Sex Pistols Slam Green Day

John Lydon has hit out at Green Day calling them "plonk" and accusing them of stealing the term "punk".

Sex Pistols Slam Green Day
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The former Sex Pistols frontman John Lydon has lashed out at rockers Green Day, accusing them of stealing the term "punk". The singer -- who performed as Johnny Rotten -- claims the American band has reduced a political movement into a simple musical style. He says, according to Contactmusic: "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk. They're not, they're plonk and they're bandwagoning on something they didn't come up with themselves. I think they are phony." Referring to his band's battle with the police and censors during its heyday, Lydon adds, "The government's against you, the police are on you. "So there we are fending off all that and it pisses me off that years later a wank outfit like Green Day hop in and nick all that and attach it to themselves. "They didn't earn their wings to do that and if they were true punk they wouldn't look anything like they do." Thanks for the info to PunkBands.com.

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    mattlock
    egadowsk wrote: First of all- The pistols never sold millions, even today theyve sold less than 500k copies, their success was entirely based on reputation since the airwaves wouldnt play 'em. The Pistols may have focused heavily on aesthetics but aside from that, they wrote their own material and did what they wanted to do which resulted in things that dont do well for success- censorship, shops refusing to carry their singles, the US briefly refusing to allow them to tour, getting kicked off a major label (EMI). McLaren used the Pistols and the entire London punk scene to sell clothing but he didnt "manufacture" or create the band. Rottens point is valid- Green Day to this day still refer to themselves and their music as punk in their interviews. Unlike The Pistols, Green Day has never faced censorship, intolerance, violence, police brutality for their music and views.
    McLaren told them what to write their songs about. And they did. The Ramones and the Clash own them any day.
    Stevethegreat
    [b]IlIk2plygUItAr[ /b] wrote: He had it that bad, and look at how happy and smiling he is!
    I'd be pretty happy too if I were: A.Famous B.Rich C.A full-time musician D.All of the above It kind of makes you look stupd when you refer to Simple Plan and Green Day as 'punk' kids.
    harm0n20
    because true punks worry about what other punks look like and do. honestly who gives a rats ass if Green Day is punk or not.
    Mikeoman
    Green Days
    I agree with everything you said, there was so much emotion and raw energy put into music before 1990, nowadays it seems that all the new bands are in it to make money and whine about their perfect lives that supposedly "Sucks".
    I agree with you there. I never listened to any of that Simple Plan stuff, but I was bored once, read the little book in the CD case, and all the lyrics were just plain whiny. I think someone should make a CD telling all them whiners to shut their pieholes. Because I hear a lot of whining in the new stuff( well, the titles of their songs, don't listen to them that much) Heres something interesting for all the punks to listen to: I went to a B.B. King concert once. Now, B.B. King had to work on a farm his whole youth, not making much money, his mother died when he was young, he was alone a lot, and he generally had it bad. now, I see B.B. in concert and he's smiling and happy, and the whole crowd was happy, he made em all laugh, and look at his childhood. He had it that bad, and look at how happy and smiling he is! Now, why are all the punk boys whining? Parents don't like you? Got too much homework? People treating you bad? Please.
    Jord1235
    Dyne: Why rag on just GreenDay they are certainly not the only modern band to call themselfs punk. This guy sounds like a whiny dirtbag. I am not a punk fan but from what punk music I've heard, the Sex Pistols defenitly music wise are pretty damn low on the chain. POSTED: 02/11/2006 - 06:34 pm / quote | damn rite, i like the sex pistols but they dont hav the power 2 say that kinda shit nemor
    IlIk2plygUItAr
    I don't remember recently hearing Greenday claim they were punk I'm pretty sure that was their fans... I think John needs to chill. Just because he is a has-been doesn't mean he needs to bash a band just to get a little fame back.
    IlIk2plygUItAr
    Stevethegreat: [b ]IlIk2plygUItAr[ /b] wrote: He had it that bad, and look at how happy and smiling he is! I'd be pretty happy too if I were: A.Famous B.Rich C.A full-time musician D.All of the above It kind of makes you look stupd when you refer to Simple Plan and Green Day as 'punk' kids.
    WTF I didn't post that. Smoothe move.
    scarryman199
    oh boo hoo little retired "punk" rocker is jelous that green day has lasted longer than them well suck it up and stop crying a true punk rocker wouldnt care about what other people are doing and who is who and that kind of stuff he would kick them in the shin and poop on there face and be done with it i think he needs to suck it up and just hang out and have fun with his money and let people do what they want god stop being such a pussy
    egadowsk
    The Pistols didnt "invent" punk but they definately defined the London punk scene and punk rock style more than any other group. They were true working-class (unlike Joe Strummer of the Clash), limited at their technical ability (although it is a myth that the original lineup couldnt play at all) and their early performances in '76 played a HUGE influence on punk bands like The Clash, The Buzzcocks, The Damned. I have old Clash interviews where they openly state their admiration for the Pistols and how their performances inspired them to realize they didnt need to be great musicians to make some great music.
    Mascot-Rebel
    double post sorry, it said.... He says, according to Contactmusic: "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk. They're not, they're plonk and they're bandwagoning on something they didn't come up with themselves. I think they are phony." the sex pistols are great, but they didnt exactly come up with punk themselves either
    Mascot-Rebel
    he cant slam on green day like that. i respect both bands , but he has no right to do that. music is music and if you like it good for you if you dont, deal with it and dont go raging on it.
    Mascot-Rebel
    he cant slam on green day like that. i respect both bands , but he has no right to do that. music is music and if you like it good for you if you dont, deal with it and dont go raging on it.
    egadowsk
    mattlock wrote: McLaren told them what to write their songs about. And they did. The Ramones and the Clash own them any day.
    Jones and Matlock wrote most of the music before McLaren even took them under his wing. Rotten wrote the lyrics. I've seen the Nevermind the Bollocks documentary behind the album, although it says McLaren did exert control over the Pistols, all song writing is credited to the members and it has never been stated that he wrote their music or "told them" what to write. If you read The Clash bio Passion is Fashion, it even says that The Pistols are commonly labeled "manufactured" but in actuality, The Clash, under the direction of manager Bernie Rhodes (an affiliate and rival of McLaren's) were far more "manufactured". Personally I dont consider either band to be manufactured because as I said- they wrote their own material. As far as The Ramones go- Ill take Steve Jone's guitar sound anyday over Johnny's and Rotten's lyrics and vocals anyday over Joey's. At least the Pistols said it all w/ 1 record, caused some genuine chaos and called it quits- the Ramones made the same album over and over until it became boring.
    washingmachine
    Everyone who hates Green Day should form bands and try and throw them off the top of the charts!!! Then the rest of us can sit here at our PCs on UG and call you sellouts!!!
    Liberation
    I have a new found respect for John Lydon. Its about time someone in the music industry talked out about these pansies like Green Day.
    drugless_stoner
    smileyface: This pisses me off so much. I'm not that big of a Greenday fan but they have a lot more musical talent and artistic credibility than the Sex Pistols ever came close to garnering. I don't care if i get schlighphoned for that either because its the truth. Johnny Rotten is just as big of a phony as he claims Greenday is. And what is this "if they were true punk they wouldn't dress as they do" shit? Say what you will but to me punk rock is the freedom to be yourself and speak up for what you believe in. As soon as punk becomes a systematic machine of guidelines and rules and this bullshit, it becomes one of the most lame things you can ever imagine. The fact Johnny Rotten seems to think he is punk makes him seem like a seriously lame in my opinion. Bloody hell, the sex pistols released one ****ing album that did anything. Lyrically they are fairly useless, musically they are just barely competent, and all of you who are going to say "yeah you tell him Johnny!" because you think the supposed "God" of punk rock has spoken, are just as lame, no more lame, because your just following some dumbass' lame opinions of where punk rock shouldn't ever be. Anyways, sorry about the rant, as it was kind of lame, and I realize using the word "lame" over and over again is lame, but i dont care.
    your so lame, lol no really, you got the right idea, i agree with every word you say, and im sure a lot of other people do too,but still be prepeared for a bashing from theothers, im guessing its going to go like this "f**k ou, you dont know what punk is, johny was their years ag, he did what he wanted, and he was anti establishment and nihilistic, thats what punk is about, thats why i got 698 tattoes, 300 piercings and a back poket full of crack", lol
    drugless_stoner
    sprkidjar: I thought the guitarist from the Sex Pistols supported Green Day.
    i so hope thats true, because then all the "punks" will be trying to comprehend two things at once, and decidijng which guy is right, and then their heads will explode and we wil be forever rid of them, yay
    mini-slash
    Green Day have never said that they were punk, they even go as far as refuting anybody who says they are. Plus, with all the bull-s**t going on in the world today, it's f**cking nice to see someone standing up. Punk is dead to anyone who didn't get it to begin with. If Mr. Sex Pistol thinks punk has something to do with how you look, then he just used the term "punk" to give what little meaning he could find to his f**cking "lifestyle"! Maybe it's just me, but I think it's that time of the month for him.
    AcrosstheTracks
    Also to take into consideration...Green Day were one of the first bands to create a more "accessable" brand of punk rock, along with such contemporaries as NOFX and The Offspring. Green Day's influences in the mid to late 80's were mostly east bay punk bands such as T.S.O.L. While their music is far from being punk in a sense of what many people would call classic punk or true punk, they have managed to create a successful brand of pop infused punk rock. Considering the Sex Pistols were a major label band as many people have stated, I find it odd that randomly slam Green Day now for being successful under the punk banner, considering Dookie sold well over a million copies over 10 years ago. Green Day's sound has evolved from less punk to more rock over the years, and though it has never been true punk, it has always had punk influence. Maybe it's because Green Day's career has lasted well over the life of the Sex Pistol's, many people seem to forget how old Green Day really is. I feel that now that Green Day is finally having the success that they have deserved from being in the mainstream for so many years without intentionally riding a trend. Which brings me to another point. Many people here seem to think that Green Day hoped on the Bush hating bandwagon to increase their fan base. Now, I don't like Bush one bit, but that's not because Billie Joe told me to. As someone said, if people follow his opinion blindly, how is it fault? Kind of like those who follow Bush's opinion blindly...just on the opposite end of the spectrum. Of course he has a right to have an opinion of government, that's his right as an American. And if you have any intelligence at all, you'd know that Green Day are NOT anti-American, they seem to be more anti-ignornance. But back on topic, Lydon just sounds jealous to me. I mean, who cares what Green Day is doing when you are a retired successful "rock star"? Why does he have to take it upon himself to asign genres? But whatever, humans will be humans...
    Liberation
    22acacia wrote: for all u idiots saying how the pistols suck too, real punk music isnt complex or technical. similar todays emo shit except the punk bands of old still have their testicles intact. it was performed live with passion anger and emotion because it how they actually felt. they wrerent whining about how their daddy make 7 figures a year and how they dont have to pay for anything but they are still miserable. that is what Johnny sees in today so called pop punk bullshit and that is why hes pissed off. wouldnt u be too if you saw something that u had put so much passion and effort into evolve into the shitty stuff you hear today?
    I take it from your name that you're an Iron Maiden fan? Very good taste in music then, if I must say so myself. I agree with everything you said, there was so much emotion and raw energy put into music before 1990, nowadays it seems that all the new bands are in it to make money and whine about their perfect lives that supposedly "Sucks".
    SlashNX
    [b]bush_slayer_07[ /b] wrote: you know what **** you john lyndon your an ass pirate for all the fans you have in america you british peices of shit couldnt have more than shit to say about us talking about like you know punk you ****ing british people talked down the ramones for years until they were hall of famers talk about band wagoning EAT MY ASS HOLE JOHNNY greenday went through there trials and tribullations in the begining so let them have there fame and another thing SEX PISTOLS SUCKED ASS, GO RAMONES GO CLASH AND GO GREEN DAY
    Dude do you know Fuck all about the Ramones??? The Ramones were loved in Britain, the Ramones were loved in Britain way before America loved them.... Jst read this months Q, and actually learn about a bands history before making any more claims! ooo and try and string a sentences without the word "shit" in it! Dumbass!
    Dyne
    Why rag on just GreenDay they are certainly not the only modern band to call themselfs punk. This guy sounds like a whiny dirtbag. I am not a punk fan but from what punk music I've heard, the Sex Pistols defenitly music wise are pretty damn low on the chain.
    SlashNX
    I just think people don't actually know what they want. GreenDay can't win. When they were "punk" everyones biggest criticism on here was that Billie-Joe cud only play power chords and their songs were realy basics... well thats what ****in punk is! Now theyre playin more complicated stuff, they writing bigger songs, and now your complaining their not punk anymore??? GreenDay just can't win with some people!!
    relientkrock
    you know what **** you john lyndon your an ass pirate for all the fans you have in america you british peices of shit couldnt have more than shit to say about us talking about like you know punk you ****ing british people talked down the ramones for years until they were hall of famers talk about band wagoning EAT MY ASS HOLE JOHNNY greenday went through there trials and tribullations in the begining so let them have there fame and another thing SEX PISTOLS SUCKED ASS, GO RAMONES GO CLASH AND GO GREEN DAY
    Amen
    bush_slayer_07
    you know what **** you john lyndon your an ass pirate for all the fans you have in america you british peices of shit couldnt have more than shit to say about us talking about like you know punk you ****ing british people talked down the ramones for years until they were hall of famers talk about band wagoning EAT MY ASS HOLE JOHNNY greenday went through there trials and tribullations in the begining so let them have there fame and another thing SEX PISTOLS SUCKED ASS, GO RAMONES GO CLASH AND GO GREEN DAY
    washingmachine
    WARNING:CONTROVERSIAL! Green Day are veteran rocks stars now and its fair to say that whether u like or not think they are Pop or punk, they have been equally as important and influencial as the sex pistols! We wouldnt have bands like MCR without them (whether or not you think thats a good thing or not.....I do hehe)
    hit_me_im_irish
    Lyndon, billie joe, and any other "punk" rocker should slow down and take a good fukin look at themselves. the way i see if you have to spend more then ten fukin minutes puttin gel in your hair and shit nd dyin and all that crap your not punk. nowadays all punk is there for is the shock value, ya know. a real punk wouldnt waste half an hour getting makeup on before going on stage hed come out in his street clothes and start up a riot. lyndon should go back to sucking his managers cock to get his name out there instead of bashing green day
    ToddFoxx
    pfft...i love green days music...thier older music.. im getting sick of american idiot.. i cant listen to it..i still likke jesus of suburbia v_v...the sex pistols music still rocks.. johnny has his points, green day arent the rebels the sex pistols WERE they will never live up to them.. and motley crue should have never sung Anarcjy In The UK...thats a sex pistols osng true and true..F*** the governmet! yeah!
    stiff-upper-lip
    o and to add one more point, he is totally right, Greenday aint punk. they dont even look like punk, i mean if you dont like Sex Pistols, fine but take the Clash. Greenday aint really fitting with the police or drinking too much are they?
    Adarsh
    has anyone read all the comments yet? Anyway, let Johnny say whatever he wants about Green Day, i just wonder how Billie Joe's gonna react! Let Johnny Rotten whine.....
    stiff-upper-lip
    ha haaaaa, that gave me a good laugh and nice boost of energy. its always nice to see older bands just ripping the shit out of new bands. means theres still some good music in the world
    daytripper75
    did i miss when Green Day was considered a punk band? Rotten is just a douchebag who is more than likely just jealous of their success compared to his.
    gregorisgod
    Punk. Ha. It's probably been addressed already, but I noticed a few people claiming that the Sex Pistols were "Manufactured". Apart from Lydon, the original band had been playing together and dressing like that since they were 15 years old. They took their look from the popular "Teddy Boy" image of the time, taking that and destroying it. The only part their manager played was the name, and finding Johnny for vocals, who the band knew and recruited becasue he amused them. As for Sex Pistols, they might not have been the first punk band, but they were the first in britain. They sparked the movement. The New York Dolls, Ramones etc may have preceeded punk in the 60s, but they weren't punk in the best-known sense, they were far more poppy than Sex Pistols, more akin to things like the Buzzcocks. Buzzcocks rule, Sex Pistols rule, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of The Ramones. They sound awefully poppy and all their songs are so samey. I'll take my Brit-punk over american any day - crank the volume.
    mustiebalzak
    seekanddestroy[ /b] wrote: Let me just clear this up for all of us Green day and the sex pistols both suck ass. It's that simple
    good call!
    [b]adam smyth wrote: I reckon lydon is just jealous that green day have achieved more with their better music. If green day acheieved that much then they must be doin sumet right. What did the sex pistols achieve?
    pretty much starting the whole thing.
    dudewowamcool
    doesnt matter if the guy hates him or not its his opinion, personally i dont care if one person likes either band or not we all have opinions, the only reason i dont like GreenDay is because people start to talk shit about government from them and the dude dropped out of high school, retard* lol
    nirvana131
    johny rottens right green day aren't punk there aren't any bands you can call punk anymore modern crap like green day don't have the attitude in there music to be called punk