Rock Hall: 'Paul Stanley's Behavior Is Borderline Racist'

"His Rock Hall bashing wasn't appropriate," adds guitarist Ace Frehley.

Rock Hall: 'Paul Stanley's Behavior Is Borderline Racist'
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Discussing this year's induction ceremony, Rock Hall Foundation CEO/president Joel Peresman touched on KISS frontman Paul Stanley's stance toward the institution, calling it "borderline racist."

Asked by Radio.com about Gene's "surprisingly gracious" speech, Joel commented, "It was a lovely speech, it was actually kind of classy, as opposed to Paul's. That speech was the best advertisement for [pointing out that] what we did was right.

"He's been almost borderline racist, not in that speech, but in other interviews talking about how hip-hop artists shouldn't be inducted because they don't play instruments. It's like, 'What are you, kidding?'

"And he talks about the nominating committee, and how those guys don't buy records. Those guys buy records! They're f--ing fans! Those guys are writers and critics and musicians. Those are the people who buy records and got into the business because they love music," the CEO concluded.

In related news, Stanley's former bandmate Ace Frehley called his behavior inappropriate. Chatting with Dee Snider at this year's Revolver Golden Gods Awards, Ace was asked to comment on the Rock Hall being "selective" and "changing rules for every band, which is not cool."

"They have the right to do that, you know?" the guitarist replied. "I didn't think it was appropriate that [Stanley] needed to bash them a little when he was giving the acceptance speech. He's making a big deal out of it and he's gotta give them a shot."

Speaking of Ace, the axeman has recently premiered a brand new song "Gimme a Feelin'' off his upcoming record "Space Invader," due out on June 24. You can pre-order the album via Amazon here.

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    MthrfknBrkdwN
    Borderline racist? Are you ****ing serious? I see no hints towards racial discrimination! What a load of bullshit.
    dennis.1960
    I am so sick of people being called racist because they hate rap & hip hop. I hate rap and hip hop no matter what color the person is that's making it.
    Abacus11
    I agree. Calling someone a racist because they aren't a fan of rap or hip hop is insane. The accuser is considering rap and hip hop to be "black people's music" which actually IS a racist thought. Sometimes pointing the finger at someone actually reveals more about the accuser than the accused.
    telephonebear
    totally agree with you, its almost more racist of the guy who thought by hip hop artist he must mean a black guy
    Maiden95
    Unless of course the members of the Rock Hall voting committee view "Elitists" as a race, then Paul was being racist. Though I'd say that's quite a stretch.
    BiroZombie
    Exactly! No racism in what he stated. Now, for Joel Peresman to state that it was on the borderline of being racist, then I can assume that he believes that Hip-hop and Rap ONLY have black people creating, and releasing it to the people, and no other race does, and only black people are allowed to make it, because if you're a different race, trying to make this form of art, then you're a horrible person. "...hip-hop artists shouldn't be inducted because they don't play instruments." That's his opinion, and that doesn't seem racist to me, unless (as stated above), only black people make this music.
    JelloCrust
    The claim that Hip-Hop/Rap artists don't have musicians (when many in fact do) is possibly based on the very much racist archetype of a "dumb, ignorant thug." So yeah, it was potentially racist. e.g. Public Enemy has a live band, and not only that, but Flavor Flave writes most of their music, in actual treble and bass clef notation. . . yet a lot of people just assume he is a complete idiot. . . because he's a black hip-hop musician who's go to jail. On that note, do you have any idea how many rock musicians have done the same shit, and more and gotten away with it?
    Playtodie
    Joel, this is "Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame". Do you see hip-hop in that name? That's like putting Alien in a Disney museum!
    turkeyjerky214
    Alien is featured in the Great Movie Ride at Disney's Hollywood Studios park. There also used to be an Alien attraction in Tomorrowland at Magic Kingdom. But yeah, the R&RHOF is a joke. Hip hop is not Rock.
    kashmar88
    Alien Encounter used to be the best part of Disneyland, imo.
    xm0xyx
    That ride scared the piss out of 12 year old me
    mferguso88
    it actually made 12 year old me cry
    medialint
    12 year old me cried because I never got to go to Disneyland, all I has was The Roundup at the County Fair on tractor pull night. But I'm much better now that I found the gain knob.
    Chickendirt
    You're correct. Lets also take out all Pop, Blues, Metal, Country, Jazz, Psychedelic, Progressive, Ambient, Electronic and Punk musicians out because they are also not Rock n Roll
    Abacus11
    Paul isn't being racist he's just being a bit ignorant. Rock and roll has changed a lot since the 60's and 70's, thankfully. Hip hop, punk rock, metal and all their hundreds of sub-genres were born from rock and roll just like rock was born from the blues. Long story short - Great, innovative, influential hip hop artists belong in the Hall of Fame just as much as a band like KISS does. Long story even shorter - The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame isn't important.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Actually, the origins of hip-hop had very little to do with rock and roll.
    JelloCrust
    Well, that's bullshit. Yeah soul had a influence, but so did Little Richard, B.B. King, Screamin' Jay, etc. . . I mean if we're looking at roots, actual rock, not that 60s/70s thing that happened, but real rock/rockabilly, Hip-Hop and Punk are the closest thing. . . well, aside from rockabilly revival.
    bobbyk1978
    if this is the case, then why did they name it the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and not the Popular Music Hall of Fame?
    Abacus11
    In 10-15 years (or sooner) lots bands that were clearly just as or more influenced by Public Enemy or Grandmaster Flash than traditional rock and roll will be nominated and inducted in the RRHoF like Rage Against the Machine, Korn, etc. So, let me ask this... is it OK for a band that was influenced by hip hop to be in the Hall but NOT the hip hop artists that influenced them? What about a band like Radiohead? Tool? Are they "rock and roll" enough to be in the Hall? What this really does is highlight just how irrelevant and meaningless the RRHoF really is. So many rock-related genres have come so far in the last few decades, evolving, changing... and that's a great thing!
    beojiko
    I agree, there's no one complaining about blues artists being inducted in the RRHoF, so why complain about influential hip-hop?
    theclassicrock
    It's already happened. Anthony Kiedis specifically mentioned those two artists as to why he became a singer. Without them RHCP wouldn't exist.
    christianonbass
    I guess they didn't predict the future very well, or maybe they WOULD have called it the Music Hall of Fame?
    synthgod808
    hip hop does not belong in the hall of fame they should have their own shit its hard enough seeing madonna inducted but not journey
    JelloCrust
    Yo, Journey? Really? Public Enemy is way more rock than Journey. The GZA/Genius could rock Journey into a crater.
    hiltonsoft
    Isn't Joel being racist by implying that all hip hop is performed by black people?
    KerNeL_KLuTcH
    everyone who cries racism at every avenue is a closet racist, they say it in an attempt to disguise their inner racism.
    Hamburger89
    Seems like people are racist even though they know it is wrong so they overcompensate. Like a pedophile who knows it's bad to have sex with kids. They can't fully accept who they are without accepting their inner evil. So they stay away from the dark side like most people. So either they hate themselves or everyone hates them.
    scorpio2billion
    I don't think that's always the case, but I do think it's the convenient, modern way of stigmatizing a person. All you have to say is "They're a racist!", and suddenly everyone is supposed to hate them. It's ridiculous. I don't care if someone's a racist- it doesn't affect my life at all. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even if it's dumb. I'll respect anyone who says what they think a lot more than I'll respect someone whose opinions are based on societys expectations, which are generally garbage.
    Hamburger89
    He just doesn't understand racism is bullshit yet, so yeah he is kinda racist. Also he seems to be forgetting about the black artists in the rock 'n roll hall of fame. He also might be forgetting that black people invented blues and rock 'n roll. I'm gonna eat a mayonaise sandwich now and listen to some Jimmy Buffet, you know because my race dictates what I can and can't enjoy in life. I'd rather watch unseen footage of Jimi Hendrix sitting on the toilet taking a dump while fiddling his guitar than watch kiss perform.
    thf24
    I didn't realize that all hip-hop artists are necessarily a certain race. Who's the real racist here, Joel?
    Izzy-Sweet
    I.. what?! Where to start? First of all, not all hip-hop is done by black people. Second of all, as Playtodie said, it's called the "Rock N Roll Hall of Fame" Finally, just what the f*ck?! Seriously.
    axemagic
    Umm, where did the "black people" reference come from? I believe the statement was made in general to state hip-hop is not rock, therefore shouldn't be included, not because of skin color.
    Lord_Doku
    Here's the timeline: 1) Paul Stanley said that hip-hop artists shouldn't be inducted in the Rock & Roll HoF because they don't use instruments. 2) Joel Peresman thinks that statement is borderline racist. 3) Ace Frehley doesn't really seem to care that much. 4) UG readers recognize the implication Joel Peresman makes. By playing the race-card, Joel Peresman stigmatizes the hip-hop community. In essence, it's as though he said "all hip-hop artists must be black". The race-card backfired on him. I hope I've been clear.
    bobbyk1978
    Actually I'd say most UG readers fall under the Ace Frehley category. Not a lot of people care about the HOF, they just like bitching for the sake of bitching
    Bollockser
    Why do we have to blur the lines of EVERYTHING these days in order to appease the "politically correct"? Rap isnt rock and roll. Doesn't mean he's racist. This reminds me of schools that do away with gifted programs for talented students and special education for the mentally handicapped, and throw everyone in the same class for fear that the less intelligent kids will feel left out, or they give everyone in the class an award instead of embracing competition and awarding the person with the best grades, or best athlete, or best musician, artist, etc. Reminds me of how people are trying to make fat the new thin, because we wouldnt want anyone who's fat to feel bad about having zero motivation to exercise and a poor diet. Maybe they need to be shamed for their own good so they get in shape and lead healthier lives. Reminds me of how the media wants everyone to be an androgynous, pansexual, crossdresser, we can't have feminine women and masculine men anymore because that's offensive to the politically correct. These are examples of how popular culture these days wants to homogenize everything for the sake of being politically correct and it is ruining our society for the sake of being a bunch of over-sensitive apologists.
    RC52190
    Couldn't have said it any better myself, my friend. Good to hear someone say the same things I've been stressing for a while now. Would like to add that the way that I see it, the only racist in any scenario like this one is the person who's claiming that anything similar to this statement is racist. For those of us who don't tie a particular race to things such as genres of music, we don't see a statement about disliking any particular thing as racist because race wouldn't come to anyone's mind unless they actually tied a particular race to that thing. I don't think of any particular race being tied to hip hop and I'm sure Paul Stanley doesn't either. Has anyone told him that there's European and Asian rap too? Who's really the racist here?
    the_bi99man
    Slow clap. Slow mother****ing clap. Good to see that people who aren't retarded still exist.
    BuckinFuffalo
    I like your school point. High schools in Ontario have different levels: academic, applied, locally developed, and workplace. At my high school a few years ago, there were awards for highest averages and what not, and a girl who took locally developed won the 'highest female average' award every year I was there. It's not fair to the person who got 92% on 'level 4 difficulty' that they lost the 'smartest girl in the school award' to someone who maybe got 94% on 'level 1 difficulty'. All because we don't want to leave anyone out.