, what, 15?
    zalant
    Perhaps he would have been better represented by the words "cute little Asian girls". The pejorative words here, I believe, are "hot" and "chicks", which allude to designs the poster might have on said females. I doubt anyone on here really intends to come off like a pedophile. But then again, if the poster himself is 15, would it then be okay? All about perspective, yo.
    Cazman
    On the off chance that he is a 15-year old business man who quite often travels to Tokyo for business, then yes, it would be okay.
    Dysfunktion
    I hate Babymetal.... but I guess that's because I'm not a pedaphile so I don't enjoy watching little girls prance around.
    link no1
    Babymetal fulfills 2 of my needs 1) To listen to metal that's really catchy that isn't taking itself totally f***ing serious for once 2) I get to watch little girls prance around from a safe distance
    TheExterminator
    "1) To listen to metal that's really catchy that isn't taking itself totally f***ing serious for once" You can find lots of that without having to suffer through Metal that sounds like it was made by a third-rate Nu-Metal band meets Lamb of God clone.
    Manovvar
    having seen my share of anime back in the day... almost all openings/endings have that "metal" element to their music with cutesy moe vocals. listen to a lot of "j-pop" and you'll see that there's not much difference between babymetal and the standard anime song. hell even marty freedman is a j-popper lol... this day and age, you can just slap 3 chords together, add some distortion to it, and call it metal. and since big fat corporate fat-cats know this(and how much the west love their anime and "metal") are you actually surprised babymetal exists? whatever sells i guess...the only people i truly feel bad for, are the suckers that fall for these fads and the kids in the band who are just being exploited. i'm sure they're having their own fun too and probly don't care that they're being taken advantage because tonnes of money are being thrown their way, but like all pop artists, whether it be metal or country or rnb or whatever, the next big thing will come along and replace them. but who knows...maybe at least one of these girls will have a bright future in the "music industry", while the other 2 fade away into lives of drug addicted child-stars of the past...sad really...but that's the world we live in.
    K33nbl4d3
    Why would you feel bad for the people who "fall for these fads"? If they enjoy it it'll only make their lives better.
    Manovvar
    well because these fads have one purpose in mind...to take your money. you thought it was about art/music?
    K33nbl4d3
    Dude, if you spend your money on something you enjoy, neither the artistic integrity according to metalheads on the internet nor the intentions of whatever record label came up with it affect how much you enjoy it. Nothing to do with art/music. Comprende?
    Manovvar
    a fool(or brainwashed) and his money are soon parted? comprende?
    Velcro Man
    It's kinda hard to call someone brainwashed when you're the kind of dumbass that thinks anyone who doesn't listen to only metal is a "poser" you ignorant little shit.
    Apocalypse4162
    The reason I dislike bands such as babymetal is because they are so desperate for fans that their music is frantically thrusting the proverbial dick in every direction, changing genres every ten seconds to try to appeal to everyone, just hoping that people will latch onto the gimmick. I'd rather have a quality band that plays any one genre than one crappy quality band trying to cover everything.
    Genrecore
    I actually like this band, not for the music. But for the angry try hards who take metal too seriously. Baby metal does not stop you from blasting Carcass.
    SleepFan
    Ridiculous. There is a big difference between Ghost and Babymetal. Ghost are making great and much more original music. Babymetal throws around generic riffs, stupid kid lyrics and their terrible singing. No comparison. It's fine to me if you like Babymetal, that's your choice. I don't hate them they can play what they want. But the difference in musicianship between these 2 bands in large.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Ghost...making great and original music. Yeah, about that... Ghost is basically an "occult" version of Blue Oyster Cult.
    Izzy-Sweet
    They sound f*ck all like BOC, why do you keep making that comparison? I really don't hear it.
    Absurder22
    It's like comparing ****in Nirvana to the BAckstreet Boys. For gods sakes, the faces of Baby metal have nothing to do with the original content they are performing.
    TheExterminator
    Ghost is a mediocre Occult Rock band that sounds like Blue Oyster Cult, only ten times weaker and more boring. Babymetal is a decent J-Pop group ruined by mediocre Metal. In the end, at least Babymetal has some part of it that is worth listening to, where as Ghost is just The Devil's Blood for people who don't want to put effort into finding new music.
    je1988
    Whether or not you like baby metal, the point is that metal purists are just f***ing annoying. Change is gonna happen in music like it or not. Deal with it and stop being a f***ing baby about it.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Change is fine. No metalhead disputes this. Some of us just disagree with what changes we personally like.
    Iommianity
    Jesus, people are whiners. Fuck your stupid, secondhand notions of art and integrity. Life would be better for everyone if people were content to leave what they don't like for people who do. I don't like these guys, but I hate arrogance even more, so I hope they only go on to further success. Best case scenario, some ******* chokes on their own bile, other people have some entertainment.
    glydersid
    He is right. Just enjoy the music, and if you don't like it then don't listen. No need to worry whether they are metal or not, manufactured, or fronted by 3 teenagers or whatever.
    iommi600
    Babymetal are the absolute worst shit I have ever come across in my entire ****ing life. And no, not even Carcass can make me change my mind.
    imspazzen
    I'm getting tired of seeing them on the front page. I also feel like saying that the only time I've run into metal elitists IRL, they were fans of mostly CM/NB bands (which I find hilariously ironic).
    bustapr
    I like Babymetal. Its not the usual Metal thats i hear, but thats whats so good about it. its different. I dont think it is a gimmick since its basically the start of a new genre, whatever genre theyre labeled as. They are the first notable band of this sort, and theyre popularity will only spawn more similar bands. and clearly alot of people are enjoying it. The band Babymetal itself will probably disband soon as is the case with a lot of japanese bands/groups, but I think theyve already established their influence in metal. Its only a matter of time until we start seeing similar bands pop up left and right.
    Velcro Man
    It IS a gimmick, but what's the problem with that? Every-single-band-ever that made it anywhere has a had a gimmick, be it trying to be the fastest band, the loudest, the heaviest, the evilest, most satanic, most violent lyrics, etc. It's all a gimmick.
    bustapr
    Ill explain why it isnt a gimmick. A gimmick is something that is popular for a while but then fades to near nothing. As far as I know, after the first "fastest band" there have been a million other "fastest bands", same goes for the band with really violent lyrics, and most satanic, evilest, and heaviest. If a band spawns alot of popular bands with the unique style they introduced, its not a gimmick. I have a feeling that the same will go for Babymetal.
    bustapr
    Ill explain why it isnt a gimmick. A gimmick is something that is popular for a while but then fades to near nothing. As far as I know, after the first "fastest band" there have been a million other "fastest bands", same goes for the band with really violent lyrics, and most satanic, evilest, and heaviest. If a band spawns alot of popular bands with the unique style they introduced, its not a gimmick. I have a feeling that the same will go for Babymetal.
    Velcro Man
    Incorrect, the official definition is: In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use. Thus, a gimmick is a special feature for the sake of having a special feature.
    HavokStrife
    They're like a girl, Japanese, Asking Alexandria. Well, with no screaming.
    bustapr
    another difference may be that baby metal actually has a talented band, Takayoshi Ohmura (God) being one of them.