If You Rip Music For Free, You Tick 'I Don't Care If My Fave Band Dies' Box

Arch Enemy vocalist's message in the wake of the news that Roadrunner Records shuts down its European offices.

If You Rip Music For Free, You Tick 'I Don't Care If My Fave Band Dies' Box
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Arch Enemy vocalist Angela Gossow has issued the following message in the wake of the news that Roadrunner Records was shutting down its European offices, and that their CEO Cees Wessels was stepping down: "Metal fans stop buying music, they download it "for free". Labels don't make money with selling metal music anymore. Labels first cut down their offices and staff, then they will drop all the artists who don't sell CDs anymore. Metal bands are the first to go. It's a small niche compared to mainstream music. Bands have no label support anymore, thus won't get any tour support, so they cannot go out and build a live profile / make a name as a good live band anymore. The only real income for a band these days. This results in lack of touring offers in general. Many bands cannot survive on touring income anymore as they won't get any good offers. Especially the newer acts. Bands will stop touring, you will only be seeing the same old, big bands coming round (Metallica, Iron Maiden, etc.) but none of your fave smaller/underground acts or new acts, as they simply can not afford it. If bands can neither release their music nor go out and play live, they'll disband sooner or later due to lack of motivation and any sort of reward. The metal scene will lose a lot of innovative, exciting and diverse bands and many fans will never get to see their fave bands live. What a boring, corporate, streamlined future to look forward to. And it's all in your hands. Every time you rip music for free, you tick the "I don't care if my fave band will die" box in a way. Think about it. Twice." Thanks for the report to Bravewords.com.

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    WhoAMEye
    Punk_Kid wrote: This again. I download music because I don't want to take the risk of buying music I won't like. But then if I like the band, then I'll purchase the CD. It's called responsible piracy. You should try that sometimes people.
    A-Ha Avast with caution me hearties!
    mysticguitar77
    Lower prices for CD's and watch how many people will start buying CD's again. When you have an alternative that is offering music for free, $12+ for a CD looks ****ing ridiculous. Make those prices more appealing, like slashing them in half. People don't want to go into Best Buy or FYE and pick out 3 CD's and be down $40 when you leave the place, it's robbery. People are going to say, "well, it was always that much even before pirating", well, times have changed. The economy is shit, people don't have as much money extra to spend on entertainment such as music, the internet which allows people to find bands they probably would have never of heard of a decade and a half ago, and people have much wider tastes and that is thanks to the internet and pirating. The record companies want the best of both worlds. They want the internet for people to discover their bands, but they don't want people to get their music for free off the internet. Sorry, but you will never completely destroy pirating. You take down LimeWire, a dozen new file sharing and torrent sites will just pop up in it's place. You cannot do it without taking away constitutional rights, they're trying, but in the end it won't happen. They're fighting a losing battle, it's time to take a new approach and cutting prices in half is a good place to start. Might as well, they're losing so much money from people not buying CD's at $12+, and with more people buying with the cheaper prices, they'll at least break even. With trying to kill pirating and get bands to speak up and putting the guilt trip on fans, it's just a waste of time. Record companies can compete with pirating and at least stay afloat, but no, they want to completely abolish pirating so they get 100% of the profit all the while, killing themselves in the process.
    Soundservant
    GrungeHippie26 wrote: Dude if i was to buy every song for a dollar on Itunes, out of my 2000 songs guess how much money that is...and I would have more, i had memory. And no my music isn't stolen, I use a subscription service where i pay a monthly fee and get all the music i want. 15 dollars a month beats 2000 dollars...
    True. Realistically, free downloading lets us explore much more music and eventually go to the shows, buy merchandise and buy records of the bands who deserve it.
    kLeft
    C0FF1NCAS3 wrote: Flawed logic. If you support a band, then you ensure they get money from you. If you don't you rip their stuff off. For instance, I bought Slash's last cd twice and have seen him live multiple times. I also downloaded his album a week before it came out.
    Slash is kind of a poor example to show you support struggling acts by purchasing their stuff...
    Mack888
    It's all a mixed bag really. True, some people who do or have downloaded music for nothing have gone on to support bands they would otherwise not have gotten into, myself included. I've found myself downloading an album, enjoying it, then buying the hard copy from the artist. So i suppose you could argue that in a way it may help. Then again though, back in older time, 60s, 70s, 80s even, if you wanted to try something you had to buy it, you couldn't download it. So I suppose from that view, free, or illegal if you like, downloading has kinda ruined sales of albums cos we take a "try before you buy" stance on it nowadays. I think if artists wanted that, they'd do what bands like, for instance, Radiohead done with their album. Pay what you like. I'll admit I used to download EVERYTHING pretty much, but now I understand it a little more and have thought about it deeper, I think it probably does harm artists, to an extent. Up and coming artists far more. So I buy my music now. As far as this article is concerned, I think it's a sign of the times. Chart music is pretty much all that sells nowadays, and (most of the time) it's not what you do, but who you are, and what plays best on the radio, clubs etc. The things that sell are basically dictated by what we get thrust in our face, be it X Factor, songs on the radio etc...but that's a whole other story.
    Minivirus2
    Soundservant wrote: GrungeHippie26 wrote: Dude if i was to buy every song for a dollar on Itunes, out of my 2000 songs guess how much money that is...and I would have more, i had memory. And no my music isn't stolen, I use a subscription service where i pay a monthly fee and get all the music i want. 15 dollars a month beats 2000 dollars... True. Realistically, free downloading lets us explore much more music and eventually go to the shows, buy merchandise and buy records of the bands who deserve it.
    If the bands don't have the money to tour, how does one "go to the shows"? She's completely correct here and the illegal DLs will still come out in droves to support their entitlist lifestyle. you want to explore music for free? Use YouTube and then go buy the ****ING record! *Holds up newly purchased Ghost, Cancer Bats and Jack White CDs* ***holes of the 21st century thinking music isn't a valued commodity...
    GrungeHippie26
    Dude if i was to buy every song for a dollar on Itunes, out of my 2000 songs guess how much money that is...and I would have more, i had memory. And no my music isn't stolen, I use a subscription service where i pay a monthly fee and get all the music i want. 15 dollars a month beats 2000 dollars...
    cbabb7
    Sounds like someones worried people are gonna keep not comin to Arch Enemy concerts...
    robarge00
    Metal-pro wrote: Please give artist some respect. Ripping music is stealing!
    The labels need to give the artist some respect if they weren't such money hunger control freaks who needlessly inflates the cost of cd's maybe more people would by them. Sorry but I won't shed a tear when record executives lose their jobs.
    haygoe
    sykest70 wrote: haygoe wrote: Minivirus2 wrote: Soundservant wrote: GrungeHippie26 wrote: Dude if i was to buy every song for a dollar on Itunes, out of my 2000 songs guess how much money that is...and I would have more, i had memory. And no my music isn't stolen, I use a subscription service where i pay a monthly fee and get all the music i want. 15 dollars a month beats 2000 dollars... True. Realistically, free downloading lets us explore much more music and eventually go to the shows, buy merchandise and buy records of the bands who deserve it. If the bands don't have the money to tour, how does one "go to the shows"? She's completely correct here and the illegal DLs will still come out in droves to support their entitlist lifestyle. you want to explore music for free? Use YouTube and then go buy the ****ING record! *Holds up newly purchased Ghost, Cancer Bats and Jack White CDs* ***holes of the 21st century thinking music isn't a valued commodity... Yeah i love how people bitch about how much it cost to download a song its only 1 FUCKING DOLLAR Then you spend your money on it. I have 1300+ on my iTunes, and I paid for 0. I don't even listen to Arch Enemy, so they don't need to worry about me stealing their shit.
    You sir are a crook!!!
    Vypor
    Blah blah blah. In my opinion, this is BS. Sure, I agree. The system wont work as its been working - But lets admit - From the start it was a oiled machine that wasn't BUILT TO LAST. Its ridiculous to imply that underground bands wont tour anymore because they dont have the money. As a struggiling musican myself, I know that I will continue playing live performances and releasing my music without the help of a record label - despite my financial situation. Because playing music live is about the experience, not just for the audience, but for the band to - NOT the money. Money is always nice though.
    Minivirus2
    [quote]Punk_Kid wrote: This again. I download music because I don't want to take the risk of buying music I won't like.quote] I'd be curious to know how many of the people who say this, have full "classic" albums downloaded to their hard drives and actually own a physical copy as well. I'm guessing very few.
    kylepianoman
    Soundservant wrote: GrungeHippie26 wrote: Dude if i was to buy every song for a dollar on Itunes, out of my 2000 songs guess how much money that is...and I would have more, i had memory. And no my music isn't stolen, I use a subscription service where i pay a monthly fee and get all the music i want. 15 dollars a month beats 2000 dollars... True. Realistically, free downloading lets us explore much more music and eventually go to the shows, buy merchandise and buy records of the bands who deserve it.
    Then what about all the people who don't care enough to go to the shows? or those that do but don't buy merch? I download most of my music and only buy my favorite CD's but using this argument as a justification is flawed.
    Shread_6009
    Part of it is availability. I personally do not like digital music, and prefer CD's (sounds better, no compression=no loss). That said, most stores don't carry any of the music I like, leaving me with no choice but to go digital. and at that point, since I'm not getting the product I really want, I'm less inclined to WANT to pay, so I download a lot. I still support acts whenever I can, but I'm not gonna pretend like I don't "steal". Maybe if record labels offered to product I wanted, they'd have more of my money. But she does have a point, if bands don't sell a bit on the record side of things, people won't book them for live shows. And it's a shame, because I've seen bands like meshuggah, for example, play to thousands of kids per city, and they only sell like 5,000 records at a time. If people actually bought there stuff at the rates they see their shows, things might be better than they are.
    Simothesimo
    the only real way for bands to make money now is for them to sell out to sponsors. if they had money from album sales they wouldn't have to. arguably the greatest music ever made was made during a time when bands received millions of dollars from album sales. they didn't have to sell out to stay afloat.
    C0FF1NCAS3
    Flawed logic. If you support a band, then you ensure they get money from you. If you don't you rip their stuff off. For instance, I bought Slash's last cd twice and have seen him live multiple times. I also downloaded his album a week before it came out.
    robarge00
    The problem is the labels not illegal downloading, their the ones that need to die so the power can go back to the bands themselves.
    GuitarGuyNack
    Minivirus2 wrote: Soundservant wrote: GrungeHippie26 wrote: Dude if i was to buy every song for a dollar on Itunes, out of my 2000 songs guess how much money that is...and I would have more, i had memory. And no my music isn't stolen, I use a subscription service where i pay a monthly fee and get all the music i want. 15 dollars a month beats 2000 dollars... True. Realistically, free downloading lets us explore much more music and eventually go to the shows, buy merchandise and buy records of the bands who deserve it. If the bands don't have the money to tour, how does one "go to the shows"? She's completely correct here and the illegal DLs will still come out in droves to support their entitlist lifestyle. you want to explore music for free? Use YouTube and then go buy the ****ING record! *Holds up newly purchased Ghost, Cancer Bats and Jack White CDs* ***holes of the 21st century thinking music isn't a valued commodity...
    This exactly.Youtube exists so you can hear something to see if you like it.If you do then you buy the ****ing record and support the ****ing bands.To all the ****s who think stealing music is ok-When all the good bands stop putting out music because they can't afford to make music it will all be on you.
    intothe
    I check out albums on spotify and buy what I liked, seems fair to me.
    Punk_Kid
    This again. I download music because I don't want to take the risk of buying music I won't like. But then if I like the band, then I'll purchase the CD. It's called responsible piracy. You should try that sometimes people.
    telephonebear
    but we have the internet to stream whole albums and see if we like them before buying them
    swatspeedman
    @Gregray88 You clearly don't understand the money that goes into making an album. And what's to say you wouldn't download the music still if it was cheaper? I however buy an album, and if I can't find it then I download it until I come across it to buy. I much prefer the hard copy rather than this horrific excuse of an audio codec called 'MP3'.
    Dylan6998
    Is anybody going to talk about making music for the sake of music, like, at all? If you're a musician and you stop making music because you can't afford to do it anymore, then you were never a musician, you were a commodity, like a plumber . You provide a service for a fee rather than an artist allowing people to see their art. I can name at least 10-15 bands I like that put their record up for free on band camp or set it to a pay what you like system. These are bands that actually dont give a sh*t, they play small clubs for five people and they love every second of it. To me true artistry means not needing to make money or receive accolades for your work. Sure you can say, I want to be the richest violinist alive or I want to be the best drummer in the world. In which case youd most likely need monetary compensation or some kind of formal recognition to satisfy those needs. But to me, you CANNOT lump musicians into the same category as Lars Ulrich over a decade ago with Napster or Arch Enemy and their clear dissatisfaction with their craft when they arent being compensated for it. I know several of the bands that I like purposefully avoid all kinds of advertisement, unless its for one of their local shows. They just put out lo-fi records when they can, print t-shirts now and again and so forth. Now, whats the difference between those bands and Arch enemy? Nothing, except that Arch Enemy will I guess die if they dont get paid or something not sure. Ill use another example; one of my favorite bands is Mamaleek. Theyre a brother duo that makes amazing black metal in their basement. They dont play shows, they dont do interviews, nobody knows what they look like. Theyre almost anonymous save for the name of their band. These guys are true musicians. Their purpose in life is to make music, whether its in front of 5 people, 5,000 people, 5,000,000 people, or for each other alone in their basement, by themselves. Now, let me be clear, Im NOT saying that it is NOT ok for artists to try and make money off of their work, quite the opposite, making cds, printing shirts, studio time, equipment all of these things cost money and money is a necessary evil in this world if you WANT to reach a wider audience. My point is that not ALL musicians feel this way, and with the examples Ive just provided, one can never claim that simply pirating ones music correlates to an inevitable and inescapable death of their art. All of this anti-piracy nonsense is pushed by record companies because our generation were the ones that woke up and went, oh man I dont have to pay $20 for a record at target anymore? Or go to Narnia to find those original, non-re-released, frank zappa vinyl? I can google Stary Night right now via the internet, but Ill be damned if Vincent Van Gough gets a buck or two every time I google his art. You know what? He still painted too! For years and years surprisingly enough, because he didnt care. He got by enough to pat for fresh materials and thats about it. Believe it or not, he still found a way to enjoy his craft shocking!!! In conclusions, Arch Enemy cannot speak for the entire music making community. Music was around before it became an industry, it will be here long after the industry collapses due to lack of internet and lack of talent. Indie labels will reign supreme until corporate execs unplug their ears and listen to what people actually like, not what they can trick us into liking. Music was here before MTV demanded that you have an image to match your sound, and it will be here when the last music video is played before yet another Ridiculousness marathon. You want to pretend that business is an essential part of music? Fine, call it supply and demand. You have a product people are willing to pay for, they will pay for it. People feel that its not worth their money, they wont pay for it, or they will find a way to get it for free, its evolution baby. Some of us like to support the bands we like, some of us dont. Neither makes us thieves nor martyrs, because were all still fans at the end of the day. We appreciate the art, in whatever way we see fit. Thats the entirety of the enjoyment of art, we get to decide how we appreciate it. The second someone tells me I cannot see their art without paying for it, is the second I have to evaluate how important their art is to me, then I get to decide how I want to appreciate it, simple as that. Any band that gets upset for each and every album that gets downloaded for free really needs to evaluate what theyre art means to them and what theyre willing to do to make it either a profitable business or something else entirely.
    GameSkate
    This exactly.Youtube exists so you can hear something to see if you like it.
    So when I'm listening to music for free on YoutTube it's ok, but when I have downloaded MP3 files on my hard drive it's bad? For me there's no difference, so if you're against piracy, please punish all form of it or just shut up. PS. Yes, I'm buying music (20 CDs and 1 live DVD since last few last months), I also download them as well.
    Dreaminmusic
    anytime a radio station plays lil wayne they might as well be checking the "I dont care if the next generation of music listeners only likes radio rap and doesnt appreciate music." There are bigger crimes being committed by actual people involved in the music industry...not that im justifying my illegal downloading.
    mike1990
    It's not the music selling and making money that's the problem, we all know bands make close to nothing off album sales. Don't blame the fans 100%, blame the label and your promoter. If you can't get offers, have the promoter go out and book shows, thats their job, you dont have to wait around for offers, and the label should give the bands a certain amount of money to go out and tour. I dont get it though, a band who gives all their music away for free in this area, has done 2 cross country tours. They make NO MONEY at all, other than merchandise but yet can still get booked, if someone on no label can do that, why cant someone on a "major" label not?
    DZCunuck
    to the several other people defending labels: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2010071... 0186.shtml Getting signing bonuses and adverts/promotion from labels is like borrowing money from the mafia. Smaller labels like Roadrunner and Nuclear Blast might not be like this and might be a little bit more kind to the bands because its a case where the success of the label depends on the bands success a whole lot more. That being said, I haven't torrented any music in like 2 years now. If I want an album I go and by the CD. Same goes for games and anything else. I've just stopped torrenting in general. It's not like I have remarkably more money now than I did 2 years ago, but I did start to realize that I can't call myself a fan of a band if i don't by any of their music. Record companies may be the devil and all that but I would rather that a band I like gets some money (even if its an unfair cut) rather than no money at all. Those people who torrent because they "don't support the evil record companies' can keep telling themselves whatever makes them feel better, but really it's just theft.
    ruker
    Figures a hack from Arch Enemy would cry about this. Make better music for once, and a person might actually want to pay for it. I love the new breed of metal musicians though... barely anyone is in it for money because they know there is no money in metal. Just need some of these Euro-baby bands to die, and crying about money in metal will be a thing of the past.
    Maiden95
    SeveredMusic wrote: everybody that thinks its "ok" to download music for free is ****ing stupid. artists put so much money into their gear and records and everything hey do and there "fans" think its ok to steal the music they work so hard on. ITS STEALING, STOP MAKING UP EXCUSES TO JUSTIFY STEALING MUSIC. i buy every song i listen to, but since 99% of the population thinks its ok to steal music you guys can can kiss music good bye cuz no metal band will be able to support themselves and there will be no such think as a good metal concert anymore so thank you stupid ****ing bitches for ruining music by thinkin its cool to illegaly downloading music.
    This is my exact argument against illegal downloads. Thank you for making sense.
    Maestro1600
    Everytime you illegally download a song, a band dies. Unless we clap our hands really hard...
    Minivirus2
    Ok, I'm definitely not one to support corporate greed and I'm no fan of labels, but they're the neccessary evil of the music industry. A few points to elaborate upon what I just said: 1. Labels DO do something for the artist. They provide studio time, advertise their products, schedule them to tours and just get the bands name out into the public eye in general. 2. Those of you who are saying labels are evil and that they're the reason you won't pay for music. Do you feel any different about gas or food production companies? They all get their cut from producers and leave the little guy with peanuts. Are you about to start syphoning gas and stealing groceries, because you don't like the man taking his piece of the pie? I'd be incline to say no, because there's laws in place to stop you from doing so and it isn't readily available for the taking/for free. Where there's big business, there's people sitting with their feet kicked back, making money off of people for doing nothing. It's business and if you don't like it, you might as well go join the Occupy movement because the "greedy label" argument is the exact point they're trying to protest (while also conveniently using smartphones, computers, tablets, etc. produced by they very companies they're protesting).
    spiff-corgi
    I was going to start retorting but she really lays it out with factual statement after factual statement. It's one thing to say "oh I'll buy albums I really like after listening to them", which is what I do, but what she seems to be saying is that not enough people are actually BUYING the albums when they say they will. Props to this chick for laying out the facts. You can argue all you want but are you actually in their position to know what's going on or are you just guessing?
    pnkr0cker
    Sorry, but I have to say this. RIPPING is not illegal. Giving away digital copies is.
    monkey8911
    The problem is, that the musicians, who love music enough and have the balls to go for it cant make the money to survive. You can put it as you want, piracy is killing every musician, engineer, producer, studio, band manager etc. Its not just the musicians dying guys!!! Making music is a job you love and care about, I think its fair that people make a living of it. after all, they may have to feed a family and pay some bills. If the only thing you are good at is making music, how else should you make a living? you can take 2 crappy jobs, but that will take the time you would spend to make your music. The second point is, that as soon as the CD as a medium dies (and it will soon), legal downloads are going to be the main income for musicians. But Im afraid, that thats gonna be the point when even more people will consider illegal downloads, because you dont get a hard copy to hold in your hands on iTunes. The third point is, that the new generation, who should buy my music in 5-10 years is going to be even more careless about the whole thing. the kids nowadays really have a lack of discipline and respect for values and that is truly shocking. I just saw five 10 year old kids beating an other kid to the ground from the bus yesterday, I dont think those 5 will every want to pay for anything. except alcohol and drugs maybe.
    js81221
    It's despicable to see the kids on this site justify themselves saying, "Oh, well since I can download this shit for free, I'll like them and go to shows and buy merch." Oh really? When was the last time you out-of-the-blue downloaded a band without listening to their material on YouTube first? Therefore you would already decide if you like them or not. And when you download said artist, you'll listen and enjoy. "OHMYGAWD BUT MUSIC GETS AROUND BETTER AND MORE PEOPLE WILL COME." Yeah. But how much of a difference is that when you could spend a measly 5-15 bucks on a CD and play it for your friends on a stereo? That way RECORD COMPANIES, y'know, the people who fuel the band in the first place, can stay afloat, keeping the band itself ALIVE.
    dr-g0nz0
    I'm shocked at the amount of idiots on here that don't relise what free downloading is doing to the industry. Most people dismiss it as bands complaining because they want to make "a shit-ton of money", when in reality it is them stuggling to do things, such as touring, new records, etc. In a few decades, I doubt we'll have much of anything. So you can probably kiss your favourite band good-bye...unless of course it's U2.
    khakiapple
    Minivirus2 wrote: Are you about to start syphoning gas and stealing groceries, because you don't like the man taking his piece of the pie? I'd be incline to say no, because there's laws in place to stop you from doing so and it isn't readily available for the taking/for free.
    You've obviously never tried syphoning gas. pretty fun.
    Maestro1600
    troyofyort wrote: Her point about there being less bands because of lack of reward interests me. I think I would actually like it cos only truly good bands/ bands who cared about the music would stay, instead of shitty bands who do the same tired crap just for the perks(a little bit of money, girls, popularity).
    No, it's not just a lack of reward. It's a lack of a living in many cases. Unless you're one of the big boys, most bands get by on very little money. As sales slow down even more, more bands have to break up so the members can get 'real' jobs. It's an easy example, but Cobain was evicted at the end of recording Nevermind because he couldn't pay his rent. If that had happened sooner, Nirvana would've maybe had to break up and go their seperate ways. Whether you like Nevermind or not, it's an important album that could conceivably have not been made, or at least finished. Good music will usually come through, but sometimes bands have to learn their craft before making a classic album. What if they can't afford to keep going as a band through the early stages?
    Skuzzmo
    No point in making a plea to a downloaders conscience cos they'll have justified to themselves why they do what they and wont think twice... Whether it's right or wrong people will do it if they can.... Music business - adapt or die.
    Scourge441
    Angela's completely wrong about touring being the only real source of income for a band these days. For all the whining about piracy, it's worth noting that the total amount of money being pumped into the music industry has actually gone up over the past decade. Part of that is ticket sales, part of it is merchandise and streaming and synching royalties (from the use of songs in movies, TV, and commercials). I realize the market for Arch Enemy songs in TV shows is going to be limited, but there's still opportunities to take advantage of. Hell, if Arch Enemy need touring support, a band of their stature could probably get it through Kickstarter.
    SlashFan810
    I think ultimately the industry needs to be restructured in a way that satisfied the musicians' artistic and monetary needs. CD's wouldn't need to be so expensive if labels weren't run by companies who are at their core disconnected from the essence of the band itself. I think musician-controlled labels and alternatives to the corporate model are the way to go; maybe a revival in traditional consumption of music will occur when the musicians have more power and control over their own product.
    EnglishToolRage
    Sorry to sound like the biggest a-sshole around, - God knows I would love to make a living from rocking live and recording my own music, - but... What did bands used to do, before they thought they could make money from it..? - The early days Metallica, or Nirvana, or Pearl Jam, or Motorhead, or Black Sabath, or Pink Floyd... I know they would never have got as big without an industry to promote them, but did they really start playing with the thought "I want this to pay my living"? I thought they did this stuff on the side, because it was the only way they could express themselves in troubled times... - and people wantd to share that with them in their own way by seeing them rock/jam... I will never be able to compete with industry level bands (frankly I'm not that good anyway) but I still want to play my music in my spare time, and hope that the people around me vibe with my songs. Do we need an "industry"? Honestly?
    Rimfrost
    crazyflamey wrote: Rimfrost wrote on 04/29/2012 - 06:30 pm / quote | Noxkid457 wrote: I don't care if my favorite band dies. Music will never die as long as I, or any other musician is alive. I love music more than any band. But not enough to pay money for music? :p Entertainment is entertainment, money is secondary.. music is a hobby first.. a job later !
    But still a job nonetheless, and if its going to be a job then there need to be some money in it. I really dont mind that some people are capable of sustaining a good life by selling whatever they produce. As i see it art is worth money, it enriches my life and therefore im willing to pay for it. I just find it a bit sad if recorded music really doesnt hold any value to people, isnt 40 minutes of good music worth a few dollars?
    alexanderjames7
    "If bands can neither release their music nor go out and play live, they'll disband sooner or later due to lack of motivation and any sort of reward. " It's entirely possible to release music and play live without support from a big name label. And if they lose motivation because they weren't making money off of their music then i question their integrity as artists to begin with.