Pirate Bay Moves To The Cloud

The Pirate Bay claims its new cloud service is effectively invincible from the authorities. But is this a bad thing for the future of music, or will the authorities eventually defeat piracy?

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The Pirate Bay has taken drastic new measures to defend itself from future raids.

It claims to have moved its servers to "the cloud", meaning it will move between servers around the world rather than staying in one static location, and says the move will save it money and make it harder for law-enforcement to take the service down.

"All attempts to attack [us] from now on is an attack on everything and nothing," said a Pirate Bay spokesperson (via BBC).

The site which has been an emblem of torrent culture has been raided several times over the years. In 2006, police in Sweden shut down several servers which took the site offline. A similar raid early this month targeted a hosting service favored by torrent sites and founded by the team behind the pirate bay.

The new cloud-based hosting means its content does not have to be hosted by the same provider or even on the same continent, making it much harder for authorities to target where its core data is at any one time.

"The hosting providers have no idea that they're hosting The Pirate Bay, and even in the event they found out it would be impossible for them to gather data on the users," it said.

"If the police decide to raid us again there are no servers to take, just a transit router. If they follow the trail to the next country and find the load balancer, there is just a disk-less server there. In case they find out where the cloud provider is, all they can get are encrypted disk-images."

Is piracy invincible, or will the authorities eventually catch up? Is there hope for the music industry if the law shuts down pirate services? Let us know your thoughts and predictions in the comments.

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    JimBonJovi
    One of the groups against the planet's monetary system and I'm all aboard with it!
    sugeci
    RIP good music
    redarno
    da **** do you mean?
    ThatFlyingThing
    He means that the artists are getting boned on a galactic scale because they aren't collecting royalties every time someone downloads their album - which is the truth. I just hope that legal alternatives like Spotify will prevail at the end of the day: people get free music, AND the artists get their royalties; everybody wins.
    Wininacan
    This is a stupid notion. Record companies sign you on contracts where you get pennies off your CD sales, snd you are in debt with the record company after recording. You are not hurting artists you are hurting record companies. Artists get their main revenue from live performance, and free distribution of your music means more people show up to your gig, and that means more money for the artists and less money for the record companies that churn out the same shitty music constantly.
    Wininacan
    Also, how have you not noticed its always the record companies that try to fight piracy and not artists, only huge independent artists that are already rich fight piracy.
    Shayne777
    this brought a smile to my face I don't feel guilty for downloading music cause half the bands I love I found through 'piracy' I've more then paid back those artist by buying concert tickets and any vinyl I can get my hands on so I'd say we're even
    bharathrk95
    You are one person who does this , but there are a lot of others who download it illegally and don't buy it afterwards , even if they like it.
    deathofarev
    Amen sir, amen. only cuz this is also how I work.
    kingsneverdie
    Yup... it's the 'try before you buy' mentality.
    itsgoodtobefree
    What about video sites like Youtube though? It's the same "try before you buy" mentality that you're talking about, except you're not doing anything illegal.
    Pad Mast3rs
    In Germany you can not watch al lot of Videos because of the GEMA (copyright organization) for example everything that belongs to Sony cant be watched.
    tyler_j
    Not all bands are on youtube though. And while one could argue that if a band isn't on youtube, they're not likely to be found on a pirate site, copyright restrictions do mean that many potential fans in many countries are unable to find material for many bands.
    link no1
    Nothing wrong with 'try before you buy' as long as you actually buy it if you liked it. Same as a car, you can take it for a test drive but you have to pay for it to own it, otherwise your ass goes to jail.
    PnT
    Please, don't mix copyright infringement with stealing or virtual goods with physical goods. It's a whole different world.
    Bigmouth93
    People saying downloading music illegally is fine because you support the bands with concert tickets and march.... You're absolutely right! Bands don't make their money from album sales anymore, they make much more from merch and gigging. The labels are the ones that get sales money. It used to be that tours supported the album, but now labels have made it so the album is supporting the tour for the band.
    Lil' Pookie
    I steal music all the time. but if I like the music I'll be more than happy to give my cash directly to the band. I stole all three Drowning Men CD's (total band loss:$40) but since I found them I've seen them in concert 4 times bought 2 shirts, bought all 3 CDs at the show where all my cash goes straight to them not to the record company/record store (total band gain:$160) I can say the same about a few other bands I found by stealing their music initially
    GMPX
    There has been numerous bands that I would not have taken the risk of a $25 CD purchase, but I have downloaded some of their albums. Nearly every one of them I've subsequently gone to see live and purchased merchandise at the show. Pretty sure the 1 dollar they would get from the record company from me buying the CD would be outweighed by the $50 concert ticket and $35 t-shirt purchased at the show (which I would not have gone to without downloading the albums). The record companies hate downloads, but for bands I don't think it's as bad a situation as people make out.
    Slaytan666
    Why fight cancer when you can fight illegal downloading?
    kozmo4200
    seriously, such a waste of time. stores have the new electronic shit on everything to prevent stealing, yet shoplifting still happens.
    Carl LOG
    I never bought an album in my whole life :| and I have loads on my itunes... I'm doing a music course in college now and when we were discussing illegal downloading I started feeling really bad for what I'm doing.. thing is I don't have the money!! ;/
    pantallica87
    I stopped downloading a long time ago. I support "live music" by buying the bands merch and concert tickets. Besides the CD's sound quality is always better than ripped off mp3's.
    metalfr3ak666
    On the contrary, there are quite a few lossless files on TPB. Torrents aren't illegal, in fact I'd prefer buying an album then downloading it off a Bittorrent client than through iTunes.
    dandan120
    I think eventually the industry will collapse either because piracy is directly affecting it or because the industry thinks piracy is affecting it (or a combination of the two). When that happens, music piracy will be nothing and bands will only play live shows with the occasional album being released. Which may work out better for new bands to start and a better income for them (as by then record labels would be forced to pay more or not exist) Of course this may take many years to manifest itself yet. I'm betting on 8 years.
    AcousticMetal99
    Really disagree with that. Sure, big labels might decline, but bands are going to just stop recording. If they only played live shows, they'd only attract a few people, perhaps in a small area, unless they tour a huge area. There are lots of people out there who record their own songs or covers of songs. Some of those sound quite professional. People won't stop recording music and putting it out there.
    millarso
    If established bands don't want their music ripped off, they should all just do independent releases through Kickstarter projects. They know they will at least make the money to produce the album that way (oftentimes more so they can put it towards living on tour) and it causes them to put out a better product because they have fan support and trust. I have heard some great kickstarter releases since it started happening more. It's the new wave.
    .:!j.man!:.
    This is one of the few times where all members of UG can join together and be happy! xD
    boomershadow
    I blame the Katy Perry and Lady Gaga domination of the airwaves and the blatant ripoff tactics of major label record deals WAYYYY more for the declining income of real artists than I do the website that introduced me to so many of their amazing albums.
    nanaya
    Even then, people still buy albums for the singles and not for the whole record.
    axelgarcia1
    i download. i may not like it, but i can't buy every artists' every single CD. i do proudly buy CDs when i have disposable income. and by downloading i can fully enjoy concerts because i'll actually know the songs.
    TunerAddict
    Research out of Columbia University actually found that people that pirate music actually buy 30% more music than those who don't pirate it.
    Macabre_Turtle
    Correlation =/= causation.
    TunerAddict
    Didn't say there was causation.
    TunerAddict
    All I did was mention that there was a relationship. I never noted any causal mechanism. Seriously, I get you think you're really smart and what not by dragging out that ole' line, but you really should research who you're posting that bullshit in response to.
    Anjohl
    Dedicated lot. This seems expensive, do torrent sites make a lot?
    beineken
    millions in advertising. that's what disgusts me about how piracy functions. artists get absolute nadda while companies like TPB and even google for their ads make tons of cash off of their music.
    animemetalhead
    Do what I do to support your bands. Download the "single", and if you like it, buy the full album. Enough said.
    sn00ze
    Or download whole album -> like it? buy it / don't like it? delete it.
    kozmo4200
    Or you could buy the album and if you dont like it your out the money. Take a damn chance.
    Geldin
    I'm not a big fan of ripping off artists and stealing music, but these guys are lovable if only for their tenacity. I can't help but respect their commitment to Pirate Bay.
    beineken
    yes, much respect for the tenacity. they have to EVENTUALLY get caught though, and when they do, wow are they completely fooked. i guess it's easy to be tenacious when a life in prison is the motivator lol
    Macabre_Turtle
    I'm not bashing music piracy, and I certainly use The Pirate Bay myself, but the excuse that "I wouldn't have found them otherwise" is bullshit. Youtube is a thing, and you really probably found them there before you went to The Pirate Bay. I know I don't waste my time downloading from a band I don't Youtube first.
    ADomenick91092
    Youtube doesn't have everything. It's also not very helpful for discovering lesser-known music since you wouldn't know the name of a band that you haven't discovered yet. LastFM helps with finding artists that are similar to your tastes, but a few 20-30 second clips isn't enough to justify buying a full album. Especially for those that prefer buying physical copies - which are more expensive - instead of digital.
    Macabre_Turtle
    Youtube doesn't have everything. But it has well over 99% of everything, and nobody downloads music from torrents that they didn't discover on something like Youtube or LastFM first. Anybody pretending they discovered a band because of piracy ever since the creation of Youtube is full of shit. Maybe the download helped you get more into a band, sure, but nobody discovers music because of piracy.
    Kueller917
    It's part of it though. I mean you hear about the band on YouTube but unless you actually hear more of them you're not going to be a big fan. If I hear a band on YouTube/last.fm/any recommendation I like I'll check their website for any album stream and if not it's off to the download sites. I did that recently for a band. Ended up seeing them live soon after, got their CD at the venue and got it signed by the guitarist. So no, you don't discover on first listen from piracy, but it can help. It can harm, but it also can help.
    oftenbanned.
    You tube is for the most a form of advertisement. If I like a band or want to find out about one its right there. I agree that uploading things on You Tube is illegal but it opens peoples eyes to so many new things. The industry needs to look at You Tube in a different light.
    mckenna64
    Music on Youtube for the most part is also illegal, unless it is uploaded by the label, which most times they don't. They usually release music videos or a single song before the album releases. At this point the music industry need to stop going after those that download, and start finding a way to make music more attractive to consumers. Whether they start adopting subscription models like Spotify, lower CD prices or even start up their own iTunes like service is up to them. I don't think trying to shut down Piratebay, incorporating DRM and suing 12 year old Sally who downloaded a Justin Bieber song is going to get them anywhere.
    Macabre_Turtle
    Uploading other people's music on Youtube is illegal. Listening to it is not. And yes, I agree, make cd's affordable and you'll solve a lot of problems.
    mckenna64
    I was pointing out that you are still accessing music that is illegally uploaded for the most part. So, the phrase "I wouldn't have found them otherwise" has some truth to it, even for you as the labels are failing to make music available from bands to discover. If users couldn't upload music then you would only have the radio, or the odd music video available. I think this is why a Spotify service is so important, as they can have advertisements, have control over the content so people can't download, and have a recommended section for whatever band you are listening too. Unfortunately the labels seem to be against Spotify, so they think trying to turn back time to the 80's is the way forward.
    Macabre_Turtle
    It's worth noting that the illegally uploaded videos typically end up getting ads put on them that give money to the owners. Like my guitar cover videos that aren't technically allowed on Youtube. They just put ads on them that pay the artists.
    sacredsanity08
    Those ads make youtube money, not the artist. Youtube doesnt just pay the difference because the video is technically illegal
    Galfadez
    All pirate bay has done is make good bands more successful. I just spent $400 on tickets for a particular band, which obviously benefits the band more than buying a CD would. If pirate bay didn't exist I wouldn't have spent that money...
    Sonicgogo
    The problem isn't the bands losing money. It's the record companies losing money. If the record companies were doin fine I highly doubt there would be such a fuss over music piracy at all.
    purplexing
    Then why is the income of artists going down? Furthermore there's no possible way to prove that you wouldn't have spent that money. Don't rationalize your shitty actions and try to make it seem as if it benefits the artists. It doesn't.
    sacredsanity08
    It doesn't help that the band only recieves 25 cents or so from each cd sold versus the 50 percent cut of the sales that the RIAA recieves to fund anti piracy. I refuse to buy cd's new for this reason. I support my local used shop and dont support the RIAA and their crusade. If I download something and like it i'll go buy it from them if they have it. If they dont they do everything they can to find it for me.
    third(-)eye
    The shit ton of artists that would never have gotten exposure without it say otherwise.
    Slaytan666
    Seriously! I went to a show for a melodic/technical death band called Revocation that I found online. I had to d/l their albums, since I couldn't find them here. I went to the show and bought a pile of merch. I also have turned several friends on to them, who are buying their stuff as well. Not to mention the free advertising I'm doing. I figure they won't care that I 'stole' their music.
    forsaknazrael
    Sorry, but artists get waaaaay shafted by record companies these days. if income is going down, it's because of a broken industry. things like iTunes and other track by track download services kill the art of the album, and promote sales of singles are more than ever. and at smaller prices like a dollar per song, i'm pretty sure that after service fees and whatnot, artists get a hell of a lot less for their music.
    oftenbanned.
    But why would I buy an album with only 3 or 4 good songs on it. The industry has done this for far too long. Why would I spend 20 bucks for only 3 songs. I am not saying all artist do this but it cuts down on the b.s Don't sell me an album of filler and only a few good songs.
    MadeNotBorn
    With this mentality you also miss out on the other songs that are on the album you would have possibly enjoyed.
    rockonneil
    Clearly the bands suffer somewhat from lack of CD sales. I can think of a couple of common sense arguments though that would contribute to the lack of income: 1.) The average CD price used to be about $20 if memory serves me right. Now with iTunes selling most songs at $1 each, the cost of that same CD was forced to drop down into the $10-$12 range. 2.) Point to the decline of rock music from popularity. I'm preaching to the rock choir here, but I don't think many would disagree that there is a much stronger following in other genre's of music relative to rock now than there was in the past. Granted, none of this is backed by fact, simply observation.
    TomWhaley
    As somebody who works at a record store, our average CD prices for NEW CDs are $10.99-$14.99. $16.99 for Deluxe Editions. However, our used CDs start as low as $1.99. Your average of $20 is a little high.
    jonthomas83
    The weird thing is, purchasing "Used" CD contributes no money back to the bands/artists. So a collector who has an entire collection of purchased "Used" CD's has contributed nothing (through that particular purchase) to the bands/artists who's CD's they own.
    Pad Mast3rs
    I think you have to mention that CD Sales are very important in order for the band getting an opportunity to tour. In sense of getting sponsors etc..
    purplexing
    And why is the price CDs going down? Maybe as a way to encourage music purchases instead of illegal downloads.
    Scourge441
    Most people have switched to downloading single songs instead of buying albums, downloaded or not. Back before piracy, if you wanted the hit song you heard on the radio, you either had to track down the CD single (which took a lot more effort) or you had to buy the whole album, which may contain that one hit single and 10-12 garbage filler songs. iTunes has shifted the market from album sales to single sales. Major record labels are paying for 10-15 song albums to be recorded, and most listeners are only buying the radio singles. That's a crapload of money wasted there. Most of the artists who still sell full-length albums are of the underground variety, and that's where the album will continue to thrive. But in the mainstream it's the hit single that's king, and I'm surprised the industry hasn't done more to capitalize on that.
    JMV12
    I've been thinking the same thing for a while. People just got tired of getting r@ped by the labels, who were only concerned with getting their pockets full instead of promoting good music. Now, at least it's much easier for someone to find info on a band they're getting to like than it was 10 or 15 years ago. Back then, your best bet was some obscure internet forum, or a service like Music Match or Napster. Dark days, indeed.
    Anarchy66
    The way I see it is as someone said above Its not the bands losing money its the record companies that already rip bands off losing the money. The bands make the money from touring. I buy merch and tickets to see bands I like. I feel as if thats more of a way to support the band directly. Besides I can never find half the cd's I would want at a store with all the pop/rap dominance
    Dannystrumpop
    I could delve into the whole for and against piracy and jiving back and forth over if it's stealing or not...but I'd rather state my concern the logo looks more like the Pirate Tooth.
    cheesecakes4
    I can't confirm nor denie the postulation that the income of artists are going down. It is also beside my point, because I do not think it matters how much they are paid. Music have always been here, and if the artists once again will have to spend ressources on what they love most (music), then I am more than happy to welcome back that era. There is absolutly NO incitament to believe that if everyone started pirating, no music would be made. It is simply nonsense. The artists who actually care about the music more than what it gives them, will just be able to reclaim their rightfull place in the spotlight, as everyone else would stop making music. However, this does not mean that certain types of music will cease to exist or that everything will be recorded on a cellphone. There are plenty of cheap ways to record an if you are willing to spend time. Who cares if you have dr. a producer - if you're not capable of making self, then you do not deserve the attention that it gives you. Once again. Piracy is NOT a threat to music. It might be to the industry, but who cares. That is just money. Music should not be about money, and real music has never been about money.
    Kueller917
    The problem is the age. Being a full time musician is a career. You make money and put it back into the process of making music, then repeat. You're right, you don't need a big producer now, recording equipment is cheap (unless you're so stuck up you think everything digital should die and people should go broke getting a tape system). But my point is you still need to make money. If every person in the world pirated of course it wouldn't mean music would die, but it might go backwards very far. Music becoming such a full fledged career is what brought us recorded distribution, global touring, and promotion. And no, art was never about money first, but profit has always been a part of it. And music seems to be the only one where profit is taboo. People don't seem to outrage as much when authors make money, or filmmakers make money.
    EnglishToolRage
    I'll go one further and say that there simply shouldn't be an army of mega stars out there... What ever happened to the Music scene, where each town/country had their own styles and sound? If we stop promoting music as a way to be wealthy, then people will have to do it just in the evenings with their full time jobs *Because they love it*... That's how it was for centuries, we've had a mere two generations who got pointlessly wealthy, and now it's going back to normal again...
    Kueller917
    Sure it's advertised as something to become rich and famous, but it's not that easy. As much as people think you can just autotune your voice and make millions it's incredibly harder than that. The industry is a business and to become a megastar you need to know your way around the business and know people who can do the same. And again, centuries of each town having their same style had to do with no global promotion or touring, which is probably how most people here found their favorite bands. The megastar thing has more to do with our culture of putting celebrities on a pedestal than the industry itself.
    Blazingguns00
    start a site with a shitload of advertising, that allows you to get credits by watching ads, and use those credits to buy songs, that money goes to the bands, but until then, i'm not spending 1000s of pounds on record labels, much rather spend it on merch and gig tickets...
    talbot02
    This is a easy article to get you to admit you download illegally. Watch out for a knock at the door
    Shredderman2010
    thats true. There's tonnes of bands I've discovered that have nothing on youtube due to copyright, so I've had to torrent them to actualy listen to their music. plus youtube is super shit quality, and can never do music justice
    Niiko_Xeneize
    While it's true that bands barely make money out of the albums sold, and it's true that they make more money with concerts, if no one buys the album the label doesn't get any money, and if they don't get enough money they're gonna consider the band as a bad investment and the band is gonna get f*cked. What truly pisses me off is when they say "labels have reported a loss of X hundred million dollars because of illegal downloading...", considering every album downloaded is an album not sold, when actually most of the people that downloaded the album wouldn't have bought it anyway. Where I live, CDs, books, movies, etc. are kinda expensive, the other day I found Hybrid Theory, a more than 10 years old album at 20 dollars, it's kinda ridiculous, and that price is actually cheap compared to what newer stuff costs.
    yourelost
    I download stuff because it's free and easy. It's not a moral thing for me, and I don't try to justify it in my head in anyway.
    Farmer54
    I will more than happily support the ARTIST, but I cannot stand the industry. All artists should get paid for the work they do. I cannot wait for the whole commercial industry to crumble to it's prehistoric knees and weep at the loss by not embracing technology. I'm not opposed to paying for music, I'm opposed to paying a corporate ***** for the privilege of listening to a band he had nothing to do with.
    Pitwulf
    Wow I just finished a 28 page paper on the Pirate Bay and internet piracy in general and then huge news like this comes along 1 day later...