Sebastian Bach Wondering Why Only 0.5% of His Facebook Fans Bought His New Album, Accuses Rock Fans of Killing the Genre

"Why are you on my page? Are you there to look at the pictures?" the singer asks.

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Sebastian Bach gave rock fans and everyone who liked his Facebook quite a bashing, accusing the guitar-driven community for destroying the genre.

Chatting with 14-year-old radio host Miles "the Shoe" Schuman, Bach couldn't held wondering why only a number equivalent to 0.5% of his 800,000 Facebook fans had purchased his new album "Give 'Em Hell."

"I can't complain, because 'Kicking & Screaming' came in at No. 72 on the Top 200, and 'Give 'Em Hell' came in at No. 71, so I'm not in a position to complain, but I have to say this, I have go to say the following statement," the vocalist kicked off (via Blabbermouth).

"I have over 800,000 people that like my Facebook page, that read every word I write on my Facebook page - over 800,000 - and yesterday, it said - 75,000 or 80,000 people are talking about it. I would like to thank the 5,000 out of the 800,000 that got my record, and I would like to ask the other 795,000 people, 'Why are you on my page? Are you there to look at the pictures? Is that why you're there? 'Cause that's simple. If that's what you want, I'll put some pictures up, or whatever.'

"But I have no clue, when it says 800,000 people and 70,000 people today are talking about this, what are you talking about? What? Like, what are you talking about? [Laughs] I don't get it. Like, what? What? What? 'Oh, he's got a new record out. I've loved him for years. I'm not gonna buy that.' [Laughs] I don't get it. I don't understand. I don't get it. I don't know why you're on my page. Like, for what? Why? What? [Laughs] I totally don't get it," Sebastian continued.

Accusing the fans of killing rock 'n' roll, the singer noted, "[The fact that rock albums don't sell a lot of copies nowadays is] way beyond me, bro. Country music fans go out and buy the CD. Rappers go out and buy the CD. Justin Bieber fans go out and get the CD. I've got 800,000 people on my page, and 795,000 of them don't get it. [Laughs] Thanks! Killer! Thank you! I appreciate that. Thank you, rock and rollers.

"It's up to the music fans. It's, like, you read rockers [complaining about how], 'Oh, rock is dying,' and everything. Yeah, you're killing it. Unless you're down at Best Buy buying your favorite band's new album, don't talk about rock being dead, because you're the one murdering it. Country music is alive and well, rap music is kicking a-s. So I don't know what to say," he concluded.

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    I'd like to say "because the album is shit", but it would be too obvious. There's got to be the other reason, surely.
    It's because 795,000 people genuinely thought he was the classical musician.
    To be honest, that's always the first person I think about when I see/read headlines about Sebastian Bach :/
    I've thought this for a while and I'm glad to finally see that I'm not the only one who thinks about the composer every time I read reports about the rock singer, whose birth surname is actually "Bierk".
    Why his album doesn't sell I don't know (bad album, downloading etc.) Why so many people like his page however, is to project a social identity on facebook. I use facebook and it has good uses like event updates and perhaps even the odd nice posts, but the main reason people post anything on facebook is wait to see the likes.., feel socially accepted.., then like every other post that you deem to be by a popular person or someone you want recognition from.
    The thing is, there's always records coming out and you can't buy all of them. I like bands/musicians facebook pages to get news about concerts or upcoming albums. It's not like you can't like a band if you're not gonna buy the new album the second it's released.
    This. I don't even think all of his fans that like his page on Facebook are even seeing his posts all of the time either. Not everyone is that active to check.
    I think he needs to realize that not in the past thirty years has someone thought rock and roll and then immediately thought Sebastian Bach. Rock and Roll is dead as Bach knows it; that hair metal ultra-machismo crap is gone. And thankfully. That's why Great White played a show for 20 people last month. The 60's have The Beatles and Jimi Hendrix, the 70's have Zeppelin and Sabbath, the 90's have Pearl Jam and Nirvana, the 2000's have the White Stripes and the Black Keys. These are all bands that have had longevity and whose music has outlasted the lifespan of the bands. The 80's don't have much of an equivalent for Rock. Maybe Chili Peppers or Soundgarden, but they didn't gain popularity til the 90's for the most part.
    I love how gracefully you skipped the 80's :p What you're saying is true though
    It was a dark age for music in my honest opinion. Nothing that was good reached the mainstream ear. I have albums from every decade going back to the 40's, but I would be hard pressed to find anything from the 80's that I've purchased. I own Loud Love, Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Violent Femmes' first album, and the Beastie Boys' second album.
    Are you people high? The 80's produced some of the best METAL and ROCK ever made!! From Ratt to Slayer to Satriani!!! In no other decade, was so much rock and roll created!! Dark Ages, for you maybe. God what a bunch of wanna be's.
    When I saw the comment that put Nirvana in rank with true icons (even though I don't care much for the Beatles ) I puked a lil. Grunge had a 3 to 4 yr party and it was DEAD! 80's hard rock & metal will live forever you troll'n lil bastards lol
    link no1
    Metallica from the 80's. Whether or not you like them, or whether or not you think they've become shitty, they're an iconic band of the 80's in the same way as the other bands you listed.
    They're not rock, though. I wasn't listing Metal music. I don't really like Nirvana, and I don't love the Beatles as much as some people. So I included bands other than my favorites. Metallica and Guns n Roses are similar in that they've lost all of their previously claimed respect, especially in the past ten years. They were once put on a pedestal like these other bands, but that's really gone away.
    Ratt's has some talented artists... Warren DeMartini and Robbin Crosby were a killer team. DeMartini could probably play circles around 80% or more of the guitarists back in 1984.
    Hell yeah they could, as could Reb Beach from Winger , bunch of trash talkin lil kids who don't know shit about talent. Grunge was lazy music... no solo's because they couldn't be bothered learning how to actually play the ****ing guitar.
    Blood Sugar came out in 91 dude (same day as Nevermind as well) I'd say the 80's was what formed the 90's with bands starting to differentiate from what was deemed normal in the 70's and prior To say the 80's was terrible, is very wrong with the birth of metal, the rebirth of punk (the punk revival in the mid 90's was started by bands who formed in the 80's). I'd see it more like the experimental decade, that pretty much solidified the ability for any rock band to make what ever music they wanted and however they wanted to.
    You're right. I must have it confused with Mother's Milk. Like I said, there were bands that were underground in the 80's that were good, but they didn't get big until the 90's. I have also said I'm strictly talking about Rock and not Metal.
    This. I watched some Top 10 list about the 80s, and genres was one of em. The 80s was the time where you didn't have to be, Rock, pop, or country. There were metal sub genres emerging, different kinds of rock, new wave. Its the decade that shaped what music is today pretty much. It started the be who you wanna be thing.
    van halen for 1980s if were counting sabbath as their lifespan of being over too
    Exactly Van Halen. lets not forget that whole thrash metal movement either, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth etc, the 80s did have some pretty smoking music aside from the glam rock.
    The goal of all of these "real" metal bands are ultimately the same as any hair metal band. It's just painted different, and played faster.
    Metallica formed because they hated hair bands and wanted to do the complete opposite of them, and they pretty much did, they didn't even make a music video until their fourth album. Something tells me you don't know much about 80's bands.
    Hell lol, whenever an Overkill fan says hair metal sucks, which I like some of it (ones with talent lol), I just remind em of the first lineup of Overkill. They were as glam as Motley Crue ahahaha
    Yeah, sure, there's a lot of machismo in metal, but a part of the appeal is it empowers the listener. But there are types of metal that don't really have any of that, you just have to look. Metal is probably the most expansive genre out there, that you could probably find a metal band for everyone.
    I'm just talking about Rock. I'm not going into metal. Van Halen isn't even a blip on my radar to be honest, and some early Metallica is alright. Black Sabbath was declining on the last couple Ozzy albums, and Dio didn't help them recuperate at all. I think metal just about sucks as a genre, though, especially Slayer and Megadeath. It's just lame, pseudo-macho crap, to me.
    Velcro Man
    Just because they're not a blip on YOUR radar doesn't mean they're not one of the biggest names in rock music. Don't forget Stevie Ray Vaughan, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, The Firm, Primus, Rush (they got the biggest in the 80s), Brian Johnson fronted AC/DC, Ozzy which always seemed less metal and more rock to me and Queen (who were getting their biggest in the 80s) Rock music in the 80s was more influenced by metal because it was the most popular music at the time, so if you just ignore harder music, you're ignoring the best the period had to offer. 60s = Psychedelic 70s = Hard Rock (Prog and Punk) 80s = Metal 90s = Alternative (Grunge and all that) 2000s+ has been kinda all over the place. YOU might not have liked it, but it was every bit as relevant as every other period of rock music.
    A freakinmen brother!! 80's created Metal and the Hard Rock I come to this site for. All these Zeppelin worshippers calling out the 80's makes me wanna gag (with a spoon even).
    I personally count Van Halen as a 70's band. We could arguably count Dio-era Sabbath, but I don't think that's the first thing anyone thinks of when they think of Black Sabbath.
    The only stuff I can think of for the 80's off the top of my head is bands like The Cure, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, My Bloody Valentine, R.E.M, The Smiths, Dinosaur Jr and Mudhoney, but like the aforementioned RHCP and Soundgarden, a lot of those bands didn't gain popularity until at least the 90's. As far as underground music goes it was amazing, and a lot of that stuff has stood the test of time as far as I am concerned. Bands like Motley Crue and Poison? Not so much.
    You need to listen outside the box sonny. The bands you mention are certainly worth their due but there is a whole world of rock music that went on out there in all of those decades you mention and you have barely scratched the surface. As for your quote about Van Halen not even being on your radar just plain ridiculous when speaking of the rock genre....Van Halen are rock legends in their own time.....
    The point wasn't to encompass every good band from the creation of rock music, it was to list what most would consider the one or two most important bands in each decade. Honestly, outside of the progressive or 80's glorifying world, Van Halen isn't that relevant.
    Velcro Man
    Relevant is a subjective term, but if you are referring to their popularity, you're out of your mind. Also, pretty much every decade has faaaar more than 1 or 2 "important" groups, don't be narrow-minded.
    I mean relevant as in clear influence has been taken from them. Obviously each decade has more than 1 or 2 important groups, but I'm also obviously not going to make a comprehensive list in a U-G post.
    This is just silly. Many great "rock" albums came out in the 80s. Aerosmith cleaned up and released some great music during the 80s, Van Halen was doing well. Guns N Roses released the most amazing debut record I've ever heard, ZZ Top released Afterburner, ACDC also released the biggest rock n roll album of all time at the beginning of the 80s, and went on to release a few other amazing records in the 80s. Def Leppard (who aren't hair metal) released TWO defining rock albums of the decade, Pyromania AND Hysteria.... Dire Straits even released "brothers in arms" in the 80s. Infact, the more you examine it, the more you're wrong. LOTS of great ROCK albums and artists flourished in the 80s just fine, many of them recording and releasing some of their most iconic work.
    I think he was talking more about bands that came fresh out of the 80's, were insanely popular and had longevity to them, following that specific criteria, Guns 'n' Roses is the only band that fits the bill out of all the ones you've mentioned. Most of the bands you've mentioned started in the 70's and were getting a few albums under their belts by the time the decade was up. You're definitely right for albums in the 80's though.
    Because getting a new album generally costs money, but clicking "Like" on Facebook is free.
    I've downloaded a heap of albums (illegally) and gone and brought all the good ones on CD. This is not a good one sorry Seb
    So he doesn't understand how Facebook fans, reach, and who see's his posts work? This statement should be for his PR team, Not his fans.
    "I have over 800,000 people that like my Facebook page, that read every word I write on my Facebook page" no they don't everywhere i go on facebook i see people complaining about their band pages not actually reaching all of their fans unless you pay big bucks even assuming he does the maximum promotion option with facebook, people often just zip past anything promo-related without taking it in because it's an obvious ad and being bombarded with those is annoying also he's boring / irrelevant
    "I have over 800,000 people that like my Facebook page, that read every word I write on my Facebook page" [citation needed]
    Doesn't only like 7% of facebook fans see the actual posts...? correct me if I'm wrong.
    You are correct. He hasnt learned that twitter is the new best way to present your band on the internet.
    lol "These young people that I meet or work with, have this huge sense of entitlement," Bach told Classic Rock Revisited. "Just because they play in a rock band, they don't understand why they don't have a mansion, or a f--king helicopter, and they whine and moan." Stressing that it's crucial "to understand that rock and roll is a vicious game or you won't last very long," the singer continued to rip the youngsters. "You know, I think it has something to do with technology," he said.
    I feel like his problem is that he can't decide if he's rock or pop and that makes him generic rock. His tunes are never too bad, but every time I look at one of his albums I just feel like it's something I bought years ago that didn't have lasting appeal.
    Man, all this guy does is complain about his fans. It's just a facebook like, it's meaningless anyway. You know what else I liked on facebook? "Animals stuck in odd places but don't seem to mind." Get over it.
    Looks like someone doesn't understand how Facebook and Edgerank work.
    If he spent his time sounding as metal as he likes to look, more people would buy his records.
    Probably not because metal's not popular enough with mainstream audiences to sell to 800,000 people.
    I wonder if Ferrari ask themselves 'how come we have 14 million likes, but we only sold 6922 cars last year?'. Maybe NBC wonders why more people like the Seinfeld facebook page than watch the reruns. Or maybe they have a feint understanding of how social media works.
    It's hard to say why no one bought it, there could be a myriad of different reasons. But it is thought provoking that pop fans are more prone to buy the newest albums, stuff like Lady Gaga sells like hotcakes while rock fans are a lot less hooked on paying for stuff. But then again, maybe he isn't as popular as he thinks he is, or maybe people streamed it instead, who knows?
    Facebook doesn't show your post to 100% of the followers. he even says so himself that only around 10% of his followers/likes actually "see" his posts. Of that 10%, maybe 95% likes his music, but isn't a hardcore fan and is contempt listening to some of his songs on spotify or youtube or whatever. the rest actually is and bought the album. not to mention that some people wont even have the funds to buy an album. Or they won't buy the album, but they'll go buy a ticket for a show of him. Really, if you have 800.000 fans, it doesn't mean they should buy every goddamn song you put out. to me sebastian is becoming a bitter old man.
    It has nothing to do with Facebook. Across all forms of media, music, movies the conversion rates, loads vs. actual sales are only around 3 - 4%. His rate of 10% was most likely acquired by using promoted posts in which your statistics don't really apply. The primary reason these load conversion rates are so low is that because of the proliferation of illegal downloading there has become a culture of expectation for free content. The second reason is that a large segment of people don't have the necessary credit cards. Third is the content. I say that because in the presence of superior content the numbers only jump slightly higher.
    In the 1980s and 1990s Skid Row fans were in their teens and twenties and had a lot more disposable income. The economy is much different in 2014 and most of his fans are older and trying to raise families, pay bills, etc. Dropping 12-14 bucks on a mediocre (at best) album just isn't a luxury that many working adults have these days. Sebastian... it's time to realize that the gravy train of 25 years ago is over - be grateful that you sold 5000 albums and carry on or look for another job.
    This this this x1000. Seriously. Find a way to make him see your post.
    i really like Bach but his solo work sucks,sry but it is
    Yeah. He never really did top the absolute greatness of "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor for Organ" that he released quite a while ago, but I still support his current work.
    "But I have no clue, when it says 800,000 people and 70,000 people today are talking about this, what are you talking about? What? Like, what are you talking about? [Laughs] I don't get it. Like, what? What? What? 'Oh, he's got a new record out. I've loved him for years. I'm not gonna buy that.' [Laughs] I don't get it. I don't understand. I don't get it. I don't know why you're on my page. Like, for what? Why? What? [Laughs] I totally don't get it," - quote of the year
    I agree with Sebastian here! pop fans are buying music, rap fans are buying music but most rock fans are not! it really is that simple, most rock fans just don't wont to admit it.
    I never liked his band, but just because of this article I want to pirate the album and just delete it.
    "Unless you're down at Best Buy buying your favorite band's new album, don't talk about rock being dead" Wth, is Best Buy even still a store?
    more importantly, why is Sebastian Bach plugging a giant corporate chain as the place to buy music? Its selection is both over priced, and understocked, not an ideal place for music fans to shop.
    Maybe it's because rock fans aren't sheep, and you actually need to produce good music to make them buy it, unlike country or rap fans.
    This actually makes a lot of sense. Country fans will obviously buy anything that CMT tells them to. The existence of modern country music is undeniable proof of that. And as for rap music, well... There are millions of people who actually believe (and regularly claim) that lil wayne is the best rapper ever. While anyone who's ever listened to rap music and isn't literally retarded knows that not only is lil wayne nowhere near the best rapper ever, he actually has a very strong claim for the title of worst rapper ever.
    I like that there is a complete paragraph showing how he has no idea whats going on, with like 10 time "what" and "i don't get it".
    "I have over 800,000 people that like my Facebook page" How many of those are just paid clicks?
    Didn't even know he had a new album... Plus we don't have many record stores that would stock it in NZ. Easiest place to get music from is The Warehouse and they won't stock it.
    "shouldn't he start rapping and make his singing sound like Justin Bieber to sell??" Funny you should bring that up! S-Bach knows where there real money is... in dance music.
    He sounds like he's having a stroke in this article! Much more fun to read if you imagine that!
    I kinda agree with him that the people killing rock are sometimes the people who listen to it. Not so much on sales, but on how negative they can be. Take this site for example, it seems that the users here pretty much think every band sucks now-a-days.
    It's simple, if a record is good enough, I go out and buy a physical copy. Other than that, I have better ways to spent the money.
    I love Skid Row and Sebastian Bach, but the album is not available in our record stores here in Manila. So how the hell can I buy it?
    To someone like me, who kinda grew up in the internet age - when i was a teenager the internet was as strong as it is now, i can fully understand why so many people didn't get his album - and i think it's kinda sad. I think he is pretty right in this generally, but it's just how people are now. I think it's because for the average listener, rock is a comfy thing now. There is no rebellion anymore. Because noone bothers. Not because there couldn't be one, or shouldn't be one. People just don't bother. Hit the song up on youtube, listen to any song as if it was a piece of fiction - in one ear and out the other. We're all used to this. The interwebz has changed culture in many ways. However i completely understand, for someone like him, who grew up when Rock n roll was actually a real thing and music actually really meant something, and when people would bother to support what they like in music, it must be very weird indeed. But let's be honest. It's music itself. It's generally too boring now. It's all about video games now! That's what most kids do, thats what most kids and young adults are into. And theres really nothing wrong with that - however i do find that music and subcultures are an important part in forming identity, and generally, these people raised on video games and diet coke tend to be.. rather bland and boring. But myea. Honestly, i think it's because video games are the focus now. Let's not forget that technically the biggest celeb in the world right now with a viewer-base of 26 or so million people is Pewdiepie. Who comments on video games. TIMES ARE A-CHANGING!
    Technically Pewdiepie is a shitstain on the heel of any major music act or actor, he is not the "biggest celeb in the world". Also his subscriber numbers are not unique, there are probably millions of doubles he got by moving around to different countries (however that system works).
    "There is no rebellion anymore. Because noone bothers. Not because there couldn't be one, or shouldn't be one." I think we need another republican president. Notice when bush was in power, there was a rock movement. There's no real movement anymore, because there no problems to write and rock about Obama.