Roger Waters Calling for an Israel Boycott

Pink Floyd co-founder claims that boycotting Israel is the "way to go."

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Co-founding Pink Floyd member Roger Waters has publicly called for a boycott of Israel after accusing the country's government for running an apartheid regime. It is in bassist's opinion that a cultural boycott similar to the one implemented on South Africa is definitely the "way to go."

"I think that the kind of boycott that was implemented against the apartheid regime in South Africa back in the day is probably the most effective way to go because the situation is that the Israeli government runs an apartheid regime in Israel, the occupied territories and everywhere else it decides. Let us not forget that they laid waste to most of Lebanon around the time I started getting involved in this issue. They destroyed airports, hospitals, any public buildings they could.

"They are running riot and it seems unlikely that running over there and playing the violin will have any lasting effect," Waters tels the Electronic Intifada.

Bassist has even went far enough to personally ask fellow musicians to start the boycott themselves. Despite not wanting to reveal the names of the colleagues he has spoken to, Waters confessed on reaching out to Stevie Wonder prior to his performance at a gala dinner for the Israeli Defense Forces last December.

"I wrote a letter to him saying that this would be like playing a police ball in Johannesburg the day after the Sharpeville massacre in 1960. It wouldn't be a great thing to do, particularly as he was meant to be a UN ambassador for peace. It wasn't just me. Desmond Tutu also wrote a letter."

Waters also criticized the UK's Prime Minister David Cameron and his government's support for Israel by saying he is "entirely content for Great Britain to be a satellite nation of the US."

"Cameron has absolutely adopted Tony Blair's wolf's clothing that he [Blair] adopted so eagerly and happily when he went to war in Iraq on George Bushs coat-tails. Cameron is entirely content for Great Britain to be a satellite nation of the US. None of us can quite understand why.

There is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. The EU's diplomatic emissaries [in the West Bank] joined together [recently]. They protested the settlements and asked for sanctions. This is almost unprecedented. But the governments of these emissaries have done nothing and continue to do nothing."

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    rabidgoon
    this issue is extremely complicated and if you think one side or the other is the 'good guys' or 'bad guys' then you're a fool.
    ripper992
    Best comment so far... Apart from the one about Waters sending Stevie Wonder a letter, that one was just epic
    latinromans
    It's more like a thousand of these civilians died because there governed by violent extremist's vs a dozen of these civilians died because there government frequently takes neighbors land.
    Braykah
    Good point from Roger, something like this would be necessary. The problem with the Israel-Middle East conflict is that the elite stratum of both sides is dominated by extremists that are trying to eliminate each other, and the ones who are struck the hardest are the ordinary people, who are then also drawn into the conflict to fight the other side - It's a terrible downward spiral of violence, oppression and misery. I'm all for Israel's right to their own country, but the world community shouldn't tolerate the way that its government mistreats and discriminates Palestinian citizens, and a cultural boycott would a good way to display this.
    dsperez88
    You sir, win the award for the most sensible comment of the day. Thank you!
    shumpitostick
    Wow, someone that really understands whats going on here in the middle east instead of shouting their opinion they just thought by watching the day's new's
    Phiddler
    The problem I have with the term 'cultural boycott' is Jewish culture and Israeli culture are intrinsically related. What would a cultural boycott look like, I'm not familiar with the term? And if both sides are extremists than why only boycott Israel? I'm not disagreeing with you by any means, just curious
    FenderMaster
    http://www.chomsky.inf o/books/dissent01.htm Cultural boycott is probably just a poor choice of words. Waters isn't anti semitic, just anti zionist. What he means is boycotting Israeli exports and refusing to bring American/English cultural exports to Israel. The reason why some liberals side with Palestine, even though there are extremist elements in Palestine, is simply because Israel is the agressor, Israel is a member of the UN so should act in accordance with international law, because Israel has the fourth largest military force in the world, and because Israel kills alot more Palestinian men, women and children than Palestinian terrorists have Israeli men women and children. More Israeli's have died in car accidents over the past 10 years than by Palestinian terrorist attacks, it's literally David vs Goliath...
    elcapitan1800
    Speaking as someone who was in Israel two weeks ago and has done some in depth research on Apartheid, I can confidently say that this is a gross overstatement. The treatment of Hispanics in the US is a much more accurate comparison. It is really frustrating to see the way the situation is portrayed in the media, and how eager everyone is to jump on the anti-Israel bandwagon. No doubt it is far from perfect, but calling for a boycott is ignorant and wouldn't remotely address the issue
    NK508
    I don't think Israel has a right to their own country. The West watched the Holocaust unfold, and it's good that there was a desire to give back to an entire population of people who had everything taken away from them. But taking land away from another group of people was not the correct way to do it. By alienating the entire Muslim population who for generations had been living in Palestine, the West and Israel's policies are almost entirely responsible for the religious and political tensions that the area is now suffering from; and so if Israel had never been established, that would be one less problem for the region to deal with.
    FenderMaster
    Couldn't agree more NK508, you don't right the wrongs of an opressed people (the european Jews) by helping to evict and oppress another people the native Arabs of the region). But that's exactly what the British mandate of Palestine was all about. Give the majority of the land and control of the water resources to the smaller migrant (or invading) population. That was never going to end well... And it didn't...
    ToxXicSixString
    Wow read a book or two. The Holocaust was not the only thing to happen in WWII. Take a look at what the Japs did to China, or the fact our Allie Stalin killed more people then Hitler. hummmmm makes you think. How about the Batan Death March? How about the Fire bombings of German towns killing 700,000 Plus Children and Mothers which was carried out by the US and the British. Read a book and stop acting like the Jews had it so bad. Everyone has it bad at one point. Many many members of my family died in WWII yet you dont see me killing and wanting my own State.
    estabon37
    It's very true that the holocaust was not the only thing to happen during WWII, but you imply at the end that Israel was the only state established as a result. Many of Europe's maps were re-drawn, and several other nations were established. Conflict continued in many eastern European nations, and the East/West German divide is well documented. The big difference seems to be that these other nations were established and operated secularly. As long as Israel and Palestine claim that their relatively young nations are in fact centuries-old religious dynasties, there is little hope for compromise.
    arborohov
    you my good sir are more full of shit than any one on this page, for that a brand u the ultimate guitar retard. (toxXicsix.....)
    ToxXicSixString
    Tell me one thing I said that is not true? Whats the matter Arborhov brainwashed into thinking the jews are always victims?
    arborohov
    and i dont think you have a right to open your stupid mouth, yet you still do it. go open a book read some history and ull see when the jews moved to that region there was nothing there, no one wanted that area, they only started wanting it when people started making a beautiful country out of it. so instead making theyre country just as nice they used all theyre resources and money fighting and so called "boycotting while the could have used it to build jst as nice of a country. your stupidity make me sick to my stomach, shittt
    saint_berzerker
    The problem with this kind of thinking is that the people today that call themselves "Jews" aren't the people that were Hebrews/Jews centuries ago. This is a very deep subject that takes a lot of research and study to understand. Simply stating that "the Bible says it", isn't going to explain the whole history of this group of people from Europe that all of a sudden called themselves "Israel". The Palestinians have more ethnic ties to the Hebrews and Israel than these European variety have.
    arborohov
    It has nothing todo with ties to the land **** face, those europeans took the land even though by force just like America to Hawaii, Britain to hong kong and Africa, yet no one is making a deal about those. though some europeans take the smallest piece of land with basically no settlements everyone has to make the biggest deal about it. this is a simple case of anti semitism from a person with a 5th grade education ( saint_berzerken)
    latinromans
    Um, so there was no settlements so it wasn't a big deal, you realize your talking about the most important peace of holy land on this planet that inspired almost half a dozen bloody crusades in which europeans stormed over killing thousands of jewish and muslim civilians on the way. Where talking about historic tensions going back thousands of years, it was contested valuable land when the Israeli's originally took it and it still is. We decided to pick favorites in this high tension game of king of the hill and then we act surprised when it makes a bunch of people in the region hate us and chalk it up to them "hating our freedom".
    Mouloudo
    arborhov, you're just talking out of your ass, just type on google palestine before 1948 and see for yourself... oh and also F' you
    arborohov
    haha mouldoudo by the way talk a can surmise that you probably have a shitty taste in music which brings me to my second point what are you doing on a music website. wait scratch that UG is full of people with shitty taste in music.
    yaronbeery
    it would have been nice if you knew what you're talking about. israel didn't take land from nobody when it was created. the un decided on two states, israel and palestine, the palestinians opened war and lost.
    cwm1990
    there was never a land or nation called Palestine, Palastinians only claim to have rights to the area besause of their muslim beliefs, Just like Israel does. It's good that israel is a nation, palastinians have done nothing but wage war and refuse to unite
    FenderMaster
    Doesn't matter what the land was called, or which countries it was part of, Arabs still lived there, they had homes, schools, hospitals and lives. The fact that it wasn't actually a coherent country does not excuse eviction of the inhabitants of the region.
    tomviolence
    okay, i wanna make something perfectly clear. israel is not an apartheid state, and i will prove it. first of all define apartheid: some segregation by race, but also could be by religion right? ok, let's start with race: where did israelis come from? all came 60 years ago from the europe, africa, and the middle east. about 60%-65% of israelis are arab by race, me included. is there any kind of descrimination against them? hell no, we are actually a majority! let's see for religion: are muslims being descriminated against? well, if you've ever been in israel you would know it's a free democracy, no religion is descriminated! you are a free man whatever you are, weather you muslim, jewish, christian or a scientologist. arab-muslims, like the rest of israelis, could even get elected for office, because they have the EXACT SAME RIGHTS as anybody else http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ara... a list of knesset members (israeli version of the senate) who are muslim-arabs. so what do people talk about when they talk about segragation? a lot of people talk about the wall. well, let's say mexico was declaring war on the us. wouldn't they build a wall to keep them out? oh wait, THEY ALREADY DID! so why is it so goddamn astounding when israel is building a wall to keep out a people that are their enemies?! there is war in israel, nobody likes it, nobody is a fan. the u.s is also at war, also the u.k why isn't roger waters boycotting them? cuz that matters, he can skip doing a show once a decade in israel just to look like the new jesus christ. but boycotting the u.s? his career would be at risk! fake loser, lost all respect for him...
    elcapitan1800
    Thank God, someone speaking with some actual knowledge of the situation! What a concept... Very well said
    adamgur96
    Finally! a person who actually knows facts about this whole Israel-palestinian situation who speaks! I hope to see you around more fine sir.
    rami80
    I urge you dear sir to get a copy of the movie "Slingshot Hip Hop" and view the treatment Arabs get, and the dominance of Ashkenazi Jews in Israel(thought that it is not the point of the movie , the videos in it speak for themselves). On a side note I find both sides to be hypocrites, each a terrorist.
    tomviolence
    so being of arab descent and living in israel for 22 years doesn't cut it? i have to watch the documentary to get it?
    Mouloudo
    lol you're talking pure crap israelis are arabs by race? wtf ahskenaz are not arabs one bit, being jew comes from the mother, meaning you can't be jew if your mother isn't jew, meaning you all come from the same place, you can't become a jew coming from another race/religion arabs in Israel are like blacks in south africa in the 80's, they have the lowest jobs, mopping floors and shit arabs at the knesset are just a smoke screen, it's as useful as having a green party or a communist party " let's say mexico was declaring war on the US" first noone called war, then never in history did a country ever build a wall to separate it from another,then the wall was build INSIDE the palestinian territory that's a violation of any international right, and dont get me started on the gaza blockade, water monopoly, checkpoints INSIDE palestinian territory and the inequality between the third army in the world ( US equiped and founded) and home made rockets and that " there's bad things elsewhere, leave us alone and let us do our dirty job as we command" bullcrap just exposed your stupid biased jewish ass
    tomviolence
    1. no ashkenaz are not arabs: everybody else is. they are called "mizrahi" which means eastern 2. as i've said i am of arab descent. 3. my brother, also of arab descent, is a doctor in israel. 4. my father a lawyer. 5. being of arab descent has nothing to do with judaism one is a religion, the other a race. that's like saying you are not canadian because you are catholic. 6. how would you know how much arabs do in the knesset? have you ever read on the subject? i'm taking a wild guess that you just made that up. 7. well, blowing up busses for 20 years is kind of a declaration of war, if that's not enough, they did declare war at least 10 times in history officially. 8. no one in history has ever built a wall to separate them from another country? ALMOST EVERY WALL IN HISTORY WAS BUILT TO SEPARATE ONE COUNTRY/TRIBE/PEOPLE FROM ANOTHER! 9. not israels fault that it has water resources. 10. not israels fault that they are stronger, never heard that as an argument for why the country is wrong, because it stronger... at least that's original. 11. i didn't say that they should leave israel alone but: treating one case in one way and another in another way just for gain is hypocracy. and i believe he should be called out for that.
    kadmielm
    The majority of the people on this forum don't even understand what the word apartheid even means, Including Waters. by the way. Palestine is a name given by the romans to Israel a thousand or so years ago. It doesn't mean Israel stopped existing. Jews have always been here. Even during the arab rein, the turk rein and the crusaders. Did any of you know that Arafat the head of the terrorist organization was from Eygpt? He called himself a Palestinian and he wasn't even from the area. What a farse.
    jesse1994
    Right on Roger!
    rip3149
    He wrote a letter to Stevie Wonder? He's blind!!! Here's your sign.
    lpwjbklyn
    He was probably REALLY surprised when the letter showed up. Bet he didn't even see it coming.
    shumpitostick
    As in Israeli I am very disappointed by my racist goverment, but to go as far as that is really being blind. Lots of people in Israel want peace, hopefully things will change in the next elections.
    redisni
    "to go as far as that is really being blind". I see what you did there.
    FenderMaster
    I'd like to see him try to reach out to Ted Nugent Fair play to Roger for this, it takes guts to speak out against Israel, you're liable to be accused of being anti semitic. Time to end this disgusting apartheid and give the natives back their homes/stop destroying their homes. http://www.thehypertexts.com/images/isra...
    HarrySound
    Fuck this guy! Isn't he known as "the ***** in pink floyd"
    SFosterS
    He isn't known as the one who fought for the name and then after winning it, disbanded it. That would be Gilmour. OT: Power to Waters for having the guts to say anything against Israel, I feel like they are beyond reproach at times. Having that said we can never forget what happened to them and the fact that a large portion people want them gone/dead.
    soulgrenade
    Actually David Gilmour is the a**hole
    Vabolo
    I'd rather be the ***** in Pink Floyd than the ***** in the comment section.
    Phiddler
    Pointing to either side in this conflict and saying 'they're right and the other side is wrong' does nothing but reveal your own prejudices because neither side is right. Both commit atrocities preemptively and in defense. I'm Jewish, Israel is my cultural homeland, yet I disagree with them almost every day. However read their history (and the history of anti-semitism in general) and you will see we have been fighting this war for a very very very long time. I would love peace in the area but neither side is approaching the right way. And one-sided boycotts called for by foreigners who know nothing of the area are not going to help, just increase animosity. Who the f*ch does Waters think he is? Shut up and play music you're only fanning the fire with your extremist opinions. And shame on those who are following blindly. Educate yourself so egomaniacal rock stars don't have to
    Ed Hunter
    Israel is not your cultural homeland. You were presumably born and raised in the USA so the USA is your cultural homeland whether you like it or not. My grandmother was from Northern Ireland but I don't have an opinion on the "Troubles" or other Protestant/Catholic issues because it's none of my business because I don't live there and it's not my "cultural heritage". You're not exactly being balanced in your post and are attacking someone who has an opinion that is just as valid or invalid as your own. American backing of Israel is a massive problem in that area and you pretty much fully endorse it.
    Phiddler
    You have no right to tell me what is and isn't my homeland. I'm truly sorry for you that you have no connection to your heritage. What a shame I'm attacking Waters (who is in no way shape or form an expert on the issue and has a history of being d-bag) because he's taking a hard stance on an extremely grey issue. Yes I have my biases, but I don't believe that one side should boycotted while the other is not. I would never condone a 'Palestinian boycott'
    estabon37
    There are two concepts of belonging to a nation: Ius Sanguinis (belonging by blood / birth) and Ius Soli (belonging by being born within the nations borders). Israel, Japan, and Germany (especially Nazi Germany) are three examples of nations who focus on blood heritage. Most countries use borders because it means that I, for example, am considered Australian instead of Dutch / Maltese / Scottish / Australian. Personally, I think if your parents were born in the country in which you currently reside, that's your homeland.
    Phiddler
    Law of Return buddy, I could become an Israeli citizen at any point if I should so choose. The concept of Isreali as our homeland is extremely deep seeded in Jewish culture.
    Mouloudo
    this issue is as grey as nazis over jews and other european populations, or afrikaners on black people, or japanese on other asians matters are grey... And no dont serve me that " how can you compare us to our butchers the nazis" it's not because you have been oppressed one day that you will never opress someone else someday
    Phiddler
    Really? are you really that ignorant? GIve me the Israeli equivalents of Sobibor, Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Treblinka Bregen-Belson (I can keep going) Sajmiste, Majdanek, Maly Trostenets. The list goes on. Im not saying Israel doesn't do (a whole lot of) messed up things but after being invaded nonstop since 1948 you'd get cranky too. Yes, the can be belligerent but not 'Rape of Nanking' belligerent as you seem to think
    jaymz1989
    Couldn't agree more.
    Shaggy91
    couldn't care less. Leave your politics elsewhere, no one likes a dave mustaine
    mathiaes
    the difference is just that Roger Waters actually makes sensible and coherent statements, compared to Mustaine who hates all liberals and Obama, and just likes to talk about it too often
    HammettIsKing
    At least Shaggy is being consistent. On this site. Musician makes a liberal, anti-republican comment = Genius. Musician makes a conservative, anti Obama/democrat comment = Moron.
    TheExterminator
    Thing about Dave is his "conservative, anti-Obama/democrat" comments are fuelled by Alex Jones and his nutty remarks, making them "conspiracy theorist, anti-Obama/government/shadow puppet/THEY LIVE" comments, not anything worthwhile. Labelling every nut job that calls himself a conservative as a conservative harms legitimate conservatives.
    Absurder22
    More like Musician makes a coherent liberal, anti-republican comment = Genius Musician makes a batshit insane, incoherent ignorant conservative, DERBAMA, SOCIALISM BAD DERR = Bad. Haven't seen a whole lot of educated, conservative statements reported by this site so... Plus, Morrissey probably gets just as much, if not more flak, for his bullshit so stfu.
    Archer250
    I can assure you that it is not only on this site and it is for a very good reason.
    Wicer
    Never a good idea to bring politics of this level to a site like UG. Nonetheless, both sides have committed wrongs. However, if you plan on making a case for either side, you need to get your facts on both to do so. I won't take a side but I'd love to see peace in my lifetime in the Middle East.
    ripper992
    This is just way too complicated to get involved, yet so many of you guys do it
    TragedyGuide
    Music is a universal language understood by everyone around the world. To not bring politics into music is like a cheese burger without the burger.
    Zanary
    Anyone that's looked up the history of the whole Palestinian thing (from varied sources, objective as possible) knows that they're there specifically as pawns in the Middle East game. The Palestinian leader in the 1970s admitted that there ARE NO PALESTINIANS, just Jordanians, Egyptians, and others that want to keep an Arab foothold in Israel. The situation is horrible for the Palestinians, but if the Arab world really did care...they'd move them out of there. Iran and Syria, strangely, are major supporting players in this mess. The Palestinian leadership is also tied to terrorism, and proudly. Sorry, Roger. Can't follow you there.
    elaikeynan
    people just don't know the facts. the fact that thers no such thing "Palestinian" the Philistines were an ancient people that extinct from the world long long time ago. This is a historical fact. So who are the people who call themselves Palestinians today? If you explore in depth so you will find amazing answers. Just do not be ignorant.
    Abacus11
    He's right. The rest of the world has turned a blind eye to what's been going on with Israel for too long. Any other country that does anything even close to what Israel has done gets shunned globally.
    crazysam23_Atax
    It's comments like this that make me cringe and wonder how much history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict people have actually learned...
    Abacus11
    I've learned plenty, Thanks. When someone disagrees with you you really don't need to try to discredit their intelligence. Make a point, back it up, join a discussion like reasonable human... making fun of people who disagree with you just makes you seem sad and desperate for attention.
    Mouloudo
    sam is a biased jew, there's no need trying to have an argument with that kind of individuals
    Kain Highwind
    People should look into Israel's use of White Phosphorus Literally burns the skin off people and is a war crime They fire it into Palestinian neighboorhoods
    tomviolence
    you are right, israel has used white phosphorus, that was proven, so you boycott pink floyd fans? both sides used illegal war methods. that doesn't really explain why the pixies cancelled a concert i had tix for, does it?
    Kain Highwind
    just saying Israel has done far worse to the Palestinians than the Palestinians have to Israel They literally melt children alive Most people don't know about this
    FenderMaster
    You're right Kain, more Israeli's have died in car accidents in the past 10 years than in Islamic terrorist facts. The casualty/death figures are out there and quite easy to find. The Arabs have been losing from the start. Losing homes. Ariel Sharon flat out admitted that there is no Israeli state without the eviction of arabs, and that they are justified in their anger...
    elcapitan1800
    Yeah but have you ever driven in Israel?? Shits crazy...
    FenderMaster
    Maybe Israel would be better focusing on dangerous driving then, if it was serious about protecting the lives of its people.
    tomviolence
    you have no idea what you are talking about. open a book. it doesn't bite. stop trolling about stuff you never read about in your life. israel has killed 150 people in the last war, around 500 air raids on one of the most populated places in the world. do the math. does this sound like they were targeting civilians? no, does it? most of the dead were terrorists. i'm sorry, but when you go to war some innocent people will get killed... as much as you try to prevent it from happening.. gaza, on the other hand, aimed directly at civilian population.
    Kain Highwind
    When used properly in open areas, white phosphorus munitions are not illegal, but the Human Rights Watch report concludes that the IDF repeatedly exploded it unlawfully over populated neighborhoods, killing and wounding civilians and damaging civilian structures, including a school, a market, a humanitarian aid warehouse, and a hospital. Israel at first denied it was using white phosphorus in Gaza but, facing mounting evidence to the contrary, said that it was using all weapons in compliance with international law. Later it announced an internal investigation into possible improper white phosphorus use. "Past IDF investigations into allegations of wrongdoing suggest that this inquiry will be neither thorough nor impartial," Abrahams said. "That's why an international investigation is required into serious laws of war violations by all parties." The IDF knew that white phosphorus poses life-threatening dangers to civilians, Human Rights Watch said. A medical report prepared during the recent hostilities by the Israeli ministry of health said that white phosphorus "can cause serious injury and death when it comes into contact with the skin, is inhaled or is swallowed." Burns on less than 10 percent of the body can be fatal because of damage to the liver, kidneys, and heart, the ministry report says. Infection is common and the body's absorption of the chemical can cause serious damage to internal organs, as well as death. If the IDF intended to use white phosphorus as a smokescreen for its forces, it had a readily available non-lethal alternative to white phosphorus - smoke shells produced by an Israeli company, Human Rights Watch concluded. All of the white phosphorus shells that Human Rights Watch found were manufactured in the United States in 1989 by Thiokol Aerospace, which was running the Louisiana Army Ammunition Plant at the time. On January 4, Reuters photographed IDF artillery units handling projectiles whose markings indicate that they were produced in the United States at the Pine Bluff Arsenal in September 1991. To explain the high number of civilian casualties in Gaza, Israeli officials have repeatedly blamed Hamas for using civilians as "human shields" and for fighting from civilian sites. In the cases documented in the report, Human Rights Watch found no evidence of Hamas using human shields in the vicinity at the time of the attacks. In some areas Palestinian fighters appear to have been present, but this does not justify the indiscriminate use of white phosphorus in a populated area.
    tomviolence
    didn't deny it a$$wipe.. openely admitted to it a few replies back.. wp was also used in iraq and aghanistan.. let's boycott the u.s and u.k. oh wait! we need them for pink floyd's legacy..
    Kain Highwind
    It was used there as a smokescreen and that is legal It was used against military targets, which is legal Israel used it as a weapon, which is illegal Israel used it against civilian targets, which is illegal
    asdfst
    omg you guys are so ignorant. you really don't know what's going on in Israel. you only know one side of the story, how about you learn history and then talk about these issues. you all say it's not fair of how Israel is treating the Arab people but do you really know how they treat Israel?!? no. you only listen to their problems. do you know how hard Israel's working for peace and how much they negotiate with the Arabs?! no. you don't know how they treat the israeli people and how much they hurt. seriously go learn the history of how israel became a country, and you'll see that they shouldn't be blamed for making the arab people suffer. Roger Waters also doesn't know that much about it and thinks he has it right, he's a condescending man who thinks that just because he herd a few one sided stories about israel he has the right to lecture israel about terrorizing the arab people when not too long ago his country was in charge of Israel and many other countries, terrorizing them. don't you dare think that Israel is wrong just because you listen to the Arabs. you need to know much more about the situation before you judge, i suggest to really learn the history of this dispute and the way the Arabs behaved until now.
    ppiekoszewski
    Just because Roger Waters is British doesn't mean he agrees with everything Britain has done for the entire span of history. He criticizes the UK government in this very article.
    chunk9590
    Holy ****ing shit how biased. Look up the creation of Israel and you'll see they shouldn't be blamed for the Arab's suffering??? I'm pretty sure the creation and constant violent expansion of Israel onto property privatly owned by Muslims is what's pissing them off...
    yaronbeery
    you're sadly so mistaken, israel and a palestinian was created by un decision, israel embraced the decision, the arab, all the arab states opened war and lost. ask obama what's it like to be ehre this week with missiles falling and ask your self what would your country do when fired upon, when being attacked by four neighboring countries.
    rami80
    Arabs attacked the Israelis once in the Yom Kippur war all other wars were started by Israel. Also note that Egypt started that war to take back the land Israel took in a previous war. Please do not compare the 500 gram handmade Palestinian missiles,which at most can crack a wall, to a JDAM.
    asdfst
    you're wrong. arabs have opened war on israel many times in the past, like yaronbeery said, the un dicided on splitting israel to two part with two states, arabs and jews and the arabs went to war against the jews and lost. it's their fault. the six day war yom kipur and many others were started by the arabs. also, the arabs are in no way mistreated in israel: they get all the advantages jews get except they don't have to go to the army so if anything they're treated better than jews because they can go study in university while jews risk their lives defending them.
    FenderMaster
    Of course the Arabs didn't embrace the British mandate of Palestine! The Arabs had nothing to gain from it, they would only lose land, homes and resources, and the invading white european Jews had everything to gain. If your government decided to give half your house and property as well as control of all the doors and locks to some random guy on the street, I'm sure that guy wouldn't complain... But you'd be mad as hell!
    asdfst
    your wrong go study history! it is well known that throughout the Palestinian- jews dispute Britain always acted on benefit of the arabs and against the jews. you can see the restrictions against jews by Britain in the white books- their rules regarding the jews in several books called the white book. make sure you ****ing know what your talking about before you decide to talk bullshit.
    alsagino1
    How do you have any idea what other people know? Just because this is a music website doesn't mean there aren't any people who are familiar with the History of Israel. The international community overwhelmingly condemns the actions of the Israeli government against Palestinians. I'm also not sure what you mean when you say Israel is working for peace? They control the West Bank and continue to impoverish the Palestinian people there, while expanding there settlements throughout Hebron and East Jerusalem. If they were working towards peace they would not be doing this. Finally, if you're trying to sound smart never start of with omg, and try using capitals at the beginning of sentences.
    asdfst
    im not saying i completely agree with Israel's actions against Palestinians right now, but if look at the history of Israel you'll definitely see that the Palestinians are not capable to compromise. In the the past you'll be able to see many examples of Israel trying to make peace but peace can't happen without compromise, and the Palestinians don't want to share, they want all of it- because of that they can't compromise or start to really negotiate for peace. trust me most of the Israeli people want change, want peace but peace definitely requires compromise.
    alsagino1
    Thats just wrong! Palestinians want the land they had in 1967, that's less than they were given by the UN in 1947! It's Israel that wants everything and is unwilling to compromise. Politicians like Eli Yishai continue to push Jewish settlement into the West Bank and most importantly East Jerusalem, a process that has been deemed an Illegal action by the UN. Until this stops, peace negotiations can't go anywhere. I'm tired of people just saying "look at the history" or "know the history" without giving any specific examples. I do know the history, and I know that Israel has been far from cooperative.
    asdfst
    after many tries to take more than what they had in 1967 they agree. like i said i don't agree with the Israeli government right now, they should give up the land they gained since 1967 but keep in mind that meanwhile the Hamas- the Arab government in the Gaza strip keep bombing Israel and don't knowledge Israel as a state. over the years they kept bombing Israel so there's that issue- it's not that black and white considering the territory Israel has gained since 1967 was because of wars the Palestinian started, it's not like Israel went and conquer the land just because they wanted to, but as a part of a war the Palestinians started. like i said i still think that Israel should give up that territory even for her benefit because Arabs living in these areas are a part of Israel, and therefore are allowed to vote, so soon enough Israel will stop being the Jewish state. all i'm saying is that even though the Israeli government isn't right not giving up these territories, the Arabs are still being treated equally in the state (even more than Jewish people because they can start to go to the university at the age of 18 while the Jews go to the army until they're 21) so saying that Israel is like apartheid, or a dictatorship is wrong and anyone who says otherwise should try to live in sderot where they are bombed every day, or to just come to Israel to see that Arabs are definitely not mistreated if anything over treated.
    alsagino1
    The issue isn't with Palestinians in Israel, but with Palestinians in the West Bank, where access to water, agricultural land, education and healthcare is nearly non-existent. Also Hamas is an entirely different issue because they are a terrorist group. The Palestinian authority that is involved in peace negotiations is the Fatah party running out of the West Bank and lead by Abbas. Fatah is being praised by the UN and the U.S. for their efforts towards peace and are in no way liked to terrorism.
    AxSlngr
    That 13 square mile piece of land has been under military conflict consistantly for 3000 years. Muslims think its thiers, Christians and Jewish peple think its thiers. Millions of people have died for that chunk of desert. Thank God Roger Waters is finally going to fix it by not playing the Wall there.
    JelloCrust
    Way to be on the cutting edge. . . Punk groups have been doing this for a while, as well as other actual activists encouraging musicians to do this for years upon years.
    voodrew
    The Europeans and the UK create not only the state of Israel, but the need for a state of Israel. Then they complain when Israel defends its impossible situation. I dont agree with many Israeli's policies, however I abhor European whinning. The continent's cultural has been seriously degraded.
    Benjumanji
    What a crock! Israel has gone out of its way time and time again to make peace with radical Palestinian organizations and what's the response? "No compromise!" Palestinians fire hundreds of rockets into Israel every year and specifically target civilians and residential areas. Oh yeah, boo Israel. *eyeroll*
    tomviolence
    it's called "the 3 famous nos" no peace with israel no negotiation with israel no recognition of israel. this is documented FACT that nobody denies, google it. but that wouldn't stop people for crying how unjust israel is, and how ISRAEL is the one who should accept peace.. idiots..
    baneofmorgoth
    If I'm not mistaken, didn't President Clinton have talks with a certain Yassir Arafat concerning 90% of Israel going to the Palestinians...that he denied? I remember the term "all or nothing" being used.
    Kain Highwind
    Rockets that are so weak that they only create potholes in the streets Rockets fired in retaliation to Israel dropping white phosphorus (which is a war crime) Rockets fired in retaliation to Israel evicting entire Palestinian neighborhoods to make room for Israeli neighborhoods And don't forget the camps that Isreal is rounding ALL African immigrants, legal or illegal, into
    Benjumanji
    "Rockets so weak they only leave potholes in the streets" Ignorance is a disease. You're infected.
    tomviolence
    you are an idiot kain. you don't know what you're talking about. this specific pothole is around 120 meters from my father's house http://media.israelhayom.co.il/2012/11/2... i can keep coming up with numbers but you are just gonna keep saying b@llshit.. so what's the point? no, the rockets that were fired broke the cease fire. this is true for the last three times. these are not retaliations, these are provocations. no country in the world would get shot at and won't react. so israel did. israel doesn't evict neighborhoods, just use google for god sakes, this is false. and for your last comment: israel is building camps to put african immigrants in? interesting. you know how i know that's false, flat out false? I AM AN ISRAEL AFRICAN IMMIGRANT!!!!! STOP SPREADING LIES YOU IDIOT! HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT STUFF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT RISK FROM WHAT YOU WRITE! YOU REALISE THAT YOU MORON! STOP SPREADING LIES! CHECK YOUR FACTS!
    hurleyboyc58027
    It happened in 1776, and then again in 1948--people of the 20th century are less inclined to buy the bull*hit and I see why... Western culture, selling white deities, strategizing eastern control (ka-ching ka-ching), and simply doing what they do best... taking what isn't theirs. Let's shame those Native Americans and Palestinian "extremists" and "terrorists" who wouldn't quit fighting. Praise peace and give yourself a medal after you've maimed the last one. Give me a break. At least call this what it is.
    Kain Highwind
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/1... Israel Radio reported that dozens of Africans, mainly from South Sudan, had already been detained in the Red Sea resort of Eilat, including mothers and children. The goal is to repatriate all the estimated 60,000 African migrants, whose growing numbers are seen by many Israelis as a law and order issue and even a threat to the long-term viability of the Jewish state. Now they are caught up in a wave of hostility towards blacks in general, focused on a poor area of south Tel Aviv where they congregate. "We're being called a cancer and an AIDs virus on the Israeli people, by politicians in the Knesset," said protest organizer Jacob Berri. He accused government right-wingers of racist incitement and inflammatory language. He warns of Africans "flooding" and "swamping" Israel, threatening "the character of the country". Emergency measures to reverse the influx will include "detention facilities with thousands of units", Netanyahu said last week. You were saying?
    Kain Highwind
    And I like how you link to an israeli site There's no bias there at all whatsoever
    tomviolence
    detaining illegal immigrants, big crime! not legal! ILLEGAL! as i said I AM AN AFRICAN IMMIGRANT so stop talking about thing you don't know. yes, when 60000 people illegaly cross your border, you send them back, show me a country who wouldnt. and the link was to a building that exploded 120 meters from my house. the "israeli website" happened to get that picture from an iphone of one of my neighbours. which i know personally. stop being and idiot dude... give up..
    Kain Highwind
    and you said this in another post further down the page btw, i'm a jew living in berlin so what are you? An African immigrant in Israel or a Jewish person in Berlin?
    tomviolence
    i'm israeli.. my family came from yemen and africa
    Mouloudo
    africa, northern africa, you're a blackfoot from maghreb like the majority of the jews, stop pretending you're african ****ing ****
    tomviolence
    moved to berlin 2 years ago to study. what are you? an englishman in a dampy basement, trolling ug every once in a while when his tired of internet porn? what the hell do you know about israel? ever been there? ever been in that continent?
    Kain Highwind
    I know that they are not a "good" country in any way and that they shouldn't be supported in everything they did If it was any other Middle Eastern country, it would've been "freed" by the U.S. already
    MagicGuitarist
    Fuck him. He performed in Israel a few years ago. 50k people came to his concert, he got a ton of money, and then he boycott israel. By the way, most of the comments here are by people who never been to Israel, try living in Sderot, a city which the palestinians attack almost every day for 12 years.
    Mouloudo
    bad f'in call, sderot is a former Palestinian village called Najd, so good for you, I hope they wake you up at night to remind you that you live on palestinian ground and that people used to live there before your kind kicked them out
    yaronbeery
    go back and learn some history, you don't know jack. go back and try to find out when was the palestinian people "created" and why no other arab country wanted them. even jordan massacred them, and drove them out. there never was any other sovereign state here but israel.
    Dynamight
    Yeah well, long before your kind settled there, the Jews were kicked out of there by the Romans, so your argument is invalid. That's besides the point though, which is that Roger Waters doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about.
    The_Dayman
    Sorry, but I have to give credit to Waters for this one. I don't like the fact that if you are critical of Israel, you are labeled as an anti-semite. That's bullshit. It's about the way the country is run, not the people.
    yaronbeery
    you counterpoint yourself because if it's about the government and not the people then who exactly is he punishing? the government? he is punishing his fans, the people.
    tomviolence
    i got an idea, how about this: anybody who hasn't lived in the middle east, or studied it extensively and knows what he is talking about shut up. starting now. you've never been there, you just hear bits n pieces on the news. if it's pro palestine, it's a tragedy if it's pro israel, jews control the media. unbelievable
    Mouloudo
    shut up trying to play the victim, jews are doing what no other country is doing to another, the last country to do that was south afrika, and the level of mobilisation is nowhere near the one that S. africa had in the 80's aroudn Mandela, thanks to media and jew control
    baneofmorgoth
    Personally, I think that musicians should keep their mouths shut when it comes to politics. That's just my humble opinion.
    elaikeynan
    First of all, more than half of the world is muslim israel is just a small dot on the map, and its the only place that the israeli jews have in the whole world. once again the muslims owns on more than half of the world. just for you people can get a clear picture, the size of israel is like the size of new jersey. that what it all about. if mister waters was truly fighter for justice he would come out against the genocide taking place in Syria. but i gouess that to go against israel is in style these days. It's just sad how over the years we are slowly discovering the dark side of the moon... peace&love for everyone
    izzeeeh
    Right on. I don't think any sane person could agree with what the israeli government is doing.
    asdfst
    do you actually know what the israeli government is doing?!? no you barely know you ignorant dumbass
    Anjohl
    Waters is 100% correct. International law compells Israel to withdraw to 1967 boundaries, and end the palestinean occupation/prison camp.
    tomviolence
    the only reason israel got bigger after 1967 is because they won a war they didn't start. if you try and hit me for no reason, and end up on the floor, don't bitch about it to the teacher after. look it up. and btw, since that's such a big topic, what happens if they go back to the 67 borders? peace? no! the arabs are willing to sign a 10 year TRUCE AGREEMENT you know why? because they want all of israel. you think that i'm lying? look it up.. this is a DIRECT QUOTE from hamas charter, clearly explains the end goal: "The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree" but all they want is peace right? think i'm lying? put this quote on google instead of saying b@llshit... it's on hamas' goddamn facebook page.
    FenderMaster
    If the UN takes 60% of your house away from you and your family, and gives it to some immigrant, and gives them the only keys to all the locks and doors, with controlling access to all the taps, sinks and heating, you'd probably hit them "for no reason" too...
    tomviolence
    right, so the uk should retaliate. why the uk you ask? because they had the land before israel
    FenderMaster
    UK citizens didn't live in the region though, Arabs did, Arabs lost their homes. Britain claimed lot's of countries, including my own; Ireland, and they evicted the natives here too. It didn't matter a bit to my ancestors whether the land and house he lived in was claimed by a foreign king, what mattered was that it was his home, and it was taken away from him and given to an invading landlord.
    Anjohl
    Doesn't matter. International law forbids acquisition of territory through conquest/warfare of any kind.
    arborohov
    i have never bin a fan of roger and what his stupid mouth has to say, now after his uneducated ramble give's me reason to doubt how such an idiot could write such beautiful music. this is truly a mystery to me
    stoneyman00
    Are we really talking a bout history here? If so we should look back to the time when Babylon defeated and forced out the Israelis. Most people only talk about recent history, the last 60 or so years, when that is only part of the truth. That land has always been israeli land....Everyone on the face of the planet thinks it belongs to them, Romans, English, and eventually Pallestine.....Not saying I agree with what is happening now, but try taking my country from me and see what happens, id fight too. Violence creates more violence and it will not end until everyone finds common ground, I just do not know if Israel will compromise their borders, this includes the west bank.
    Mouloudo
    yeah let the native americans kick irish descent, black, hispanic from the US... oh and the italians will claim half of europe... and why wouldn't the germans claim europe back, or makedonian half of europe and asia like under alexander the great... the end of the story is that Palestinians were kicked ou of their home to let the jews have it, so the european can feel less guilty for what they did, and get rid of most of them
    rdg178
    People have been trying to wipe us out for thousands of years. There's not too many of us compared to the billions of other people. We will survive this as well
    badfish_lewis
    Great, another musician going on a political diatribe. I'm not saying he is right or wrong, that's not my point. Politics have and always will be divisive. There's no better way to alienate fans then to spew your political views. I don't care what Roger Waters political views are and I didn't want to hear them. Just do your job and play music. He's got about as much political experience as the rest of us, nill.
    hurleyboyc58027
    Btw, why don't we gift a new protected holy land to those millions upon millions displaced and killed in Sudan in an onslaught of brutal genocide that's been going on non-stop for decades... Oh wait they're black and we don't care what happens to them. Long live the police state of Israel! Unbelievable.
    Lovezoid
    Was anyone else amused that the article refers to Roger Waters as 'bassist'? I'd have thought he's earnt at least 'songwriter' by now...
    yaronbeery
    try this every body -
    FenderMaster
    yaronberry, what a ****ing load of propaganda bullshit. Here's an even simpler explanation: Arabs lived on the land. Jews kicked them out and took their homes. The Arabs want 100% of their homes back. Israel says it wants to give 30% back, but it's actions state everything to the contrary, it's actually taking more every day. If you evict me from my home and call it Israel, you can be damn sure that I won't recognise it as yours. If you offer 30% back to me I'll tell you to go **** yourself, because I want it all back!
    alsagino1
    You sir are very wrong. Arabs and Jews lived there, Arabs had control of the area, more and more Jews began to move into the area peacefully (for religious reasons), the Holocaust forced a mass exodus of Jews into the area, this coupled with U.S. support and British withdrawal lead to the creation of a Jewish state, and an Arab state which was controlled by Jordan (Israel never owned this land). Through war tactics Israel took much of this land back in 1967, creating the boarders we know today. Now Israel controls all of the West Bank. What Palestinians want is actually less than what was given to them by the UN in 1948 and never rightly belonged to Israel. I want to know where the F*** you got your information from, it definitely wasn't from a book.
    yaronbeery
    common alsagino1, don't bother him with facts, he's too busy ignoring videos he can't refute.
    MagicGuitarist
    That is just historically incorrect
    FenderMaster
    Do elaborate...
    yaronbeery
    even the quran states the jews living here in those times. i must even point out that the quran very clearly commends any muslim to respect the jews. to your post i'll just say that there hasn't been a time in history that jews weren't here. this video i posted claims aone very true and clear statement - we want to live in peace with them. i'm very doubtful about what they want. and regarding the concept of apartheid, watch this -
    FenderMaster
    True, some Jews did live in the region prior to the invasion from 1947. And they did own land obtained legitimately, that was not obtained by wrongfully evicting the natives. Most though, have no ancestral ties to the region, and do live n land that rightfully belonged to Arabs who's land was wrongfully, and illegally taken (by a member of the UN!). "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion First Prime Minister of Israel "This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy." -- Golda Meir "[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat." -- Yitzhak Rabin "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." -- Benyamin Netanyahu "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -- Ariel Sharon I can go on all day... Israeli leaders can admit that Israel has been attempting to evict natives and seize their land, and that zionists are the agressors, I don't know why you can't accept this truth. And I'm not watching another one of your Prager University vids, the first was offensively and blatantly one sided propaganda...
    yaronbeery
    your posts are just as one-sided as those videos. the arab leaders doesn't want to extinguish, not evict - kill, all the jews, not just the israelis? that's o.k. i guess, but letting the israeis have their piece of land, next to the palestinian state is not. the difference is that we're o.k. with them living next to us, they don't want us to live, period. not next to them and not anywhere else.
    FenderMaster
    lol at you calling mu posts and videos one sided after that crap you linked to... Not all Arabs want to kill all Jews, just the extremists, and they are a minority, and they get the most press. This Arab war against Jews (which so far has been mostly empty rhetoric with a few crazies doing kidnappings) is a result of Israels aggressive foreign and domestic policy in the region. You cannot separate Israel's behaviour from the animosity of it's Muslim neighbours, they are deeply and intrinsically linked. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, the hatred from right wing extremist Islam is a response to Israel's aggression, not vice versa.
    FenderMaster
    Now let's here another side, one with less (barely disguised) one sided propaganda...
    Miko Peled, an Israeli born Jew, son of a high ranking Israeli general who explains both sides of the conflict in an intelligent manner. It's really quite illuminating, and much easier to stomach than the bullshit video you posted.
    yaronbeery
    with all due respect to this "israeli born jew" i want to understand one thing.do you think that if there would have been a palestinian state here, would they allow jews to live in it and have the same rights as arabs have here? arabs are being elected to parliament here, is this apartheid? they have all the rights that we have here, so what is the claim? to give those rights to non civilians who want to destroy this country? let's try it in your state and tell me what you think then...
    FenderMaster
    "Israeli born jew" why the quotation? Are you trying to imply he is a fake Jew? Or a left wing or Muslim actor pretending to be a Jew to discredit Israel? He is an Israeli born Jew, his family and their role in Israel are well documented, this isn't propaganda, this is an Israeli speaking up against his country and it's religious and political ideology. Fact. It really depends on who exactly would be running Palestine, moderate or extremist elements. Had the zionists not done what they have in the region, there certainly wouldn't be the current animosity in the Arab world towards Jews. But yes, considering Israel's grotesque war mongering, genocidal history, I probably wouldn't expect Jews to be treated well, were a Muslim Palestinian state established on the currently illegally occupied lands of Israel.
    FenderMaster
    sorry, genocidal was the wrong word, ethnic cleansing was what I meant to accuse the Israeli zionists of...
    Sleez Boy
    not a lot of people are usually aware or probably don't care when it comes to Israel gov. treatment towards the Palestinians. There's some bad and there's some good. I'm too for the counrty right to exist, but common. It's a cycle, one man goes boom or does an attack and in minutes, jets fly by and drop a 500 lb.
    asdfst
    arborohov you're so right!!!
    GMPX
    Any country that is ruled by fundamentalist religious beliefs is also incapable of reconciliation with anyone outside of those religious beliefs. I'm with Roger on this one, but unfortunately it could also be applied to just about every other country in that region of the world with just cause. I know it won't happen in my lifetime, but I would love to see the human race finally wake up from these stupid religious beliefs and the world is populated by atheists.
    tomviolence
    you are absolutely right except for one detail. israel is not ruled by fundamentalist religious beliefs. you're allowed to be gay allowed to make porn. allowed to do whatever you please, like any other free nation.. none of the countries surrounding israel is keeping up with that standard
    howyjr
    Wise words from a wise man. At least he's probably basing his comments and opinions on a sound education of history and geopolitics, instead of flicking on Fox News or CNN to get the 'facts'. Let's hope we can evolve as humans and say goodbye to violence and blind hatred. Peace to you all
    Lovezoid
    I know, right? Start by pulling a 'Men in Black' memory wipe on everyone who belongs to a religion, so all we're left with as a new starting point is science, and see if we can get it right from there. Peace.
    Second Rate
    Yes, because we all know that every act of violence in human history stems from religion.
    areese82
    Fuck you Roger Waters. Why don't you and Obama strap on a suicide bomb vest, walk out into the desert and blow each other up, you terrorist sympathizing ass clown