Rap Beats Rock At Grammys?

The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Wolfmother, Bob Dylan and Gnarls Barkley were big winners at Grammy Awards on February 11.

Rap Beats Rock At Grammys?
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The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Wolfmother, Bob Dylan and Gnarls Barkley were big winners at Grammy Awards on February 11. The Red Hot Chili Peppers claimed three of the 95 awards announced before the show got underway at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. The rock veterans claimed Best Rock Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal and Best Rock Song for "Dani California," while their album "Stadium Arcadium" picked up the Grammy for Best Boxed (Set) Or Special Limited Edition Package. Bob Dylan won two Grammys -- for Best Solo Rock Vocal Performance for "Someday Baby" and for best contemporary folk/Americana album for "Modern Times." Gnarls Barkley also claimed a string of early gongs, taking home Best Alternative Music Album for "St Elsewhere" and Best Urban/Alternative Performance for 2006 summer anthem "Crazy". The Sydney power-rock trio Wolfmother continued their path to world domination when they won the Award for the breakthrough hit "Woman." They beat rock heavyweights Nine Inch Nails, Tool and System of a Down for Best Hard Rock Performance. "We're blown away," a surprised singer Andrew Stockdale told the audience at the Staples Centre in Los Angeles. "This doesn't happen very often at all, in Australia, to any band." (watch the video at this location). Prince was shut out of the five categories he was nominated in. Fargo native Jonny Lang -- who started out as a blues-rock singer-guitarist -- won a Grammy for Best Rock Or Rap Gospel Album, for "Turn Around." As a whole, Rap/R&B got 13 Grammy Categories, while Metal/Rock/Alternative -- only 8...

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    Mental Hop
    MilkyHendrix is making generalized statements about a genre he knows nothing about. Anyone who tells me 50 Cent is better than Johnny Cash is liable to get their neck broken.
    Angelus Mortem
    Besides... "popualr" and 50 cents MIGHT get you a cup of coffee. That is all that "popular" is good for.
    Milkyhendrix
    Angelus Mortem wrote: I'm sorry, but .. no. Yeah, you picked a nice example to make Country look ridiculous, but there are better ( Why not "She thinks my tractor's Sexy" or "Swingin'"... cornpone at it's worst.. ) But i could give you MANY examples of poorly done ( Streoytpical ) rap as well. and? I hate to tell you but there is very little Bass in Rap.. i am a Bassist... and there is nothing going on there. Modern Country at least has a warm body playing a 4-5 string bass... and not too nadly in most cases.
    by bass, i have no implications of string bass. it could be synthesized bass, or any other sort of bass. there is ALOT of bass in rap. ok, ur driving down the street and you hear a HUGE booming nooise coming from the car next to you. now THAT is rap. i agree that it isn't much, and there are also no really innovative bass lines in rap, but it contributes to much of raps success as a great form of music to dance to.
    Milkyhendrix
    Angelus Mortem wrote: Besides... "popualr" and 50 cents MIGHT get you a cup of coffee. That is all that "popular" is good for.
    exactly, i agree, but that's not wat the public thinks, and we have no control over how they feel.
    Angelus Mortem
    by bass, i have no implications of string bass. it could be synthesized bass, or any other sort of bass.
    Wow... just... Wow. So i spent all these years mastering something that means nothing Good thing i learned to play guitar too... but...no... hmmm. Well i can play nintendo with the best of 'em. yeah.
    hippiesrchill
    funkbass369 wrote: im not a big fan of metal...its ok i just dont like the songs when theyre screaming, i mean come on how much talent does it take to play heavy power chords and scream? it takes a bit of talent to scream into a mic and still keep your voice after actually it doesnt. screaming takes absoulutly no talent at all and it would be nice to do somthing other thana freaking powerchord in this crap. thats all it really is, its not music, i dont even think it qualifies as noise, its just pure shit.
    Milkyhendrix
    about my earlier comment on country v.s. rap, i really have nothing against country or n e thing, but my belief is that although some music is better than other music in some ways, each music genre balances each other out and leads to new ones. giving credit to CasperNG's post (im not stealing ur post, i promise. lol) each genre DOES have a different element, feeling, or emotion thats generalized with them. they are all distinctly unique, and should be accredited as so.
    Angelus Mortem
    I'm sorry, but .. no. Yeah, you picked a nice example to make Country look ridiculous, but there are better ( Why not "She thinks my tractor's Sexy" or "Swingin'"... cornpone at it's worst.. ) But i could give you MANY examples of poorly done ( Streoytpical ) rap as well. and? I hate to tell you but there is very little Bass in Rap.. i am a Bassist... and there is nothing going on there. Modern Country at least has a warm body playing a 4-5 string bass... and not too nadly in most cases.
    theguitarist
    Disobeying the following will earn you warnings and/or bans: NO FLAMING OF EACH OTHER, THE BANDS OR OF GENRES NO SPAM KEEP THE DISCUSSION MATURE AND POLITE. Checked/Deleted.
    Angelus Mortem
    Geezus i hate these main boards. I want en edit feature *IGNORE ALL TYPOS COMMITED BY ME* I am aware of them.
    Milkyhendrix
    Angelus Mortem wrote: At least Country Musicians are ... MUSICIANS. They play INSTRUMENTS. As i said before, Rap is a "Performance Art". There is no singing, and no music taking place. If so, i have a Yamaha DD-55 Drum machine that deservs a reconding contract. I'll talk about how bad i am, and let the Yamaha set the groove. K?
    country musicians? well, they may be musicians, but which is more popular, country or rap? im sorry, im not one to love "pop" music, but rap has alot more energy and background than country. country songs are basically ridiculous compared to rap songs. sure, rap songs are pretty bad at times, but they do more than tell you how "i've got a barbeque stain on my white t-shirt." plus, the backgrounds in rap aren't bad at all. country doesn't have as much energy in the bass or in the feeling of hearing it. i mean, u can dance to country, but rap is far more superior in energy and in approach to bringing a message across.
    Milkyhendrix
    Mental Hop wrote: MilkyHendrix is making generalized statements about a genre he knows nothing about. Anyone who tells me 50 Cent is better than Johnny Cash is liable to get their neck broken.
    ok, well, tell me, wat do you consider rap, and who do you consider a rap artist? 50 cent is not a rap artist in my opinion. also, im sorry to burst your bubble, johnny cash's music is good, but he's not at the top of the charts, rap and rock are.
    Mental Hop
    blakwyte wrote: Hashmire420 wrote: During the show they actually had a old white man say that the only kind of music that is good no matter where in the world it is played is black american music? What the hell is that? I will agree that tons of black music is great, James Brown for instance. But do you think people in Russia or Spain listen to much Rap? I doubt it. hold on a second ... black music my suck now, but where the hell do you think rock came from in the first place?? it's an evolution of blues which was black music to start with ... and if you're into indie and emo what about kele okereke from bloc party? you can bash rap but don't generalize about black music, if it wasn't for them we'd all be listening to classical music
    Well I prefer country.
    Angelus Mortem
    Milkyhendrix wrote: also, on rap, i just see it as music. it's just another expression of an idea, mindset, or way of life. i love all music (except for country.) and i believe that any music, as long as it's not completely idiotic in nature or deed, is good music. just like people express themselves differently, music is expressed differently and it should be expressed differently all the time in order to grow, succeed, and flourish in our society. this is a rhetorical question, of course, but do we honor those who continue along the same structures as their classified music, or do we honor those with a new, innovative form of music and expression?
    At least Country Musicians are ... MUSICIANS. They play INSTRUMENTS. As i said before, Rap is a "Performance Art". There is no singing, and no music taking place. If so, i have a Yamaha DD-55 Drum machine that deservs a reconding contract. I'll talk about how bad i am, and let the Yamaha set the groove. K?
    SGRipper
    its probably the same people who said Green day is best band in planet. Awards are all rigged. dont even bother watching them. just think back to metallica being beat by some dude who i dont even remember the name back in the days.
    Jethro Tull, urrr
    johnnybench9
    wolfmother won because they are a new band with a classic sound. but it doesnt really matter because the grammies are a joke. Example: the dixie chicks.
    Rooster666
    Wolfmother won mainly because people like how they go back and play zeplin style. Not that there as good, but you have to give them credit for winning. Plus , rap sucks Beacaus Thier songs are pointless. I mean come on a song about a chain hannging low, WTF! But atleast the police played
    Angelus Mortem
    Well, before this gets way off kilter here... i will say this... there is one rap CD that was actually worth buying. Ice T *Cop Killer". He was backed by a hardcore style band ( Body Count ), and it was angry, powerful, all the things that Gangsta rap and Hardcore rock are supposed to be. I still say that the reason rock loses these days is that it does not have it's edge anymore. It used to have anger, power and most of all FUN. Now it's just retards whining about life and depressing me to death. T
    whitebluesboy
    I laughed when all the Hot Topic mall goth kids are like "Wtf! D00d tool and NIN are SO heavy and hard rock and almost as hard rock as my other favorite band SOAD. Not soda as everyone else reads it but SYSTEM OF A DOWN! the greatest band on earth. I mean it speaks to my elephant pants and my antisocial soul"
    Milkyhendrix
    the music industry is somewat bad now, but that's wat is always thought. the only way that i'll say that music now is bad is if it is banned from our nation. i'd rather have SOME music than none.
    Milkyhendrix
    Angelus Mortem wrote: by bass, i have no implications of string bass. it could be synthesized bass, or any other sort of bass. Wow... just... Wow. So i spent all these years mastering something that means nothing Good thing i learned to play guitar too... but...no... hmmm. Well i can play nintendo with the best of 'em. yeah.
    well, i play saxaphone and guitar and bass, but u dont c too many excellent sax players still around (kenny g is an exception). i still play tho, cuz music is music, as i posted b4, and you said that there is little ACTUAL bass, so why would u care if u couldn't play bass for a rap group? i really wouldn't care about playin bass for a rap group either, and i still play, regardless of the situations in popular music.
    The7thStone
    Hell yeh Wolfmother deserved the grammy. I saw them live and their performance kicked some serious a**...especially their bassist who practically plays the bass and and the keyboard/synthesizer at the same time. I mean seriously though i love TOOL and System of a Down...they're some of my top bands. But technicallty TOOl is Progressive Metal and System of a down is Industrial Metal and theri last to albums sucked compared to "Toxicity", "System of a Down", and "Steal this album".
    Chewy-Lewy
    Well we all remember the Jethro Tull Metallica incident, first ever metal grammy and guess who won it, I'll give you a hint the one with the flute playing lead singer.
    OfantesOvFire
    I'm kinda upset that more people seem to be into the stuff on "Stadium Arcadium" more than their early work(at least most of the people I know). Songs like "Under the Bridge" and "Otherside" are examples of their awesome early songs.
    Milkyhendrix
    E V H 5150 wrote: Popular does not, by any means, mean it's good. A squire might be a popular choice for a first guitar. Doesn't mean it's good. Rap is merely synthesizers, bass, and drums, with rhythmic poetry. It's highly unmusical. I'm not saying that shredding or anything is more musical than loud bass. It's all how you use it. Pretty soon, rappers are going to start using frequencies in their bass that are inaudible to human ears. Can anybody hear a noise at 10Hz?
    again, the public and the industries rule over our opinion. im not sayin that popular music is good, but it is popular
    E V H 5150
    Popular does not, by any means, mean it's good. A squire might be a popular choice for a first guitar. Doesn't mean it's good. Rap is merely synthesizers, bass, and drums, with rhythmic poetry. It's highly unmusical. I'm not saying that shredding or anything is more musical than loud bass. It's all how you use it. Pretty soon, rappers are going to start using frequencies in their bass that are inaudible to human ears. Can anybody hear a noise at 10Hz?
    grungeisntdead3
    the grammys are a bunch of bullshit, becuase in most cases, the most commercialized bands win, I mean iron maiden came out with a new cd which was their top selling album ever, out of all 24? and yet they weren't even considered becuase of w/e reason. Wolfmother is def a good band, but they're not at the level of Tool or NIN yet, eventually they'll get there but not this year. N in regards to the rap/metal argument, i hate rap music, as it has as its main theme the same things, that mean nothing, absolutely nothing. However there are a few artists out there that release rap songs that have some kind of meaning, of deeper meaning, that goes beyond shootin people, and calling their women hoes. But once again, we don't hear about those becuase the grammys, the mtv music awards, and mtv in general doesn't show it or commercialize it. The truth is, most people that make judgement on these awards, are influenced by whats popular, and what's popular is not necessarily good, Especially now days, whihc is why the grammys or ne kind of music award for that matter shouldn't be taken seriously. Besides music is about feeeling, what ever suites your mood and your personality the best, these kind of things shouldnt influence what we listen too. we should listen to something cuz we like it not becuase mtv is telling us to do so.
    paintITblack39
    Bob Dylan should have won album of the year. RHCP's new album doesn't really deserve the Album of the Year nominee. So many fillers and the wrong b-sides.
    Angelus Mortem
    grungeisntdead: I agree somewhat. Though i doubt MTV is telling us what to like anymore due to the fact that those slackers don't even play videos anymore... all they have are lame "reality" shows... VH1 has gone the same route... and hell, even CMT is gone now. If you want to see videos anymore you better get Limewire
    blink18223
    the only good rap band is public enemy. After that, they all sounded exactly the same. Almost everyone in that genre lipsyncs, and dances around. Why it caught on so quich I'll never understand. To why1not1try : have you ever seen prince play? Go look purple rain up on mtv.com or youtube. What the hell is up with the dixie chicks winning 5 awards? The short one was as annoying as hell! Bob Dylan shouldn't have won a vocal award, but he writes good songs Chili Peppers kick *** Go wolfmother
    blink18223
    If you get Fuse that plays alot of rock, but its mostly more mainstream. Underoath was on for a wicked long time with writing on the walls tho
    POWERMETAL!
    oops almost forgot about the whole wolfmother thing.. got sidetracked. anyway wolfmother, theres a sick joke for the rock community.(most of wich i despise, curently) music has gone downhill. Megadeth \m/ and Maiden \m/ won't last forever. good thing theres bands like Sonata Arctica, Savatage, Dream Theatre, DragonForce, and Hammerfall. because honestly the word metal is being polluted with screamming shit anyone with a working voice box can (and do) replicate. whatever. out of everyone mentioned in the article RHCP are the onlyones with any talent. thats the truth. all of it. you don't like it refer to the last line in the above comment \m/
    isomniac19
    oh and oyvind wrote: When Rap dies Rock'll come back again, rock acts that way... what do you mean by rock will come back again? it was never dead. It has a lot of different types and has evolved for the past 40-50 years but it's never dead. It'll never die because there's always gonna be some type of rock, it might not be called rock but it'll be there
    sexy-man
    They beat rock heavyweights Nine Inch Nails, Tool and System of a Down for Best Hard Rock Performance.
    ok when did wolfmother, NIN or SOAD becoe hard rock, its just like mtv and Vh1 classifying staind as metal, its just garbage
    WhereArtEsteban
    NWS-eXPLOReR wrote: Dixie Chicks over Chili Peppers! You've got to be ****ing kidding me!
    Yeah, they didn't deserve 5 of the awards they got, (I belevie thats how many they got).
    Angelus Mortem
    I would compare Rap to break dancing or mime. A "performance art". Yes, it might take some skill in some way, but it sure as hell don't make you a musician.
    Angelus Mortem
    frankv wrote: I don't see anyone complaining about megadeth ripping off metallica or whatsoever.
    Dear Clueless: Dave Mustaine was the Original lead guitarist of Metallica. The first Metallica recording have Mustain listed in the writing credits of a song or two, check it out for yourself. So *IF* they sound in any way similar during the first couple records from BOTH bands, they do share a common history.
    milhouse56
    Angelus Mortem wrote: I would compare Rap to break dancing or mime. A "performance art". Yes, it might take some skill in some way, but it sure as hell don't make you a musician.
    I COMPLETELY AGREE
    milhouse56
    well, i dont think you can really compare soad and nin with wolfmother. especially soad, completly different sound. I actually like the few wolfmother songs that i've heard.
    gibsonboy3
    Rap is winning, becuase it is the newest form of music. Everyone likes it, not just black people, im 16 im in high school right now, i know. People just love the message and concept in the music. So as a result half the kids in america of any color, want to be all ganster, becuase its whats cool at this point in time. Rap will fade away into a different style of "music". Its like back in the 90's pop was really big with all of the boy bands like the backstreet boys and Nsync. Not all rap is that bad though. I am able to tolerant and even find some music in some of the rappers, like Jay-z and nas. not sayin im a rap fan either.
    Hpda5121
    I think the real problem is that nobody is tolerant to anything they don't know. People don't like hip-hop or r&b and jazz because they aren't familiar with the music, they just base their opinions off of generic responses that have been regurgitated everywhere. They make no argument but instead make a mindless remark that makes them feel superior to something they have never been properly introduced to.