Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder Under Heavy Fire in Israel Following Anti-War Rant

"I swear to f--king God, there are people out there who are looking for a reason to kill!" the singer shouts during show.

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Pearl Jam singer Eddie Vedder stirred up a major debate with his recent onstage rant about Israel, resulting in heavy fire from many fans, as well as support from others.

The whole thing starter during a July 11 UK performance at the Milton Keynes Bowl, as Eddie shouted during classic track "Daughter":

"What the f--k? What the f--k? We can have this many people having a peaceful time. We can have modern technology. We can reach our friends. We know what they're thinking before they're thinking it. The advertisers know what we're thinking before we're thinking it. We have technology - all this in our hands. At the same time that something this positive is happening, at the same f--king time, not even that far away, they're f--king dropping bombs on each other. What the f--king f--k?"

Vedder continued, "I swear to f--king God, there are people out there who are looking for a reason to kill! They're looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them. They should get the f--k out, and mind their own f--king business...

"Everyone wants the same goddamn thing: to have our children, eat, procreate, draw a painting, make some art, listen to music, f--k some more, have another baby, eat, work, eat, work, love, love, love, everyone's the f--kin' same! So why are people at war? Stop the f--king s--t, now! Now! Now! We don't want to give them our money. We don't want to give them our taxes to drop bombs on children! Now! No more! Now!"

A massive controversy was bound to come, as enraged Israel fans swarmed social networks, calling the singer out for his rant. Among them was rock radio DJ Ben Red, the man previously behind a campaign to bring Pearl Jam to Israel.

"Eddie Vedder, your true face is finally being revealed. You are invited not to come here. I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing Pearl Jam to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are," the DJ said.

The politically outspoken frontman had since issued a statement to the Pulse of Radio, as well as a lengthy post on the band's official website, explaining his stance in more detail.

"I've always been wary, you know, speaking from some kind of a podium as a singer in a rock band," he said. "First of all, I think it's ridiculous that it should be left to the singers of rock bands to have to bring up these issues. But then again, the arts are always going to reflect society, and there could be a responsibility there."

As for the website post, the "Imagine That - I'm Still Anti-War" piece reads as follows: "Most of us have heard John Lennon sing, 'You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.'

"And some of us, after another morning dose of news coverage full of death and destruction, feel the need to reach out to others to see if we are not alone in our outrage. With about a dozen assorted ongoing conflicts in the news everyday, and with the stories becoming more horrific, the level of sadness becomes unbearable. And what becomes of our planet when that sadness becomes apathy? Because we feel helpless. And we turn our heads and turn the page.

"Currently, I'm full of hope. That hope springs from the multitudes of people that our band has been fortunate enough to play for night after night here in Europe. To see flags of so many different nations, and to have these huge crowds gathered peacefully and joyfully is the exact inspiration behind the words I felt the need to emphatically relay. When attempting to make a plea for more peace in the world at a rock concert, we are reflecting the feelings of all those we have come in contact with so we may all have a better understanding of each other.

"That's not something I'm going to stop anytime soon. Call me naive. I'd rather be naive, heartfelt and hopeful than resigned to say nothing for fear of misinterpretation and retribution.

"The majority of humans on this planet are more consumed by the pursuit of love, health, family, food and shelter than any kind of war. War hurts. It hurts no matter which sides the bombs are falling on.

"With all the global achievements in modern technology, enhanced communication and information devices, cracking the human genome, land rovers on Mars etc., do we really have to resign ourselves to the devastating reality that conflict will be resolved with bombs, murder and acts of barbarism?

"We are such a remarkable species. Capable of creating beauty. Capable of awe-inspiring advancements. We must be capable of resolving conflicts without bloodshed.

"I don't know how to reconcile the peaceful rainbow of flags we see each night at our concerts with the daily news of a dozen global conflicts and their horrific consequences. I don't know how to process the feeling of guilt and complicity when I hear about the deaths of a civilian family from a U.S. drone strike. But I know that we can't let the sadness turn into apathy. And I do know we are better off when we reach out to each other.

"'I hope someday you'll join us...' Won't you listen to what the man said. -Eddie Vedder"

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    sotp
    I am with Vedder on this. The merciless killing of innocents should be stopped today at this very moment. Unfortunately lots of people consider a post like this one to be antisemitic. I assure you all that I am not.
    cyclonus
    Nothing antisemitic about wanting the deaths of innocents to end. Hamas are a pack of terrorist twats but Israel can't hide the fact their indiscriminate bombing of Gaza is taking the lives of civilians who have no part in the conflict. That's my take on the current fight anyhow, I don't know enough to get involved deeper into why the two regions hate each other that much
    redisni
    Nobody's denying Hamas. But truth is, they're the perfect excuse for the Sionists (not all israelis are Sionists, there's a huge opposition IN Israel as well, that's not covered by the media) But let's be objective here: -HAMAS fires projectiles at Israel: TRUE. But, they're makeshift mortar charges, maybe a couple of rockets, that can't even detonate properly, because they don't have the resources of technology. -Israel, on the other hand, uses top-of-the-line war technology. That's a historical fact. But, they prefer going berserk, killing children, man and women who have absolutely no part in that, when they could simply pick their targets with accuracy (which they obiously don't).
    UncleBluck
    Vedder never mentioned Israel. He could have easily been talking about Russia/Ukraine....I think that this whole episode says more about Israel and their obvious paranoia that comes to the surface every time they engage in one of their revenge outings...
    toxin9
    of course he was talking about israel if that was true he would've said something about the fact that he wasn't talking about israel in his response
    tomba93
    What the hell you mean by saying "Zionist"? Every Jewish Israeli person considers himself "Zionist", which means - the belief in the right of the Jews to live in an independent country in the land of Israel. Nothing else.... Let's continue by saying that HAMAS' GOAL IS TO KILL ISRAELI CITIZENS. It is a part of their ideology - to delete the Jewish country from the map. Everyone needs to know that. The rockets they have, were funded and manufactured by Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Iran spends billions of dollars every year in order to supply Hamas with weapons, rockets, missiles and mortars, and in order to train youngsters how to become suicide bombers. ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF FROM TERROR. What would you do if your country suffered hundreds of rockets everyday? 70% of the Israeli population is threatened by the Hamas. Most of the Israeli and Palestinian population wants peace, but peace cannot be achieved with this terror organization, which rules Gaza. Yesterday Israel suspended strikes in Gaza for six hours, in order to stop the violence. The Hamas continued firing rockets. Hamas uses civilian buildings for military purposes. Just today, the UN found rockets in a UNRA school they founded in Gaza... The IDF does it's best in order to minimize harm to Palestinian citizens. The IDF only carries out preemptive strikes in order to kill terrorists, but they use citizens as their human shields. Today, the UN requested a humanitarian window in Gaza. Israel agreed, but Hamas took the opportunity to attack its cities. Please, be real. It's really sad when people talk about things they know nothing about.....
    INstaNt-RocK
    1. Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah only exist due to Israeli land grabbing. Such as in the Six Day War and that disastrous attempt to invade Lebanon. 2. Hamas were never approached about a ceasefire. Let's be real here, Egypt may have aligned itself with the Palestinians in the past, but the current president despises them as Hamas have close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. If you want evidence, consider the fact that the Egyptian government blew up all secret tunnels between the two countries (tunnels which formed the basis of Gaza's economy.It was Matti Peled who said that until the Palestinians are given their own fairly sized and sovereign state, Israel should expect nothing less than terrorist acts perpetrated by people who see no other option to fight for the land that was taken from them. Stop this mindless bloodshed by giving the Palestinians the land and rights they deserve.
    tomba93
    Nonsense. 1) In November 29, 1947, the UN proposed a partition of the of the British Mandate in Palestine into two independent states: an Arab state and a Jewish state. THIS PLAN WAS ACCEPTED BY THE JEWISH PUBLIC. ARAB LEADERS REJECTED THE PLAN, AND STARTED A WAR AGAINST THE NEWLY BORN STATE, declaring that "We will sweep them the Jews into the sea". This was the Israeli Independence war, and 5 different nations attacked the newly born state, but Israel made it. Read it up, it's all in wikipedia (and history books). 2) HAMAS -WERE- APPROACHED ABOUT A CEASEFIRE. Twice. Yesterday Egypt actually released a declaration which criticized Hamas as the organization responsible for this war, because they said no for ceasefire. ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT had at least 10 different negotiations for peace in the last decade. The Palestinians rejected them all. Israel even agreed giving them the whole West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and to give up Israeli settlements, but still - the answer is no. They won't agree with the existence of a Jewish state and they want 100% of the land. Khaled Mashal, the leader of the Hamas: "Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded". The countries of the free world - US, Canada, Australia, UK, France, Germany, etc. - support Israel's right to exist. IF YOU SUPPORT HAMAS, YOU SUPPORT THE ELIMINATION OF THE JEWISH STATE.
    INstaNt-RocK
    Nonsense. 1. The Palestinians, with a population twice the size of the Israeli's, were offered a smaller share of the land. That's a complete joke. This was closely followed by the expulsion of Arabs living within the new borders at the point of a gun. The Palestinian forces responded in kind. for this. 2. Consider the fact that even IDF sources acknowledge that at despite Egypt's proclamations of war, the Egyptian army (by far the largest army in the conflict) was woefully under prepared, and wouldn't be operable for at least a year. Israel launched attacks on them so that they would never pose a threat. 2. You seem to suggest all this aggression towards Israel is unwarranted. Ever heard of the terrorist Abu Nidal? Nidal's family were once rich, owning large orange groves in Palestine before the division of Palestine. Around 20% of all oranges sold in markets throughout Palestine and neighbouring countries in the region came from his family's groves. On the creation of the new state his family's land and home were seized, and they fled to a refugee camp. They had lost everything.I believe the phrase is 'you reap what you sow'. 3. As for your statements about Egypt's peace deal, see my original comment. The past 'peace' agreements have basically called for the Palestinians to give up any claim to any of the in Israel/Palestine. In 2000, had they agreed, they would have been allowed just 22% of their original land. Which is even less than they have now! Give the Palestinians Israeli settlements? Bullshit. Let me be clear, I don't support Hamas, and I wholeheartedly believe in the Jewish people's right to a state. However I do believe in cause and effect. You can't really expect to keep an entire population in a refugee camp for half a century and not expect them to remain completely placid. As I said before, of you want to stop this madness, give the Palestinians the state they deserve.
    tomba93
    Nonsense. 1) In November 29, 1947, the UN proposed a partition of the of the British Mandate in Palestine into two independent states: an Arab state and a Jewish state. THIS PLAN WAS ACCEPTED BY THE JEWISH PUBLIC. ARAB LEADERS REJECTED THE PLAN, AND STARTED A WAR AGAINST THE NEWLY BORN STATE, declaring that "We will sweep them the Jews into the sea". This was the Israeli Independence war, and 5 different nations attacked the newly born state, but Israel made it. Read it up, it's all in wikipedia (and history books). 2) HAMAS -WERE- APPROACHED ABOUT A CEASEFIRE. Twice. Yesterday Egypt actually released a declaration which criticized Hamas as the organization responsible for this war, because they said no for ceasefire. ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT had at least 10 different negotiations for peace in the last decade. The Palestinians rejected them all. Israel even agreed giving them the whole West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and to give up Israeli settlements, but still - the answer is no. They won't agree with the existence of a Jewish state and they want 100% of the land. Khaled Mashal, the leader of the Hamas: "Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded". The countries of the free world - US, Canada, Australia, UK, France, Germany, etc. - support Israel's right to exist. IF YOU SUPPORT HAMAS, YOU SUPPORT THE ELIMINATION OF THE JEWISH STATE.
    Ryst-117
    It's also sad when someone talks about things they only know something about
    Das_Skittles
    Not all Jews are Zionists. In fact, some the most outspoken critics of Zionism are orthodox. If you're going to post JIDF talking points, at least attempt to base them in reality instead of making shit up to support your misguided ideals.
    sideslick
    Hamas uses kidnapped women and children as human shields for their acts of terrorism. What they lack in technology, they similarly lack in moral-compass. I'm not defending Israel for their current shelling and bombing of the Gaza-strip, but I sure-as-hell won't defend Hamas. All parties are terrible.
    toxin9
    not true. hamas smuggled high tech rockets that have a 100 mile radius and more ! more than 400 missiles have been launched at israel and every day there are sirens all over israel because of the many missles hamas launches, get your facts right!
    TheWhiteKeys101
    Source?
    toxin9
    look it up. the gaza strip is at least 100, 120 kilometers far from cities it bombes so it cant be some shitty missle that doesn't hurt anything. look it up anywhere you want hamas smuggled high tech missiles from Egyp.
    TheWhiteKeys101
    You can't even spell correctly. How can I take you seriously?
    toxin9
    if you want to live in denial you are welcomed to. if you want to get educated and actually know something about this war you can simply look it up-it's true. i don't see why a few mistakes in my spelling should change what is true. IT IS A FACT THAT THESE MISSILES ARE HIGH TECH AND HAVE A VERY WIDE RADIUS OF IMPACT
    Best7
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/rocket-dea... Total fatalities in the history of rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza into Israel: 28 Already, over 100 Palestinian people have died just in this latest conflict. I think you need to realise what that difference means, before you make out its even.
    toxin9
    so you're saying that because the fatalities are low israel should just ignore being fired at? constantly? many many times everyday? would you ignore such a thing if it was happening to you?
    Best7
    What I'm saying is, Palestine do not have high tech missiles that have a very wide range of impact, as you are saying. The death toll for Palestine has now passed 500. How many Israelis have died?
    toxin9
    also it's not true that israel pick their target without accuracy. hamas uses it's citizens as human shields, firing missiles from hospitals and schools and that is also a fact! most of their leaders are in hiding and it's hard to kill them. also the israeli army notifies the citizens of a region that they are about to attack. human life is a priority but the hamas uses it and use it's citizens as human shiels.
    DishonestJohn
    1)High tech. Yeah, sure. They may have a wide radius of impact, but nothing else. Otherwise, explain me why Qassam rockets killed only less than 15 people in 14 years of "war", and 0 during the last days of bombing. How can we even call it "war", when one side suffered no deaths and the other (the side whose land was stolen, btw) cried over 200 killed, mostly civilians, often kids and women. 2)Israel doesk pick their targets. Oh, is not true? So tell me why they make a phone call (or send an sms) to the people living in the buildings they are goin' to bomb to say "hey guys, get out of the building in 30 seconds, or die". I'm with the palestinian reistance. What would you do if your land and your rights were stolen,out of the blue, by a foreign invader? Tough this, I didn't like when they use to use kamikaze attacks against civilian targets. But now, when it is about reacting with uneffective rockets to a high tech and full force bombing, well, I se only the desperate try of a people that have seen everything stolen from them (including tons of lives). So, I have no doubt about who is on the wrong side, here.
    toxin9
    the only reason israel have less casualties is because of a device located in many places in israel that shoots out their rocket. it costs about 200 thousand dollars to shoot out only one of their rockets and even then the percentage of success is pretty low and that's why property is being destroyed in israel and a man died.
    toxin9
    so you can keep filling the blanks your self and think that you are right speculating that israel is shooting gaza for fun or you can actually learn facts and here both side's story and understand that it's not so black and white. arabs are not the enemy and i want peace more than anything. hamas is the enemy. it is a fact that the arabs in the gaza strip are living in a reign of terror and they can't object their leaders. hamas uses them as human shields (as you can see in the link i posted or look it up yourself). hamas doesn't build shelters for its people. and israel can't just ignore being bombed every day. i agree that peace is the ultimate solution that everyone must act towards but peace is something both sides (most of them) want but hamas doesn't.
    INstaNt-RocK
    Uses them as human shields? Don't be absurd. Israelis tell themselves that to make themselves feel better about the fact that they're firing rockets, powerful enough to level a city block, into an area the size of Washington DC, with a population density twice as high as the centre of Rome.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Except 1) they aren't "going beserk", 2) they specifically sent out thousands of leaflets to the civilian population of Gaza, 3) Hamas routinely hides within masses of uninvolved civilians; 4) Hamas has refused all cease-fire attempts from Israel. Honestly, it sounds like you'd be doing yourself a favor listening to a CNN report on this issue for 30 minutes or something.
    SOAD94
    Fun fact: Semitic just doesn't mean Jewish. It encompasses a wide range of people from the Middle East.
    sotp
    Yes indeed, it's unfortunate that most people aren't aware of this fact.
    eclecticragnar
    It's wrong that whenever someone criticises Israel they get called anti-Semitic. Not everyone who is Jewish is Israeli and not everyone who is Israeli is Jewish. Vedder is right to speak up. He's not stirring hate, he's just criticising a government.
    Jazz1992
    It's disgusting really, you say one word against the political agenda of Israel (note: political agenda, not the people), and they immediately try to brand you as an antisemite. Also, in Israel, is being anti-war = being antisemite? Because he did not side with anyone in that conflict, he's against the conflict in the first place for f**k's sake.
    shutupandsee
    Nobody said he's anti-Semitic. People said so against Roger Waters because he put a Star of David on a pig and wore Nazi-like clothes while doing so.
    dewitt
    I'm pretty sure it's a combination of his views on the matter mixed with the fact that he said the land doesn't belong to them. If he says it's not their land, he's saying their religious beliefs are wrong (which could be accurate but is still an incredibly generous assessment... he surely is speaking in geographic and worldly matters, not religious land grants).
    The_Wilrus
    Am I missing something but I don't think Vedder mentions Isreal at any moment in the above "rant". Everyone else seems to be jumping to these conclusions in an effort to defend what ever war they are behind.
    shutupandsee
    It's the Hamas who doesn't wants the cease-fire. The leaders of the Hamas and PLO, who started the war, are using the money they get from the war to stay even more days in the most expansive hotel they found and to get more lands at ridiculous prices just so they could get more money. And at what price? Their own citizens. If fingers has to be pointed at, it's the Hamas and PLO. And their weaponry is much more advanced then you think, just a few days ago they sent an unmaned-drone into Israel but luckily the IDF succeeded to shoot it down. The IDF aborts most of the attacks due to seeing non-hostile people. Why are those people there? Because the Hamas told them. They hold them from their balls. They are calling their citizens to do so, forcing them. And don't get me wrong, I don't want any side to suffer from anything.
    INstaNt-RocK
    Spoken like someone whose knowledge of the issue stretches as far as the newspaper headlines.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Oh, brother. If you studied the history of this particular conflict, INstaNt-RocK, you would know he is right.
    Manlygaga
    I will respect every opinion as long as they know these 3 basic facts: -Hamas are terrorist; they want Israel dead and won't mind killing you guys as well. -They are hiding in civilian lands, hospitals, houses and basically use everyone they can as human shields so that every assault against them will result in killing innocent people and cause the media to riot. Look it up: Hamas built thier bunker under the Shifra hospital in Gaza. -Before bombing, Israel usually gives the civilians a notice in advance (by dropping fliers and recenlty by taking over local radio stations) , Hamas threatens to kill them if they leave. As long as you can keep your arguments consistent with these facts, they are indeed valid and worthy of hearing. If you can find a way to stop Hamas peacfully I wont LOVE to hear it, I would love that way to actually exist so that this whole story could end without more suffering. I am an Israeli civilian and personally i believe that Eddie was being more anti war than anti Israel. He is absolutry right, merciless killing of innocents should be stopped, but it cannot be stopped as long as these terrorists rule Gaza and I dont think that Eddie realises the full depth of this situation. Here hoping you wont base my entire arguement on the claim of one sideness... Cheers
    Ryst-117
    Ignoring the issues with your facts... It's worth to note why this conflict initially started. Supposedly to save the kidnapped Israeli boys, yet it's now been admitted that they knew the boys were dead even as they went in so heavy handedly to the Gaza strip to save them. By the time this was realised on wider spread the killing had begun and it's descended into reprisals, tit for tat, and media panic once more.
    the_hoodster
    Vedder doesn't even mention Israel
    TheLiberation
    I actually think a lot of the time the Islamic terrorists are the first cause of the violence in Israel/Palestine, but if he did not even say anything about Israel and they were the first one to protest, the first thing that comes to my mind is "guilty conscience". I barely know the band or the man to be honest, but in my opinion what he said is one of the smartest and truest things I've read in a while.
    third(-)eye
    Exactly. He didn't call out either side. He just ****ing said "man, I wish people would stop killing each other." Who can't get behind that?
    TheLiberation
    Hardline conservatists (of any variety, whether in suits or wielding AK47s, they're not very different), apparently. Either side seems to have plenty of those, which is why peace seems so far away there, and everywhere where such nutcases reach power.
    bradd101
    Vedder all the way! It's absolutely atrocious what's happening in Israel and the Israeli response to what he's said is absolutely f***ing pathetic. I come from England and because of the minority of fascist a**holes, there's a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment over here, but hell, look at what's being done to them as well. People are stuck in situations they don't want to be in 'cos small sects of complete psychopaths think they represent Islam or Judaism or whatever faith. F**k it man, there's more people who want a happy world than there are those who want the sh*t one that so many people choose to believe we're in (there's good and bad, we're not in Utopia by a long shot, but we're not the apocalyptic wasteland some choose to view the world as). Rant over
    Vinushka
    "Anti-War Rant", not "Anti-Israel Rant". Sounds like a case of guilty conscience for those criticising him.
    DracoSerpenis
    So now he's going to be attacked as anti-Semitic, just like Roger Waters and everyone else who criticizes Israel. Though with all the f-bombs, he sounds more like Ozzy to me, lol! "What the f--king f--k?" Way to express yourself, Ed!
    zalant
    I think the F-bombs might have been the wine talking, but the rest of it was his heart.
    jerrybronham
    Who gives a shit if you're pro-israel or pro-palestine. This conflict is stupid and a further indication that humans are still primitive and incapable of compromise. This is garbage.
    lou.tjahjono
    He's right. Too many people have died, the conflict have dragged on for too long. It's no longer Israel vs. Palestine/Hamas, or Jews vs. Muslims, but it's a greater cause than that. It's all about the greed of humanity and warmongering terrorists and politicians on both sides. If both sides really wanted a peaceful resolution they would've found one a long time ago.
    toxin9
    well wtf do you know? do you really know whats going on in israel? have you listened to both sides? hamas is a terror organization that controls the people of gaza and calls for the destruction of israel. most people of gaza don't want hamas as their ruler but they have no choice. this conflict is being controlled by fanatic people on both ends. it doesn't mean that both sides don't want peace and it's not so black and white. it is the most complicated conflict in the world and everyone claim to have the solution for it. it's not that simple! if you want to contribute to the change you need to take action! hear what both sides have to say and know the history and then do something about it, not just complain about it in a show or do a boycott. look at the israeli band orphaned land, they have muslim fans and arab fans and israeli fans and the try to get communication between the different groups and create a friendship. much more effective then to boycott a country before you even know what both sides are saying
    shwilly
    You're confusing Eddie with Roger Waters Waters -> called for a boycott after deeming the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli government unfair and illegal Vedder -> never called for any boycott (there's lots of places they haven't played yet). He did hold a speech which was perceived by some Israeli fans and whatnot as hurtful to the Israeli cause, including the DJ who wanted to bring Pearl Jam to Israel (up until now that is) I'd hate to tell him this but if the guy thinks a pacifist stance such as the one expressed by Vedder is enough to renounce his support for a particular band or artist, he might be in for a tough ride...
    toxin9
    not true he was supposed to come to israel but he cancelled because of rogers boycott. also i don't see reason to complain about it when you didn't hear both sides and that you aren't doing anything to change it in a real way besides boycott. boycott doesn't help in anyway it doesn't bring people together and does the opposite
    shwilly
    Pearl Jam has never scheduled or cancelled a show in Israel Here's what that Ben Red-guy -who's obviously spent a lot of time looking into this- said concerning the whole issue: "We don't know what their position is exactly. What we do know is that Waters had a conversation with [Pearl Jam lead singer Eddie] Vedder and wielded influence. The other band members wanted to come to Israel. They weren't opposed. I believe that eventually they will come here, and we got real close [to getting them here]. " So there you go, that's the only source: people speculating about Waters 'wielding influence' over other artists. No sh*t that they've had a conversation, they have appeared on the same stage in the past. Until Vedder admits he's actively boycotting the Israeli government (which believe me, he'll end up saying if that's the case because what's the point of boycotting someone to achieve political change if you're not gonna tell anyone about it) I call BS
    toxin9
    it all comes to this. if his country was being bombed every day wouldn't he want that his country will do something about it? im not saying that the conflict shouldn't end. there are many many people on both sides that want peace but it not that simple and of course no one wants war but if you're being bombed every day you can't just ignore it
    shwilly
    If my country (Holland) was being bombed by a neighboring country (say, Belgium, slight chuckle) I can imagine why many people over here would want my government to retaliate and launch a bunch of missiles towards Brussels. But no matter how understandable those feelings might be -it's only human to hold a grudge towards a perceived common enemy- they cannot be justified by arguments such as "but they started it" or "they're terrorists, we're the good guys" Now you might argue that the Israeli army is only aiming for 'military targets' whereas Hamas are firing blindly into Israeli territory, but the reality is that Israel only suffered its first casualty yesterday. The death toll on the Palestinian side by now has probably risen above 200. And as always, that includes many innocent victims, as well as women, children, you name it You have to be WAY DEEP into the political side of the conflict to completely ignore the humanitarian aspects. The kind of reasoning you're using to rationalize these actions ("if your country was being bombed...") is exactly what's causing the people of Gaza so much misery: many of them are so fed up with Israel they want Hamas to continue launching grenades over the border, no matter how useless that strategy is proving. If they'd stopped doing so Israel would have no excuse to continue launching rockets into Palestinian territory So in the end, I REALLY don't see how a general plea to end all of this bullsh*t violence (not just in Israel but all over the globe) could be perceived as an attack on the people of Israel. You'd almost have to be a warmonger to dismiss Eddie's words as ill conceived or hateful
    toxin9
    first of all i don't think eddie's words are hateful i think he discusses something he doesn't know well enough or saying who's the bad guy without hearing both sides. also let's get something clear: it is a FACT that hamas is a terror organization and that the citizens of the gaza strip are living in terror and they can't object or choose new ruler. hamas has never installed one shelter for it's people and it is A FACT that hamas uses his citizens as human shields. you are very very right to say that this war is a tragedy and i weep for every arab in the strip that died because of israely fire. but the number of casualties is so large mostly because of hamas, shooting it's missiles from hospitals and schools (also a fact) they always say that because the israeli army prefers life then hamas prefers death and are not afraid to kill their citizens for any kind of advantage. so does israel really supposed to ignore the hundreds of missiles that hamas is shooting every day? im just saying that everything isn't so black and white. i think that this conflict is being controlled by fanatic people and that most arabs want peace (but they cant stand up to their rule) and most israelies also want peace. the death toll is tragic but hamas refuses to cease fire, they don't care their citizens are dying and they think that because israel cares it makes israel week. all that needs to be done to end the death of many people is for hamas to cease fire. israel tried multiple times to cease fire but hamas wouldn't cooperate. so does israel not have the right to defend itself somehow?
    Regression
    Not once does he say who's the "bad guy". Try take a step back, you're obviously deeply involved and taking this far too personally. All Eddie is saying is that we should resolve conflict without bloodshed. You will tell me it's not that simple, and that's true. At the same time, what has war achieved? Nothing so far, just unnecessary deaths. War is not the solution and is only going to hurt everyone involved.
    toxin9
    i agree that war is not a solution and that peace is the ultimate solution but what choice do israel have if hamas is shooting hundreds of rocket at them? the solution in this case (and this case alone the total solution should definitely be peace) is to act against hamas and to ask for a cease fire but they don't want to cease fire and they don't care about their citizens
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    shwilly
    You focus on the moral justification of these actions but I don't really see the point: no sane person will argue that Hamas as an organisation is made up out of boy scouts and nursing home volunteers primarily. What I fail to see however is how bombing Gaza is contributing to a solution of this conflict in ANY way, both in the short and long term. The more people lose their homes, friends and relatives, the more animosity there will be towards the state of Israel (not just from Palestinians but from anyone who remotely cares about their fate) Call me naive but it is my sincere believe that if the Israeli government REALLY wished for a peaceful two state solution it would take a vastly different approach. I think the international community would be a lot more understanding if what they saw was a succession of administrations really reaching out to the other side, instead of allowing for settlers to occupy territory assigned to the Palestinians, denying aid to be shipped into the West Bank, dismissing critical voices as anti-Israeli (or doing little to prevent them from being harassed)... No I don't disagree that Hamas is the morally inferior party in this conflict by far. But it's pretty clear who the dominant side is, both in numbers, military capacity, international support, etc., and that's how it has been for many, many years. Bringing up arguments about self-defense will only get you to a certain point. People have come to expect more from Israel since the 1990's peace talks
    toxin9
    i think that people that are dismissing critical voices as anti israeli are stupid and i don't think it's true. second of all, a peaceful solution is not connected to hamas for they are a terror organization. it's connected to the palestinians but not to hamas. im not saying that bombing gaza is contributing to a solution of this conflict but when hamas shoots out hundreds of rockets i don't really see any way to react differently. when an enemy shoots rockets at you you can't talk to him about peace YET , you need to get both sides to cease fire and then try to negotiate but hamas don't agree. all im saying is that peace is not something you can acheive with the hamas and that negotiation is something to do with the official Palestinian representation and not a terror group. so when talking about whether you should shoot rockets at gaza peace is not an issue because hamas doesn't cooperate. all i said was that because they keep launching missiles the only thing you can do is defend yourself and ask for a cease fire. they refuse time after time to cease fire so there's not much israel can do in that aspect.
    toxin9
    in the peace aspect i too think that israel's government should act for peace i want peace in the middle east and i believe the palestinians have a right to have their own land but that doesn't concern the conflict with hamas. hamas needs to stop their terror and allow the arab people and the israeli people to live in peace and then bridge between the 2 groups and create peace
    ehbacon
    "Eddie Vedder, your true face is finally being revealed. You are invited not to come here. I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing Pearl Jam to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are,"this guy must be new...
    third(-)eye
    >"Expose who you really are" What, a peace-mongerer? I'm sure he's quaking in his boots.
    smalRaptor
    I don't know why they are upset because he'd say this. As a US Soldier, I am pretty f***ng tired of going to war. I get tired of watching get killed by their countrymen for what they believe in, for wanting to be educated, for wanting more in life. These shitty countries need to get their heads out of their asses and think about the future, and stop with all this insane religious BS. Really, everyone needs to smoke a bowl and talk about life, and finally realize how much we have in common over a bag of Dorito's and a mountain dew.
    jeffo46
    I am a retired veteran who served 28 years in the US Navy and I for one am sick and tired of all forms of war , no matter who, what, or where it is taking place. The ones who generally suffer the most because of either religious zealouts , greedy businessmen, or corrupt warmongering politicians, are usually the women and children . The U.S. has been constantly at war since 2002 because of the Bush administration, which lied not only to the American Public, but also to the entire world as well. Because of that , we have lost close to 5,000 or more in battle and not to mention the countless innocents who have been killed in both Iraq and Afghanistan as well. To think that we are also allies with Israel who IMO , is a bully to the Palestinian people ,makes me sick to my stomach as well. Does that mean I support organizations like HAMAS or Al-Quaida, no it doesn't because they are nothing more than a bunch of fanatics who use religion as a excuse to go and murder innocents. I would just like to see one generation without any war, is that too much to ask for ?
    smalRaptor
    It does, Bit64. Really, we all need to chill out and start cooperating, and it can easily start at home. How many of us even know our neighbors anymore? When was the last time you helped someone out just because you could, not because there was anything in it for you. I don't know, maybe the army just turned me into a hippie. Gonna go play my Minarik and listen to some Coheed
    RATMfan420
    People "called him out"? Dafuq did they say? "ERH MAH GERD HE SAID STOP WAR WHAT A LUNATIC!"
    FenderMaster
    Many Israelis don't like it when you voice moral concerns about what their government and military is doing. Yes tehy have the right to defend themselves, but they're clearly provoking militants into atatcking Isreal through heavy handed collective punishments to the crimes committed by individuals, witholding taxes, illegal annexation, settlement building and violation of UN law (Israel is a UN member). Hamas need to go, but Israel cannot be the ones to do so. So far over 200 Palestinians (80% civilians) have been killed in recent weeks to just one Israeli (probably a soldier). Just the other day 5 boys playing on a beach were bombed, 4 are now dead. You can't force people not to question these things, and you can't force them to favour your side. All you can do is present them with the facts and hope that they will follow their own moral compass. Shame on anyone who tries to threaten or coerce people into not voicing their ethical opinions about a war.
    venom1stas
    So when US ****ed up Iraq, with hundreds still dying to this day as a direct result its OK to forget all about that, climb on the old imperialistic chair of moral highground and point fingers at other countries merely defending their people and territory?
    dan0z
    Eddie never even mentioned Israel in his letter (there is more than one serious conflict happening in the world right now). It would seem those with a guilty conscience about what has been happening are getting on the defensive.
    jjclaws
    Where was the ****ing problem with what he said. It was a heart felt anti war speech. You don't have to live in a war zone to have feelings about the subject. Some ****ing people... Jesus!!!
    Carl LOG
    He said what he thought, I agree with what he thought, and he should be ****ing respected for it. He couldn't be more right.
    alexcorreia
    Just the DJ Ben Red gets annoyed that someone is sick of the stupid religious wars. News Flash, the entire world is sick of that stupid war and war in general, Eddie is right, **** your ****ing wars.
    notaconotaco
    I could solve this whole conflict with three little words: "God isn't real!!!!"
    N7Crazy
    -tips fedora- Seriously, that has little to do with the core of the conflict, so even if the entirety of the middle east became atheistic, hardly anything would change (in regards to the palenstine/israel conflict). Religious reasoning is in this case just a tool to drum up more people to support one self to fight the other. There are many other tools just as, if not more effective which are much harder, in some cases impossible to dismiss (fx. recent history). It's foolish to assume that the removal of a mere tool would resolve an entire conflict.
    Icky101
    Just cuz you personally don't believe in a deity of any sort doesn't mean u gotta force that on other people man. Let them find their own convictions. Don't be an uppity douche just cuz you don't feel the need to subscribe to theistic thought.
    zalant
    Throughout history, people have killed one another over religious beliefs. Sure, they would probably kill each other over money, power, land, etc., but at least we can prove that those other objectives exist. Why fight over something that is not at least tangible? I'm not for fighting at all, over anything, but notaconotaco is making a case for eliminiating one very large excuse/reason for many of the wars/conflicts in human history.
    Icky101
    You are one of the most intolerant idealistic dumb asses on the internet if you really believe that. (Bring on the hate neckbeards)
    zalant
    Where's my intolerance? What did I say that makes you believe I'm intolerant? (...and on the entire Internet, wow!) Are you denying that blood has been shed in the name of religion? I didn't say that it was the only thing over which people fight. You seem, perhaps, a bit touchy on the subject. Would you fight or kill someone based on your religion? Does it make you feel better to call someone names? And what in the world is inherently wrong with being idealistic? If one has no ideals, then there's nothing to strive for.
    Icky101
    You were agreeing that we should just ban religion for everyone, that's extremely intolerant. And there's a difference between rational idealism and unrealistic idealism, the latter of which is displayed in the idea banning religion would have a significant impact on stopping future wars.
    Kueller917
    I don't believe he was forcing that belief on anyone? Just saying he thinks lack of religion would cease that area of violence. Debatable of course as there's a lot of other factors.
    stoltobot
    Unfortunately the people using the excuse of the bearded sky-fairy would simply find another reason to drum up hate for the 'other' to distract the masses from their power grab. "Hey, immigrant children on buses, over there!! Get 'em, now!! (while I rob you and them blind)".
    edgeyyz
    War - what is it good for?
    zalant
    It's good for population control and lining the pockets of the rich and powerful, and those who manufacture bobms, rockets, missiles, fighter planes, bombers, etc. (I know it was a rhetorical question, but I just couldn't help myself.)
    will.d9
    I was there, Eddie reminded me of Hitler...but y'know, basically the polar opposite
    LeperDog
    So technically Israeli fans are not mad at their ****ing government killing hundreds of innocent Palestinians, but they're mad at Vedder for calling them out on it? :/
    jamesrulesmetal
    As poster # 1 says above: FUCK WAR! The vast majority of us in our world surely want peace. I don't follow the news, I don't know who's involved, I don't wanna point the finger and say whose fault it supposedly is, I would simply like to see it all CEASE. \m/
    Juice Face
    "Fuck war, just love each other!" "You are not welcome in our country, you are terrible person." That whole region of the world is a lost ****ing cause. I'm so sick of hearing about turmoil in the middle east. If they see peaceful discourse as a gigantic controversy, they don't deserve to assimilate into the first world.
    arabmetallion
    Its like when an armed gunman (Hamas) is holding a person hostage and the policeman (Israel) decides to shoot both the hostage and the gunman. Israel deems the loss of innocent Palestinian civilians to be smaller than the loss it would be to let certain hamas militants live. All this does is create unnecessary bloodshed, furthers tension between both sides and fuels hatred for Israel. In short, Nethanyahu is a war mongering moron.
    Jmoarguitar
    Good on you to speak your mind Eddie. Just because Israel is allies with the West does not make them right. If it was any other country interfering with another state's sovereignty USA would be dropping bombs by now.
    svgenderen
    So because Ed is against war, he is not allowed to get in to Israel according to (former) fans and a DJ? Wtf?
    Jwestling
    OMG Eddie Vedder is "under fire" for saying he don't want anymore wars? Guess the old motto is really true "the more innocent kids murdered in war the better"
    slash_015
    There was always war and propably always will. There are two things which, for some fukcheads in the upper 10.000, are more important than a humans life: Money and power. Maybe we get a new chance, when the old generation is finally dead. Peace
    emc
    the fact of the matter is, as long as religion exists, there will always be conflict in Israel/Palestine. The basis of each sides claim to the land is fundamentally religious. I lived in northern Israel for a year, when Hafez Al-Assad died. Whenever I met someone for the first time, their first question was "which country are you from?" followed swiftly by "what is your faith?". Not "how are you doing? Pleased to meet you" etc. They attain your nationality and creed and then proceed once they know "you're ok". What a messed up place... such a tragedy
    coco-axeman
    Sad that we still feel the need to explain and rationalize. Anyone who attempts to attack and hurt civilians in any capacity is doing something wrong.
    ChaosStreams
    Eddie's drunk, just sayin...
    zalant
    Oh yeah. Without a doubt. Doesn't take away from the message, though. He'd say the same thing stone sober, but maybe with a few less f-bombs. Love that man!
    Wisthler
    Im really curious to hear the on statements does those people base their attacks towards Eddie... like really he is not talking in a way that you have to read between lines. for ****s sake he was speaking very loud and clear, not covering the lyrics of a song from Tool or shit like that.