Religious Controversy Sparks Album Recall

Offensive artwork from Canadian pop punk band Living With Lions promotes mass recall of their newest album.

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If you haven't heard of the recent controversy surrounding Canadian pop punkers Living With Lions, now would be a good time to catch up. The band recently released their latest album, titled Holy Shit (The Poo Testament), last week. Somewhere within the packaging lies a picture of a rather large piece of excrement dressed as Jesus. As if this wasn't bad enough, the album cover itself is printed in the style of a traditional bible and the "song lyrics [are] written like Scripture or biblical verses".

Canadian Heritage Minister James Moore criticized the band for their offensive packaging. According to Moore's spokesperson, "the content of this CD is offensive and the fact that it is clearly designed to offend a group of Canadians based on their faith is simply wrong." Not only was the band criticized, but FACTOR (The Foundation Assisting Canadian Talent on Recordings), was also called out for the $13,000 grant they provided to Black Box Recordings to record and promote Holy Shit. As a government institution, FACTOR uses taxpayer's money to fund projects for recording artists, and as such, is liable to the taxpayers for the use of their money.

Since the incident, FACTOR has expressed their "profound disappointment" with the content. Black Box Recordings owner Ian Stanger was the first to speak out from the band's camp. "I'd like it to be well understood that the lyrical content on this record makes no reference to any religious themes whatsoever... there's a tongue-in-cheek element of this record people may be missing." He also stated that the album was not meant to promote anti-religious themes in any way.

A week after Holy Shit's release date and the ensuing controversy, Living With Lions and Black Box issued this update via the Black Box Recordings official website:

In light of the recent controversy regarding the artwork for Living With Lions' album, Holy Shit, the band and label have voluntarily agreed to return the loan of $13,248.00 in its entirety, which was offered in support of this record. The product will be withdrawn from the domestic market immediately, and we requested our international partners to withdraw product internationally as well. We understand the band's desire to maintain their creative integrity. Therefore the album will be re-released as a non-FACTOR supported project in the coming weeks.

The material was not intended to be offensive, though we regret it was interpreted that way. Further, we regret the negative attention that this matter has brought to FACTOR. FACTOR is an integral part of supporting and sustaining Canadian music domestically and internationally, and their support of our work and that of other Canadian musicians is invaluable.

- Ian Stanger

While it certainly is a setback for Living With Lions, FACTOR is in the hot seat as well. Now other Canadian punk musicians are worried that FACTOR may lose funding from the conservative right or even be wiped out entirely. Joe Keithley of D.O.A. says "I think you can kiss FACTOR goodbye... Or at least they're going to get their funding cut in half. Here's the bottom line... If [the music] doesn't qualify, then the Conservatives won't give you the money and unfortunately that's the way they think... It's unfortunate we've got four years of this BS to deal with."

By Jay Brown

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    Zan595
    These guys have every right to state their opinion on the religion just as followers of the religion do. No one's forcing christians to buy the album, why does it matter to them? I don't get offended when I see christian band albums' artwork.
    Jimmy-G
    Its called Freedom of speech. If these people want to do that then they can! Simple as that. I don't agree at all with what they are doing but Im not going to cause an uproar about it just cause I find it offensive. That would be robbing them of their entitled rights. As for all the flaming on both sides, seriously you have nothing better to do then combat your opinion/belief against anothers opinion/belief over the net?
    EFGuitar
    and so yet another joke is taken way too seriously and all hell breaks loose...people need to chill.
    DifferentWorld
    Desire for creative integrity. Call album "Holy Shit." I'm ashamed to share my country with these people. Not because of the religious implications, mind you, but because they sound like ****ing idiots.
    hackahobo
    Eifler121 wrote: Scorpyin wrote: Brendan.Clace wrote: SkaryGary wrote: bottom line if there was a magical man named jesus that raised the dead and was so awesome dont u think there woulda been more books and tablets and statues made about him insted of the only place the guy is ever mentioned is in da christan bible?? evidence > belief HA. Ignorance is HILARIOUS. In fact, a lot of comments on this article are almost as hilarious as this one. Considering the Bible is THE MOST accurate "history book" ever written, with more supporting manuscripts of any book ever (including King Arthur, which most people seem to believe) I would have to say that Jesus was a REAL man. Also, he is mentioned by historian Josephus, as well as in the Qu'ran. You would know these things if instead of jumping on the "we hate Christianity" band wagon and read a book once in a while. People need to understand, they are not withdrawing the album because of the criticism from the "religious nuts". They are withdrawing the album because it was paid for with a huge grant from a government organization who gave them tax-payer money. Therefore, it has to be UN-OFFENSIVE content in every way shape and form. It cannot promote any form of offensive content. The fact that the organization found out about the content only after the album was released makes it even worse. Please people, do your homework and actually read some things before coming on here and spewing your random, non-sensical, band-wagoning hate speech. holy shit i almost missed this one.... youre kidding right? you do know that the story of jesus is actually taken from another even older religion? look up an egyption god named horus and tell me if you notice any similarities... besides that, you dont actually believe that everything in there happened, do you? you know that the bible features things like dragons, behemoths, and other demon-like mythical creatures, and youre trying to say the bible is the most accurate history book ever?? have you even read a history book before?? all im saying is question EVERYTHING before you just decide its true just because everyone says so.... i was raised in a very christian enviroment and have noticed far too many flaws in the religion for me to give it any credibility at all. a god who loves all his children unless you dont worship him and follow all his rules, then hell condemn you to eternal suffering... thats not a god i want anything to do with The Dragons are mentioned in Revelations to begin with, which comes from a man's dream about the Rapture and the end of the world. It''s the same chapter that describes God's tongue as a sword. Ever hear of a sharp tongue? Dragon is typically understood to be more like a Dinosaur, since the word Dinosaur didn't come about until long after the Bible did. Two different names for a big lizard. That chapter is just full of metaphors, and on top of that, it isn't always accepted by all Christian institutions. The term demon doesn't describe any specific thing aside from an evil force. Demons are also mentioned as Angels in places of the Bible. The fire and brimstone definition of hell is a way of trying to describe an abstract place where spirits go in physical terms. It's more about the effect than a precise definition. It's like thinking that God actually looks like an old white man. Behemoth simply means something big. It could be an elephant or a giraffe even. The story of a deity's son coming to rescue mankind is almost universal to all religions/myths. That's how Christians got the Nordic people to convert. They found a lot of similarities, and then told them Ragnarok had happened already, that Thor's tree was the Tree of Good and Evil, and that Adam and Eve survived Ragnarok by hiding inside of the Tree. The story of Jesus on the cross is also meant to teach more than that Jesus died for our sins. He also speaks to the thief being hung next to him, who was never religious, and lived a very sinful life, and tells the thief that he would be in heaven someday. So it isn't as black and white that people who aren't Christians or Jews or people that sin don't go to heaven. Jews also don't believe that Jews are the only people to go to heaven. I can't explain the miracles, like Moses parting the red sea or the sea of reeds, but the Jews escaped Egypt somehow. Doesn't seem like it would be that easy to just get up and go do. I acknowledge that the Bible was written by a bunch of people trying to make their story more convincing, but just watch the History channel once in a while, and you can see that there is a lot that says the Bible isn't just full of things that didn't happen. There are certainly some things that are true in it. I'm not trying to convert anybody, but don't act like people are idiots for believing in God or any other religion. Especially when every single point you bring to the table is crap. It seems to me that when you questioned EVERYTHING, you didn't actually look for any answers either.
    This guy wins.
    Brendan.Clace
    SkaryGary wrote: Brendan.Clace wrote: SkaryGary wrote: bottom line if there was a magical man named jesus that raised the dead and was so awesome dont u think there woulda been more books and tablets and statues made about him insted of the only place the guy is ever mentioned is in da christan bible?? evidence > belief HA. Ignorance is HILARIOUS. In fact, a lot of comments on this article are almost as hilarious as this one. Considering the Bible is THE MOST accurate "history book" ever written, with more supporting manuscripts of any book ever (including King Arthur, which most people seem to believe) I would have to say that Jesus was a REAL man. Also, he is mentioned by historian Josephus, as well as in the Qu'ran. You would know these things if instead of jumping on the "we hate Christianity" band wagon and read a book once in a while. People need to understand, they are not withdrawing the album because of the criticism from the "religious nuts". They are withdrawing the album because it was paid for with a huge grant from a government organization who gave them tax-payer money. Therefore, it has to be UN-OFFENSIVE content in every way shape and form. It cannot promote any form of offensive content. The fact that the organization found out about the content only after the album was released makes it even worse. Please people, do your homework and actually read some things before coming on here and spewing your random, non-sensical, band-wagoning hate speech. dude i went to catholic my whole life believe me i know the bible, the new testement was written hundreds of years after jesus died so theres no eye witness testimony plus the church only picked storys they felt fell in line with what they were teaching, the old testement is a differnt story and isnt relevent to this convo cuz jesus isnt in the old testement. my point stands theres no evidence this man ever exsisted outside of a book of giants, talking snakes,and zombies
    You clearly didn't learn much then. The Gospel of Mark was authored approx. A.D. 64 The Gospels of Matthew and John approx. A.D. 90 The Gospel of Luke approx. A.D. 59 or 60. Really? No eyewitness testimony? Think about that again. Go and read some books on Bible Authorship and facts. Then come back and we will continue.
    CrawlingHorror
    This is a profile in cowardice on the part of the band, another example of Canada's overweening political correctness, how the religious hustlers seek to suppress speech they don't like while they endorse the hatred of gays and fight hate crime legislation so they can continue to propound that idea, and just generally a farce.
    K'm-Pee-Du-Wee
    "Mobby32 : In other news the believers in unicorns mad at erasure for ruining the image of unicorns." This is coming from someone who doesnt even go to church: Wtf?! Christians are a large number of people who's faith is as much a part of them as their skin color, or ancestory, and their values have shaped the worlds development many positive ways, christian ethics are at the heart of LAW AND ORDER, CONSTITUTIONS, and BILL OF RIGHTS (whether you like it or not) and have taught how civilazed people should behave. Sending out messages of hate to them are as much persecution as racism. Everyone should take example from you, mister unicorn man, and learn from your stupidity and maybe, just maybe, there won't be any more hitlers like you. Its not the "unicorns", its the mass of people who are persecuted endlessly in television, movies, and music (black metal for example) and deserve to have the reasonless hate stop. Yikes.
    CrawlingHorror
    "that wasnt funny or cool at all. Why dont you make a statement against hate or racism. Why do you feel you have to mock a religion." Religion is just a given set of ideas around which a given set of people regard as holy. Being that they are merely ideas then they are open to attack, ridicule and naysaying as any other given set of ideas are. Religion is a man made construct anyway and therefore, like mankind itself, riven with faults. To point out those faults should not be a crime and something should not be ruled ineligible for attack or argument just because it is labeled as a religion.
    C0FF1NCAS3
    Rawr rawr rawr, Christians are stupid and ruining our society. Rawr rawr rawr, the point production of smut for the sake of smut is stupid and destroying society. Oh, wait those are both true. Logic: Religion is important to some people and rather than be *****s about we could respect the market place of ideas that we all love and be respectful of other peoples belief cause we want the same respect. The band says the concept art was just kind of whatever in post production and means nothing. Rather than provoke people we could have done the Bible thing left the subtitle out and not dressed a shit as Jesus. Also we could not assume that there was a massive Christian uprising. One complaint could have done it.
    CrawlingHorror
    "Everyone should read Richard Dawkins book "The God Delusion". Great book, against these f**king nut jobs." Also, Erich Fromme's "Escape from Freedom." And for comedy relief, read H.L. Mencken's eulogy for William Jennings Bryan, who died shortly after the Scopes Monkey Trial (for extra fun, put Sarah Palin's name where Bryan's is):http://www.peeniewallie.com/2005/06/h_l_...
    emphaticleech
    As a Christian, I'm not offended by the excrement dressed as Jesus. I'm offended by the fact that A) A piece of poo? Really? How many times does someone have to use that in art? Lame. B) A government funded band with tax payer funding should really use other peoples' money for something less offensive instead of acting like total asshats.
    thebigredjj10
    All the fuss over such a tame joke. A turd dressed as Jesus. Have they ever heard of South Park, which gets lots of air time, and makes similar jokes nearly every episode? (Although, I find the show quite funny. It's way more offensive). It's not that offensive to make a pun of holy shit. I think that joke has been a thousand times. People should just leave it be. I could find a lot of Christian and Muslim and other religious stuff to be offensive in some ways. But I don't actually take offense, because they have the right to say what they want. So why is it when some religious guy stands up and says something offensive, it's okay because it's his religion. But if someone without a religious background says something, it's a hate thing. If I made a joke about people believing that they have aliens inside of them, would that be offensive? Because I find the notion ridiculous, but just because someone thinks that, I am not aloud to say how ridiculous it sounds? I find censorship offensive.
    Mattinell182
    Just kinda pointing out that Canada does, in fact, have freedom of speech in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms which is embedded into the constitution. The reason everyone's so pissed off is because Canadian tax-payers funded this album, and it's openly bashing religion. Not that i really care personally but ya know.
    CrawlingHorror
    "Wtf?! Christians are a large number of people who's faith is as much a part of them as their skin color, or ancestory, and their values have shaped the worlds development many positive ways, christian ethics are at the heart of LAW AND ORDER, CONSTITUTIONS, and BILL OF RIGHTS (whether you like it or not) and have taught how civilazed people should behave. Sending out messages of hate to them are as much persecution as racism. Everyone should take example from you, mister unicorn man, and learn from your stupidity and maybe, just maybe, there won't be any more hitlers like you. Its not the "unicorns", its the mass of people who are persecuted endlessly in television, movies, and music (black metal for example) and deserve to have the reasonless hate stop. Yikes. " Wow, somebody goes full Godwin merely because someone attacks the ideas propounded in religion? Kinda hysterical, no? Also, Christians have not been "endlessly persecuted" on tv, especially when you see all the Christmas programming at the end of the year. Moreover, if you want a persecuted minority, look at atheists. In a recent poll, the electorate said that they would least favor voting for an atheist. Indeed, Ann Coulter and others of her ilk revile those of us skeptical of the validity of religion. Too, the "large number of people" is a logical fallacy (appeal to popularity) since pure numbers of adherents do not lend it any inherent moral authority. But this kind of thing is as old as dirt. The Romans used to persecute those who didn't observe their pagan beliefs and rites. Moreover, the statement that Christianity taught people how to act in a civilized manner (never mind a lot of the rather gross sex and violence in the Bible or things such as the Crusades, the various anti-Jewish pogroms, witch hunts, burning heretics at the stake, suppressing scientific opinion, etc) is ethnocentric, and perhaps even racist. The Chinese had a civilization for thousands of years before Mary popped Jesus out of her womb. So to you the Chinese were savages then? Or how about other middle eastern civilizations? Savages? You also have to realize that the U.S. Constitution was, in part, a reaction to the nonsense that went on both before and during the English Civil War (you know, Cromwell and all that crap). Moreover, James Madison, who wrote the lion's share of that document, was himself highly suspicious of religious involvement in government. What religionists don't understand is that religion itself has always been nothing more than an instrument of control. Yeah, it is dressed up with bs marketing language (believe in me and you will be immortal because you will live in paradise when your body gives out, thereby salving over your fear of death; believe in me or you get barbecued afterward, etc), but ultimately it seeks control of man's behavior for the good of a religious ruling class (look at all the aristocratic language the Bible uses for Jesus) that doesn't get where it is by virtue of its wisdom or innate skills or ability to work hard, but by slavish devotion to a small coterie control freaks. In other words, Christianity is just politics by other means, as war is. You can have secular forms of control, too, that work perfectly well. You don't need religion for them. Look at Japan, where religion pretty much doesn't exist in the way it inhabits the American mind. Their crime rate is one-tenth of that of America's. Now how can that be when the U.S. is supposedly so Christian? Look, nobody wants to admit that he got hustled. You spend all your life with a bunch of other fearful, insecure dopes going through all the ablutions and chanting the cant over and over again until it becomes part of your genetic code, but that doesn't keep it from being a collection of fairy tales, allegories and neat stories and little more. Which is why those of us who are rational resent having all that garbage shoved down our throats by the evangelical wing of the GOP, Jehovah's Witnesses who wake me up at 7 a.m., Mormons who disturb my dinner by knocking on my door to give me their bulls**t, and on and on and on.
    Duality Ninja
    You know, I was going to type it up in a long response, but here it is, nice an simple; Christians and tax payers that get all angry over something like this can, respectively, man the **** up and get out of Canada. Everyone knows the bible was changed when it was translated from Latin (which only higher-ups spoke in whatever era, maybe medieval, can't remember) to English (vernacular at the time) to better suit the Catholic Church's intentions, which included things like taking crops from already poor farmers, and if you don't like paying taxes, it's not my problem. Not like it funds some pretty important things. @K'm-Pee-Du-Wee: Fuck off. Calling someone Hitler? Fuck you. To put it bluntly; you are a disrespectful prick. Hitler killed a shit ton of people. How would it feel if I called you Hitler, or Charles Manson? People like you shouldn't have opinions. That man made a simple comparison between a flash game and the current problem. You crossed the line, and obviously are a total stereotypical Christian. Your entire statement was implying that Christians are perfect people. No mention that Christianity is more or less the main reason (while it's not my thing) gay marriage isn't allowed in most places, so **** your distorted view of equality. Whoever caused this uproar is a hypocrite, because I guarantee any sort of material that parodies another religion gets through just fine, but the moment it's Christianity, it's like the ****in' crusades. tl;dr: Fuck y'all haters. I am mad. I don't even care if I get banned for this, everybody that's getting mad at this is a dumb ass.
    emphaticleech
    thebigredjj10 wrote: All the fuss over such a tame joke. A turd dressed as Jesus. Have they ever heard of South Park, which gets lots of air time, and makes similar jokes nearly every episode? (Although, I find the show quite funny. It's way more offensive). It's not that offensive to make a pun of holy shit. I think that joke has been a thousand times.
    But there's context behind it in a South Park episode. This album actually has nothing to do with turds or Jesus. So why the album cover? Seems, to me, like an awful risky thing to put on a cover without actually having any context for it.
    Duality Ninja
    CrawlingHorror wrote: Wow, somebody goes full Godwin merely because someone attacks the ideas propounded...
    This guys gets it. He sums up my ideas better than I did.
    emphaticleech
    CrawlingHorror wrote: The Chinese had a civilization for thousands of years before Mary popped Jesus out of her womb. So to you the Chinese were savages then? Or how about other middle eastern civilizations? Savages?
    I mean.. the Babylonians and Huns were pretty damn barbaric. I definitely would call them savages. For the rest of your wall of text... everything is a form of politics and censorship and "bad things". Religion is in no way a bad thing. Just people in power utilize it to get more votes. And as for Japan having 1/10th the crime of the US? Come on. It's not even 1/10th our size. That's a very bad comparison.
    Tubyboulin
    I think a lot of people missed the point; The problem isn't a band insulting a religious group, it's a government-run organization funding a band that's insulting a religious group.
    emphaticleech
    emphaticleech wrote: CrawlingHorror wrote: The Chinese had a civilization for thousands of years before Mary popped Jesus out of her womb. So to you the Chinese were savages then? Or how about other middle eastern civilizations? Savages? I mean.. the Babylonians and Huns were pretty damn barbaric. I definitely would call them savages. For the rest of your wall of text... everything is a form of politics and censorship and "bad things". Religion is in no way a bad thing. Just people in power utilize it to get more votes. And as for Japan having 1/10th the crime of the US? Come on. It's not even 1/10th our size. That's a very bad comparison.
    That and punishment for crimes there is generally harsher than here in the States.
    rockahollic1
    Brendan.Clace wrote: SkaryGary wrote: bottom line if there was a magical man named jesus that raised the dead and was so awesome dont u think there woulda been more books and tablets and statues made about him insted of the only place the guy is ever mentioned is in da christan bible?? evidence > belief HA. Ignorance is HILARIOUS. In fact, a lot of comments on this article are almost as hilarious as this one. Considering the Bible is THE MOST accurate "history book" ever written, with more supporting manuscripts of any book ever (including King Arthur, which most people seem to believe) I would have to say that Jesus was a REAL man. Also, he is mentioned by historian Josephus, as well as in the Qu'ran. You would know these things if instead of jumping on the "we hate Christianity" band wagon and read a book once in a while. People need to understand, they are not withdrawing the album because of the criticism from the "religious nuts". They are withdrawing the album because it was paid for with a huge grant from a government organization who gave them tax-payer money. Therefore, it has to be UN-OFFENSIVE content in every way shape and form. It cannot promote any form of offensive content. The fact that the organization found out about the content only after the album was released makes it even worse. Please people, do your homework and actually read some things before coming on here and spewing your random, non-sensical, band-wagoning hate speech.
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    mitch311
    GrungeHippie26 wrote: that wasnt funny or cool at all. Why dont you make a statement against hate or racism. Why do you feel you have to mock a religion.
    It's funny to some people. If you don't like it than you don't have to bring your attention to it, you can simply just ignore it. By itself this is harmless, it isn't doing any physical or mental damage unless of course you choose to attract offensive feelings to yourself.
    Dime6String
    Ok so why is it that when non-religious people speak out of mock religion, religious people play the "I'm offended" card but when I get offended by religion (wich I do find quite offensive) I just have to deal with it?!
    Denjario
    Regardless of people's preference for classical fiction novels and ancient mythology, the fact that this was given money from FACTOR is not good. I support the band and everything they've done, and I've never laughed so hard at an album before, but I think if they wanted to be edgy and punk, they shouldn't have gone through FACTOR. There's other means of raising money than handouts from the feds. It actually seems kinda non-punk to take cash from "the man" but that's neither here nor there. They shouldn't have used FACTOR funding if they wanted to be this edgy.
    queenslander47
    Sounds like a publicity stunt to me. No better than Gaga's Judas film clip. "Hey, nobody cares or knows about our band, what should we do?" "Let's put a turd dressed as Jesus on our album booklet, that will get us noticed." Although I will say, Holy Shit is a hilarious title haha
    MT_Obsidian
    Like I Is wrote: Eifler121 wrote: The Dragons are mentioned in Revelations to begin with, which comes from a man's dream about the Rapture and the end of the world. It''s the same chapter that describes God's tongue as a sword. Ever hear of a sharp tongue? Dragon is typically understood to be more like a Dinosaur, since the word Dinosaur didn't come about until long after the Bible did. Two different names for a big lizard. That chapter is just full of metaphors, and on top of that, it isn't always accepted by all Christian institutions. The term demon doesn't describe any specific thing aside from an evil force. Demons are also mentioned as Angels in places of the Bible. The fire and brimstone definition of hell is a way of trying to describe an abstract place where spirits go in physical terms. It's more about the effect than a precise definition. It's like thinking that God actually looks like an old white man. Behemoth simply means something big. It could be an elephant or a giraffe even. The story of a deity's son coming to rescue mankind is almost universal to all religions/myths. That's how Christians got the Nordic people to convert. They found a lot of similarities, and then told them Ragnarok had happened already, that Thor's tree was the Tree of Good and Evil, and that Adam and Eve survived Ragnarok by hiding inside of the Tree. The story of Jesus on the cross is also meant to teach more than that Jesus died for our sins. He also speaks to the thief being hung next to him, who was never religious, and lived a very sinful life, and tells the thief that he would be in heaven someday. So it isn't as black and white that people who aren't Christians or Jews or people that sin don't go to heaven. Jews also don't believe that Jews are the only people to go to heaven. I can't explain the miracles, like Moses parting the red sea or the sea of reeds, but the Jews escaped Egypt somehow. Doesn't seem like it would be that easy to just get up and go do. I acknowledge that the Bible was written by a bunch of people trying to make their story more convincing, but just watch the History channel once in a while, and you can see that there is a lot that says the Bible isn't just full of things that didn't happen. There are certainly some things that are true in it. I'm not trying to convert anybody, but don't act like people are idiots for believing in God or any other religion. Especially when every single point you bring to the table is crap. It seems to me that when you questioned EVERYTHING, you didn't actually look for any answers either. ^ Everyone needs to read this before they post anything else.
    I agree, Like I Is. After scrolling through the entirety of this comments page, I have to say that this is probably the best comment I see here. Very reasonable and well thought out.
    PeenieMcGee303
    I hate religion. ALL OF THEM and I really hate that I have to teach the know it all bible thumpers about their own bible. All the "apocolypse" theories are based off the bible, which by itself is non-historical and non-scientific. It's a story. Now throw in the FACT that most of the "apocolypse" theories are from a part of the bible called...THE APOCRYPHA! Here, I don't feel like typing anymore, I'll just copy and paste the definition.... The term apocrypha is used with various meanings, including "hidden", "esoteric", "spurious", "of questionable authenticity", ancient Chinese "revealed texts and objects" and "Christian texts that are not canonical" i.e. NOT TRUE! It's labeled in the book of made up stories as the UNTRUE part. LOL!
    jrandmb
    I think the opposition to this album need to realise it's a joke, it's tongue in cheek. The band haven't come out and said, 'we hate christians' or something along those lines. Comedians write jokes about christianity and religion every day. Also, if you google something like 'funny jesus picture' there are loads of images taking the piss out of Jesus. How is this worse?
    AngryGoldfish
    sacamano79 wrote: Im all for a good joke, but this seems a little tasteless
    +1 It's not funny to me to take a shit on a fat man lying on his face with a squirrel stuffed up his ass. So why would this be funny? Tongue in cheek? Tongue in cheek takes a long time to perfect. Comedians and professional writers know this. This band are clearly clueless. And actually rather selfish if it means the Canadian people will complain and demand FACTOR be removed from the scheme, which may subsequently affect loads of other bands and artists negatively. Bad joke that may cause people to lose their jobs. Nice one, pop-punkers. Seriously, that genre is a joke to me anyway. There are few pop-punk bands that I'd even listen to let alone buy from. The name pop punk just makes me squirm. I'd rather listen to straight up pop music.
    SkaryGary
    Brendan.Clace wrote: SkaryGary wrote: bottom line if there was a magical man named jesus that raised the dead and was so awesome dont u think there woulda been more books and tablets and statues made about him insted of the only place the guy is ever mentioned is in da christan bible?? evidence > belief HA. Ignorance is HILARIOUS. In fact, a lot of comments on this article are almost as hilarious as this one. Considering the Bible is THE MOST accurate "history book" ever written, with more supporting manuscripts of any book ever (including King Arthur, which most people seem to believe) I would have to say that Jesus was a REAL man. Also, he is mentioned by historian Josephus, as well as in the Qu'ran. You would know these things if instead of jumping on the "we hate Christianity" band wagon and read a book once in a while. People need to understand, they are not withdrawing the album because of the criticism from the "religious nuts". They are withdrawing the album because it was paid for with a huge grant from a government organization who gave them tax-payer money. Therefore, it has to be UN-OFFENSIVE content in every way shape and form. It cannot promote any form of offensive content. The fact that the organization found out about the content only after the album was released makes it even worse. Please people, do your homework and actually read some things before coming on here and spewing your random, non-sensical, band-wagoning hate speech.
    dude i went to catholic my whole life believe me i know the bible, the new testement was written hundreds of years after jesus died so theres no eye witness testimony plus the church only picked storys they felt fell in line with what they were teaching, the old testement is a differnt story and isnt relevent to this convo cuz jesus isnt in the old testement. my point stands theres no evidence this man ever exsisted outside of a book of giants, talking snakes,and zombies
    A CATSHOVEL
    Samhuinn wrote: $13.000 grant!? So the album cost $13.000.000 to make? .. XD
    *Facepalm*
    morciu
    sweet jesus so many of you really miss the point. It's not like they made the album illegal. They deserved it, if you want to be all badass and offensive be a man about it and do it on your own money. It's not about freedom of speech. It's really simple, if you wanna have a picture of a jesus turd on your cover you cant expect to place it on the shelf next to a miley cirus cd. Hell i wouldnt want to see gay porn on the shelf when I go shopping, it's the same thing. And government funded punk rock bands is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. I've never heard this band but I bet they're as creative as my toenail clippings.
    zlatsky
    Samhuinn wrote: $13.000 grant!? So the album cost $13.000.000 to make? .. XD
    $13,000 canadian dollars. So like $20 american.
    symbolic actor
    nazznate wrote: I like punk. I get the whole scenario. Everybody is fair game. Jesus is also someone that many people hold very dear to their heart.So Ian Stanger doesn't understand how someone would be offended by such images? No difference between Holy Shit album art and images of someone he loves (wife, daughter, son, father, mother) being raped and shat upon. That would be an awful thing to experience. I am in no way suggesting or wishing any such act on his family or anyone else, but I hope my point is properly taken.
    I pretty much agree. I'm all for people making whatever statements they want as long as they are handled with some level of maturity or good humor. But doing the whole Jesus is shit thing is just insulting in all the bad ways, and I'm not even Christian. I could be wrong, but to me it sounds like they were thinking, "omfg dood! jesis r shit lol!!!," and forwarded that thought to the album's cover artist
    Masterofpirates
    Too bad you can't do that with Mohammad or you'll get death threats. Funny kind of double standard we got going on.
    nazznate
    I like punk. I get the whole scenario. Everybody is fair game. Jesus is also someone that many people hold very dear to their heart.So Ian Stanger doesn't understand how someone would be offended by such images? No difference between Holy Shit album art and images of someone he loves (wife, daughter, son, father, mother) being raped and shat upon. That would be an awful thing to experience. I am in no way suggesting or wishing any such act on his family or anyone else, but I hope my point is properly taken.
    myownenemy
    I am extremely offended about this, as I am a Christian, but I think they shouldn't have their album recalled. I think they should have the right to express their opinions, and not have it taken away by anyone, not even their label. Maybe that's the American in me, but I would think it'd be obvious that they should have that right.
    PerfectChaos337
    The "As if this wasn't bad enough..." line implies that the author of the article is biased in a way that favors the side against the band. At least be neutral writing something like this. PS - Living With Lions totally rule. One of the best bands in pop punk, and they have been for a long time. If you're not in the know, you need to wake up, because you're sleeping.
    bluto62
    GrungeHippie26 wrote: that wasnt funny or cool at all. Why dont you make a statement against hate or racism. Why do you feel you have to mock a religion.
    Perhaps it is because many religions are based on underlying feelings of hate, and followed devoutly by racists?
    almario1402
    I'm Catholic, but I really don't think the album really deserves a recall, they can sing whatever they want and we won't care because it's a pop punk band XD Jk, but seriously, music is art, and you should be able to say whatever you want.