Rap Beats Rock At Grammys?

The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Wolfmother, Bob Dylan and Gnarls Barkley were big winners at Grammy Awards on February 11.

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The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Wolfmother, Bob Dylan and Gnarls Barkley were big winners at Grammy Awards on February 11.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers claimed three of the 95 awards announced before the show got underway at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. The rock veterans claimed Best Rock Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal and Best Rock Song for "Dani California," while their album "Stadium Arcadium" picked up the Grammy for Best Boxed (Set) Or Special Limited Edition Package.

Bob Dylan won two Grammys -- for Best Solo Rock Vocal Performance for "Someday Baby" and for best contemporary folk/Americana album for "Modern Times."

Gnarls Barkley also claimed a string of early gongs, taking home Best Alternative Music Album for "St Elsewhere" and Best Urban/Alternative Performance for 2006 summer anthem "Crazy".

The Sydney power-rock trio Wolfmother continued their path to world domination when they won the Award for the breakthrough hit "Woman." They beat rock heavyweights Nine Inch Nails, Tool and System of a Down for Best Hard Rock Performance.

"We're blown away," a surprised singer Andrew Stockdale told the audience at the Staples Centre in Los Angeles. "This doesn't happen very often at all, in Australia, to any band." (watch the video at this location).

Prince was shut out of the five categories he was nominated in.

Fargo native Jonny Lang -- who started out as a blues-rock singer-guitarist -- won a Grammy for Best Rock Or Rap Gospel Album, for "Turn Around."

As a whole, Rap/R&B got 13 Grammy Categories, while Metal/Rock/Alternative -- only 8...

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    Soadrocks925
    jimicrakcrn wrote: Wolfmother won because their music appealed to a larger crowd. Someone who listens to Fall out Boy and Relient K... 24/7 is not going to really get into tool, soad, or NIN. But Wolfmother isn't really that heavy but it still rocks. Should they have won? No... putting tool, soad, and NIN in a category to see which one wins isnt fair in the first place... those bands are completely different eachother... and should each deserve attention... not just one. Anyways... I like Wolfmother.. glad to see they're getting noticed. But I don't think they should have won as much as I like them
    +1. SOAD, NIN, Tool, and Wolfmother are all different and they all deserved to get an award or something. SOAD shoulda won if it were up to me thou. haha. the grammys are rigged and they suck.
    MAKETHEMSUFFER.
    Dirty Gypsy wrote: please tell me your not defending rap against metal as being repitive! If I hear one more friggin rap song that only talks about dubs,ho's, and 40's then im going to kill myself. Metal is all about release, people that have so much crap built up inside of them that they need to get it out, and metal is how they do it. But rap! I mean holy crap, what emotion or purpose does driving on 24's get out of someone? Maybe their desire to be a baller or pimp but seriously, how can you argue that todays rap is even music!
    couldnt have said it better myself
    beastiebeatles
    frankv wrote: Pearl jam didn't won anything ...Good for Wolfmother though, i really like them. They really are the fresh air I needed as a rock fan. Why does everybody keep saying Wolfmother are ripping of Led Zeppelin and classic rock? They might have been influenced a lot by those bands but I don't see anyone complaining about megadeth ripping off metallica or whatsoever. These awards are about what the music scene has to offer today and they really are unique comparing them to other bands (even to Led Zeppelin if they were active now). And btw SOAD sucks ass.
    megadeth didn't rip off metallica, they improved on the foundation for metallica which was laid by dave mustaine. As for the rest, I have no problem with rap beating out rock if the rap is good rap but this years mainstream rap was pretty awful.
    ZeM00finMan
    blakwyte wrote: hold on a second ... black music my suck now, but where the hell do you think rock came from in the first place?? it's an evolution of blues which was black music to start with ... and if you're into indie and emo what about kele okereke from bloc party? you can bash rap but don't generalize about black music, if it wasn't for them we'd all be listening to classical music
    Bleh, I hate how everyone sits there thinking African American invented blues? Wtf... And without it we'd be listening to classical music? Well.. Actually, in a way, if we didn't have blues to create what we have today, we'd have people that derived more influences from classical music, and a more Neo-Classical revolution of songs with more melody and soul, and such... But, whatever.. I'm not even gonna bother arguing who cares, I wont come back to read any replies XD I didn't even bother watching the grammys.
    chase09
    RufTheKicker wrote: i dont think that anyone put it better than Reel Big Fish, The radio plays what they want you to hear...Sell out, With me tonight. The record companys only give me lots of money and everything's gonna be Alright Grammys shouldn't ever be credited after Jethro Tull won in the first metal category.. bullshit. ****ing jazz flute alright ron burghandy
    While I agree that they shouldn't have won best metal, you can't write Jethro Tull off as some shit group. They are very good and just because some stupid award show like the Grammy's gave them the award over Metallica doesn't make them a bad group.
    Leeviva
    "...As a whole, Rap/R&B got... " People shouldn't confuse Contemporary R&B with the good old R&B. Contemporary R&B is the new age crap that we have nowadays, but the good old R&B is bands like The Who, Rolling Stones etc.
    g8erfan1
    How do you explain a band like wolfmother beating established bands like tool, nin, and soad? if anyone has a logical response, I would love to hear it.
    eckmann88
    gwitersnamps wrote: Tom Petty should have gotten the grammy for Dani California.
    Hpda5121 wrote: Here's a fact: Rap is repetative. Rock is repetative. Metal is repetative. Even classsical and jazz has some repetativeness in it, they just expand on it more than the other genres. And people need to realize that the Grammy's is for pop music, meaning pretty much the most popular music will win, not always the best.
    High five! And to everyone who says it's only modern rap and hip-hop music that's repetitive, listen to "Watermelon Man" by Herbie Hancock
    hammetfan86 wrote: um....yes hpda5121 very good...because music wouldnt be music if it didnt have some form of repetative beat, there wouldnt be a rythm and it wouldnt be considered music. but rap takes it to the extreme with playing the DRUM cuz they dont play a real drumset, and iunno maybe a cowbell and a triange, well anyway, talk fast and rhyme, not talent imo, they dont talk about their feelings or life, or anything but drugs, bitches, cars, and hatin the cops. blah rap well.....new rap anyway, theres some good old rap.
    And there's a lot of great new rap too, you're just not looking hard enough... And as for the whole Wolfmother/Tool/NIN/SOAD debate, I gotta agree that Tool is possibly the most innovative band today, and that if everyone did as much to progress music as they do, the music industry would be much more varied. Anyway, that's my 2 cents....
    italyjerry
    RHCP won 4 awards, not 3 like the article says. They got Best Rock album, Best Rock Song, Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal, and Best Box Set or Special Limited Edition Package.
    onebetter
    I think a lot of people need to realize that every genre of music has crappy commercialized (sp?) bands that are in it just for the money. Bands that will sell out for money are the ones people hear about and the good underground ones go completely unnoticed. The music industry exists to entertain and it will produce crap as long as people want to hear crap. A lot of people need to stop making over general comments as well. Not all rap sucks, just the commercial crap that the ganstas like. Same thing with metal, not all of it is chugging power chords and screaming, thats whats called commercial crap. I don't mean to be insulting to anyone, I'm just pointing out that every genre has good artists and absolute shi t.
    zer0monkey
    I don't like the grammys too much way too many of those awards went out to the Dixie Chicks who, in my opinion are horrible
    MastaBassist10
    oyvind wrote: When Rap dies Rock'll come back again, rock acts that way...
    Rock never died, has not died and never will. Rap never died, has not died and never will.
    fretburner
    Metal is not bland or boring. Just look at bands like Lamb of God. I am a big metalhead but I also think that rap is pretty badass even though I don't listen to it that much. You people sound like bithces when you keep on complaining about which type of music is better. Listen to music with an open mind bro.
    GuitarJunkie
    Fargo native Jonny Lang -- who started out as a blues-rock singer-guitarist -- won a Grammy for Best Rock Or Rap Gospel Album, for "Turn Around."
    haha...my cousin beat up johnny lang in high school...he's such a tool
    eclipse10391
    Metallicam wrote: im getting freakin tired of all these new "genres" of music...lets keep it basic...i see there as being rock, hard rock, and metal....each one progressively harder or maybe even "faster" than the last... I hear that, I'm so sick of there being like 19 genres of metal. I agree with Rock, HardRock, or Metal. Let's face it, every band (as far as rock goes) can fall easily under on of those categories. Tom Petty should have gotten the grammy for Dani California. *Rolls eyes* No, Tom Petty never got any royalties for it, because he stated himself that he didn't care. There so much music out there that sounds like other music. Just because you use the same chord prgression on the verse of a song, does not make it plagurism (sp?). It wasn't even the same tempo. Glad to see the Chilipeppers are still doing well. Have had the same lineup since Mother's Milk btw.
    not true john left the band after BSSM and came back 7 or so years later
    GuitarJunkie
    eclipse10391 wrote: Metallicam wrote: im getting freakin tired of all these new "genres" of music...lets keep it basic...i see there as being rock, hard rock, and metal....each one progressively harder or maybe even "faster" than the last... I hear that, I'm so sick of there being like 19 genres of metal. I agree with Rock, HardRock, or Metal. Let's face it, every band (as far as rock goes) can fall easily under on of those categories. Tom Petty should have gotten the grammy for Dani California. *Rolls eyes* No, Tom Petty never got any royalties for it, because he stated himself that he didn't care. There so much music out there that sounds like other music. Just because you use the same chord prgression on the verse of a song, does not make it plagurism (sp?). It wasn't even the same tempo. Glad to see the Chilipeppers are still doing well. Have had the same lineup since Mother's Milk btw. not true john left the band after BSSM and came back 7 or so years later
    true...but they only recorded one album without him since he joined the band on mothers milk (one hot minute). Which, did terrible with the exception of the single 'Aeroplane' which got some decent airplay.
    Mike6699
    JT was robbed for album of the year. But other than that, RICK RUBIN WON PRODUCER OF THE YEAR. that was the best decision that the "academy" made that night.
    AcrosstheTracks
    Remember the Grammys are all about the music that's popular today. And right now, rap is more popular then rock on a widespread scale. But who cares about all those awards anyway, I'm sure it's great to have a grammy, but it sure as hell dosen't define a career. And to all the ignorant fools posting here, remember that every genre has it's good and bad artists, and that the more generic artists (lately) have tended to become mainstream, as they are more disgestible for a broader audience. How many of the people bashing rap have actually listened to the many different varieties of rap and hip-hop enough to make a educated judgement based on their findings? Music is music guys, and everyone likes things for different reasons. Get out of your basement and cast aside your ignorance, you'll find that a ton of music appeals to you that may never have before.
    rush4life
    santhony1987 wrote: Jethro Tull deserved to beat metallica. I went there.
    Damn straight. Tull kicks ass!
    Metallica_Ðuke
    liamduzrocks wrote: thats such a generalised comment. whats wrong with rap? ok i see that its not everyones cup of tea, but neither is metal. in my personal opionion metal is boring and repitive and completely unorigional.
    lmfao you dont think rap isnt repetative and boring?? all they do is rap about either of these things: bitches, money, drugs, other rappers, clubs, and if theres time, rap about the hood/ghetto. im my opinion, aslong as a rap song has a catchy beat, the lyrics dont mean shit
    WhereArtEsteban
    NWS-eXPLOReR wrote: Dixie Chicks over Chili Peppers! You've got to be ****ing kidding me!
    Yeah, they didn't deserve 5 of the awards they got, (I belevie thats how many they got).
    liamduzrocks
    hammetfan86 wrote: hmm with radio and television dying music will only get worse and worse, because theres nobody in the music industry to tell these emo kids that their music sucks, so they keep making it, and kids keep listening to it cuz they wanna be "cool" and eventually, everything is gonna be computerized, theres not gonna be a live "band" around anymore and good music will be a thing of the past, i hate internet bands.
    hate internet bands? just about veery band with a myspace is an internet band judging from ure name i assume you dnt hate metallica and they have a million myspace fan pages and they have an online journal and blog they use the internet as one of their main media (just like just about every band on the planet now) therefore they are one of these internet bands that you hate the music industry is dependant on the internet because its the main media for the entire world
    HeyStoopid
    thadedan(CFH) wrote: i like Wolfmother, hell ive even got their first album, but SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS!! how did they win over Tool and SOAD??? they are nowhere near as good as those bands! Have these guys ever even been to a live Tool gig? Its about one of the most moving experiences ive ever been involved in...
    been to both tool and wolfmother, and while tool was one of the best shows i had seen up to that point, they didnt even come close to the pure energy and the overall atmosphere of wolfmother, which easily ties with 30 seconds to mars (say what you want about them, i like them) for the best show ive ever seen, hands down and soad is alright, but they are SOOOOO overrated
    RH_FunkBass_CP
    Ok. Well... This whole thing sucks. RHCP getting beat by Dixie Chicks? Although Dani California isn't their best song off Stadium Arcadium, by far not their best song all together, they shoulda beat those country hicks. And Prince not getting any awards?!?! Thats absurd. Hes an amazing musician, and even more so on guitar. SOAD geting beat out by Wolfmother? Crazy. Actually, that doesn't really bother me. Soads new stuff isn't as good as their old. Now this whole Rock v. Rap debate... I'm half black, and I listen to almost nothing but Rock. Not any of this new stuff, it pretty much blows. Emo "music"... *Sudders* But rap isn't all bad. This new gangsta, 5o cent stuff blows. A great example of good rap: The Roots. Excellent. And most metal is just as repetative as rap.
    liamduzrocks
    hammetfan86 wrote: ok, im gonna get this off my chest, wolfmother is not "hard rock" and shouldnt even be considered in that category, 2nd like 99% of all new rap AND metal sucks ass, what happened to the time when people had real respect for bands like zeppelin and 'tallica, i mean u listen to ur top 40 radio station and its full of 50 cent, nelly and god dammed falloutboy and shit, music has gone to hell and i sure hope it comes back before i go insane.
    i agree with most of that i cba to argue anymore bout genres cos i guess everyone has a different opionion of whats hard rock and what isnt but yer i agree with the thop 40 thing as well have you noticed tho almost all of the stuff in the top 40 is mostly laid back or at least easier listening stuff, and have you noticed that the heavier bands get into charts or at least more radio airplay when they make either sadder or lighter songs, for example if you look through an "alternative" kids windows media player under m you are likely to find only one metallica song - nothing else matters
    King ofKumbucha
    liamduzrocks wrote: thats such a generalised comment. whats wrong with rap? ok i see that its not everyones cup of tea, but neither is metal. in my personal opionion metal is boring and repitive and completely unorigional. i cant remember the alst time i managed to listen to a metal album all the way through. again, that was a generalised comment, i do like some metal, in fact quite alot of it, but it still doesnt deserve the kinda attention you are giving it.
    ...and I'm tired of people defending rap as if it makes them sound like they are less closed minded than those who hate it. Perhaps those of us who hate rap aren't closed-minded, but it is you who is too accepting of untalented "musicians".
    auranos
    "Prince was shut out of the five categories he was nominated in." How is that even possible? I'm disowning the Grammys.
    TomRennardson
    I just have one thing to say: WOLFMOTHER AND THE RED HOT HOT CHILI PEPPERS ROCK!!!!! !!!!! Peace out!!!
    liamduzrocks
    jojoshman wrote: liamduzrocks like i said african drumming
    lol did you bother reading anything i said? if you think about it properly rock came from african drumming do you know how the slave trade worked? before the slave trade started there wasnt african music. they had the talking drum, which was a percussive device used to send messages between tribes (it was pitched percussion, it hasnt influencved anything lol) but once the slave trade was under way, especially in latin america where they worked the cotton fields, music became their main output. they tried to imitate the tradiotional western music that they heard, but they couldnt emulate it properly because they had to create their own instruments. the easiest instruments to make were various variations on the talking drums they used to make in africa. these became the benchmark for the toms on a modern drumkit and african drumming is possibly the least used portion of jazz nd even rap nd hip hop lol like i think its been said already here, its mainly high hat nd snare work, both of which were developed from native american percussion instruments. it was more of a latin american thing than an african thing. the only reason rap is associated with africans these days is because it became the theme tune to slums nd lower classes, especially in america, most of which were african. the movement was started by latin americans
    liamduzrocks
    King ofKumbucha wrote: liamduzrocks wrote: thats such a generalised comment. whats wrong with rap? ok i see that its not everyones cup of tea, but neither is metal. in my personal opionion metal is boring and repitive and completely unorigional. i cant remember the alst time i managed to listen to a metal album all the way through. again, that was a generalised comment, i do like some metal, in fact quite alot of it, but it still doesnt deserve the kinda attention you are giving it. ...and I'm tired of people defending rap as if it makes them sound like they are less closed minded than those who hate it. Perhaps those of us who hate rap aren't closed-minded, but it is you who is too accepting of untalented "musicians".
    maybe it is probably not tho if you think you know everything explain how they are unbtalented musicians without any genrealised remarks i dare ya
    liamduzrocks
    jojoshman wrote: i don't even no why i am argueing over metal anyway i am more of a grunge fan anyway you all suck so good bye i have to go to work cause i ain't some fat ass computer geek sitting at his computer all day living in his parents basement living of mcdonalds and wealfair checks
    lol i bet you are
    Twiggy81R
    Everybody had some valid points here, but the big thing to consider is that rock and basically anything that is composed by a group of four or five guys is slowly fading away if not near the end. A very large majority of the music out there now is all manufactured by a company with just a pretty face on the album cover. (We can thank American Idol for this crap). For all those garage bands out there, don't stop doing what your doing; having fun and making music. When Trent Reznor started he didn't think anyone would like his poems and music....look at him now.
    hammetfan86
    Twiggy got a point, so everyone grab ur guitars and mic's and head out to ur garage, we need some good music, i know im jammin right now as i read this forum. ROCK ON.
    shwilly
    Who cares about the number of categories? Most of these are bullfeces anyway >
    "Best Rock Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal and Best Rock Song"
    "Best Boxed (Set) Or Special Limited Edition Package"
    Just look at the categories: there's "Best Album Notes - Classical", "Best Performance by an Orchestra or Instrumentalist with Orchestra - Primarily Not Jazz or for Dancing". They even have a grammy for "Best Polka Album", which is a bit contradictory since there is no such thing as a good polka album... There are more than 90 different grammies, most of which don't mean shit, plus the award show is boring, the jokes are lame... And every year there are like 10 controversial winners and/or losers (think Metallica '89)...