David Draiman to Roger Waters: 'Hate Disguised as Art Doesn't Work'

Disturbed frontman once again addresses Waters' Star of David controversy.

David Draiman to Roger Waters: 'Hate Disguised as Art Doesn't Work'
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Disturbed frontman David Draiman gave a detailed explanation of his stance on Roger Water's decision to put the Star of David on a floating pig during his shows, calling it nothing short of crass. As Draiman told Artisan News, one of the main reasons he was struck by Waters' "travesty of justice" to such extent is the fact that he's been a longtime fan of Pink Floyd. "Let's take this away from it being a political issue and whether or not you agree with the policies of the state of Israel - and there's many times I myself do not agree with the policies of the current administration," the frontman said. "I didn't agree after the UN gave temporary recognition to the Palestinian people as a nation - that the immediate reaction was to allow for additional expansion into the west bank territories - I thought that was a very foolish move." The singer then specifically focused on Pink Floyd co-founder. "Now let's take it a step further. If you're going to make a political statement against the government of Israel, then the proper way to do it would be to take the symbol of government of Israel - namely the Israeli flag - and put it on that pig. The very fact that you're affixing anything Jewish to a pig is offensive. "And I know that other symbols are utilized during the show, but they aren't but on the pig, aren't they? The cross is somewhere in the show, other symbols of government and religion are used throughout the shoe, but they're not put on the damn pig." Draiman continued, "On one side of the pig you have some Nazi-looking characters giving a 'Sieg Heil' salute and on the other side you have the Star of David - the lone Star of David - a symbol which has stood for the Jewish people as a whole for over 3000 years. And there's no one on the face of this planet - whether it's Roger Waters or anybody else - who has the right to redefine what that symbol stands for. "And if you're going to put that symbol on a pig and fly it through your audience as a symbol of tyranny and repression and greed - that is a very blatant anti-Semitic statement that shows exactly where your thoughts lie, that this is no longer a political issue, that this is something personal that you have towards an entire race and entire people. And it's not about artistic freedom and it's not about poetic license and it's not about freedom of expression." Draiman concluded, "It's about hate imagery which is backed up by hate speech. And that should be condemned. Hate disguised as art doesn't work."

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    snoble029
    This is very offensive to pigs. The fact that people are offended by their religious symbol being put on a pig... How do you think that makes pigs feel? I hate religion, but if I had one, I wouldn't mind my symbol being put on a pig. Pigs are pretty ****ing awesome!
    Jacques Nel
    You calling pigs awesome...me getting my more than usually amused chuckle for the day.
    Megadeth2011
    We used to raise pigs on our farm. I don't think "pretty ****ing awesome" is a good way to describe them. "Pain in the ****ing ass" works though!
    Kriggs
    I went to the Rogers gig in Vienna on Friday and saw the Star of David on the floating Pig. I also saw the Islamic Crescent moon and the Christian cross, plus a whole lot of other symbols. Their lack of uproar kinda makes them look good for once , especially how one of them feels the same way about pigs.
    toxin9
    but they're not put on the pig, and also it's okay to not agree with the government of Israel and put the symbol of the government on the pig but don't put the star of david-the symbol of the entire Jewish people on the pig
    Kriggs
    All the symbols Ive mentioned were put ON the pig. And the Israeli flag is the Star of David on a white background with a line above and below it. So it's inevitable that protests against Israel will show the Star of David.
    ollasoasch
    I was there too, and yes, all the sings you mentioned were on the pig, nut just the star of david. It seems to me, that those people who are offended have no clue what the wall is about!
    toxin9
    so he shouldn't put the lone star of david on the pig, just the israeli flag. like drainman said water's can't redefine those cymbals to mean what he wants. if he wants to protest against the israeli government he should put the flag of israel on it and not the LONE star of david
    cwm1990
    Who cares! Hes not the first person to do something like this, And he wont be the last. Its one guy who happens to have fans for his MUSIC, quit worrying about what he thinks or what his political stance is, appreciate his art or turn the page and keep reading.
    DickHardwood
    Huge overreaction.
    Jacques Nel
    Huge is an understatement. What I really find stupid is that this guy has the gull to come and attack a man for using so called anti semitic imagery in a show when Disturbed used to perform in front of a huge "pentagram"-ish image when I saw them for the first time. So when they use imagery that could offend those of a certain religion it's fine? But don't offend the Jews or David will break every bone in his body to defend them? Hypocrite!
    fanuch
    I might be mistaken, but the symbol you are referring to is meant to be a melding of many organised religions to denote unity and acceptance. As in the cover of "Believe"
    l0ld4v3
    That is really offensive to some people.
    third(-)eye
    >The symbol is meant to denote unity and acceptance. >That is really offensive to some people. Who are these people, exactly, and why would they rather the world be comprised of bigots than peaceful and accepting people?
    Ponchibego
    People are commonly mistaken about what the pentagram stands for. It is an important icon for many religions that people have tried to turn into an anti-religious object. Much like the upside down cross, which is a positive symbol and icon representing Peter's faith and belief in Jesus, has now been deemed as an Atheist icon.
    third(-)eye
    I always LOL when people wear shirts with that cross on it thinking they're antichrist.
    eatfresh1736
    That symbol is Disturbed's most famous icon, and it represents unity and brotherhood. That's the opposite of putting a Star of David on a pig.
    kknewkles.wildw
    You should know that usual pentagram(normal star) is a symbol of PROTECTION from devilish stuff. Star upside-down is symbol of satan and crap.
    Jacques Nel
    Someone's trying to remain relevant I see...
    JimBonJovi
    Relevant? Draiman has always voiced his opinion on political,environmental & socio-economic subjects.
    Jacques Nel
    Dude this guy seemingly fell off the face of the earth after Disturbed went on a hiatus. The only times he surfaces is when he's whining about something.
    BjarnedeGraaf
    or when his new band device brings out their new album and opens for big bands like Avenged Sevenfold.
    Jacques Nel
    Device doesn't count. They're a rip off of his own former/current band Disturbed anyway.
    esky15
    Yea I thought I kept hearing disturbed on the radio. I was wrong.
    henrihell
    Dude, he spent most of his life singing in disturbed, it's inevitable that it's gonna sound similar. Lately he also produced the new trivium record and sang with Megadeth.
    Swizzlestix
    he ruined one of the only passable songs on Super Collider. Dance In The Rain is epic until his stupid part comes in, **** Draimon
    reggaep
    Isn't he also producing Trivium's next album
    Mahoru
    Yeah, and judging by the couple of songs they've released from the album, it's sounding like he's put his fingerprints all over it. Which is a shame, because I really like everything they've done so far, but those 2 tracks have been just bad, and you can hear Draiman's influence (especially on the vocals) inmediately. Which in my case, since I absolutely hate his vocals and songwriting style, is a TERRIBLE sign.
    eddiehimself
    Considering how much he was complaining about the "politicisation" of Martin/Zimmerman, he does seem to be drawing this one out a lot...
    Jacques Nel
    Since when is this fellow religious in any case? He's just naming random stuff and saying they are offensive. He'll find my balls offensive.
    guy_mtx
    Because Jews are a people as well as a religion. Even an atheist Jew is still Jewish.
    RUs1
    I don't want to offend anyone, but I consider Jewish people a religion and not a race. I understand that other people think otherwise, but your statement sounded to me as if you would say that an atheist (insert whatever religious group here) is still (that religious group). I mean are Muslims, Christians, Buddhists also a nation ? I do not think so. This is just my view and if there is someone Jewish here who can explain this to me I would be glad to at least try to understand the situation.
    ShnazzyJazz
    Well, it's not rocket science man. You have the Jewish religion, which is faith based. Me, being a white American male, can be of Jewish faith. Then you have Jewish people, genetically identified by somewhat Arabic features (stereotypically: Dark hair, dark eyes, prominent noses, etc.,). Jerry Seinfeld is a Jewish person. He is also of Jewish faith. If he was atheist, he would still be of Jewish descent.
    RUs1
    But can you then form an average genetic identification for Christian people? And do the same for the rest of religions ? Where is the moment in history when Jewish people were recognized as such? I have already read the old testament, but that is a religious book - even though also a historical and philosophical one but the main book of an organized religion should not be the only source of information about Jewish history so as I said before I am not well informed about this topic and would very much like to hear this from someone who is not biased and is well educated on the subject i.e. got his information from multiple sources. The reason for this is because I can't understand the situation today unless I know what happened in the past. But there are so many sources out there it's hard to tell what is the truth.
    crazysam23_Atax
    The word "Jew" comes from the tribe of "Judah" or "Kingdom of Judah". (Jews recognize 12 tribes of Israel.) Judah was also referred as "the southern kingdom", when 10 tribes went to the north and called themselves "Israel" (aka "the northern kingdom" [these tribes were conquered by the Assyrians, who had a habit of spreading people all over their empire]). Jew is simply a bastardization of "Judah" and came to be applied to all people of Israelite descent. At least, that's what a Jew would tell you. This is why a Jew is considered both part of a race and possibly a member of Judaism.
    Dynamight
    Judaism is *also* a race for the simple fact that it's hereditary, owing to the status of an offspring being determined maternally within Jewish families. Therefore, the genetics have been preserved throughout hundreds of generations, forming an ethnicity. Simple, yet extremely hard to understand for many people apparently.