Sebastian Bach Rips Young Rock Musicians: 'R'n'R Isn't About F--king Cut and Paste!'

"They whine and moan, I think it has something to do with technology," the singer adds.

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Former Skid Row singer Sebastian Bach recently gave young rock artists a major bashing, calling them spoiled and lacking the genuine understanding of rock 'n' roll.

"These young people that I meet or work with, have this huge sense of entitlement," Bach told Classic Rock Revisited. "Just because they play in a rock band, they don't understand why they don't have a mansion, or a f--king helicopter, and they whine and moan."

Stressing that it's crucial "to understand that rock and roll is a vicious game or you won't last very long," the singer continued to rip the youngsters. "You know, I think it has something to do with technology," he said.

"I will record in the studio with younger guys and I will sing the first chorus to a song and they will look up at me and they will go, 'You're done.' I am like, 'What?' They go, 'We've got it. We are just going to cut and paste from here.' I tell them, 'No we're not.' I've actually gotten in arguments with kids telling me that they don't have time to sing the whole song.

"I am like, 'You sit the f--k down and let me take you to f--king school. This isn't about cut and paste; this is about f--king rock and roll."

Pointing out that the lack of talent isn't the case here, Bach continued, "I meet a lot of musicians that are very talented, but it is hard for them to get to the lobby at eight in the morning to get to the airport.

"It doesn't matter how talented you are if you can't be on time, or be dependable," he continued. "I don't see what the point is of practicing in your room your entire life and then missing the flight to the gig. That s--t doesn't work with me. If I tell you I am going to play, then nothing is going to stop me. I just consider myself lucky and that song ['Rock N' Roll Is a Vicious Game'], the lyrics, are kind of directed to people who have a big sense of entitlement. We're very lucky to do this for a living."

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    "I don't see what the point is of practicing in your room your entire life and then missing the flight to the gig" Has he told his mate Axl this ?
    Yeah well, im sure he did his fare share of gigs that he made to on time, prior to becoming famous and turning into an arse.
    He's very right though. no one seems legit these days.peopling gridding their drums and guitars. The pitch correction on vocals. The copy and paste. Its starting to get out of hand, we need to go back to the roots.
    I would say cut and paste your demos all day to figure out how the song should sound and then record it straight through live. I dont think the cut and paste method seems to carry the energy of the song properly. My two cents.
    Rock and roll is about whatever you want it to be. Saying that its not about a certain thing is pointless as that just defeats the whole point of music. Self expression. Why would we want to limit the ways in which someone can express themselves, its their music after all.
    We will know when Bach tells that to axl when we find out that axl has atacked Sebastian Bach one of these days...
    Why are all musicians so bitchy these days...
    I wouldn't say "bitchy" as such, it's clear that musicians are (obviously) passionate about the music industry. You can easily understand that they don't want it to go to waste, that's what complaints like these are all about.
    They aren't "bitchy", they are tired of seeing younger musicians trying to cut corners
    He's not quite right. Cut and paste is very useful, when it comes to timing. I cut and paste my riffs all the time when I record something and there's nothing bad to it. Why waste your time when the result is the same? It's not tr00 methulz, you say? OK, maybe it's not, nonetheless it's very effective.
    It's honestly a completely different outlook on music. To me, the waste of time is writing riffs and songs that you can't pull of live (I mean that in the general sense, I don't know you). That extra time spent actually tracking all the parts of your song, without everything copied and pasted or quantized makes for music that breathes and sounds like a band playing. When I hear the vast majority of modern metal releases, especially death metal, I get turned off by the sound almost immediately. It's sonically sterile, and to me that's a big turn off. Copying and pasting is useful in a lot of cases, and digital should be about ease of accessibility and saving time, but imo 90%, unless you flat out can't play the part, tracking stuff as you'd play it can only help the overall feel of the track.
    Technology for the cut and paste mentality maybe, but not for the entitlement part. That woudl be mainly the decades of rich rock stars that was mainly around before computers were used for production.
    'Rock and roll is about living off one decent song and acting in The Gilmore Girls' - Sebastian Bach
    'R'n'R Isn't About F--king Cut and Paste!' I swear i saw this guy bumming Pro Tools on that MTV Supergroup show he was in.
    I disagree about the whole copy and paste thing. If you've got the perfect vocal take for a note-for-note repeated chorus, there is no sense in doing it again. Your elitism is just wasting precious studio time at that point.
    I personally prefer variation between each repeated section. Even if the notes are identical, I prefer if each has a slightly different flavour.
    Exactly! Listen to almost any SOAD song, the vocal nuances from verse to verse really add to it, if it was just copy pasted I'd probably have got bored of them by now. Just being able to come in half way through a song on the radio, and by knowing how one part was sang ever so slightly different lets me carry on singing the next bit, whereas some of my mates who don't listen as close will sing the verse prior to the one that is actually about to start.
    It's like having a drum machine, no swing. I disagree with you. A good band must achieve the same sound in studio and in a live enviroment (better in the last if possible), that's when the music is honest and when you know an artist is the real deal (don't count those pop lip syncing c***s)
    They should just bring back tape, honestly digital recording hasn't helped our cause.
    Allowing for cheaper recording, allow for more acceissible production, allow for smaller setups, more mobile setups, higher quality for less equipment, widerspread distribtion, less formatting restrictions, higher levels of sound control, easy utilization of timed programming, no major cost for the actual recording data...
    Harry Marsh
    Digital is just too convenient for people not to use when they have a much smaller budget. What the tapes made you do is learn your songs and learn them well, but digital is much better for your wallet.
    The best recordings still require some form of skill. As they say, you can't polish a turd, now matter how many Waves plugins and expensive pre-amps you throw at it. I still find the easiest and most enjoyable mixes I've done were ones where I got the perfect sounds on recording without anything. Very easy to get caught up in the world of digital convenience but the best results will still come from the ones who can master it and not the ones that throw things against the wall until something sticks. Maybe I'm just optimistic like that.
    lol to me, the only one i hear whining is sebastian bach, probly just jelly of our resources in the 21st century
    protools (etc) f--king sucks and is killing music - Sucking the soul and the groove out of music. Spotify, iTunes and file sharing f--king sucks and is killing music. Killing musicians ability to survive making their art. Technology has always been part of music - and improves music - when it is used to improve sound and improve performance. But used to just make it 'easy' it rarely makes things better... still, cant turn the clock back we are stuck with this junk now..
    I've recorded to tape and I've used Protools (GarageBand, Logic and Cubase) for various recordings and, when digital is done "right" it can yield decent results. I prefer analogue, but cost (as mentioned b others) makes it prohibitive and inconvenient. I actually tend to used digital recording platforms more like a tape-based set up, layering things in takes, playing continuously and then piecing it together, selecting certain tracks and partial parts for "overdubs" or panning. The only time I really cut/copy and paste is when I'm writing and trying to alter and experiment with arrangements as it's a simple and reasonably effective method of getting ideas down quickly. And, since I work weird and varied hours it makes it easier to then share these results with bandsmates/collaborators so they have an idea of the general direction once we get together, rehearse for six hours straight and make effective use of time.
    we used to (other guys I jammed with and recorded with way back in the day) used to demo on analogue - because that is all we had - and we didn't find it inconvenient it only looks like that now ... so it is possible to work pre-protools of course. Waiting for the other guys to turn up and collaborate with was when the magic happened. don't get me wrong when digital came along e.g. the Ensoniq Mirage 8 bit sampler came along we went straight out and got one - and a Alesis MidiVerb.. Technology does advanced and I am not saying it is not useful - and we do record Digital linearly these days like you. My main thing is the cut paste thing and quantizing is robbing music of some of that magic. Use it for writing fair enough just keep it away from the performance of the piece as you expect people to experience it - However there is no going back now.. I get that !
    He's got a valid point and I'm gonna copy and paste this link
    While I don't understand the cut and paste quote because my approach is to write a guitar pro song and convert it into rocksmith visual format and allow the guitar to be turned into a controller/keyboard. So in this essense I copy and paste for the guitar pro song. If I write one measure. I dont want 4 seconds to be just 4 seconds after the 2 minutes it took to write it. so I caopy that measure 4 times and play it 8 times and keep the song in a pattern/rhythm. Other than this if I multitrack my recordings I don't play the phrase/section once. I play it all the way through. Up to 15 minutes per arrangements, live. Everything I have in mind, even sub conscious thoughts, are expressed and it's like telepathic communion with an extraterrestrial being of peace. Other than this. I haven't anything else to say in this comment...
    Why do you have to cut and paste to figure out how a song sounds? That is what practicing a song is for.
    Well i think musicianship is about alot, but making it big is somewhere at the bottom of the list..