Members of Death Metal Band Decapitated Accused of Gang-Raping a Woman on Tour Bus

All four members facing charges, two members declined to give DNA samples.

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All four members of Polish death metal band Decapitated are being accused of gang-raping a woman on their tour bus following the band's August 31 show in Spokane, WA.

A report from Blabbermouth reads:

"According to court documents obtained by The Spokesman Review, the alleged victim and her friend told Spokane police they were invited by Decapitated members to have drinks in the tour bus after the show at The Pin.

"One of the two women 'described being excited to be on the bus, and then one of the band members began grabbing her breasts,' court documents say. 'He was later identified as the drummer, Michal Lysejko.'

"The same woman 'was uncomfortable and said the band members began speaking to each other in Polish,' court documents say. 'She described the 'vibe' in the bus changed, and one of the members began looking at them like they were prey.'

"The woman said Decapitated singer Rafal Piotrowski began kissing her and she began resisting when he started undoing her belt, according to court documents. The woman 'attempted to push Piotrowski away but he grabbed her arm and spun her around to where she was facing the sink and mirror in the bathroom,' court documents say.

"'She saw in the mirror and out of the corner of her eye each of the band members taking turns raping her.'

"The rape was reported when the woman got a call from her friend, who had been pulled over in another part of town on suspicion of driving under the influence.

"The alleged victim was taken to a hospital for a sexual assault examination, where it was determined that she had 'significant bruising to her upper arms consistent with being restrained' and 'small abrasions to her knuckles that were scabbed over.'

"During the alleged rape, she said, she 'was digging her fist into the wall to try and distract herself from what was happening.'

"When interviewed by detectives from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office, Lysejko 'made no comment other than he did not know who the girls were' when shown a picture of them. 'He said he would not talk without using a translator,' court documents say.

"Guitarist Waclaw Kieltyka told detectives he saw both Piotrowski and bassist Hubert Wiecek engaged in a sex acts with the woman in the bathroom. Piotrowski 'admitted there was a party on the bus and (the women) were present. He then requested an attorney and a translator refusing to make any further statements,' court documents say.

"Wiecek admitted the women had been on the bus, but said he 'sat on the couch and did not see what was going on,' court documents say. 'He then said he needed a translator so he did not misspeak. He also said no one was forced to get on the bus. He then said he did not recall what happened.'

"Kieltyka agreed to have a DNA swab collected as evidence, while Piotrowski and Wiecek both declined to give DNA samples.

"The Decapitated bandmembers were arrested early Saturday following their concert at The Observatory in Santa Ana, California. They are in the Los Angeles County Jail awaiting extradition to Spokane.

"Decapitated's attorney Steve Graham told The Spokesman-Review that his clients 'plan to fully fight the allegations that are brought against them, and we are fully confident that the other side of this story will be heard.'

"He previously said that he and his clients had 'witnesses that can testify to the fact that the accuser came to visit the band of her own free will and left on good terms.'"

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    blackone666
    I'd never defend them but I can't help but think that all that noise around this is because they are Polish. If I remember correctly, GNR gangraped a 14 year old back in the day and UG posted it as a fun trivia article. Am I right?  
    Panasonic3
    Many of our musical heros from the classic rock era engaged in heinous sex crimes with minors but apparently they are gods who can do no wrong so they will never be punished. Times have changed.
    *Stranger*
    Not sure if true, but apparently Jimmy Page said: "Times aren't what they used to be. YOu can't even fuck a 14 year old without going to jail" And he even had a go to groupie that at the start of their relationship was 15 years old. She's written a book later cause she fucked half of the 70s rock scene, but can't remember her name
    Necroheadbanger
    Chuck Berry is an example.
    Prostheta
    Jimmy Page fucked Chuck Berry?
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    Well it's true times do change. Used to be legal to get married and have kids at like 12. Are the people from back then really evil though considering they were following the law? It was different times what was acceptable back then isn't acceptable now.
    SCopeland24
    I agree to an extent but in your example, 12 is still young. It was more like 14/15, whenever the woman had her first bleed, she was ready to have children and thus marry. Also in Jimmy Page's case, he held a woman against her will as a sex slave, which is fucked up regardless of the age.
    Silentlassassin
    I don't think this has anything to do with the fact that they are Polish.  That is a silly claim and there is no evidence to support it. I think there is a difference between a 14 year old consenting back in the 70's and a gang rape today.  Think the sex education, women rights, rape awareness, etc... that has been happening over the last 40 years.  Rape in any form is a notorious topic today, and rightfully so. Additionally, when 'trivia' comes up of the antics of rock stars back in the day, none of it is viewed in a glorified light.   (I am saying 70's because of the Jimmy Page comment below and I wasn't able to find what you were referring to with GNR)
    blackone666
    Reporter - Rape... People - Oh, here we go again. Lies, SJWs, reptilians, Annunaki...whatever but a fellow countryman. Reporter - ...committed by a latino (Poles in the case) People - Yeah, ok, it's true then. Knew it, dammit.  It's called xenophobia, there's a lot of evidence out there to support it.  
    Silentlassassin
    Xenophobia absolutely exists.  But you are saying xenophobia exists in UG, to which I claim there is no evidence of that, especially against Poland.
    scottishmob
    I don't know why you were downvoted - you're not approving of that behavior - you're pointing out the ridiculousness of it, and the fact that lots of people are not only racist but don't give a shit about rape unless it gives them a chance to continue to be racist. With that said it doesn't sound like xenophobia is part of *this* particular story but hey who really knows? But that thing you're commenting on - it's the fucking worst combo ever, especially here in the states in the last few years. I don't know about overseas but it's just too much for me lately. I think it has something to do with lack of education (which is financially near impossible to deal with). I see lots of problems stemming from this.
    Eifler121
    They didn't gangrape her, Axl raped her. It was statutory. But yeah, basically UG posted it as fun, and the comments section basically supported and echoed the tone. I made a comment that it was pretty awful that Axl was getting support in the comments section, specifically for his actions in the article, and I got down votes.
    scottishmob
    I think that it is because of the time frame. People seem to think that if enough time passes it's okay to joke about that stuff because a lot of the trauma has passed, but knowing a good number of people very close to me who have been raped it's very frustrating to me when people joke about it because most of those things don't go away. It's highly likely that everyone reading these comments know a bunch of people who have been raped. A large portion of rape victims never speak about this publicly because of the huge amount of shame and self hate it can cause - in addition to a host of other things like PTSD, suicidal thoughts, etc. I think about this often: every time someone publicly jokes about rape the chances are high that they're hurting someone they love who is standing right next to them.
    FateDenied
    Maybe because statury rape has different laws and ages in each country. US seems to be way more restrictive of it than Europe.
    blackone666
    What's the correct way to refer to them, Polish or Poles? Damn. 
    antoniotate66480
    DNA will only prove there was sex. It wont prove if it was mutual. If shes underage then its a different story. Its sounds like atleast two were even identified by a band mate as having sex with her.
    KaleviHagqvist
    First I read they were gonna get decapitated for raping a woman. Which would actually be quite fitting if they really did it
    nathandavis87
    100000% agree. Whoever was in on this, if true, deserves to be tortured till they die and take an epi shot to the heart and let the nightmare begin a new untill they can't be revived. Then decapitate them because it would be fitting given their name. Or we could pass them around the jails of America and let them get raped themselves. Can't stand molesters and rapists.
    gwade1217
    Unless they didnt actually commit a rape...then they're left with their names completely tarnished and will b looked at like deviants for the rest of their lives. Judging them b4 we've even heard their side is wrong, way wrong. I hate the fact that rape happens at all, but being accused of it when it didn't happen is really terrible, and these false accusations happen quite a bit...or when someone sobers up realizing what they 'participated' in, and then make the accusation.
    nathandavis87
    Look up to the comment I commented on originally. Context. Also, reading comprehension. I said "if true."
    DWB
    Eh, they can just switch to black metal and be celebrated for being grim und kvlt
    steveo54
    it scares me how many downvotes people are getting for saying "innocent until proven guilty"
    HarryParatestes
    the court of public opinion or the angry mob mentality is enough to destroy someone or their career regardless of actual facts its a fucked up world we live in
    MurphySanders7
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    MurphySanders7 · Sep 12, 2017 02:02 PM
    Vandekill
    It's because society is like that now, guilty until proven innocent. It changed progressively. And everyone use it at his advantage, I mean Trump supporters wanted Hillary for jail, other are convicted Trump is a rapist...  It's just the way it is now and don't be hypocrites cause we all think like that. Here the girl have bruises, it doesn't seem good for Decapitated
    Eifler121
    The issue is pretty specific to rape cases. It's highly sensitive because it's character defining both to falsely accuse someone of rape, and even more so to be found guilty of rape. The reason people have started finding the accused "guilty" until proven innocent is that women are often disregarded any time a man of power is accused of raping them. Power being a very relative term. The pressure to take victims seriously at first has also seemed to make people more accusatory.
    ScottStewart1
    My ex and i have had a lot of wild bruises, doesn't make it any less consensual. I wonder why they don't utilize lie detector tests more often, since this basically sounds like one of those 'he said' 'she said' scenarios that you can't definitively prove otherwise
    copperwreck
    Because lie detectors only work in movies. And in sales brochures from companies building lie detectors.
    nathandavis87
    That's the thing. See where the evidence goes if innocent then they should sue this lady for defamation but if guilty they deserve Hell.
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    Victims of sexual assault and rape need to be protected from defamation because not every rape can be proven. Just because there's not enough evidence to find them guilty doesn't mean they didn't do it. DNA evidence for rape goes away very quickly and it's very easy to get an alibi. Unfortunately some women take advantage of this and try it on but it's needed.
    nathandavis87
    A lot of Dna evidence can last literally years. For instance a cumstain on some torn panties. That can last for a good while and saliva I'm a person's mouth can last for about 3 days if I remember correctly. So DNA can be pretty good even a bit after the act. I agree with you some women acuse just to get fame and fortune out of it. If that can be proven then they deserve to pay a king's ransom for making false claims. As someone who was molested as a child I can totally say it pisses me off that the ones who violated me got away with it. So this hits close to home. However, I have been accused of sexual harassment falsely as well and it nearly got me thrown from the college I was attending because someone misunderstood what I said. I got it cleared up but it could have had serious consequences. The long and short of it is to make sure you have your ducks in a row when it is legit. If it is fake then you are basically raping any victim all over again by lying about it.
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    Not on a person's body it can't. Also not every rape case has clothing from the scene because not every woman reports it on the same day or even year it happens. I think unless there is indisputable proof that it was a plot against the man they shouldn't be punished.
    nathandavis87
    I agree with the last bit. If they have people testifying that someone was bragging about a payday from BS charges then they need to burn. Sorry if I mistyped earlier. What you said about rape not being reported right away is true and the evidence is often times lost. Unfortunately.
    Monkedelic
    Their band name isn't going to do them any favors if and when this thing goes to trial. Prosecuting attorney: "On the night of August 31st, three members of the Polish death metal band, Decapitated, brutally- Juror: Your honor, we have reached our verdict...
    Danroush
    I've always found America's obsession with using a Jury to be quite weird. Like the Apple vs Samsung case had a group of people who had not a clue about patent law, no idea about how the technology actually worked, and therefore could only make superficial judgements based on the rhetoric of the lawyer (which resulted in about $1bn being awarded to Apple, but large chunks of that eventually being overturned in appeals courts).  I mean I can understand use of a Jury in more "human" cases like rape or murder, but even then they're not exactly a great way of doing things. As for the actual news story here, it doesn't look great but I'll wait for some facts before making claims about either side.
    Monkedelic
    Danroush: My sister is a patent lawyer and she (along with most of her colleagues) is not a fan of the jury trial concept in the realm of patent law. However, in her 10 years of experience in actual case litigation, she has never had a case go to a jury trial. The vast majority of patent cases are settled out of court and I believe of the cases that go to trial, most are heard and decided by a judge. (My sister has only had 4 or 5 cases go to trial at all, and they were all decided by a judge). But you're right, jury trials in patent law put the whole thing on a foundation of uncertainty. I guess the reason they still have jury trials is because trials by jury are guaranteed by the 7th amendment. There have been various interpretations of the 7th amendment by their Supreme Court over the past 200+ years, and there was a time where there were no jury trials in patent cases, but a movement in the 1800s to get back to the most literal interpretations of constitution, brought jury trials back into patent law.
    Monkedelic
    **The 7th amendment guarantee of a trial by jury applies only to cases heard in a federal court.
    skyturnedred
    I'd say more "human" cases, as you put it, are even worse for using a jury. Rape, murder etc. are a lot more emotional cases compared to Corporation X vs Corporation Y cases where you can just look at the facts (as much as you can understand it).
    Danroush
    In some ways yeah, but at least in those cases they *understand* the content of the trial at the very least. Somehow I feel the carpenter on the Samsung vs Apple trial probably didn't know much about coding.
    False_God
    Hopefully they get whats coming provided they did the crime. If they didn't, making false accusations should be dealt with a heavy hand.
    sillylily5534
    Serious question: If they were innocent of these charges, why are 2 band members declining to give DNA samples? Wouldn't that just reflect badly on them?
    AncientChild
    No, it just shows they have common sense. Don't say or do anything without a lawyer, don't give evidence to people whose job is to try and put you in jail, not find the truth. Not to mention that there have been several large-scale instances of DNA / evidence labs skewing the results intentionally to give prosecutors and investigators the results they wanted.
    nathandavis87
    Good point. The justice system is not just. Just there like any other industry. Chaching.
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    Their job is not "to try and put you in jail" it's to get accurate results and bring them with them to court regardless of the results of the tests. And what instances have these been exactly? There have been mix-ups very rarely and the victims to that have been heavily compensated but when has there been deliberate tampering of evidence and what is your proof?
    HammettIsKing
    Of course that's their job.  Prosecution's job is to get people convicted of a crime regardless of whether they think the person is guilty or not.  The defense's job is the opposite, prevent a conviction whether they think the person is guilty or not.  That or get the best possible deal that they think they can get.
    nathandavis87
    It has happened before in several cases ( you can Google and it will bring back several cases) the problem is that what you said should be true but sometimes in emotional cases such as this you get some bias seeping in. That can taint the investigation and subsequent trial. I agree in general it makes them look shady and the courts will eventually get the samples anyway. So better to cooperate than cause issues but I would always speak to legal council before anything.
    Om_Bongo
    I came in here hoping this wasn't true, but nope, that sounds pretty damning. Fuck those guys. If they're guilty, they better go away.
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    Every rape claim sounds "damning" it's always guilty until proven innocent in rape cases.
    Ben4130
    I dunno man. It seems more often that the victim gets verbally abused all over the internet as being a liar or doing it for attention (seriously, who would actually want this kind of hateful attention??) or money. Then when it's found in court that they were telling the truth, nobody talks about it. And that's one of the reasons why so many women don't come forward about being raped, not worth all the abuse and reliving the trauma in court. Even if they do go ahead with taking the rapist to court, the odds of the rapist doing time are pretty fucking minimal.
    franciscoaguerre
    Took me a couple of tries to make sense of the headline. At first I thought the band members were actually decapitated by a mob after gang-raping a girl.
    HarryParatestes
    on the bright side they could be proven guilty and do their time then they could be released and work on a successful single with mark ronson mystikal did it so why not decapitated
    Touchingcloth
    I'm curious, who the hell upvoted this article?
    henrihell
    Maybe people who upvote a good article instead of a positive article. I'm inclined to think the whole purpose of up- or downvoting articles is to give UG a perspective on what kind of article we like, and therefore stop posting heavily disliked articles. Seeing as the article is not an opinion the votes for it shouldn't be opinions on the subject, but rather the article itself.
    Touchingcloth
    Haven't thought of it that way. I always saw it as a way of UG members expressing sentiment on the content (in this case the rape claims), but interesting point.
    dewitt
    They're not feelings buttons. They're designed for you to encourage or discourage the content provided.
    PRSguitars87
    Waiting for some total scumbag to defend the band.
    rich.bendall
    Bit harsh considering nothing has actually come to light yet. I'll agree its damning but as a fan of the band I'm hoping beyond belief that this is a misunderstanding or false charge.  Metal Sucks actually made a very good point on the matter, either way its a lose/lose situation. If the allegations aren't true then it'll make it far easier to deride rape allegations for women. If the allegations are true then a popular band are implicated in a truly despicable act. 
    nathandavis87
    Men can be raped as well. It is not just the weak and helpless female that gets sexually assaulted. There has to proof as in any other crime. No proof, no conviction. If you convict on gut or emotion than the whole legal system means jack. Evidence is meaningless and it becomes a court of popular opinion. Which sucks btw.
    MurphySanders7
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    MurphySanders7 · Sep 12, 2017 04:34 PM
    nathandavis87
    That's exactly what happens if emotion is allowed to rule. Everything should be based on data and not emotion. I don't think it is proper to allow the general public to have access to the trial either. The US "Justice" system can go die along with any other that allows emotion into the trial. Everything should be based on pure fact in the courtroom.
    Kornholic
    "In many states, presumption of innocence is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, and it is an international human right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 11. Under the presumption of innocence, the legal burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which must collect and present compelling evidence to the trier of fact. The trier of fact (a judge or a jury) is thus restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony presented in court. The prosecution must, in most cases prove that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused must be acquitted."
    SCopeland24
    What happened to innocent till proven guilty? Let's let the police do their jobs. I hope that these accusations turn out to be false, mainly because being gang-raped sounds so horrific.
    AncientChild
    All you have are allegations thus far. Been a whole lot of fake rape claims lately, to the detriment of actual rape victims.  I find it hard to believe that any female is naive enough to get on a tour bus thinking they're going to be playing a few hands of Old Maid with the band.
    Panasonic3
    The paradigm here is that guys in a band go in tour in a bus and females come on board after the show and everyone has sex.
    GeekInThePink
    How do you know she didn't originally want sex upon getting on the bus? She may have later changed her mind, which she is legally allowed to do no matter the reason.
    nathandavis87
    Exactly, she bares some responsibility if true simply because everyone knows sex, drugs and rock-'n'-roll. Not saying what they might have done is right but she was a moron for playing the game. It is kinda like Russian roulette. It is your fault if you agree to play and end up blowing your head off. Don't put yourself in a potentially harmful situation. With that said that is not a mitigating factor in this case and it does not change how I feel about the punishment they deserve if this is true.
    ov.nothing
    typical story coming from sjw home territory
    Panasonic3
    I wouldn't exactly call UG news section sjw home territory
    ov.nothing
    no, washington state
    Zirk208
    This is from Spokane, the polar and geographic opposite of the Seattle liberal cess-pool.  
    pressureproject
    Lesson here is: Girls, don't get on a tour bus with a band if you think you're just gonna talk. Guys, don't even think about having sex nowdays without a written and signed consent form.
    ripper992
    Don't rape people, also a nice lesson
    AncientChild
    "Don't rape people" is pretty much written in stone.  No female gets on a tour bus in the middle of the night and then gets shocked when the band wants sex.
    TheMysticalBard
    The band shouldn't expect sex from fans. Period.
    SFosterS
    Thats actually why I started playing tho... I wanted guitar player tang. Morphed in to my life saving passion, but lets not fucking kid ourselves. I dont expect, but hope for sex with almost every woman I meet lol To not hope for sex from a "groupie" that comes on your bus would make you asexual... Obviously you NEVER. FULL STOP. NEVER. Put your hands on ANYONE who has not given consent... But to "not expect sex from fans" is just naive dude.
    TheMysticalBard
    No, ot's actually not naive, it's being a decent person. If you started playing for pussy or cock or whatever your preference is then you started for a stupid reason. The fans already paid to see your show. Hoping is different than expecting. Expecting means you think it will certainly happenes. Which is wrong, no one owes you sex because youre in a band and youbplayed for then. Hoping is just wishing it would happen.
    GeekInThePink
    How do you know she didn't originally want sex upon getting on the bus? She may have later changed her mind, which she is legally allowed to do no matter the reason. What someone is not legally allowed to do is rape them, even if they don't like their reason.
    HarryParatestes
    what kind of slut goes on a tour bus to talk the bus is for drugs liquor and pussy and thats it she probably just wants some of that death metal money
    FateDenied
    Not saying they are guilty, but this kind of shit doesn't suprise me at all. Judging from what ive heard from a lot of women in the rock/metal scene a lot of musicians in "popular" bands develop these sociopathic traits were they assume any woman who is a fan of their music is willing to sleep with them (and cheat on their boyfriend).
    seven.johnson
    From what can be gathered from the article, it seems not to add up. They detailed the injuries, but no mention of a rape kit being performed. Reported to police when a friend on the other side of town got pulled for drink driving. We don't know all the facts, it could be either/or at this stage - but both outcomes are fucked.
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    Maybe she didn't want a "rape kit"? She's already supposedly been raped so more invasive touching is probably the last thing she wants. 
    nathandavis87
    They can always get DNA off her clothes and with the testimony if the doctor who did the examination that could be pretty dern close.
    swampjesus
    I'm sure there was something happening but then an argument took place. Then there's regret and accusations.
    Shadow-Michel
    So basically they lie to the police, victim has physical proof, they won't allow DNA to be taken, the guitarist kinda seems to confirm the story... I think they'll get their fair share in prison.
    AncientChild
    What physical proof does she have?
    Shadow-Michel
    "The alleged victim was taken to a hospital for a sexual assault examination, where it was determined that she had 'significant bruising to her upper arms consistent with being restrained' and 'small abrasions to her knuckles that were scabbed over.' That together with what the guitarist says... It is a believable story and their defensive and not compliant attitude with the police, I don't see a positive ending for them.
    AncientChild
    Bruises and scabs are not evidence of rape by themselves. Especially with "rape me, daddy" fantasies so prevalent. Not to mention just having come from a metal show.
    Jyrgen
    Did you read the article? "The alleged victim was taken to a hospital for a sexual assault examination, where it was determined that she had 'significant bruising to her upper arms consistent with being restrained' and 'small abrasions to her knuckles that were scabbed over."
    Shadow-Michel
    The examination by the doctor
    SFosterS
    Shows arm bruising but mentions nothing of any other bruising or vaginal area bruising.  I need more info before I grab my pitchfork...
    TreyR
    Ok, this doesnt look good..especially declining of DNA..I believe that Vogg (guitarist) didnt had sex with her/rape her, but you can also argue if he knew what was going on or not. Anaway, pretty fucked up situation to fairly "read" in.
    nathandavis87
    Yeah, if he realized they were raping her he is obligated to at the very least report it to the authorities even if he never engaged in the crime itself.
    orjavier
    ok, No1- Why accept an invitation of 4 men in a tour bus?? of course sex is included in the invitation. Drugs, smoke and alcohol usually are included, when there are drugs, there is sex. No.2 - They really rape the girl?? or they had sex and then she accused them to get some money?? Who knows?? so, unfortunately im the kind of men that say that sex doesn't have to be forced, if a woman says no, its no. But well, its up to you. regards.
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    1. No it's not included in the invitation unless they say so at the start and she agrees. Having sex with someone who is intoxicated is also rape because you can't legally consent when intoxicated. 2. That's why they have a trial to determine whether what she says is true or not. But if the girl said stop at any point then then they must stop or it's rape.
    HarryParatestes
    so you started as a troll but now yer an unrepentant white knight social justice warrior defense attorney for death metal groupies i knew you were a poser
    SlipOfTheLip
    And in the states, the other person can also 'withdraw consent'. So yeah....you can end up in some deep shit, even if you're doing it right. Pun intended.
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    If she says stop just stop and you've done nothing wrong. I highly doubt a court would convict someone because the girl changed her mind halfway through and you complied.
    SlipOfTheLip
    Yeah, but I was instantly reminded of this - http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/04/occidental-e...
    friday.the.13th.jasonx
    Well as far as i'm concerned if he was declared innocent by the authorities the college can't make their own judgement and must comply with what the law has determined.
    Monkedelic
    "when there are drugs, there is sex." I've done a lot of drugs and I speak from personal experience when I say, "HAAA hahahaha!!! ... haaahaahahah haha ha.... hoo hoo hoo hooooo.. .... aggghhhhh hooo hoo...
    maxagiffin
    It's sounding pretty damning at this point. I hope it's not true, but then there's a whole other issue when it comes to false accusations with rape. I'll still listen to the music either way I guess.
    Prostheta
    I'm interested as to why all four members are being accused, whilst it seems that two "may have been involved" on some level, and those two being the ones who refused to submit DNA as evidence. On the face of it, two members seem to be being accused directly? This seems more like a charge is being levelled at the band as a whole rather than as individuals. A lot of this doesn't add up, however why would we be party to all of the "facts" other than the ones we're assuming, being fed by media outlets or simply making up to suit our personal biases? TDLR; This is all a bit fucky.  
    Northernmight
    Well. It's a pickle, isn't it? She could've gone in there and had sex with all of them willingly, the DNA can't show if she was raped or not. Which means it all comes down to witness testimony, really, in any case - where the law is often on the woman's side, and will fuck over innocent guys - on the flipside, most witnesses that may have been would either be fans or working with the band, so they might have an interest in lying on their behalf. I doubt we'll ever know.
    ReplicantSix
    I'm not usually one to reach right for the pitchfork in this kind of scenario, but it really isn't looking good for the band.
    OriginOfFeces
    Lol... People love listening to this violent gorey music but if it really happens they're all off the hook. Sure, music can be an extreme form of art, but let's not forget reality. This shit does actually happen.