Foo Fighters Drummer on Gene Simmons' Cobain Comments: 'F--k That, It's Nonsense'

"They're icons for sure," Taylor Hawkins adds.

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Drummer Taylor Hawkins of Foo Fighters briefly addressed Gene Simmons' recent comments about Kurt Cobain not being a music icon, branding them "nonsense." As previously reported, Kiss bassist claimed that Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse can't be considered as definite music icons due to lack of material, specifically for releasing only two or three albums. "Oh, f--k that," Hawkins told TMZ. "That's just not ... that's nonsense." When asked on whether Cobain and Winehouse are icons in his book, the drummer added: "Whatever that means, yeah. I mean, for sure, especially Nirvana." As previously reported, Simmons gave the two late musicians a mild bashing during a Team Rock interview while elaborating why has the decline of music industry prevented true musical icons to appear. Interestingly enough, the bassist also mentioned Foo Fighters within the same domain, as well as Green Day, saying that although they're both great bands, they're still far from "iconic superstars." You can check out Taylor's brief comments below and let us know what you think in the comments.

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    Necdilzor
    The Jimi Hendrix Experience released 3 albums with Jimi Hendrix alive. Jimi Hendrix is not an icon on Gene Simmons book.
    azrael4h
    Robert Johnson left only two photographs, two marriage licenses, and 26 recordings. Yet he has left more of an impact on music in general than Kiss ever will. According to Gene Simmons, he's not an icon.
    vivalaheerey
    That 37 second interview just seemed completely pointless. Simmons will always be an ass, he thinks he's an elite human!
    T.G-Tom
    Jeff Buckley made one album, then died. He's an icon to many songwriters and musicians, not for his early death, but for the talent he had. Sure, the myth has grown because he passed away so young, but that's with every artist. In my eyes he's an icon, in other people's eyes he's just an overrated musician. It's a matter of PERSONAL OPINIONS. If you love Nirvana and Kurt Cobain, think of him as an icon. If you don't, leave it alone.
    Shametome
    Simmons was being a massive douche, but he was right about Kurt being as famous as he is now because of his suicide. *prepares for downvotes*
    AmalgamOfMeat
    In the months near the end of Cobain's life, Nirvana was already the most successful and most culturally important rock band in the world, so maybe you can understand why it was kind of a big deal that he killed himself. This ridiculous resentment and suicide shaming is just an unnecessarily shitty was to say you don't like Nirvana's music. If you don't like the music then fine, but when you feel the need to put someone down because they had mental problems serious enough to make them kill themselves, then I'd say you're probably a "massive douche". Besides, it's not exactly like the dude anything to gain from it, considering, you know, he's ****ing dead.
    Bleh?
    I think that goes without saying. It's often the case that stars that die in their prime will be idolised more than those that go on to fade into obscurity. That said, to deny that Kurt is 'iconic' is just plain stupid. Whether you liked his music or not, he played a starring role in the lives of a whole generation and pretty much spearheaded an entire musical genre. I'd argue that Kurt's untimely death made him more of an icon and that being an icon in no way depends on the size of your musical back catalogue.
    azrael4h
    True. I remember back in school in those days, everyone and their dog was gushing over Nirvana. I still have yet to listen to anything from them, or even the Foo Fighters. Back then, I listened to T Bone Walker, Lightnin' Hopkins, and Muddy Waters. I wasn't interested in then-modern music. I'm going to have to pick up one of their albums now. Just to see what the hype is all about.
    ionoobmaster
    actually he became a bit more famous because of the suicide, but that doesn't mean Nirvana wasn't big.
    TomM96
    To be fair in those four studio albums Kurt recorded with Nirvana, he had a bigger influence than most artists do in their long careers - quality over quantity
    AdamnEve
    Word. Look at a band like the Sex Pistols (which I am not a huge fan of, but do not dislike either) they only came out with an EP and people still talk about them because of the influence. In my opinion there was better punk to come, but they started something. Same thing with Kurt he really brought "heavy" / "grungy" music to the mainstream. Which paved the way for the success of many future bands whether they were Nirvana fans or not. in my opinion the best Nirvana album is Bleach, I love the rawness, although the drumming is not as good as later efforts.
    Filipus
    But they still had a major following. I don't think Amy became more famous after her death actually.
    ianharv
    Not necessarily, If he had not commit suicide there's a real chance that he could be more famous.
    JDawg
    Surprise, up vote! But no, I still think Kurt sucked before and after he killed himself.
    rockerwannabe
    Watch it. I made an anti-Cobain comment and then got admonished by UG for being offensive. His fans are as misguided as he was.
    Bart123
    Yeah? He was right how? And how the fvck would you know? Seriously, you were born in 1997.. why am I not surprised? *prepares for upvotes*
    Telemonster4
    ^ No.
    Bart123
    Born in 2031.. why am I not surprised? *prepares for even more upvotes*
    slash&angus
    You're being pretty annoying.. why am I not surprised? Because you did the same thing twice.
    Bart123
    You on the other hand show great skills at imitating. Go play some more "Highway to Hell". I knew before looking at your profile that you had a Epiphone LP. So original. Ok I'm bitter. I will stop now.
    AddeBR
    Why the **** would anybody like music more because the singer is dead? That's really nonsense.. I mean, I would still love them if he hadn't died.
    Smegal
    My thought. Sex pistols. Less albums than winehouse but sparked a musical revolution that redefined music. Thus they are icons, specifically lydon as he was the instigator of it. You cannot discount someone who has had little material as an icon because it is quality over quantity, if in the little material they have produced they have done more for music than then entire kiss catalogue over their decades of performing, then they are indeed an icon.
    notaconotaco
    If they were unpopular before they died young, no one would have cared. Yes, dying young freezes that person at the height of their career and makes it easier for them to be seen as an icon, but they still have to make an impact while they're alive in order to make an impact when they die.
    seance
    That's not necessarily true. Artists like Nick Drake and Chris Bell were relatively under the radar when they were alive but their music has been growing in popularity as the decades go by. It's not always so black and white to say the least.
    Teaisfantastic
    Kiss had to put on make up and costumes to make an impression. Nirvana only had to play their music. Kurt Cobain will always be an icon whether Gene Simmons likes it or not.
    Gugnums
    Jimi Hendrix released 3 albums before he died. Sex Pistols only released one album as did Jeff Buckley. Robert Johnson only recorded some 30 songs. Sublime had three albums. Notorious B.I.G. has two. Buddy Holly had three. But he is right, it is better to have 20 really mediocre albums and be around for 30 years than to actually put out good music and be remembered for it.
    Ishiga
    Because they felt sympathetic he killed himself and interpreted his nonsense lyrics as some deep metaphor to his soul or some shit like that. That's why. I disagree with the style of thinking, but I'd be stupid to claim it didn't happen. Nirvana sold more music after Kurt died. On Taylor's short interview, he obviously didn't care lol. Just goes to show how much Gene's opinion actually matters. Hint; not much.
    AdamLeMoine
    Well.. honestly it makes sense they would sell more music in the 20 years after his death than in the 4 years they were in spotlight.
    Gerrball
    i like how his child ran into him after he said the word F*CK, then realizes he spoke that in front em
    headstone05
    Every time I read an interview with Gene Simmons it fills me with insight as to how Gene Simmons feels about himself.
    CollyOBrien
    Whatever about 'icons', that's up to the person. I'm more fascinated that Taylor and Dave have the same voice and mannerisms hahaha
    JPSkeebs
    Anyone who refers to him or herself as an icon is trying to hold on to something they lost a long time ago. Gene can go hang out with Billy Corgan and they can both discuss how great they are.
    squirttilithurt
    I was listening to some Nirvana last week for the first time in years. Kurt's stuff was awesome. Green Day is a great band. Foo Fighters... I only like the hits sometimes.
    Tom Ak40
    As much as Gene is a bell end. I think he's right. Nirvana made some ok music. But it was nothing special. The main reason (I think) is that Nirvana is icon is because nirvana was an underground band that became huge, which meant records labels suddenly had to start paying attention to the underground scene more closely. They also helped bring grunge to the mainstream. This being said however, I do not think KISS is an iconic band either. Kurt might have married Courtney Love and put a round of buckshot between his eyes, but at least he never sold his band's brand to a company that would combine him with a cat and put him on toilet paper.
    hamsteroceros
    Soooo Simmons says Cobain is not an icon, you begrudgingly agree, then explain why he is an icon. Got it. You don't have to like an artist to recognize how iconic he/she may be - this is the value of your post, as awkwardly as you expressed it.
    Tom Ak40
    Yesterday was a long day for me so I didn't proof read my comment. So I forgot to type in Nirvana is considered.
    seance
    Both bands are iconic. I mean, we're still talking about them and listening to them all these decades later. That's kind of over-simplistic, but it counts for something.
    Skater901
    Why is this even news... it's basically two musicians arguing with each other.
    AwesomeOne3
    The reason why Gene Simmons called Kurt Cobain "not an icon" is because he is jealous of Kurt being more successful than he was. Gene is a business man, Kurt is a musician. Let's stick it to the man. AKA Gene Simmons.
    Baia
    all bands Simmons criticized are great bands and, in my opinion, iconic. i do belive cobain is overated but he is still pretty good
    rockerwannabe
    I love old KISS (pre-79) but Gene does whatever he can to make me start to hate even that era. I hate Nirvana and Cobain but Gene just needs to stop saying anything for the sake of getting attention. The guy has proved so many times over how much of a tool he is.
    Zombiestompa
    Gene Simmons is not and HAS NOT been relevant in the music scene since Kiss decided to publicly take off their Make-up in the 80's - And herein is my beef with Gene Simmons talking about Rock Icons - His group had to take off their make-up to be relevant. Kurt Cobain (and I freely admit to not being a Nirvana fan during the period) made culturally iconic music, his music inspired a generation. Kiss' music inspired no-one and I challenge anyone below the age of 40 to be able to inform me of anymore than 8 relevant songs they recorded that people still listen to. Any group who plays a set at a major music festival (Download in the UK) where they play on two songs that crowd actually knows and spends their zipping around on wires and spraying blood everywhere is essentially eeking out a career as a fascination, something which people ultimately grimace at because it's a little sad that geriatric pensioners would still wear "those" outfits and hark back to a bygone age where they were popular for 5 minutes. My money is on the simple fact that gene Simmons knows full well that Cobain is an Icon, he just hasn't had any air time in a while and he wants to plug something new. The only relevance Kiss has is that one of the greatest musician's (Guitarists)is buried in one of their Caskets..... RIP DIME. That's really it - Gene Simmons making a statement to shock folks and be in the news or Gene Simmons actually being intelligent - You work it out.
    christianonbass
    I remember the day Kurt's body was found. A rock journalist said right away, "The voice of a generation died, this is the biggest story since Lennon was shot." Then the huge memorial at The Center was held, it was incredible. Cobain was legendary when Nirvana had just released their 3rd studio album...BEFORE Kurt died!
    karstaag666
    Tbh I think all this hate from Gene is basically stemming from the fact that in all the 30 years they have been going, they're still NOTHING in comparison to the big rockstars who did 10x more in just 1 or 2 albums. I mean to be a band for 30 years strong is a big accomplishment that I think he feels gets overlooked but all I see is jealousy.
    scorpsfan830
    Simmons is just jealous because Nirvana released 2 albums and they are more popular/influential than Kiss will ever be despite the fact that Kiss has released 20 albums.
    Second Rate
    You can't be that stupid, can you? Do you not realize how many heavy metal musicians picked up instruments because of Kiss or bands that were influenced by Kiss? Your hurt feelings do not change an established fact.
    Slap-happy
    Nirvana inspired me to play and not care as much about appearances, just writing songs and being passionate. I was 15 when Nevermind came out. It seemed a logical progression from listening to Sex Pistols and the like. KISS? Never really liked anything they did. Just facts of my personal experiences.
    max.lindroos.5
    well Kiss is shit and overrated and Nirvana is only overrated and i'm happy for the impact that Kurt Cobain had to the music industry but they didn't do nothing else than create a new genre and their music was half assed-
    cotlodjimmy
    why is kurt Gobang even being discussed on ultimate GUITAR? He was to guitar what the ice age was to dinosaurs. He is the antichrist to all that is music and talent. He deserves to rot in hell for what he did to music! An eternity in torment in hell is too good for that infected anal rash of a human. ALL IN FAVOR OF 2 MORE BULLETS? "AND LET FREEDOM RING WITH A SHOTGUN BLAST" -Machine Head (and i dont even like Rob Flyn)
    coco-axeman
    TMZ, making people awkward since..... Well, since whenever they started making people awkward
    akhilnarayan07
    awesome man really awesome this is the first site in my preference when i search for guitar chords
    Guitargod1980
    I would like too know who made some of you the voice of who and what suck's and who is and isn't a musican?? As far as Im concerned Gene and his crew of miscreants aren't that great like everyone has made them out too be nether. Gene is an *****.he is an egotistical,womanizer.and their stage costumes show them as some hardcore devil/space band with fire and blood. but when you listen too them there as soft as freshly baked bread. Really?? just because they have been around since the stone age doesen't make them great in my book. but that's just my opinion,just like you all have yours.At least kurt wasn't fake.
    J-E-M
    Old git hack should shut his f**king attention getting wh0re mouth.
    Skuzzmo
    So the drummer who happens to be in a band with an ex member of Nirvana says Simmons is wrong and that Nirvana are music icons.....Shocker. When asked on whether Cobain and Winehouse are icons in his book, the drummer added: "Whatever that means, yeah. I mean, for sure, especially Nirvana." Please Mr Grohl can I have my pay check now..
    Bruntti
    This must be the most chill TMZ paparazzi. I thought that they're all arseholes.