Former Marilyn Manson Guitarist John5: I Was Fired!

Former Marilyn Manson guitarist John5 has told Mtv.com that during the group's last tour, the band's frontman spoke just once to him about something other than business.

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Former Marilyn Manson guitarist John5 has told Mtv.com that during the group's last tour, the band's frontman spoke just once to him about something other than business. "It was on my birthday, and he turned to me and said, 'Happy birthday, [faggot]' ? then walked away," said the guitarist, who received a call from Manson's manager on March 30 letting him know that his services were no longer needed.

While the two artists never became drinking buddies, Manson took full advantage of his ex-bandmate's playing and composing talents; John5 is credited with co-writing 13 of the 15 songs on 2003's The Golden Age Of Grotesque, which debuted at #1 on the Billboard albums chart. Still, John5 wasn't completely surprised when Manson's manager called last week and told him he was out of the band.

With regards to why he was kicked out, the guitarist said, "I don't know... I was nothing but nice to him," he continued. "I never screwed up onstage ? well not really badly ? and I did everything I could to get along with him. Maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with the fact that I don't drink or do drugs, and he's not like that at all. Maybe he held that against me. I don't know. He never said."

According to John5, communication between him and Manson ground to a halt in January, and when Manson started writing new songs for a best-of album and didn't ask for John5's input.

"He wanted to work with his new bassist, Tim Skold, which is cool with me," John5 said. "I had a great run with Marilyn Manson. It was a lot of fun and it was a really great experience, but I've got a lot of other stuff going on. I'm busier now than I was on tour."

Since last year, John5 has spent many hours writing songs for various artists including Lisa Marie Presley and Avril Lavigne. He hooked up with Lavigne toward the end of sessions for her new album, Under My Skin, although none of his songs are on the LP. "We did a bunch of songs, and that was a lot of fun, but none of them made her record since I arrived at the 11th hour, and the album was almost done."

In addition to writing for others, John5 is forming a new band and has recorded a 12-song instrumental album, Vertigo, due this fall. He decided to record a solo album after a recent jam with 88-year-old blues-guitar legend Les Paul. "After we played, he said to me, 'You have got to do an instrumental album,' " John5 said. "To me, that was the greatest compliment in the world. The guy's a legend, and for him to say that is amazing."

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    Embryodead
    I always hated manson. except for the covers. those were good. John5 was they're 2nd greatest talent (1st of course being twiggy ramirez)
    To bad twiggy was a bassist not a guitarist.
    JimmyJackrabbit
    He hooked up with Lavigne toward the end of sessions for her new album, Under My Skin,
    NOOOOO OOOOO!!!!! !!!!! Well, at least they're not on the album, so it's not all bad.
    )Eric(Draven
    exactly why is he such a great guitarist? Last time i checked it was drop D and powerchords...
    nasty_santa409
    I always hated manson. except for the covers. those were good. John5 was they're 2nd greatest talent (1st of course being twiggy ramirez)
    bonman9856
    chaz man: I know it's not his real name but who puts a number in their stage name. Kind of stupid. uhh adam 12 from powerman 5000 duh!
    Encore_God
    Manson started writing new songs for a best-of album
    Well...that makes no sense at all...
    YA WHITE CRAP MANsOn, jhon kicks, instrumental soloin' gothik music maybe cool. and everybody does drugs and drink, so if jhon not, maybe he's a boring sissy, JAJAJA. he's a fu*ked up nerd
    Idiot.
    roo6339
    hahaha, that sounds kinda funny. the marylin manson guitarist working with avril lavigne... ahahahahaha...
    ensaepit
    I believe it. Manson can be a prick. Anyways, can't wait for that instrumental - he's a killer guitarist.
    Born2Riot
    Oh my ***ing god you actually like this dickhead maryiln manson ***in sucks and this John5 dude should by glad that he got fired so go *** yourself manson lol
    nirvana_93
    i think manson used 2 beat up john and thats y he left and twiggy was kicked out cause manson wanted 2 b da only 1 in da band wit black hair.
    not_falling
    He got his "manager" to fire him over the phone, that just goes to show what kind of person Manson is. That is crap.
    Tim_Skold_Sucks
    i think im glad John5 has left marilyn manson now he can do so much better now. manson should of told John5 him self that he woz fired instead of getting his manager to do it. Manson is a pussy
    gothina
    that isnt like manson,thre has to be sumthng more to this..though in the nov 2003 concert,manson was ignoring john5 through out the show,he was paying more attention to tim skold. oh well first twiggy now john whose next?
    dthmtlhd
    And in regards to him helping Avril: John was a session musician for a LONG time before joining Manson. Helping other musicians is what he did for a living. Same story with Josh Freese, Troy Van Leeuwen (who have both been on just about every cd in existance =P), and a whole host of other musicians that we all know and love.
    agreed. i mean his helping her out might not be for sure a bad thing. i mean that whole bands a bunch of lost poser punkers but with john 5 writing the stuff despite the singing the music might actually gain some balls and structure and stop being whiney poser punk...or it could go totally opposite and *** john 5 for life...
    No. He didn't make the band. Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner) made it
    mabey he is teh founder or whatever, but looking back manson used to be "marilyn manson and the spooky kids" until he became a one man stage show, so if u really want to look at it, MANSON WOULD BE NOWHERE IF IT WEREN'T FOR TEH SPOOKY KIDS. as soon as he fired off all the spooky kids you could tell no one in that band could ever get any big fans or else manson would fire them. that's what happened with john 5 and twiggy. just hope that ginger fish won't start doing 5 minute drum solo's on stage or m.w. gacy will do some crazy keyboard shit or they'll be fired too. tim skold's in teh clear because he's used to being a back bencher to teh big part of the show after working with latenight tv bands. just hope to god the new guitarist won't be as talented as john 5 because as soon as they get their own fans manson gives them the boot
    ramonesfan
    I respect John5 as a guitarist and all but after being with marilyn manson he goes and writes songs with avril...nice
    ensaepit
    Joe@Disturbed16 - No. He didn't make the band. Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner) made it, but John 5 has been their best guitarist and has lasted for 6 years. Oh well.
    MASTEROFNONE
    NOW manson has lost his backbone TWIGGY and Jofhn are gone well see what Mansons new material is like
    chaz man
    I know it's not his real name but who puts a number in their stage name. Kind of stupid.
    PaRaBoLaTooL420
    John5 is a good, talented guitarist. Marilyn Manson can be a dumbass a lot of the time, and I could see something like this really happening. It's alright though, because John has more talent in his pinky than Manson has in his whole ***in body.
    NiTrO_FrEeZiNg
    It's becoming a kind of trend... getting kicked out of your band and then helping Avril Lavigne write songs... Both Manson and John5 suck.
    Ace From Space
    Im good friends with Manson and this sounds nothing like him... if it is true then John5 must've done something real dumb.
    R@fa88offspring
    John5 and Avril? that's a good reason to kick him out of MM, and yes, helping lavigne is becoming a trend and a horrible and weird one :S so far she has taken 3 "musicians" from us, i have no respect for them anymore John5 Ben Moody (or something like that, the evanescence guy) and the guy from Gob i'm very disappointed on John5 and on Brian (MM), he's just too screwed up
    Abstract_Man
    'Maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with the fact that I don't drink or do drugs, and he's not like that at all.' What? Manson does drink and drugs?!
    vaportrail
    Well well well... How is this so hard to believe? He was overdue for being fired. Most Manson guitarists don't stay in the band for more than one album. Don't get me wrong John5 (John Lowery, for those of you that want to know), is a hell of a guitarist, but you have to expect to be fired when you join Manson's outfit. Doesn't matter though, as MasterOfNone so astutely noted, Manson has lost his backbone. And in regards to him helping Avril: John was a session musician for a LONG time before joining Manson. Helping other musicians is what he did for a living. Same story with Josh Freese, Troy Van Leeuwen (who have both been on just about every cd in existance =P), and a whole host of other musicians that we all know and love.
    clarkson101
    chaz man: I know it's not his real name but who puts a number in their stage name. Kind of stupid. [POSTED: 07 April 2004 - 11:11]|
    his name is probably taken from jonny number 5 from short circuit im guessing
    alienfingersCR
    YA WHITE CRAP MANsOn, jhon kicks, instrumental soloin' gothik music maybe cool. and everybody does drugs and drink, so if jhon not, maybe he's a boring sissy, JAJAJA. he's a fu*ked up nerd
    ziggy stardust
    He was given the "5" in his name by Manson because he was the 5th new member and i understand it has a religious meaning.
    systemrules
    what an intelligent thing to say alienfingersCR (thats sarcasm just so you know, im sure u wouldnt be able to figure it out on your own). everybody that doesnt do drugs and drink must be really boring people, and nerds. i cant believe someone would even say something so stupid. it boggles the mind you ***in idiot.