Korn: 'We Were Dubstep Before Dubstep'

Jonathan Davis says his band invented dubstep long before the likes of new Korn collaborators Skrillex and Noisia.

Korn: 'We Were Dubstep Before Dubstep'
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Jonathan Davis says his band invented dubstep long before it became a staple of club music. "We were dubstep before there was dubstep," Davis told Billboard. "Tempos at 140 with half-time drums, huge bassed-out riffs. We used to bring out 120 subwoofers and line them across the whole front of the stage, 60 subs per side. We were all about the bass." He makes to comments after his band which found its fame through nu-metal has turned its hand to dubstep, a genre that has caught the attention of young music fans just as nu-metal did in the 90s. "Probably the most active young audience out there is the dubstep audience, just as Korn's was when they first came on the scene," says Peter Katsis, who has managed the band since their 1994 debut. "There's a reason why they're attracted to each other; why a guy like Skrillex went from [singing lead in a hardcore] band like From First To Last to doing what he's doing [today]." "These kids are onto something completely innovative and new," Davis says. "It's pure and awesome and underground and heavy and different, not like stale metal and rock'n'roll. I love them all, but the old-school metalheads are not open to change." Davis' theory might not ring proud through the UG comment section, but it's a fair observation; metal was itself a cutting edge genre, and now a new generation inspired by metal is upping the noise game with other worldly computer generated sound. But should dance and rock music stay separate, or will music fans find a happy medium between the two? Davis thinks the latter. "It's really cool to see glow sticks at the show, to see dance music culture infiltrating and becoming one with the metal community," he says. "At the last show, there was one mosh pit where they were moshing, and another with kids doing glow stick tricks. They were taking turns and sh-t. I think we've opened up a new style that both sides are happy with." "The Path Of Totality" launches on December 2, and features collaborations with electronic artists including Skrillex and Noisia.

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    Blackmore991
    a few months later... Korn starts playing jazz. Korn: "We love how people think jazz has its roots with the african-american tradition. WRONG! Jazz was something we invented while stoned during a tour."
    GuilT
    I hate how this punk continually stereotypes metalheads. Those "metalheads" put Korn on the map. This guy needs to show some love for the hard core fanbase which is metalheads. Is that what's going on at Korn shows these days, glow stick tricks? Maybe I'll go to their show and bring my glow-the-dark yo-yo and take turns with people moshing to show them up with my yo-yo tricks.
    Lion_Slicer
    1. I actually see what he's saying about being dubstep before dubstep. He's saying that Korn and dubstep share a lot of the same elements even before this dubstep obsession, even if he may show a somewhat shallow understanding of the genre. 2. Why do they keep dissing people who like metal? Dubstep is not as earth-shattering as they're making it out to be, and they're acting like there is no innovation in metal anymore... I've said this before, but metal is better than ever. I don't know what he's listening to, but it's not my metal. I guess if by "old-school" you are referring specifically only to metalheads who hate change, then yes, old-school metalheads hate change, but only by your own biased definition. 3. Why do people think that metal and dubstep are similar? I love a huge variety of music, and metal is only one awesome corner of that, but I do not get dubstep. Everyone is like "dude, give it a try, it's like the metal of electronic music!" No, no it's not. I have given it a try, and allowed many friends to show me what "real" dubstep is in an effort to better understand it. It remains the only type of music to trigger my gag reflex. I'm not trying to put down people who do like it, but it is just not for me.
    Sparda93
    Fuck you, Jonathan Davis.."These kids are onto something completely innovative and new," Davis says. "It's pure and awesome and underground and heavy and different, not like stale metal and rock'n'roll. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!?! Also, if KoRn invented Dubstep, how is it new and innovative?
    SkepsisMetal
    Oh and Limp Bizkit were dubstep too were they? And SOAD? What about POD? No wait, yeah that's right...you were nu metal. And you didn't invent it either, you were just one of the forerunners.
    Maxico
    Davis, you are wrong. I have a subwoofer. I invented dubstep.
    peachesenregali
    "It's pure and awesome and underground and heavy and different, not like stale metal and rock'n'roll. I love them all, but the old-school metalheads are not open to change." Dubstep is the most immensely trite music I have ever heard. Im from Manchester,England. EVERYONE is a dubstep fan, dubstep is THE hipster music of the modern era. Never used to mind it (went to many a dubstep night myself) however, everyone with a computer considers themselves dubstep musicians nowadays...dubstep is stale.
    BigMikeBDD
    Lost all respect for Korn....they used to be awesome and now I can't take it anymore.
    adh925
    invented dubstep? riiight...so artists like skream and benga just jumped on the badwagon...what a tool!
    Gibson1983
    I invented pizza long before pizza. You see, pizza has tomato topping. In my days, I used to bring 120 tomatoes to the kitchen, I mean, I was all about tomatoes. Q.E.D.
    peachesenregali
    monobrow7 wrote: Korn and dubstep isnt even considered music, music is melody harmony, and rhythm which they use very little if not at all. This dubstep shit is random noise no thought of acctual music concepts and forumlas like no scales no chord progressions not even ****ing arppegios this new generation of muisc and kids are just trash nothing exciting no talent or dedication.
    Music is noise crafted in an artistic fashion, what you have just said is actually the most stupid comment I have ever read on this website, which is really saying something. I hope this is the last post. Say no more.
    )v(egaFan90
    "We were dubstep before there was dubstep,"
    Oh yeah...well....well....I was metal before there was metal. I don't see the logic in bashing half your fan base. Go ahead and branch out into dubstep, I don't care, but don't bash the people who gave you success by paying for your albums.
    strat0blaster
    GuilT wrote: I hate how this punk continually stereotypes metalheads. Those "metalheads" put Korn on the map. This guy needs to show some love for the hard core fanbase which is metalheads.
    Really? Because all I ever recall about those metalheads is their constant trashing of Korn for not soloing, and tuning down so low, and putting too much groove into metal, and not playing fast enough, and not headbanging on stage, and not knowing how to play their instruments, etc, etc, so on and so on. I don't know what planet that fairy tale BS you just said comes from, but really, don't get up on a soapbox to preach and pontificate if you can't say something legitimate. I'm stoked for this album, and I'm a fan of both genres of music and Korn, but really? Saying Korn invented Dubstep, or were even doing it? No. You had a lot of low range, but that's not what defines dubstep.
    Iommianity
    I like how easy is it is to pigeon hole metalheads in place of a real argument. If you're going to make a claim that metal is stale, you don't help yourself by listening to stale artists and using them as your reference point. I think someone listed Rob Zombie and RATM as metal bands they still listen to. If you're stuck in a certain mindset, how can you possibly confuse that as a sign of how the genre is doing? A lot of 'metalheads' I know listen to plenty of different types of music, especially if they're also musicians. I have no idea why people complain about this outdated stereotype of an 80s metalhead with a denim vest hating on anything that's not metal; this is 2011 ffs. The genre is stagnant? No, it's not. If you think Korn mixing dubstep with their music is genre defying in any way, you should take the time to explore metal. Bands have been incorporating jazz, gothic music, electronic elements, classical, ambient music, hardcore, and everything between since the late 80s and all through the 90s to today. Mixing outside influences isn't about watering down your style with the most base aspects of other genres to get some kind of heavy pop hybrid or something. All Korn are doing is trading one fad for another. They wouldn't be pissing as many people off if they embraced dubstep and actually did something with it.
    Ghefly
    Skrillex didn't invent dubstep. It was invented by DJs in the South London clubbing scene, not some wussy little screamo scene kid.
    Basti95
    The title is quite misleading. Even though Korn didn't exactly invent bass as they seem to think, Katsis said some interesting stuff in this article, maybe you should read it before bitching?
    spacegirl5
    I'll admit I like the dubstep stuff Korn is coming out with right now. I think it sounds really good, although I'm not about to become a hardcore fan of dubstep in general. I think it's an interesting project and I wouldn't mind hearing a full album, but if every metal band started doing dubstep records...that is another story.
    fede01_8
    I love them all, but the old-school metalheads are not open to change
    bingo!
    lVlaniac
    Bootsy Collins is also all about bass but i dont see him claiming to invent dubstep. Korn, please i like your music, you dont need to keep making shit up.
    mysticguitar77
    I listened to the new album... it's not that great. In the similar reign of their last two albums, 2-3 decent songs, the rest is forgettable. It sounds like the Untitled album with dubstep behind it, that's all The Path Of Totality is really. Also, JD talking about "stale metal" made me chuckle.
    pokerhappy
    For a minute I thought this was Ultimate Guitar taking him out of context like they do with every band, but then I realized this was Korn.
    CV334
    Yo dawg I herd you like wub so we put wub in yo wub so you can wub while yo wub.
    AsOneIStand
    Been sporting the black leather jacket and denim vest for a long time and I love the hell outta me some Maiden and Priest, and I also love today's metal scene. Hell, I think Nu Metal as you call it was a breath of fresh air for metal. The least that can really be said was that it opened up the airwaves for metal again. To hate on Nu Metal is ridiculous. Because if I remember, it was the God Rob Halford himself who said that bands like Korn and Manson put metal back where it needed to be. Not instrumentally, but it put it back to being evil and scary and well, you know, METAL. Oh and I also remember Ozzy clearly validating Godsmack several times, who also was considered to be Nu Metal. But me, being the music lover that I am has to say that metal elitism is bullshit. It is close minded to say the least. I myself happen to like some R&B on occasion and some good ol' Red Hot Chili Peppers. Now... I don't particularly care for dubsteb. But there are others that do and if they take away a rewarding experience from listening to it, good for them. They have every right to like it. Jon was correct in saying that metalheads do not like change. And here's my reasoning. If you like anything but metal, you are not a metalhead. You are a lover of many kinds of music, and that, IMO is much better than being confined to one genre and it's subsidiaries. I love the hell outta metal, but I'm no metalhead. I like to think of myself as a music lover. And if you think I'm a sellout for loving anything but metal, all I have to say is I feel sorry for you, and I hope one day you'll open your eyes to all kinds of music. Thank you and good-****in'-bye.
    J0HNNYBR4V04756
    I can get going with dubstep, not gonna hate, i wouldn't mind hearing it, but once again, calling old metal heads not open to change and calling it stale? I don't like that
    archangels
    GuilT wrote: I hate how this punk continually stereotypes metalheads. Those "metalheads" put Korn on the map. This guy needs to show some love for the hard core fanbase which is metalheads.
    Uhh... If I remember correctly, it was the metalheads who were calling Korn garbage and wouldn't even consider them metal. Also, I'm not gonna lie, I completely agree with the accusation of metal being stale. That's not to say that Korn isn't stale and boring, but he's definitely right. Metalheads don't like anything that's not tr00 metal.
    fede01_8
    RoboHendrix wrote: Translation : Korn: 'We Were Shit Before Shit'
    lol, that's exactly what i was going to write
    samhell
    monobrow7 wrote: Korn and dubstep isnt even considered music, music is melody harmony, and rhythm which they use very little if not at all. This dubstep shit is random noise no thought of acctual music concepts and forumlas like no scales no chord progressions not even ****ing arppegios this new generation of muisc and kids are just trash nothing exciting no talent or dedication.
    You tell em' Yngwie Beefoven
    Carl21221
    They say they used to be dubstep? What made them change their sound then? They were either sell-outs that changed their sound for the fans and not themselves, or they are lieing about being a dubstep band first. Either way I have lost the little respect I had for KoRn.
    Camron62\m/
    cambo187 wrote: Glowsticks?? Really?? I thought that faded out in the 90s along with raves. Definitely one of the dumbest fads of my generation. Too bad it sounds like it's carrying over into the next.
    nope. still around. techno is probably bigger than ever. but dubstep is shit compared to techno. EVEN THOUGH IT SOUNDS COOL. anyone can do it. i have a friend who is the biggest deadmau5 and daft punk fan in the world. 95% of the time he listens to techno. he hates dubstep with a passion. he makes his own music and once he let off a huge fart into a microphone and remixed it, added a beat and it sounded like dubstep. lmao. that's all dubstep is. bass, noise, sirens and edited farts. basically.
    connahd
    I'm a fan of both Metal and Dubstep and I'm certain that korn had about as much to do with Dubstep as they did with the shit I took this morning. Just because these mateys like their bass real loud doesn't make them the creaters/innovators/masterminds or whatever of Dubstep. By all means change the direction of the music you're making, thats up them and no one can stop 'em. But you can't just waltz in and say you started it. Rediculous. Dubstep started in south London in the late 90's not in Jonathan Davis' garage in California. And then to top it all off he goes and knocks the entire "stale metal and rock 'n' roll" scene that him and his band have been more than happy to sit in for the last 15+ years. Bloody joker