Insane Clown Posse Sue FBI

After the FBI labelled all their Juggalo fans as an official gang, the band have fought back with a lawsuit. Whatever you think of the band, it's a cause that deserves some support - read more about it here.

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The Insane Clown Posse have filed a lawsuit against the FBI for classifying their Juggalo fan base as a gang.

This means fans of the band are considered the equivalent of Bloods, Crip or the Aryan Brotherhood.

The effects of this label means that anyone arrested while wearing Insane Clown Posse merch, or displaying a tattoo of the band, will be charged as a gang member which can have serious implications on the type of punishment they receive.

Worse, there is a fear that real gangs who use violence will start to target their fans.

"The idea of calling the Juggalos and Juggalettes a "gang" is straight up bullsh-t," said the band on their website. "We are not a gang! We are a family! We come together for our luv of the Insane Clown Posse, Psychopathic Records, and our Juggalo pride".

They continued: "This is the first time in the history of rock-n-roll that any music fans have been labeled as a "gang" and that's probably because it makes no damn sense!"

Whatever you think of the rap outfit, it's a serious matter and their cause deserves some support in the name of music.

If you're an ICP fan who has been affected by the new gang affiliation, you can visit juggalosfightback.com for free legal help.

Watch their emotional plea to fans at their annual Gathering of the Juggalos in the video below.

What do you think of the new FBI policy? Will you be defending their cause? Share your view in the comments.

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    viaquez
    Charles Manson had a "family" ..... look how that ended
    dennis.1960
    Not into ICP but if this stands, why won't the Gov't start using this strategy to target fans of any band they decide is subversive/dangerous/anti-American/whatever? Isn't this a parallel to racial profiling? Sort of a "musical profiling"...crazy...reminds me of SOAD's, 'Prison Song', "The percentage of Americans in the prison system, has doubled since 1985".
    I.shower.naked
    Why would they even use the term 'rock n' roll'? They're no where close to that.... *major facepalm*
    Pagan_Poetry
    The FBI thinks these fans are a gang, ICP think they're rock n roll, we all make mistakes. ...Very, very big mistakes.
    ninfan200
    If juggalo's are gonna be considered a gang then I want beliebers to be considered a gang
    cncrbts101
    I am not a fan of ICP, but i support ICP on this. It's bullshit. Doesn't KISS have the KISS army? That sounds violent. For Christ sucks, LEAVE THEM ALONE.
    sunnyinphilly13
    yeahhhhh. riiiiight. it sounds violent. that doesn't mean it is violent. pretty sure i've never heard of the kiss army engaging in violent, gang like behavior. derp
    355333532
    In my experience, Juggalos act exactly like a gang. Call it a family if you want, but I grew up with the mother****ers.
    District
    Sounds ridiculous, but I suppose the FBI have a good reason for doing so? I mean, the FBI won't just do such a thing if there was no reason to, right?
    Samhuinn
    I've no personal experience with ICP fans, but I have heard many stories about the concerts and their afterermath being very violent. This band does not exactly come across as very intelligent, and never seem to balance out their aggressive lyrics with any common sense. Perhaps they may not be selling meth on streetcorners, but if they are spokepersons of aggression with a notoriously hostile fanbase, I see nothing wrong in the FBI's reasoning.
    Rocker3438
    Yeah perhaps they should cool it on all their hip lingo and profanity but how can you see this as right? They have no business being in the same sentence with Crips and all that bullshit. I personally went to an ICP concert a few years ago and there was no violence whatsoever. Sure seeing all these people in facepaint was kinda strange but everyone was friendly. You're a ****ing sheep. These guys are right in suing the FBI and I think they will win. It'll be overturned.
    charlesshai
    uh yeah, and thats why i dont listen to these dumba$$ed retards. they think they're gonna win the lawsuit? they'll be behind bars for inspiring so many young criminals
    iommi600
    lol, they're definitely "insane".
    Pagan_Poetry
    They're also definitely "clown"s But, according to them, they are by no means definitely a "posse". ICF just didn't have a nice ring to it.
    slaveskinJACKET
    Insane Clown Friends? I know you meant family, like he said, but I like Insane Clown Friends better. Sounds like a really weird kids show.
    charlesshai
    what family love? it was supposed to be a fan name/term. nowadays with more and more idiots listening to their music, they are pretty much gang members, high school drop outs, think smoking weed is the "best" thing in the world, always wanting to beat up somebody. if youre a juggalo, get a damn life and grow up.
    TombOfHorror
    All the hate and downvotes are flat out appalling. What about back in the day when you couldn't go to Cleveland with any Pitt. Steelers parapanalia? My uncle got beaten, HOSPITALIZED!!!! for getting out of his car (with Steelers bumper sticker), in Cleveland. Are Cleveland Browns fans a gang? Beating down a stranger for a logo sure sounds like gangbanger mentality to me. So WTF? I like ICP. I admit it. I'm not exactly a Juggalo, but I like their crazy, demented wicked shit. They have a lot of horror-themed stuff. And by typing that out, I'm going to get downvotes and nasty replies on here. So ****ing what. I'm 100% geek, 0% gangbanger. If I'm wearing a hatchetman tshirt, that doesn't automatically change.
    Alcofuel
    Actually, no the Cleveland Browns fans would not be considered a gang because this is a different situation. Juggalos being called a gang has nothing to do with ICP. It has to do with groups of Juggalos going by a name and uniform and continually taking part in criminal activity. Not just a one time thing, and in your scenario it was just some retards who take sports too seriously. Unless those Browns fans were calling themselves The Browns and continually taking part in criminal activity, they would not be considered a gang.
    TombOfHorror
    And BTW I shold mention... I left my hometown about 2 years ago because of the gang crap spreading. None of that gang crap had anything to do with ICP, Pyschopathic, Hatchetman or anything. There were a fair amount of Juggalos, and not all of them upstanding citizens, I'll concede. But there weren't Juggalo gangs or anything. (sorry for the double post, but this is %$#%ing me off)
    Spitshine610
    I've studied Juggalos for a while. For the most part, their all pretty harmless. Sure they're pretty white trash and gross, but that has hardly anything to do with the music of ICP. I personally don't think you should put them on the same level as M13 or the Crips. Those are real gangs that's done real harm to communities.
    Sn4zzle
    Lol, I wonder how many juggalos at my school are going to not be around anymore because of this.
    Alcofuel
    Okay first I want to mention, they are not classified as a gang. They are classified as a Hybrid Gang. It's a different status. It means they recognize that not every juggalo takes part in criminal activity, but they have to keep watch because plenty of groups running around calling themselves juggalos ARE partaking in that activity and it's not just a trend in a single area. Many motorcycle clubs get viewed the same way, because not every member partakes in one percenter activity but enough do that it needs to be documented. There is nothing wrong with the FBI doing this. They're documenting the fact that there are groups of people who partake in criminal activity and have a specific look and name. That's sort of what a gang is. This is their job.
    mrwiseguy08
    Anyone whom agrees that juggalos should be considered a gang are quite simply the quintessence of ignorance itself, especially if one has no association with anyone who claims to be a juggalo. Being a juggalo is about family love, it's about a love of clowning around, wearing face paint, spraying each other down with faygo and having an all around good time. Their lyrics promote God, and the only lyrics they have that promote agression specifically target the rich man whom opress the poor people, a sort of robin hood stance. Anyone who claims to be a juggalo and commits random crimes and acts of violence that don't target corrupt politicians or other wealthy figures whom steal from the poor and enslave us are posers with no real juggalo affiliation. We are not an aggressive people. We are generous and full of love to the point at which we call each other FAMILY. The only reason the government has labled us as gang members is because we are a group of the most intelligent people in the country and we are able to see the injustice and oppression that the government is putting it's people through. They have labled us a gang simply because they are afraid that we are intelligent enough to start a revolution and end the corrupt politicians oppressian of and profit from the poor people of our nation whom pay taxes. this is absolutely ridiculous and is the same as me declaring that you are in a gang because you listen to ACDC and they have a song called dynamite so obviously you will wish to blow things up after listeneng to their music.
    Pagan_Poetry
    Don't forget the Fucking rainbows after it rains. Anybody who claims they can understand how that works is clearly lying.
    kozmo4200
    So the song toxic love is implying to be a family by ****ing toxic sludge barrels? I gave icp a try and it is all pointless shit. Those morons rap like "tough" teenagers.
    shwepper
    Soo... What would their colours be? If it's red, white and blue, then yeah, those other three gangs are gonna **** 'em up, not to mention the American military.
    Alcofuel
    Gang clothing is not based entirely on colours. Some gangs don't even have a gang colour. You also have logos/symbols and the WAY they wear their clothes.
    Alcofuel
    Also I want to say by stating that some don't even have a colour, I want to be clear that I mean literal colours. "Colours" is sometimes just used to refer to gang uniform. Not necessarily green, red, blue, etc.
    chestercheetah
    i ****ing hope they get rid of them, my towns infested with jugahoes. They're all tweakers too. **** em.
    bonekrusha27
    F you, you fat rednecks. Don't ever put your trailer trash, Jerry Springer posse in the same sentence as NWA again. Juggalos smell worse than hippies.
    cncrbts101
    Yeah also any Juggalos I have ever met wouldn't hurt a fly. Yes they smoke weed, but its become so de-criminalized what's the issue. I mean I love Glassjaw have a tattoo of their logo, does that mean if I meet up with another kid with the same Glassjaw logo were a gang? ICP created something that most people could not. I have a lot of respect for them and I hope they really do something soon about this FBI bullshit! Also be nice if they changed their music, but that's a different story.
    Alcofuel
    Your anecdotes about nice Juggalos do not mean that there are not groups of people going by the Juggalo name and wearing the same style of clothes, and partaking continuously in criminal behavior. That is what this is about. It has absolutely nothing to do with ICP or their fans. It has to do with an observation of people meeting gang criteria. They classified it as a HYBRID GANG (different status than a gang, derp) because they recognize that not everyone who calls themselves a Juggalo is like that.
    Rocker3438
    Say what you want about their gimmick and their music but all opinion aside, this is bullshit. And it's not gonna fly. Why don't they go investigate Operation Fast and Furious instead of ****ing around with a bunch of clowns? To all of you who think this is right, you're clueless. This will snowball if not taken care of.
    Alcofuel
    It is right though. This isn't about ICP or their music. It's about groups of people going by a certain name, having a specific look, and continuously taking part in criminal activity. The FBI and gang task forces have to document that. It's their job. Also the FBI and other organizations investigate more than one thing at a time. It's not like they've put everything on hold to investigate this and this alone. Juggalos should really also stop ignoring the fact the FBI classified them as a hybrid gang, and not an all out gang. So they recognize they aren't all Juggalos in the rising gang sense. That's a very different status than what the bloods, ayrian brotherhood, ms-13, or numerous motorcycle clubs get.
    Maddi_kayy
    They ARE a gang. Do you have ANY idea how many fights have broken out because of them.? In my town alone there has been blood shed between the "Juggalos" and the "Rednecks" and it's a shame. I would also like to touch base on their term of "rock-and-roll." I think the best thing to say is... My mom always told me not to laugh at stupid people. I feel that applies here as well.
    brannonbuckley
    I fully support the FBI on this one. Juggalos (at least where I'm from) are on average more violent and take part in more illegal activities than some of the real gangs. Plus, I'm deathly afraid of clowns.
    C8PT81N
    ICP may not think their fans are "violent" but they only see them on showdates for a few hours. People are different throughout the week, who knows, maybe there is a group tyrannizing as the Juggalo gang. Most of the ICP fans i've met, however, have been really awesome people, or troubled youngsters that find solace in music. i wear blue, but i'm not a crip. i wear red, but i'm not a blood, i'm white but not an aryan brother. your actions disply who you really are, not the things you wear.
    brnbasler
    As far as Juggalos as a gang? Yes and no. Songs like halls of illusion have lyrical themes like domestic violence and drug addiction, but rather than addressing positive solutions to these ills, violence is always presented as the answer. I can listen to a song like that and read between the lines, but there are far more naive and impressionable people in the world who do not. Another example is the song Hocus Pocus. It has lyrics about ICP being tagged across the train tracks. I am sure that happened, and ICP was flattered and decided to use it in their lyrics, but others have chosen to emulate that(In the FBI report, graffiti is indicated.) I am sure ICP mean well, but I do not think they know what they have wrought. I have to agree with the FBI on this one.
    countervail
    First time music fans have been classified as a gang? What about straight edge? Maybe it doesn't count.. I dunno.
    Zeppfan69
    I live in Canada and we don't have that problem here, but one of my best friends he works at Parliament Hill in Ottawa, and he has an ICP tattoo on his shoulder, does that make him a gang member? seeing as he works for the government
    Alcofuel
    There have been cases in which gang members have achieved government positions. Your friend is not part of one of the Juggalo groups the FBI's classification would apply to though. Even though you're in Canada anyway so w/e
    sacredsanity08
    I'm not a fan but most of my friends are. I've met so many Juggalos and it blows my mind that the FBI considers ICP's fanbase as a gang. Mind you, I understand that there are some Juggalos who are as far as you can get from respectable citizens, but the majority of them are not like that. They are mostly caring tax-paying hard working individuals. It kills me to think that my best friend, the most loving caring morally conscious person I know, could be punished for wearing his ICP shirt.
    TombOfHorror
    Ditto. A friend of mine: Happily married for almost 9 years, 2 kids (3rd on the way), works for the government as a computer progammer. He's got Juggalo tattoos on this upper arms, chest and legs (hidden during work hours as per their dress code). On his off hours he wears Juggalo hats, shirts and whatnot. If he gets, for example, a speeding ticket and the officer cites him as gang-related because of any Juggalo clothing or tats, he loses his job. That's why this pisses me of so much.
    ToxXicSixString
    I did not even know I.C.P had enough fans to be labeled as a gang.Ha go figure. Lets make songs about murder, death, Rape, and gang activity and then cry like little bitches when what we caused happens.
    Ronald-Raygun
    Insane Clown Posse? I thought it sounded lame when I was 12...I don't even know what to think now.
    Zep08
    Oh and the Monkees fanbase were labeled as a gang were they not? So do your research ICP
    Zep08
    I used to roll with Juggalo's in high school, sort of the KISS army fanatics of our time in a tiny way I suppose. A LOT of the people I was friends with were gang related, they sold drugs and even weapons at some points. By far one of the worst organized groups of all time though haha, most likely due to the fact it's just "Shock Rap" and most don't take it that far. I can't say that after going to the Gathering in 2010 that there's much positive about the whole scene, lots of public nudity (not a big deal but there's quite a few obvious underage kids there) heroin and meth, and people violating women whether they wanted it or not.....
    BillR87
    Im not a fan of this kinda music but last time I checked a definition of a gang was a large collection of people who partake in organised crime and make a business of it these days any group of kids can get together wearing the same shit and hang out in the streets threatening innocent civilians and call themselves a ****ing gang?!!! The real gangsters of the 1920s and 1930s and beyond would ****ing laugh at them!! So what if there gigs get violent so do a million other ****ing gigs despite the genre it happens but people have totally forgotten the true meaning of gangs its fuking rediculous.
    Alcofuel
    No I'm sure that the 20s - 30s mobsters would view street gangs as either a threat or an asset and act accordingly. It's not like street gangs didn't exist back then either. I don't think you know enough about this type of thing to be speaking on it.