Metallica Admit 'Lulu' Failure

Lars Ulrich says Lou Reed found the critical reaction difficult, but says he was warned. Meanwhile, the 3D Metallica film will enter production this year - and the pressure is on.

Metallica Admit 'Lulu' Failure
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Metallica have acknowledged the critical reaction to "Lulu", but think it will eventually be recognised as a classic album. But it leaves them cautious over their future projects, including their forthcoming 3D film which enters production this year. Speaking on "Lulu" (via Blabbermouth), Lars Ulrich said their collaborator found the criticism hardest to deal with. "It was difficult for Lou Reed because he takes everything very personally. And I think he was very surprised. We told him all along: 'Listen, there are some very, very, very hardcore metal fans out there that like everything pre-packaged in a particular little box that looks like this, and the minute that you slightly veer outside of that, then they have a hernia." He says the band needed to experiment with Lou Reed to "shake up" their career to survive creatively. "The LA Weekly said how the real album of 2011 was 'Lulu', but nobody is gonna recognize it for another 20 years," said Ulrich. "In about 900 years from now, people will be able to talk about 'Lulu' face to face with each other without hiding behind masks." Ulrich went on to talk about the Metallica 3D movie, which they seem to be approaching with caution after the commercial failure of "Lulu". "Getting your own 3D movie off the ground is easier said than done, but we're doing our best," he said. "We just want to make sure that we don't throw ourselves out into something that gets so completely overwhelming that the whole thing just blows up in our face." The film will follow a story of the band members against the backdrop of a Metallica concert, and will enter production this year.

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    drying out
    In other words: "Lulu is just way ahead of its time and our fans are closed minded hernia patients"
    Krieger91
    Almost sounds like he's saying "I knew that people would sislike this, but it's because our fans are backwards people"
    colm c
    If you don't let artists do what they want to make themselves happy first artistically theyll just give up! Lulu sucked ass, but Metallica can do whatever the hell they want.
    tonello
    LuLu was terrible but I respect the band for doing it. And one thing people still haven't realized is that IT'S A LOU REED ALBUM FEATURING METALLICA. NOT A METALLICA ALBUM.
    MrFlibble
    Zombow wrote: Misleading title as always
    U-G practically pride themselves on it. In fact this one isn't misleading, it's downright lying. Lars could have U-G up for libel. In this instance they haven't just taken a quote out of context, they've plain made it up. Acknowledging fan backlash =/= admitting failure. Those are two very, very different things in PR and even in court. It's actually straight-up illegal what U-G have done here.
    DaniArrow
    Krieger91 wrote: Almost sounds like he's saying "I knew that people would sislike this, but it's because our fans are backwards people"
    Maybe they are? I don't know
    THE BULGE
    Say what you like about being fed up with this album i admire how much lars is defending his work he clearly truly believes in it. I agree to an extent there is more to the album than some realise and maybe down the line it will reappear from obscurity and make sense. Why make a 3d film though? I don't see it enhancing the experience at all.
    Mazzakazza
    Lulu is terrible. I won't be guilt-tripped into saying it was ok just because Reed is upset by the criticism..
    Karz1993
    Yep, Lars Ulrich = Metallica. Don't need to hear what James, kirk or Rob think now do we UG?
    Gaboh
    'Listen, there are some very, very, very hardcore metal fans out there that like everything pre-packaged in a particular little box that looks like this, and the minute that you slightly veer outside of that, then they have a hernia." Lulu just sucked, that's all. Btw I don't consider myself a "hardcore metal fan".
    5MinutesAlone
    JoranvandenPoll wrote: 5MinutesAlone wrote: I think I'm the only one who likes LULU In that case, Tell me what is so awesum about the album!
    I wouldn't use the word awesome but I surely would say the album is something unique - a new creation of some sort. Its not like I have an ear ache listening to it. I admit that after the first few times I listened to it I had no ****ing clue what was going on...but with time it grew onto me. I actually like the whole creepy 'promiscuous girl meeting Jack the Ripper' theme, with Lou's poetry and his nonchalant vocals. Metallica's musical backdrop on that album I think is great. They have some pretty good riffs, albeit quite repetitive. Nevertheless its quite enjoyable. And the production is clean too so you get that typical chunky, heavy and raw Hetfield tone. And about James being the table. Lol well I have to agree its funny...but I must add that I asked James during a Meet and Greet for the Bangalore show in October 2011 what he meant by 'I am the table'...He smiled and said 'I don't know. Its Lou who came up with it'..then he laughed..and he said 'He's probably referring to his higher power...you know the table, support, where everything finds a place to rest'
    Salvo416
    Swanny1989 wrote: It seems that Metallica can't release anything anymore without it being negatively criticized by half their fanbase anymore, doesn't it?
    sad but true
    Masterofpirates
    Sorry Lars, but I'm pretty sure that nobody's going to be talking about Lulu in 900 years. Maybe Master of Puppets though.
    cargath
    Listen, there are some very, very, very hardcore metal fans out there that like everything pre-packaged in a particular little box that looks like this, and the minute that you slightly veer outside of that, then they have a hernia.
    Just pick a random UG thread on Metallica for living proof he's right.
    theotherguy7145
    What I think is about Lulu isn't that it's not metal enough or whatever. It's just the music isn't of a good quality. If they came out with a well written soul or funk album then I wouldn't have been as disappointed because it wouldn't have been as painful to listen to as Lulu. S&M was brilliant of course, and that was a big change from how the original songs sounded but it went down well because it sounded good! Not sure if I've got my point across but I know what I mean
    the_weirdoman
    Salvo416 wrote: Swanny1989 wrote: It seems that Metallica can't release anything anymore without it being negatively criticized by half their fanbase anymore, doesn't it? sad but true
    Icwutudidthar
    MT_Obsidian
    5MinutesAlone wrote: JoranvandenPoll wrote: 5MinutesAlone wrote: I think I'm the only one who likes LULU In that case, Tell me what is so awesum about the album! I wouldn't use the word awesome but I surely would say the album is something unique - a new creation of some sort. Its not like I have an ear ache listening to it. I admit that after the first few times I listened to it I had no ****ing clue what was going on...but with time it grew onto me. I actually like the whole creepy 'promiscuous girl meeting Jack the Ripper' theme, with Lou's poetry and his nonchalant vocals. Metallica's musical backdrop on that album I think is great. They have some pretty good riffs, albeit quite repetitive. Nevertheless its quite enjoyable. And the production is clean too so you get that typical chunky, heavy and raw Hetfield tone. And about James being the table. Lol well I have to agree its funny...but I must add that I asked James during a Meet and Greet for the Bangalore show in October 2011 what he meant by 'I am the table'...He smiled and said 'I don't know. Its Lou who came up with it'..then he laughed..and he said 'He's probably referring to his higher power...you know the table, support, where everything finds a place to rest'
    This is probably the best comment I've heard about the Lulu album since it came out. I applaud you for your open-mindedness and desire to actually find out what it means, and then to explain it here. Bravo, sir; this is how it should be done.
    Fred Bob
    A 3D movie? Seriously go away and write a new album, you're a band...
    MegadethFan18
    God damn I love Metallica but talk about resting on your laurels. I'll be honest I loved Death Magnetic but lets talk real for a second, they put out their first 5 albums 8 years apart but in the last 20 they've put out 4. I haven't listened to Lulu so I won't pass judgement. From what I gather it was born of drunk talk and Lou Reed not knowing that Drunk talk turns into stupid talk that is never mentioned ever again once everyone sobers up.
    Iommianity
    Seeing how much metal has evolved since the 80s, the problem isn't the fanbase or a stagnant genre. It might be an easy picture to paint, but if you bother to learn about the genre, you'll find plenty of bands who play out of the box as a rule, and yet manage to write decent music. It's hard to take Lars seriously when bands all the way back to Celtic Frost have been thinking outside the box. Lulu sucked because even as an art piece, it was lame. Neurosis is a band that thinks 'outside' in metal. How about Atheist? Imagine death metal and samba/jazz. Lulu was some hashed out backing tracks with Lou Reed ranting over it. Leave the comments about metal to the people who still listen to it.
    jannick
    everything above this comment i agree with. if you put sarcasm aside and read the actual text as it is, i actually agree with all the posts.
    rocknroll \m/
    "...that gets so completely overwhelming that the whole thing just blows up in our face." It's a 3D movie Lars, you can count on it.
    DexterF
    So now it's the *fans* fault blending trout filet and chocolate sirup does not work out? Go drum yourself, Lars.
    Flibo
    Glass Prisoner wrote: Oh, come onnnnn Lars! I'm not a hardcore metal fan. I like Johnny Cash, The Prodigy, Frank Sinatra, Chas n Dave, Michael Jackson, Miles Davis, Joe Bonamassa, Pat Metheny, blah blah blah. I just like a good song. But Lulu DID NOT have a good song!! Plain and simple.
    That's alright, but your opinion still isn't any less subjective. I didn't enjoy listening to Lulu either, but I can appreciate Metallica for doing such a daring thing regardless of their status; they're a very mainstream band who are expected to reach for commercial success. Lulu if something proves that they're far from being sellouts. They could've made a Black Album vol. 2 if they wanted, but instead they did something they actually thought was interesting. Admittedly, it wasn't the most perfect record to release, but at least it was different. I can't stand bands that put out the same record for 20 years.
    crazy8rgood
    'Listen, there are some very, very, very hardcore metal fans out there that like everything pre-packaged in a particular little box that looks like this, and the minute that you slightly veer outside of that, then they have a hernia." At least Lars understands that most of his fans are closed minded to any sort of experimentation at all.
    Swanny1989
    It seems that Metallica can't release anything anymore without it being negatively criticized by half their fanbase anymore, doesn't it?
    noamshouseparty
    I shall be brief (my letter to UG) Your news headlines are always misleading/inaccurate and it is quite Annoying - I even have some reason to believe that they may cause the reader to suffer one or more of the following: agoraphobia, insomnia, depression, kleptomania, acute trichotillomania (pulling ones hair out), disorganised schizophrenia, nosophobia (severe hypochondria), spontaneous dental hydroplosion and most worryingly of all, HALLUCINATIONS. I for one suffer at this very moment to type this message as an imaginary albino badger repeatedly slams its paws on my keyboard, an inconvenience which began following my perusal of this article [link to this page], the inept discrepancy between headline and body text causing said afflictions. Please fix this silliness. P.S. I myself used an inappropriate headline in this missive. Such actions are regrettable yet necessary. Well that is what I sent 'em.
    redisni
    Funny thing is, Lulu was Lou Reed's work. The guys from Metallica were just hired guns.
    Skuzzmo
    And i really do wish they would phuck off with these damn shopping adverts in the thread....phuckers.
    Skuzzmo
    As artists, Tally can do what they want. They can all get naked and draw landscapes with each others fecal matter if that's what satisfies their artistic urges... they should not be fenced in and allowed to express themselves as they see fit... However... That said, if you become popular and well known for producing product "x" then don't be surprised if people walk away from you when you start pushing out product "y" instead.
    abigor731
    he is right to some extent, people will remember LULU for it is hands down an incredible load of shit, but thats what makes it special, nobody expected something like this, and you gotta give them credit because it actually is something different noones gonna talk about death magnetic in a few years, cause its just mediocre, but LULU probably made history for being a grand failure
    doubleG
    Good on them for trying something new and different. I admire people who make music that they want to make, and not what the fans want them to make.
    Vindictor
    In 900 years people might be saying to one another "Hey, did you hear that really old Metallica/Lou Reed record? It sucks massive testicles!" because if it sounds bad now, it will sound bad then.
    risk182
    He acknowledged that the album sold badly, which is obvious, but I don't think he's admitting that the music is shit.
    MechaDio
    So just so I'm clear: They make an album that I don't like, that everyone I showed the songs off it to didn't like (many of whom weren't metal fans), and it's just because Lulu is secretly an amazing album. Yeah. Okay. Keep drinking that Kool Aid.
    Glass Prisoner
    Oh, come onnnnn Lars! I'm not a hardcore metal fan. I like Johnny Cash, The Prodigy, Frank Sinatra, Chas n Dave, Michael Jackson, Miles Davis, Joe Bonamassa, Pat Metheny, blah blah blah. I just like a good song. But Lulu DID NOT have a good song!! Plain and simple.
    Sonny_sam
    Yep, that's right Lars, blame the fans... Because it was us that made an abysmal album that's actually physically painful to listen to in places...