Megadeth Blame Pirates for Poor 'Super Collider' Sales

They say the entire music industry is down, but recent industry figures suggest it's higher than when their last album was released.

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Megadeth say their new album "Super Collider" has sold less than their previous album "Th1rt3en" because the whole industry is suffering the effects of music pirates - despite recent figures that show the global and US music industries are growing.

Some fans have criticised Megadeth's new album, but their live shows remain as popular as ever according to drummer Shawn Drover.

"We are certainly thrilled to have a #6 record on Billboard in America and #4 in Canada, but sales are way down for the entire music industry right across the board, which is a real drag," he told Blabbermouth. "Internet piracy, torrent sites and all that are the reason why. Concert attendance for us is still great around the world, so we are definitely happy about that."

When asked about frontman Dave Mustaine's controversial political opinions, Drover suggests he's rather see modern bands keep these kind of views private: "I would rather just let the music do the talking and keep whatever my beliefs are to myself. I always admired Led Zeppelin's mystique they had back in the day and wished more bands would go back to that."

Do you think music pirates have caused lower album sales for Megadeth, or could it be that early album samples put some buyers off? Let us know what you think in the comments.

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    rolandroi
    It's also true that a large portion of skeptical consumers pirate it first and later buy a legit copy... if it's worth it.
    J.Berzerker
    So very true. I heard it, concluded it sucked big giant metal balls, and didn't buy it. If we test drive a car before buying it, what's wrong with listening to a recording before buying it?
    Cardbored
    Well to be fair once you pirate an album it's yours to keep. Not that I'm taking any sides, just wanted to say that.
    metallicmud
    Yes and if my mate could burn me a copy of his GT would I say no thanks? Of course not. I'd drive it.
    ryanbwags
    So why not steal a car and see if you like it before you buy one? Oh, because you will already have the car. Most digital sites like Amazon and Rhapsody let you hear snippets of the songs before you buy them. Can't speak for iTunes personally. Never used it.
    Davey_meister
    Because its a bit easier to steal music off of the internet by clicking a button then say, ya know, stealing a car....
    qrEE
    1.Famous bands don't even need record sales anymore. They can live off of tour money for the rest of their lives, even if they retired right now. 2.I listened to an album that is one of my favorite albums ever, by a band that not very many people listen to. Then I went and bought it. So am I stealing from them? Don't think of it as stealing a car and then buying another car, think of it as borrowing someone else's car and then deciding you want to buy one of your own. 3. People get RIPPED OFF when it comes to music sales, so even if you steal it, they're probably getting the same amount of money anyways. Except rich bands, which, again, don't need the money.
    damillion
    No, people don't get ripped off when it comes to music sales. Most people don't have any idea how much it costs to record a professional record anyway. Renting a studio costs hundereds of euros a day, hiring a producer costs hundereds a day. Artwork, distribution, commercials? It all costs money. At the end of the day the avarage professional album must cost at least 20K to make if you think about it, and paying 15 dollars including taxes for an album can't then be concidered a ripoff imo.
    broken ipod
    You are so ignorant. Stealing is stealing, stop trying to put it any differently because you are too pathetic to actually buy the record. Also, those artists who are getting RIPPED OFF, are going to be in even worse trouble with their "unfair" contracts when you steal the record. Then the band will be dropped from the record company due to not paying off the record advance and releasing farther records will be hard. I also must say that when people say they pirate as a way to decide whether or not to buy the album, why don't they just use youtube.
    jimmyd2995
    Out of curiosity, I wouldve bought a legit copy too see how it sounded, If i didn't download it first lol. hut yea definatly not paying for that one.
    dewitt
    I didn't pirate anything. I listened to it completely legally on Spotify (and probably earned them a few cents along the way). I didn't break a single law to find out that this album wasn't worth the time it took to listen to, let alone pay to keep it. I think that, due to the quality of the material of this particular album (or the lack of quality, I should say), legal streaming was a very poor decision, and that hurt their sales as much as anything.
    UniformRecon
    Yeah, I did that with the Queens of the Stone Age record. Downloaded it, then I ordered the Deluxe Edition vinyl.
    xevious1
    If only we could do that with every product, steal it, then if we feel its worth it pay for it later. Its like renting for free, no obligation or risk to the consumer, total monetary risk to the producer.
    maowcat
    Don't worry dave, i'll never pirate your CD's, or buy em muhahahahahahahaha.
    karlis.arajs
    Well, ever since spotify has entered Latvia, I haven't torrented any music, so yeah, there is that
    roarinflames
    still no have potato?
    KingV911
    In general, streaming and pirating ARE hurting sales dramatically. Obviously they would sell more if having the actual CD was the only way to hear it. I think in this case, though, a lot of fans heard tracks pre-release or streamed on Spotify or something and deemed the album unworthy of purchase. I am included in that group. On Drover's other topic: I totally agree. The mystique of bands is gone. Now they share what they're having for breakfast or that they're having a Starbucks coffee on Twitter every five seconds. There's no magic anymore.
    TheHydra
    Ghost still maintains some of that mysterious quality, I think.
    tragicwings
    Well for Ghost, it's the other way around. Too much mystery, we don't even know their names or faces!
    joni.tenkanen.5
    To be honest, the album is not what Megadeth used to be. I'm not saying it's bad but I can see why some ppl wont buy it
    crazysam23_Atax
    THAT is the main criticism. It's like how a lot of people bash "Risk". They want a classic Megadeth album. Unfortunately, if this band just catered solely to their fans, then people would be pissed off because it'd be "Rust In Peace" 2.0 but worse. Let's be honest here.
    juzza1
    I'd buy "Rust In Peace 2.0"!! You could be on to something crazysam
    IrishConnor1994
    Ticket sales are high, and that's because they play the thrashier songs that appeal to most Megadeth fans. If Super Collider was a thrash record, a lot more Megadeth fans would have bought it.
    dewitt
    I personally wouldn't care how thrashy it is or not. Bad material is bad material. If this album would have had faster music, that wouldn't have automatically made it a good record.
    link55588
    if pirating is SO BAD, then how did QOTSA manage to almost sell 100,000 copies their first week? huh Dave?
    Maiden95
    Yeah, as much as I enjoy Megadeth, look at the albums that have come out in the past month or so.. Black Sabbath, Alice In Chains, Queens, **** even Daft Punk. They are selling really well, much better than megadeth's record, if for no other reason than it just isn't as good.
    bauhaus96
    And tomorrow, Dave is going to be quoted saying 'I DON'T WRITE SHIT SONGS!! OBAMA IS CLEARLY SABOTAGING THE ALBUM SALES, COMMIE BASTARD!!!!!111!!!'
    Mithaearon
    OOh illegal downloads, when I read the headline I kind of hoped it was Black Beards fault.
    Abacus11
    "Supercollider" is just a very weak album. I love Megadeth but every few albums they lay an egg. That's why it isn't selling. I'll still look forward to the next one but for now I'll stick to "Rust In Peace" and earlier if I want to listen to some Megadeth.
    EyesWideOpen
    Where's the guys comment?
    edgeyyz
    I'm assuming he said something along the lines of "It would have done better if it didn't suck." I wish UG would stop deleting comments.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Actually, it seems like he was advocating piracy, if you look at the few comments immediately below it. And that's why it was removed.
    Yax
    No, he just basically said it sucked. I remember reading it.
    Pit_
    LOL If it wasn't for pirates their album would be triple platinum by now.
    Mouloudo
    say that to Adele... I dont like her, but she obviously sold big time, so that theory about piracy is garbage,until bands like Tallica or Megadeth release another black album or countdown to extinction, and keep releasing half assed self sufficient EP's called "albums", they wont sell period
    damillion
    The theory about piracy is not garbage. It's just that the really big acts still sell and the really small acts have a way of spreading their music. The only ones not gaining benefit are the reasonably big bands that still arn't making it big. As for the new Megadeth record it was one of the worst records they have ever put out, so that's probably why it isn't selling.
    Brandon1993
    Damn you pirates! Must've stolen the actual copies of Super Collider and replaced em with the steaming pile of crap that was released instead.... Fucking Davey Jones...and...Black Beard....
    Malchius
    Yeah ****ing Davy Jones! Bastard. He was always the shadiest member of The Monkees.
    starsky133
    I think the poor sales are a result of the people who bought the CD and told their friends how bad it was.
    randymeeks81
    I blame Dave Mustaine and his dumb comments turning casual fans against him. Casual fans like me. If he would just shut up and play great music, that would help.
    Ecnal
    Must be nice to have that excuse to fall back on. I'm sure if this album came out in the 90s with those same exact poor sales they probably would have blamed it on Grunge. Just face the facts... your album did shitty because it's a shitty album
    crazysam23_Atax
    Why is it shitty? It's not. You just don't like it. People need to get over themselves and their desire to basically have bands release their classic album v2 and then bashing them when they don't. It's stupid.
    Kueller917
    It's easier to say "shitty" than say "in my opinion the album is shitty". Unless someone is being a prick and trying to correct everyone else's opinion with subjective facts it's usually just implied that something is an opinion. Personally I'm not too into Megadeth so I didn't have a strong position in comparing it to classic albums, but I just found the songwriting dull.
    vppark2
    Name me an original lyric from the album. You can't. Already, this is telling me that this album is average at best.
    JelloCrust
    Record sales are up, pirates pirate then buy the album if it's worth it, Dave Mustain is insufferable, and Super Collider is terrible.
    zach.blackwell3
    That's just like Megadeth to immediately blame something else for their huge, bastard mistake of an album. Total garbage.
    Anjohl
    Aragorn, is that you? PS, piracy didn't hurt Super Colliders sales, being released the same week as a new Sabbath, Queens, and AIC album did, as did bad songwriting/production. Dave, we love your music, but trying to do an album a year or so is too much. Keep writing until you have 12-15 worthwhile tracks. We can wait.
    crazysam23_Atax
    If we're talking bad albums, the new Sabbath was terrible. It's ironic that people bash Megadeth for experimentation and then basically laud Sabbath for doing a boring version of their old Dio work (with Ozzy singing) in a new package.
    JFRules
    Well I bought End Game cause it was awesome. I didn't buy this one cause it sucked. I was even at HMV over the weekend an saw it for 12$. If I would have liked it I would have bought it.
    lemmyisgod97
    Wait, I thought HMV is closed ? They all are where I live.
    --ESTRANGED--
    i think they could afford to keep a few stores open, my local one (see: 30 miles away) is still going
    M3AK
    They were going to close all the ones in Edinburgh then decided to keep them all open. Epic luck.
    JFRules
    They're still open in Canada. I think it's just in the UK they closed down.
    EyesWideOpen
    The HMV here in Dundee, Scotland is still open. There are still one or two open in Glasgow too from what I know.
    2fast748
    The one in Liverpool is still going strong. As for Super Collider - there's nothing super about it.
    bauhaus96
    Actually, 2 things should take the blame: 1. The album sucks ass. 2. That banjo track.
    theScapegoat
    On a Thrash record, the only good sound coming from a banjo is, when someone smashes it on the head of whoever came up with that stupid idea.
    Iommianity
    If you're turning to Megadeth for excellent metal in 2013, that might be your first problem. Maybe you're just a fan of Dave's writing style moreso than it being good up until now. When's the last time Dave actually did something new, either thrash related or rock related? Super Collider is a bad album, but it's like people forgot Cryptic Writings or Risk. Yeah, there's some banjo on a song, they tuned down, it's a departure from maybe the preceding two albums. But this is nothing new for Dave, just like a 'return to form' like Endgame was nothing new compared to Rust in Peace or Peace Sells. This is just Dave bringing back those glossy hard rock sections. A band can't lose something they haven't had in ages. People confuse how bad Dave falls off when he tries to write anything else with 'experimenting'. There's nothing experimental about writing music closer to what you were influenced by.
    Josh Reubenking
    Face it, Dave. 'Super Collider' SUCKS! Worst record since 'Risk,' if not worse.
    crazysam23_Atax
    "Risk" wasn't. Neither is this new one. You just wanted RIP, v2 or Peace Sells, v2.
    shred1980now
    no, we just dont wanna hear such a horrible singer rasp "burn baby burn" at us. if this was an entirely unheard of band's debut album, nobody would have bought it.
    tvdinnerguy7
    Not saying they don't deserve to make money, but shouldn't they just be glad that people are listening and like it enough to go to their shows?
    Smegal
    I saw the headline and assumed he was blaming Somalians for it.
    Shuei5
    Also, a lot of people don't want to buy Megadeth albums because Dave Mustaine has come with some really ****ing ignorant statements... I'm sorry, but at least where I live, large parts of the thrash-metal scene is underground, and often somehow in relation to punk and other more political scenes. That kind of ignorant statements then hurt record-sales. We're many who do have respect for Megadeths position as an important band in the genre, but who'd never dream of supporting him. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but at least in some scenes, I'm sure this has an impact.
    kLeft
    The very last album I bought of theirs was 'This System has Failed' which was alright, but was the same time where I realized we are now entering a very different, and less desirable Megadeth. But it was alright. United Abominations was actually better and had some standout tracks. As a fan I found "Thirteen" cringeworthy to listen to, and from the sounds of it this one isn't too much better.
    StevenPace
    I think it kind of goes hand in hand with all of the technology we have now too. Streaming services allow you to hear the whole album before buying it. I'm sure plenty of sales are lost due to an album just being shitty. I bet millions of records were bought in the past due simply to the fact the band's previous album was alright. Its almost not fair to compare then to now.
    iommi600
    I blame the terribly loud production, the dullness of the songs overall and the fact that other recent albums like 13 and ...Like Clockwork rightfully overshadowed it. Each one to his own though, mate.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Sabbath's new record was terrible though. Honestly. If it were any other band besides Sabbath, no one would care about "13".
    vppark2
    LIKE OMG SINCE I LIKE MEGADETH'S NEW ALBUM, I HAVE TO RIGHTFULLY THINK THAT THE NEW BLACK SABBATH ALBUM IS TERRIBLE. yaaaaa, makes total sense, dude....
    Kueller917
    You just made his point right there though. People care about Sabbath because it's Sabbath. They have come back with a new album and regardless of its quality they're a huge band and therefore worthy competition when it comes to marketing.
    arabmetallion
    while it is a disappointing release, I still enjoyed it. It takes a few listens to get used to and there is a bunch of awful tracks and terrible lyrics in some places that can bring down the whole experience but if you can ignore them, then it's not a bad record at all. Still, it doesn't surprise me that it hasn't sold well and it has nothing to do with pirating. It's just not thrashy and heavy enough for the fans and the bad vocals could never appeal to the mainstream.
    Animadantis
    Whats with the big four thinking their shit don't stink? They have all been boring and overrated since the mid 90's imo, although I did like Slayers "God Hates us All" lol, but now look at them
    Scottzar
    You guys are missing the fact that it was #6 on the top 200. Twenty years ago that would have meant like ten times more sales than they have now, thus these sales are "poor." It has nothing or very little to do with the album "sucking."
    JohnSeminario
    For piracy to have been an issue, people would have had to wanted to pirate it in the first place..
    TheMaddestHaTT3
    I didnt torrent or buy it. Ive been a Megadeth fan for 20+ years and have watched each progressive album go down hill, since Rust. Their shows are all staged and exact. Every year its pretty much the same show, so I stopped going. Add Dave becoming a giant bloviating mouth and Megadeth is less than a fraction of what they once were. Its just a good thing Dave gets guy like Friedman and Poland, Drover to play along. I swear Dave gets more like Ulrich every year...
    rudejude82
    Finally got around to listening to their album, and goddamn!It is a collection of some of the blandest and boring metal I have ever heard. I am sooo glad Mustaine didn't get one cent from me. If he doesnt want his music ripped maybe he should write something descent.
    pierre.abikhali
    Perhaps they should start to put in some more effort and time in their albums instead of pooping out album after album every year. I think the biggest flaws in the album's the vocals, lyrics and the albumname. The music's pretty decent but Dave seriously needs to improve his vocals. He's not young anymore and can't keep singing like this.
    Morgothik
    I don't think we want our favorite bands to be less productive. Two years to come up with an album is plenty of time.