Coldplay Denies Satriani's Copying Claim In Court

Coldplay has denied in federal court that it copied parts of Joe Satriani's music for its hit song, "Viva La Vida."

Coldplay Denies Satriani's Copying Claim In Court
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Coldplay has denied in federal court that it copied parts of Joe Satriani's music for its hit song, "Viva La Vida." In a response filed in Los Angeles on Monday, attorneys for Coldplay's band members also argued that any similarities between "Viva La Vida" and Satriani's "If I Could Fly" weren't enough to warrant damages. Satriani's song "lacks originality," Coldplay's response claims, and shouldn't receive copyright protection. Satriani sued Coldplay in December, claiming the British band used "substantial, original portions" of Satriani's "If I Could Fly," which was released in 2004. Satriani's lawyer, Howard E. King, said Coldplay's response was typical for copyright infringement cases and he reiterated that he thought the matter could have been resolved without a lawsuit. Thanks for the report to Billboard.com.

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    masterofpuppies
    Satriani really needs to give this one up. Don't get me wrong, I hate Coldplay with a passion, but there is no way Chris Martin has ever listened to a Satriani album. .....Saying that, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Chris Martin is a secret shredder when Gwyneth and Apple are out of the house.....!!
    RedFez64
    Satch please drop it, you've gotten publicity now. Anything more and it'll just start looking silly and i'll lose respect for you.
    DouglasDisaster
    rictazero wrote: AHAHHA just because something "lacks originality" apparently it doesn't DESERVE copy right protection? If it's copyrighted, it's copyrighted, generic or otherwise. End of story.
    Agreed. I hate Coldplay. The only thing Chris Martin has going is knocking up Gwenyth Paltrow. I wonder if they listened to "Surfing with the alien" while making Apple!
    fattyDQ
    MLilienthal wrote: Satriani fanboys are hilarious The real joke here is that you idiots seem to think technical complexity is what makes music good, yet Coldplays compositions are generally more complex than anything Joe writes. Since when does wanking Lydian and Pentatonic over a 3 chord backing track that sounds like it was ripped straight out of an 80's songbook equal musicality? Obviously you Coldplay bashing morons haven't actually listened to Viva La Vida (the album), because it's more creative and daring than everything Joe Satriani has done in his entire career put together.
    Winner!
    Tophue
    SG_Player93 wrote: Satriani's song "lacks originality," r u retarded!? satch is one of the most creative and original musicians EVER!
    lol in what way
    Who66
    ColdPlay is neither the entirely dismissible pop drivel nor the particularly singular work that the two opposing groups of people on here would have you believe. Coldplay (or martin, at least) may be a bit pompous considering they are hardly revelatory, but it seems the facts that have already been stated (songs NOT originally in the same key, for example) lead to Coldplay being in the right legally. unfortunate that only about 3 or 4 people on here are remotely objective...
    SG_Player93
    Satriani's song "lacks originality,"
    r u retarded!? satch is one of the most creative and original musicians EVER!
    edgeyyz
    leakeg wrote: its a completely unoriginal melody which has been used countless times before. Coldplay are finally admitting here that that is true - they have said Satriani's song 'lacks originality' - which means so does their song, because the melodies are ****ing identical! In other words, Coldplay have finally stopped trying to fool us and admitted they suck anus.
    You are a freaking genius!
    MLilienthal
    Satriani fanboys are hilarious The real joke here is that you idiots seem to think technical complexity is what makes music good, yet Coldplays compositions are generally more complex than anything Joe writes. Since when does wanking Lydian and Pentatonic over a 3 chord backing track that sounds like it was ripped straight out of an 80's songbook equal musicality? Obviously you Coldplay bashing morons haven't actually listened to Viva La Vida (the album), because it's more creative and daring than everything Joe Satriani has done in his entire career put together.
    PIMO
    screw coldplay now lol talkin shit about Satch like that wtf theyre ass anyways barely got any good songs and unoriginal?! yea w/e Satch will dump on their chest any day
    MLilienthal
    rictazero wrote: AHAHHA just because something "lacks originality" apparently it doesn't DESERVE copy right protection? If it's copyrighted, it's copyrighted, generic or otherwise. End of story.
    Something that lacks originality isn't original Please explain how something that isn't original deserves copyright protection?
    fadetoblack84
    To be honest, i really dislike Coldplay with a strong passion, even before the whole Satch vs. Coldplay court thing. But they just need to take a plea and move on with their lives. They made shitloads of money off that one song, they wont lose ALL of it. they need to just admit or accept it and move on.
    shoka1234
    rush4life wrote: If Satriani's song lacks originality, then what does that make Coldplay's song?
    wow, your all pretty dumb...clearly coldplay copied the key and rhythm from the song. they sound exactly the same for gods sake. coldplay suck
    littlephil
    Starkie wrote: Satriani can lick a sack. I mean come on buddy, you have enough money, just let this crappy Coldplay song go on. Shit.
    Do you realise how many more records and such Coldplay would have sold than Satch? They get played on the radio all the time, as opposed to Satch who would probably never get aired. Its a small, instrumental rocker against a massive mainstream pop band. Hell, Satch wasnt even signed to a label until he was 30
    Past-L
    There is a bumper sticker around my area that says "What Would Vanilla Ice Do?" Coldplay seems upset that they were cought... and now someone want's to get them to either say sorry, and pay the fee to use the "sample" or just work out a reasonable deal... Back to the Vanilla Ice thing... come on, he Lost all rights to the ENTIRE album. All The money does to Queen AND David Bowie.... so Coldplay should consider them selves lucky that only one people is filing a lawsuit. They already admitted they copied other bands, so they better watch themselves.
    StratStar21
    gee-tar-tom wrote: COLDPLAY ARE F****ING SHIT!
    while i agree with you, i implore all others who share our opinion to at least give some reasons so you dont fan the flames of "you stupid pre-pubescent 13 year old! you cant even come up with a reason why you hate them!"
    dickass
    SG Man Forever wrote: If Satriani's song "lacks originality," then what does that say about a song that copied it? At any rate, Satch has more musical talent in one finger than all of coldplay put together.
    probably literally. as in, if he played an instrumrnt with just one of his fingers it would sound better than coldplay.
    Les Paul57
    "Know how i know you're gay? Because you listen to coldplay" seriously tho, being honest coldplay are good musicians; not exactly my style of music but if u listen to their songs you can't deny that they have talent. The similarity is striking between the two songs and if Satch wants to pursue it then he should go for it, hell it's not like they don't have enough money. also Satch is God.
    -Rock-N'-Roll-
    They obviously did..jesus, the songs go at the same beat even. It's just like they added an extra guitar.
    StratStar21
    Flying Couch wrote: Satriani's song "lacks originality," Coldplay's response claims, and shouldn't receive copyright protection. ...There are no words.
    many people have taken this quote out of context, hes sayin that the melody lacks originality, so at the same time hes kinda dissin his own song since the melodies are similar. But i didnt need to hear this to know Chris Martin is a stuck up prick.
    qwerty_555
    RampagingAcorn wrote: am i the only one here that likes coldplay?
    No I saw them a couple of weeks ago, they were awesomely good. The best show I've ever been to, and I've seen a few
    Ktool The Girth
    grayelbows wrote: Misfit-FTB wrote: But I agree with the above post. Satch is only good at playing guitar and not making music. He will only be recognized for playing guitar, and not as a badass songwriter. He has no depth in his music. Just a big cluster **** of guitar riffs. licks, and all that good shit. While Coldplay is recognized as writing songs with good lyrics, and MELODIES. Overall Coldplay is more talented in my opinion anyways, and Satch is just greedy since this could of been solved without a lawsuit. dude..... you just said coldplay was talented... WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM?
    Earth maybe? Pull your head out of your ass and realize that theres more to music than brutally shredding.
    raulrocks
    i'm effin tired of everybody talking shit about coldplay. Whats so horrible about dem? I personaly think they are good. Viva la Vida was great. and theyre music is completely different from Satch. I do hear the simmilarities but Satch should just stop trying to get rich and take Viva la Vida as a tribute instead of plagarism
    eltravo
    ! In other words, Coldplay have finally stopped trying to fool us and admitted they suck anus.[/quote] Lol, that is NOT what he said. Stop with the ignorance. It's embarrassing.
    Deep*Kick
    MLilienthal wrote: Satriani fanboys are hilarious The real joke here is that you idiots seem to think technical complexity is what makes music good, yet Coldplays compositions are generally more complex than anything Joe writes. Since when does wanking Lydian and Pentatonic over a 3 chord backing track that sounds like it was ripped straight out of an 80's songbook equal musicality? Obviously you Coldplay bashing morons haven't actually listened to Viva La Vida (the album), because it's more creative and daring than everything Joe Satriani has done in his entire career put together.
    Except to be creative you actually have to create something of your own, over and over again differently in each song...
    Woodkha'ak
    frottage wrote: I love Satch, but he's being a real bitch.
    That's because they're stealing his shit...I'd be pissed off too.
    Rokeman
    Goddamnit, all this hate and rage is annoying. People like Coldplay and Satriani for different reasons, true. Just because you like one doesn't mean that the other is bad. Grow up people. Secondly, Coldplay and Satch should just sit down and talk things over, rather than this lawsuit crap.
    AyMD
    Putting aside the flaming, the sarcasm, and the stupidity... Flaming a band on a forum about the band is offset, whereas flaming a band in a forum not even about the band's music entirely (as this one is about a court case pertaining to the comparison of two songs) is ignorant. Those of you who have heard 3 Coldplay songs and make comments such as "Coldplay is gay" have already undertaken a feat known as losing the battle.
    _Jon
    Anyone ever heard Coldplay live? lmao, it's horrible!
    maximumrocker
    wow i heard about this like months ago and thought that coldplay and satch man came to something. but come on coldplay is really screwing this up. they atleast solve it in or out of court.... wounder if this is goin to go on when they take there break
    queenslander47
    Snake wrote: Satriani lacks originality? That's like saying St. Anger was Metallica's best album.
    lol there is always a way to bash st anger isn't there
    Noremak
    Im sure if i got together a group of coldplay fans who had no idea about this case and then played satriani's song to them they would all go "OMG that guy stole Coldplay's song! They should sue that evil man!!!!1!!111! I love Viva La Vida!
    3blackpicks
    yenners wrote: 1. Coldplay's guitarist is a Satch fan. 2. Coldplay have admitted to copying other artists' music before. 3. The melodies and chord progression that make up both works are too similar, based on music theory. To get the exact combination of notes and carry the same sort of theme and feel is spectacularly coincidental. 4. Coldplay's total avoidance of the issue and their treatment of Satch's attempts to settle out of court are consistent with them not wanting to admit copying him. 5. Satch, by all reports, is a humble guitar teacher who is purely in it for the music, not the money. The song in question was very personal for him, but I think he's seeing this through purely because of Coldplay's arrogant treatment of the issue making him feel as though they should be made to recognise his creative right. Artists have rights, and Satch is simply enforcing his, and shouldn't be looked down upon for doing so. IMO, it's Coldplay's treatment of this issue from the start that should be frowned upon.
    +1
    ndschroede23
    People here claim that Coldplay admit to stealing music before. That seems like a big deal that would have been brought up before. Can someone provide a link to a news article about this? I haven't heard of it before.
    shoka1234 wrote: rush4life wrote: If Satriani's song lacks originality, then what does that make Coldplay's song? wow, your all pretty dumb...clearly coldplay copied the key and rhythm from the song. they sound exactly the same for gods sake. coldplay suck
    lrn2music It's not the same key. Don't regurgitate what other people say and act like you know things. Be honest and plead ignorance, it's way more becoming.
    yenners
    1. Coldplay's guitarist is a Satch fan. 2. Coldplay have admitted to copying other artists' music before. 3. The melodies and chord progression that make up both works are too similar, based on music theory. To get the exact combination of notes and carry the same sort of theme and feel is spectacularly coincidental. 4. Coldplay's total avoidance of the issue and their treatment of Satch's attempts to settle out of court are consistent with them not wanting to admit copying him. 5. Satch, by all reports, is a humble guitar teacher who is purely in it for the music, not the money. The song in question was very personal for him, but I think he's seeing this through purely because of Coldplay's arrogant treatment of the issue making him feel as though they should be made to recognise his creative right. Artists have rights, and Satch is simply enforcing his, and shouldn't be looked down upon for doing so. IMO, it's Coldplay's treatment of this issue from the start that should be frowned upon.
    Kurai X
    Considering that this page is called ultimate-GUITAR, one would think that there are more musicians here than coldplay fans =/ You know what? Your opinion of if they copied or not doesn't matter, since clearly you're too ignorant to understand it.
    DouglasDisaster
    Oh, and if anyone wants me to give a reason WHY I hate Coldplay, Here it is: I just don't like their music. Yellow & Clocks are about the only two things I could listen to by them.
    fitterhappier34
    I LOVE Coldplay, but I'm not a big fan of Satch's music (I still respect him, and I know he's a great guitarist.) Has anybody bashing Coldplay here even tried to play some of Coldplay's songs on guitar, such as Chinese Sleep Chant, or Warning Sign? They have some of the craziest chords and guitar tunings. Sure, there aren't any fast riffs, but maybe they prefer musicality over virtuosity / shredding. Also, listen to the songs Death and All His Friends and Glass of Water. What's that? 7/4 and 7/8 time signatures. Compare that to the f**king Jonas Brothers now! Ignorant little pricks.
    grayelbows
    Misfit-FTB wrote: But I agree with the above post. Satch is only good at playing guitar and not making music. He will only be recognized for playing guitar, and not as a badass songwriter. He has no depth in his music. Just a big cluster **** of guitar riffs. licks, and all that good shit. While Coldplay is recognized as writing songs with good lyrics, and MELODIES. Overall Coldplay is more talented in my opinion anyways, and Satch is just greedy since this could of been solved without a lawsuit.
    dude..... you just said coldplay was talented... WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM?
    mudswitch
    SaintJimmy105 wrote: ^Exactly. Thank you. And I also feel the need to point out that there is far more to musical talent than being able to shred, contrary to what millions of people believe. Honestly, I don't think Joe Satriani is that good. I think his songs are boring and repetative. I lump Satriani in with the people who write music that basically shows off how good they are at guitar. I'll recognize Satch's amazing guitar ability. However, he writes music that basically says, "Look how good I am". That doesn't take much talent. Just look at Herman Li...
    It doesn't help when you have the same song on repeat.. If think Satch writes music that shows off how good he is i think you should have a listen to Yngwie Malmsteem or Michael Angelo Batio. Clearly you don't listen to him much. On topic i think that Satch should win because Coldplay were douchebags from the start.. It could have been settled much more quickly if they had accepted the fact that they copied Satch.
    Wiegraf
    AyMD wrote: c) What makes the bands you listen to better than the likes of U2, Coldplay, and Radiohead.
    No one said that Radiohead or U2 was untalented. In fact, you were the first person on this page to mention U2.
    b) Why any form of music that is liked, in general, is "bad,"
    **Note that alot of mainstream music is literal piss,
    Are you serious?
    MCRkid22
    I think this entire case is bullshit. There are only about 13 notes, and only so many keys to play them in, leaving an extremely low amount of ways in which to arrange them. There are more bands then there are ways to arrange melodys, so it's stupid to get worked up about it. Nobody should get sued over a ****ing melody line. Satch kicks ass, but he doesn't own melodic progressions.
    HendrixClaptonP
    Ok, to all the people saying Satrriani should get over it etc, if someone stole YOUR song, I bet you wouldnl;t be so blase about it. Secondly, what if it had been revesed, and Joe was accused of stalong Coldplay's song, woudl you all being saying, Coldplay should get over it? Do you think Coldplay would just let it slide? I doubt it.