Sign This Anti-Piracy Petition Now

Major companies are funding piracy by advertising on torrent websites. Meanwhile, the 'six-strikes' scheme launches this week, but what kind of punishments will pirates receive if they get to six-strikes?

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On the day that the controversial six-strikes anti-piracy scheme launches in the US, a petition has been launched by musicians to ask major companies to stop advertising on piracy networks.

Companies including Adobe, BMW, Google and TuneCore are targeted in the letter which calls them out for posting advertisements on peer-to-peer websites, even if it is unintentional, because it can earn the piracy site owners a lot of money.

"Advertising on these sites encourages others to exploit our work for economic gain without a return to us. It deprives us of the opportunity to build communities with fans when they visit illegal sites to obtain our work, rather than our sites. It also gives consumers a false sense of security by lending an air of legitimacy to these sites. And, it rewards activities that are illegal," reads the open letter.

You can add your name to the petition here.

Meanwhile, the six-stikes anti-piracy scheme launched in the US yesterday.

Internet users will receive a series of warnings if they conduct illegal file sharing, and after six strikes, will receive a punishment. But what exactly does that mean?

Torrent Freak claims to know some of the punishment policies:

"AT&T will block users' access to some of the most frequently visited websites on the Internet, until they complete a copyright course. Verizon will slow down the connection speeds of repeated pirates, and Time Warner Cable will temporarily interrupt people's ability to browse the Internet.

"The two remaining providers, Cablevison and Comcast, are expected to take similar measures. None of the ISPs will permanently disconnect repeat infringers as part of the plan."

How do you feel about major companies funding music piracy by advertising on P2P websites? Do you think the six-strikes policy will have a positive impact? Let us know what you think in the comments.

233 comments sorted by best / new / date

    thes50
    I love it how they actually believe that this will be the final blow that ends piracy.
    GonzoBeatz
    I love how I live in the UK and don't have to deal with stupid policies! ISP's should not become the enforcers, considering they're exploiting an invention given to them for free
    Second Rate
    All these stupid online petitions. It seems like there's a new one every week and nothing comes from any of them.
    Jacques Nel
    Dude when I was a kid, in South Africa most albums sold for R200. Which is about $23. Back then I didn't earn money and R200 was a lot. So how else are kids supposed to get music their parents won't pay for?
    -Retro-
    I'm digging the picture of Jack Sparrow flaring around his arms like a maniac.
    Wiesel_1
    Captain... Captain Jack Sparrow
    fromzero
    Michael Bolton: "This is the tale of Captain Jack Sparrow. Pirate so brave, on the seven seas. A mystical quest to the isle of Tortuga Raven locks sway. On the ocean's breeze."
    Stephenm0ynihan
    Nah, stupid picture, youre stupid
    -Retro-
    Ahh...your insults just keep getting more intricate and amusing by the day.
    Asmochrist616
    NO.
    j-mac71
    yes, good for musicians to stand up for themselves. with advancement of technology today its easy for small time musicians to make recordings on par in fidelity with any mega-studio. The argument against "the establishment" is outdated by a decade, piracy hurts art.
    granturismoking
    As a working musician who spends most of his time writing music, recording, and playing shows, I still have no problem with piracy of music and other multimedia. I think this "six-strikes" law is a huge loss for the music industry, because with piracy and internet sharing going on right now, more underground/ local musicians are getting heard around the world. It gains them fans and broadens their scope from just the town that they are in to a large audience spread over a larger area. It can help us have a more even "fame pyramid" where even small time artists can be making a decent amount of money because they are getting heard more in the world, and thus can get more shows in a wider area, and maybe get a cult following without even signing a record label. I have given away my CD's and people have came back and payed for them after they listened just as a tip for my hard work, even if they didn't like it. And if someone pirates something I've written, likes it, and tells their friends and someone happens to go to a show of mine, that's like that payback for my hard work.
    Kueller917
    I'm still not buying the whole six-strikes thing being a blow to the music industry. Sure, it may be a victory for the corporate side to continue greed, but it just as easily could be the ISP companies getting the RIAA off their backs. They already have the policy of sending letters, but tons of people ignore them and keep going and ISPs do nothing cause they value their own income more than someone else's (enemy of my enemy is my friend and all)
    iommi600
    nope.avi EDIT: just to be perfectly clear, I do not support piracy, but this isn't gonna solve anything. In fact, I think piracy is here to stay, for good or bad.
    triviumfan2080
    hahahaha people who think this will end piracy obviously dont live internationally. Everything is pirated. Its just the truth
    crazysam23_Atax
    Just because it won't doesn't mean the petition isn't is a good step.
    Dimarzio45
    It'll be a good step to me once it's proven that the money goes to the artists who made it. Most of you guys seem to believe all of this WITHOUT question. To me, that's just as scary as corporations pocketing this money that belongs to the artists.
    mradubz33
    This comes after yesterday's article that listed the top 10 money earners which totalled over $200 million. I don't buy that piracy is the end of the music industry. These artists seems to be doing alright anyway.
    dvanhandel96
    Artisits only make about 10% of their earnings off of their music sales, so its not like they are all losing a crapload of money.
    FiddleJohnny
    What about Lars Ulrich? He always wanted that golden dolphin statue by his pool, now he'll have to tour a few more months to afford it cause you chose to download his music.
    goto11
    Next week is Master P's son's birthday, all he's ever wanted is an island in French Polynesia, I see an island without an owner. If things keep going the way they are, the child will never get his tropical paradise. Man must learn to think of these horrible outcomes before we act selfishly, or else, I fear, recording artists will be forever doomed to lives of only semi-luxury.
    brnbasler
    I really want Britney Spears to have the private jet with a built in dvd player with the remote.
    Meikle Treikle
    Isn't that sort of the point though? They'd be earning more from music sales if people didn't pirate as much.
    IrishConnor1994
    It's true, record sales are nothing compared to what they were even in the 90's. Just look at the first week sales of a major album then, like The Black Album sold over 600,000 copies in it's first week, just in America, never mind worldwide sales. Now, 40,000 copies in the first week is considered really good.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Piracy hurts small-time musicians the most, you know the ones who don't make millions off of tickets, merch sales, and other stuff that isn't selling songs?
    James Scott
    ^This. I work with unsigned bands and they're getting destroyed by piracy. They can't afford to tour, record or promote themselves because people won't pay for the fruits of their labours and just steal it. Only huge corporations have the muscle to sue pirates. The next time anyone complaints that modern music is "mass-produced corporate bullshit" they ought to consider whether they're part of the problem.
    Dimarzio45
    That's why they are UNSIGNED bands. Bands back in the 70's who were playing small venues had it the same way. Plus, if our economies weren't so far up shit "crick" things would be a lot different. Potential "piracy money" won't change a damn thing. Do you actually believe that money will even make it to these artists?
    jacobnutt1
    Check out bands like Three Years Hollow. They started a Kickstarter campaign to help them fund their latest tour, and it worked. $10,000 that their loyal fans gave them because they wanted to see the band be successful. Bands these days need to realize that getting signed isn't the way to go anymore. They might have the resources that you don't, but they keep all the money.
    James Scott
    That's completely true - you don't need a label any more and kickstarter is a great way to avoid piracy - getting pre-sales is awesome because you can't pirate an album that doesn't exist yet. But be aware that if you go the independent route, your music will still get pirated, and you won't have a record company to fight your corner in the courts or inject more cash when you need it most. They're not all evil you know.
    James Scott
    Yes, because it still does, to some extent. I've seen their balance sheets and, with respect, you haven't. And the reason they're unsigned is that record companies can't take as many risks with even really good bands, because piracy has eroded profit margins for all but the biggest acts. I've had major labels say that to my artists' faces. That's why you see so few exciting young acts and why the old rock dinosaurs put out album after album of dross instead.
    Dimarzio45
    James- I'm talking about new crackdowns, not any existing numbers or stats. I would support this stuff if I knew the money would make it to the artists. That's all I'm saying.
    Jacques Nel
    Rich get richer. Really I'm all about supporting GOOD small bands because IMO they make the best music. Still stripped down and hardcore. Once commercialism takes hold it's over. Just take a look at Bullet for my Valentine. If it wasn't for piracy I would have paid to hear that Temper Temper was utter shit and they wouldn't have known that they seriously Fucked up. Screw these rich *****s.
    TheExterminator
    On the other hand, there are plenty of small-time bands who advocate piracy and use it to spread their music around, and claim the only way they make money is on tour. Some even go to say if you want to pay the band for their album, is to pirate it and then send them 10 or 15 bucks. So who is right? Is piracy hurting small-time bands, or are small-time bands using piracy to expand their fanbase?
    ironman316
    I just don't understand why people would want to make a career out of something they know doesn't make a lot of money. Believe me, I'm all about making a career out of something you love. But I also know that I would never have the life I want making a musician's wages. If people are that upset over piracy, make music because you love to, not because you're looking for a paycheck.
    link no1
    I would rather love my shitty low wage job and look forward to working than hate my average wage job that makes me want to shoot myself.
    Sammy Mantis
    Yes, it sounds good when you say you would be happy with a shitty paying job you love and that you're "following your dreams". However, when you get older and decide you want things like a car, a home, possibly a family, a stable and reliable source of income, etc., there comes a time when you have to get real and realize that a job involving a lawnmower or guitar simply isn't gong to cut the mustard.
    npo123
    Sammy, I think you're slightly missing the point of things. To me, I see that our society has its priorities all wrong. Why are certain jobs valued so much higher than others when this evaluation is so subjective? Why are professional athletes paid so highly, yet we fail to recognize the work and true value of teachers? Yes athletes have to have a particular skill set, but teachers do as well. It takes a truly talented teacher to motivate and help a student see their true potential in life...to me, this is invaluable. I work within a community where the average combined household income is less than $8,000/year. The people within the community are hard working, dedicated, loyal, and will work any job they can be a part of. Unfortunately, they also struggle to break the cycle of poverty within their neighborhood. In my opinion, this is largely because of the lack of awareness/ignorance on part of many people within our society; in particular, the people who say 'get a real job' or 'try harder'. Though I could be wrong, it appears that you might be on this side of things. My point? Not everyone has the opportunity and luxury to just 'grow up and get a real job'. By your logic, who wouldn't rather have a high paying job that provides full benefits for their family? The fact is that no one wants a low paying job. Our society is built in a way where it would crumble without migrant workers, low paying wages, and taking advantage of truly hard working individuals...and this is very unfortunate. The other side to things is that happiness is the key to a successful life. I gave up a high paying and prominent job because it wasn't what made me happy. I wanted a career where I was happy going to work every day. Yes, I willingly took a very large pay-cut, and I'm struggling financially when I wasn't before...but this is what makes me happy. I get to have a direct impact on the community that I work within...it's an amazing and rewarding job. My success is the success of the people around me. Obviously it's impossible to just pay everyone equally and try to reinstate appropriate values on certain jobs and careers...but it doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to raise awareness and support others when you can. Piracy is present and always will be. However, that doesn't mean that we can't streamline how corporations sell and distribute digital music/albums (ex. Apple), so that more profits are passed along to the artist. If you have the ability to promote change, then you have the responsibility to do so.
    James Scott
    Recording music costs thousands of dollars. Even if people weren't entitled to make a living out of music, which they are, it's getting to the stage where piracy is preventing music getting created in the first place, regardless of whether it's done for love or money.
    ironman316
    I record myself for free. I think a lot of bands jump into it too soon, and don't have a big enough following, yet still expect to make bank. Check out the band Periphery. Their lead guy Misha basically gave all his music away in the beginning, had hundreds of tracks, gained a massive following online, got signed, and now they're touring with Deftones. They deserve everything they have, and they did it all while working normal jobs to support themselves, which now they don't have to.
    James Scott
    So Perhipery *do* want to make a career out of it then? Because you just said bands weren't entitled to do that any more. Recording costs have come down, but a commercial quality album still costs thousands in recording, mixing, mastering, replication, art, distribution and promotion.
    ironman316
    I never said they're not entitled, I said they need to be smart about it. Most bands aren't.
    rock-n-roll101
    What about the artists who don't make millions from touring? A know quite a few "average-sized" touring acts who are lucky if they make enough to pay for their overhead let alone enough for rent. They could get another job, but what would happen to music if every musician had a side job? You are right that the top musicians do not "need" every penny, but let's be logical. Where would they be if no one had bought their music twenty-fifty years ago?
    damillion
    It all depends on the size of the band. Most people who are in the music business arn't Bono. The really big acts (maybe 1-2% of them) are doing ok, but the bands that are just starting out get ZERO financial support in a business that is very time consuming and which costs lots of money.
    Pierre-Claude
    well mradubz33 apparently that is not the only thing your not buying
    mradubz33
    Tres Bien. You're right, I don't buy anything from the artists on this list (I hope the narcs aren't listening). I would rather spend my money on albums and shows of bands that actually need my support to put out more music instead of bands that want golden dolphin statues by their heated, indoor pools. I think this all stems from an industry that is unwilling to change. Maybe the reality in this 'internet age' is that all bands aren't going to make as much money as bands in the past. The positive flip side to that is with the internet, their potential exposure is almost unlimited. They can record music for way less money, make limitless copies of that music (with no degradation in quality) for cheap, and distribute it for cheap. The future is now man.
    AlecBeretz
    if I was a big artist I'd be stoked to hear that everyones torrenting my shit. idgaf, someone just needs to listen to the music.
    Face R1pper
    Do it then. Whatever career you end up in. Work for free and be stoked as hell that everyone is using your product without sacrificing their money for it.
    Kueller917
    But if a **** load of people are downloading it it does mean some popularity increase. At the moment not every person on the planet pirates, so there's still some expectation of getting sales. Consider The Flashbulb. He put one of his albums on what.cd and other trackers for people to get for free. He admitted in a follow up that he did not get a very good download:buy ratio, but he did notice that his little stunt got him on blogs and websites around the net, which in turn got him a lot of publicity which helped increase his fanbase for future releases. I do not support piracy, but sharing does have both costs and benefits and always has.
    Face R1pper
    Then it is the musician's decision whether their music should be free or not. The consumer has no right to decide whether they should steal the product or purchase it.
    KinkyC
    Will you still be stoked as hell when you don't have money to feed yourself or your kids and have to go work at McDonalds
    Black Hazard
    This same tired ass argument every time. If they have it it that ****ing bad they can get a real job like the rest of us.
    Braykah
    Aaaand there goes UG's reputation as an objective news site. Oh wait, it already did a long time ago.
    eddiehimself
    Why do you want to give away your freedoms so that some rich record executives can make more money? Do you not think they will start coming after sites like UG as well? After all, you're hosting tabs, which takes money away from people who manufacture sheet music. I assume you paid disney royalties to display the picture of Jack Sparrow then?
    Yax
    Of ****ing course UG has paid - It's even easier to sue for unlawful use of images than anything else copyright related. UG most likely have a business deal with an image/photo bureau. You pay a specific amount of money every year, to be granted permission to use images the bureau somehow has the rights to (and they in turn pay the photographer/rightsholder, or in this case, Disney corporation).
    crazysam23_Atax
    LOL! Wow, like it's really about record companies... Dat ignorance!
    DanC117
    The record companies generally only pay the musicians about 10-15% of the revenue that the band generates through albums, touring, and merch combined. So yes, it is about the record companies, who also petitioned to start this anti-piracy war
    crazysam23_Atax
    No, actually, if you read the history it all, it was the artists themselves who petitioned to start the anti-piracy war back in the late '90s.
    DanC117
    A few major artists yes, all the while being backed by those record labels... Shocking...
    TheExterminator
    Many of which were the same bands who benefited from and survived because of trading tapes, which was piracy of the 80s, and was also blamed for "killing music"
    j-mac71
    you dont need a record deal to make good recordings today. piracy hurts musicians more than anyone else. you expect noone to make a living through music? its pretty rough for alot of performing artists.
    1916
    Fuck the suits in record companies. Go see your favorite bands on tour. support them that way.
    James Scott
    You are aware that record companies take a similar proportion of money from tours, right? And that most tours lose money and are subsidised by the record companies in the hopes of selling more albums? Evidently not.
    kotw2003
    if record companies are taking so much money off of hard working musicians why would you want to support them?
    AbstinentUser
    The big companies dont seem to understand that not all P2P sharing is of copyrighted material. If they want to stop their content being shared then they should target the users who are actually breaking the law, not the websites which host the trackers.
    crazysam23_Atax
    The big companies will target pirating, not P2P sharing. That said, the big internet companies shouldn't be in the business of punishing pirates. The petition is a good step though.
    Kueller917
    Someone should count how many times in this article you've said "The petition is a good step"
    DanC117
    Actually the big companies and the governments of the UN are targeting p2p sharing in general, regardless of piracy, they don't care if it's copyright at this point.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Actually, they're not, but good try. As it says above, "Internet users will receive a series of warnings if they conduct illegal file sharing." That means that illegal file sharing is the only thing being targeted. And, if you read the law itself, that's how it works. Problem is, big internet and the government shouldn't be interfering here. What should happen is more petitions like the one that various musicians started above.
    DanC117
    You are only going by what this article says. They already shut down several legitimate p2p websites due to "suspicion of internet piracy." Read up on how those new laws work, "good try"
    Dimarzio45
    What do they define "illegal file sharing"? That's a pretty broad term there, crazysam.
    Jacques Nel
    I'm curious, will every sharing site now have to go through all their files and classify them as 'illegal copyrighted files' or 'uncopyrighted files'?
    dvanhandel96
    I signed only because i am a musician that knows the frustration of having music that i wrote stolen.
    jay3213
    "It's not about the money brahhhh, it's about the music Maaannnnn" - Every musician
    crazysam23_Atax
    "And when someone doesn't pay for your music that you're charging $0.99 per song for, that's bad" - Every musician ever
    iCarebear
    lol. tell me then, what songs have you written that people have "stolen"?
    UniformRecon
    There's no stopping it unless the concept of data files and downloading is completely erased.
    goto11
    Come there's more...Brittney Spears' private jet, you notice anything? Brittney used to have a Gulf Stream 4, now she's had to sell it and get a Gulf Stream 3 because people chose to download her music for free. The Gulf Stream 3 doesn't even have a remote control for it's DVD surround sound system!
    drainyou_sweden
    Actually the smaller artists earn their money from playing live and merch. Piracy helps them get their music known to a wider audience. Only music companies and to some degree more known artists who might lose something.
    Yax
    You do realize, that the artist pays for the recording of the album, by royalty deduction? Therefore your argument falls flat. And if the album doesn't break even, they end up personally owing the record company money. That's fact, unless they somehow managed to negotiate the "non-recoupable advance", rather than recoupable, into the contract - And that's not something the record companies agree to easily.
    TheExterminator
    And that's why DIY is encouraged. To hell with owing money to a record company just because your album didn't reach a certain quota.
    crazysam23_Atax
    I've heard this argument for years, and it's the worst damn argument ever.
    James Scott
    This man is correct. Almost all tours lose money, they are used to promote the album, which just gets pirated anyway. That leaves a *lot* of t-shirts to sell...
    Braykah
    By the way, exactly what musicians launched this campaign, UG? I don't support piracy and I think that musicians should be respected and paid for their work, which is why I always buy my records legally, but the main reason for this kind of anti-piracy campaigns is commercial. They benefit the global record companies that lose profits due to piracy, which is ****ing retarded.
    thingstodo
    Look at a band like Protest the Hero. They fundraised over $200 THOUSAND dollars that were 100% donations from fans. They estimated the record would cost around $100K to make, so essentially they received twice their budget, without a single hand of help from the "music business". The only thing the band owes the people who donated are the various things they donated for (i.e. vinyl copies of the album, etc). This method absolutely shits all over the archaiv way the music industry has functioned, and it shits all over these useless anti-piracy campaigns. These people have collectively forked over $200K+, that went DIRECTLY into the bands' pockets, before even hearing a single note of new material. As well, not a single suit & tie will see a penny of this money, nor will they see any $$ from the touring that will occur after the record is released. It's ****ing glorious.
    James Scott
    A thousand times this. Crowdfunding and pre-sales are the future. You get 100% (or nearly that) of the money, and more importantly, if you don't sell enough albums, it doesn't get made. You can't pirate an album that doesn't exist yet, and the only way to be sure that you'll ever get to hear it is to pay for it. Problem solved. I'll be doing an article on crowdfunding in a few weeks.
    Dimarzio45
    Crowdfunding is a great idea that works. But, what happens when a majority of starting bands start doing this? All of a sudden people aren't as charitable, right?
    Dimarzio45
    It was an honest question, guys. Let me rephrase: What do you think would happen if lots of bands did this? Would crowdfunding be as successful?
    Yax
    No, because people are cheapskates that feel entitled to all the music in the world without lifting a finger in return, other than to click the left mouse button. I have always purchased music, but I have in the past.. acquired it other ways. I have though, in the past three or so years, bought at least 15 concert DVD's and well over 40 albums, to my already, relatively these days, large collection.
    Face R1pper
    Unfortunately UG's primary user base is teenage kids who believe that they are entitled to services for free and have no understanding of the abhorrent economic and political premises they are promoting. People who believe that piracy is the reason for greater recognition of obscure musicians are being ignorant. It is not hard to effectively market on the internet at little to no cost.
    James Scott
    Agreed. The ignorance and idiocy of some of the comments here is stunning. Though it's good to see the pro-piracy posts getting downvoted to oblivion, it shows that it's just a loudmouthed minority of idiots and most people have some sense.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Exactly. It's just downright illogical to say that "piracy allows obscure musicians to be recognized". No, no, it doesn't. Good marketing tactics helps obscure musicians get recognized.
    Blazingguns00
    Agreed... but some people recognise that our own budgets are limited. A good question, is should we just not have the music we like, or should we torrent what we cant afford, i think its more a moral and financial issue for most people, I personallu believe that if you support touring artists/buy merch/the cds you can afford, you can torrent stuff you couldnt afford anyway, its effectively the same thing as youtube, but without using up your phone's data plan...
    Kueller917
    Well, I kind of agree. I'd say the internet in general is what's made underground music more connected, since even local bands can be found internationally from those who look hard enough, so there's more of a connection. Some of that though, includes file sharing much like burning CDs or bootleg tapes were, but just on a larger scale. Of course there is a hurting side to this but I'm not ready to say it's entirely bad. Also there's stuff like bandcamp and other streaming sites to hear music for free which helps, even though similar things were thought to be the end of music a few decades ago.
    Dimarzio45
    This is just a small program that will queue the beginning to internet censorship and improved tracking. That's all it is, no matter what your stance is on the subject. It's just the first move to controlling the internet starting with the one obvious subject that has a majority of people backing them. Internet is the one thing governments don't have control over. If they shut down websites, it would cause too much of a stir. So they'll pussy-foot around it like they do with everything. Before you know it, they have control over the entire internet. Meanwhile, we'll be too busy bitching about the first thing that happened to even realize it's too late.
    Dimarzio45
    Notice that when a Youtube video causes riots, that their government could just block the country from going on youtube. But in this case, they won't block websites, they'll leave them fully operational and just suck the money out of your wallet for some profit. What makes you people think THAT money is actually going to musicians and hollywood? That makes government and ISP companies just as wrong, if not worse, than downloaders/uploaders. So they can go suck a dick until they can prove that the creators of said media are actually seeing that money. Meanwhile, taxes go sky high (here in the US), Military budget is ridiculous and for some reason exempt from the talks of economic restoration, and a Federal Reserve who is privately owned printing public money that states that you and I have no right know what is going on with their inner workings. I have no problem purchasing this stuff. It's the question of honesty that we should ALL be concerned about here.
    Dimarzio45
    In short, if this truly is enforced, will we end up with something worse than how it is NOW? Just something to think about...
    i_am_metalhead
    I've said it once, I'll say it again: Piracy hurts the label, not the artists. The only artists bitching about piracy are the ones that have been around for decades and have already made their mark in the music industry. The vast majority of up-and-coming artists actually promote piracy because it gets their music to a larger fan base (and faster) than any record label is able to do. If you defend anti-piracy then you're only supporting the money hungry CEOs and douche bag has-been artists.
    Face R1pper
    Of course it hurts the artists. This is really basic economics. When it is no longer profitable to sign and support musicians, records will no longer exist. This hasn't happened yet because there is still a large enough number of people that aren't acting like immature children and continue to buy records. Lets pretend that you're right and this really doesn't hurt the artists. It still hurts somebody. Why should it be acceptable that you are hurting the record label if you are not hurting the artist? Don't try to justify your irresponsible behavior by saying it doesn't hurt the artist, because there are plenty of others involved in this.
    calebrobinson1
    How about those artists that are okay with piracy because it gets their music to more people? The artists that understand not everyone can buy a CD. The artists that make music because they love music, not for the money. This snubs their efforts and the ability for many smaller musicians' music to get out on a larger scale. Hell, I've heard from some artists that they upload their own CD so they can get it to more people. All this will do is make people circumvent the torrenting process by using direct download sites such as mediafire and YouTube downloaders. Another thing, if I didn't plan on buying the album in the first place but happen to find a download for it, I'm going to download it. I didn't hurt anyone simply because I never planned on purchasing it. I'll go to shows, I'll buy merch, I'll buy the occasional CD. I'll support the band when I can because I love their music, but anti-piracy laws are such bullshit. It's the same ****ing thing as borrowing your friend's CD and ripping it, but there's nothing in place to stop that.
    crazysam23_Atax
    "How about those artists that are okay with piracy because it gets their music to more people?" Find me an example of those artists. Most artists in today's world recognize that good internet marketing strategies (and good marketing strategies in general) will more likely get them recognized than piracy will. Also, if an artist wants to offer their music for free, then bandcamp is an easy place to do that.
    James Scott
    Yeah, musicians who have no problem with their music being shared give it away themselves - that does not mean they approve of other artists getting ripped off.
    AcousticMetal99
    Honestly not being sarcastic here, simply interested as to what you'd consider a good marketing strategy? For smaller bands/individuals without large funds, aren't they rather limited to the people they know and their friends, and sites likes YouTube or Bandcamp? Personally, I like to find new bands on YouTube, I don't torrent music. Then if it's stuff I like, I support the artist, and if it's stuff I don't, I stop listening.
    Black Hazard
    Leave it be. It's the internet and it is what it is. No one wants to pay their hard earned money on asinine bullshit anymore.
    Yax
    I sincerely hope your employer won't pay you your hard earned salary. I'm sure your employer has better ways to spend it.
    dsperez88
    I'm sorry I gave you a thumbs up. I meant to give you a thumbs down. It's funny that you say that. You can afford access to the internet, yet you don't want to pay $12.00 to buy an album and support your favorite artists. Jacka$$.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Agreed, dsperez88. If people can afford to pay for internet, but they can't save up money for an album (mostly because they won't set aside money)...then they have zero reason to complain about spending hard-earned money on music.
    --ESTRANGED--
    "Sign This Anti-Piracy Petition Now" - no. this will be just a small contribution to the imminent internet censorship laws which will be passed sooner or later. how about we petition guitar brands, guitar center, app developers etc from advertising on here? **** off UG, im not signing SHIT.
    Battery Chicken
    There really is no excuse for piracy, the whole "if I like it i'll pay for it" doesn't wash with me. Look at it this way, you're trying to sell a car, some guy comes over to look at it and tells you "I'm going to drive this around for a few days and if I like it i'll send you a cheque. If I don't like it, I'll still keep the car but I'll only drive it every couple of weeks." Granted a car is a tangible object and music is not, but it's still taken these people months/years to craft and create, and you think you have the god given right to just take it to see if you might think about buying it, which let's face facts you wont regardless of how good it is. For the record, I pay for all my music. You have the ability to sample everything these days, there is absolutely no argument for stealing it.
    Northernmight
    I would agree with anti-piracy in general, however, you gotta scan the whole thing for loopholes, or something scary might come out of it.
    Blazingguns00
    I buy as much music as i can afford on my meagre budget. I go to as many live gigs as i can spare time from school for (I am in year 12, so busy with Uni applications), and buy as much merch as I can reasonably justify. The simple fact is that I cannot afford to buy any more music. I haven't got enough money to buy all the songs I want. If I download these songs, the record companies/artists are losing no money. Often, at gigs I will buy an album I already downloaded, for the pure pleasure of having the CD, and to be able to know that the CD carries with it the memory of that gig. I would not be able to afford to do either of those things if i paid for all the music I have. I am not profiting from the music I download, so really, why does it matter?
    Sammy Mantis
    It's interesting to me that there isn't much talk of Amazon and other similar sites roles in this situation. I buy all my music USED on Amazon, meaning that the artist and/or label isn't receiving a red cent from me, no piracy involved whatsoever. Why would I pay $10-15 for a new CD when I can get a lightly used copy for $2-3?
    Lol Natures
    AT&T Cablevision Comcast Time Warner Cable Verizon If you have one of these as an ISP, drop them. Get one that believes in your privacy.
    thingstodo
    The only time I "steal" music is if I purchase music digitally from a legit source, I will then happily go torrent a higher quality version of the same album. I'm happy to pay people for a product/service, but at the same time, if after paying for said product/service at the price stipulated by the company that sold it to me, I can find the same product somewhere else, which is of better quality, for absolutely nothing, of course I'm going to get it. If places like iTunes or wherever else aren't offering the best quality product and are charging people, how on Earth are they to expect people not go find a better quality product for less expense?
    Face R1pper
    I also find it strange how people could consider spending a dollar on a shitty .mp3 file. But the easy solution to that is buying the record.
    JpDupp
    Music is a business, like it or not. Without the record companies, there would be no big tours, and nice album covers and nice merch. They provide the bands the money the need to do so. I see this as the same thing has buying food or video games. And you know, many many many people works for record compagnies, people that need jobs like you and me ... this is an industry not charity. To me, downloading music is the same thing has steeling for a store. It feel like am pissing on the band i love sayin: there you go, i like your music and i give you nothing for your work.
    Lil' Pookie
    I don't steal music, but If I were to ever get any kind of slow down to my Internet service intentionally from my provider I will close my account that same day and find another provider. I'm sure they won't give two poops about which record label will lose money when it's going to cost them my hundred plus dollars a month
    Spanner93
    Why the hell would I sign this. I work in the industry and we've noticed live income shoot through the roof due to piracy.
    MIKLO230
    Iv'e actually been pirating tabs on a great site versus buying a book....and I'm being asked to be against piracy by musicians? These tabs have made me explore music and download/pay for those songs..confusing...
    rabidgoon
    No. I support piracy. The days of people becoming millionaires by selling recorded simulacra are long gone. If musicians can't get over that and find other ways to make a living, tough. Get a real job like the rest of us.
    Breakingpoint56
    Someones a jealous ass. Being a musician is a "real job". Just because you enjoy your job doesn't make it less of one. As a matter of fact, being a musician is actually HARDER than say..working at a corporation. At a corp., you have all your instructions in front of you, all of your assignments and whats expected. If you're a musician with a major label, its "here. write me good music or we fire you." You are left to your own creativity and devices, while balancing a personal relationship with all the other members and being away from home for long stretches of time. What part of that does not sound like a real job you burger king slavebitch?
    Abacus11
    What you're saying is going to be unpopular and get plenty of downvotes but I agree with you completely. Any talented, hard working musician can make a far-better-than-average living through touring and merchandise but the days of the millions rolling in to any mediocre musician who is lucky enough to land a record deal are over. Most of those millions have always gone to the big labels and not the musicians themselves anyway. If you're a professional musician and can't handle making GOOD money but not necessarily EASY RIDICULOUS money then you need to find another job. When guys who play in bands or on professional sports teams make more money than our teachers, firefighters, etc. then we have a major problem with our society. Now to find a way to bring those basketball and football players' salaries back down to Earth and pay people with real jobs what they deserve...
    James Scott
    Fact time: most tours lose money. They are done to boost record sales in the hope that the increased record income will offset tour losses and maybe turn a profit overall. Now of course it's happening less and less. Bands can't afford to tour because record companies won't see their money back. I hope you like Madonna and Mariah Carey, because those are the only sorts of artists who will be touring in 20 years, because the economics have turned against it for all but the biggest acts who can sell out stadiums. How does it feel to have murdered the music you love?
    rabidgoon
    wrong. a lot more bands make money touring than make money selling music - some examples: disco biscuits, phish, lotus, papadosio, sts9, umphrey's mcgee, moe, pretty much any punk band you can name, the list goes on and on and on...
    Abacus11
    "Murdered the music I love?" Very dramatic... I'd actually be proud of that haha. It's just not true.
    TheExterminator
    "How does it feel to have murdered the music you love?" Record labels and corporate hacks who know nothing about Metal and Punk ruined the music I love, not me.
    Jacques Nel
    Dude commercialism is everything. Justin Bieber makes billions because his music is shoved down our throats by radio, mtv vh1 and everyone. And IMO his music is utter shit. If you have commercialism you can make it far. Labels don't care about quality anymore they care about what they can sell to people.
    ThatZachGuy
    That's one of the most ignorant things I've heard. Get a real brain like the rest of us.
    Brandnewlow
    Get a real job? I assume you play an instrument if you're on this site...in which case, you might as well get rid of it cause you're doing it wrong. There is nothing more satisfying then getting in a room with your mates and crafting songs and recording them. And if you can make a few bucks at it good on you. What the ****s a real job anyway? Working 40+ hours a week so hopefully one day when you can no longer physically work you might be able to retire? Might as well try being a professional musician first, if that fails, then become a slave to the grind.
    rabidgoon
    If you'll reread my post, I said musicians should get over the fact that the days of selling recorded simulacra for great profit are over, and they have a choice to either find a way to make money somehow else, or get a 'real job'. Perhaps my choice of 'real job' was bad wording, but my point is that there are plenty of bands out there who are touring - playing festivals, short tours, long tours, etc who make very little selling music. I know a number of people in some big bands in the jam band community and they basically got used to the fact that people don't buy their music, so they've learned to become exciting live bands that people pay to go see over and over again, because their sets change. The days of some cookie cutter acts being able to show up and play album versions of their songs because they can just rely on album sales are OVER. This is reality, it's not my 'opinion'. And there are other ways I don't begrudge musicians using to get funds either - selling music to commercials - I guarantee some of these guys on here decrying 'piracy' will in the next breath call a band 'sellouts' if their songs are used in commercials. I think it's great if artists can get that opportunity - same with using songs in movies and shows. The reality is that the days of anyone but the largest of stars selling a million albums in a year are over, and if a musician is not prepared to face that reality by finding another avenue to support their music-making, then they're doomed. Perhaps the way I wrote it is what bothered people, but if they think anything I wrote is untrue, then they're sticking their heads in the sand.
    f-cusson
    Just because you can't make money out of music doesn't make it an unreal job. This fact only tells you lack talent.
    rock-n-roll101
    I look at music as if it is a good - like a candy bar. Why buy a candy bar in which you will have one minute of pleasure when one could buy a song that could be used for the rest of their life? Get a job... What if John Lennon had to make fish & chips all day in order to support his music during Sgt. Pepper and after? The Beatles stopped touring - according to many, that is one of the only functioning revenue streams. It seems like a bleak, dismal future if that is the case.
    damillion
    Being a touring musician is much worse than your real job. You spend your life inside a bus which is more like a prison, you have little or no contact with your family and friends and you're expected to deliver your best every single night. No wonder touring musicians start taking drugs. Just saying.
    Zanary
    It still kills me that some spineless shitbags on here defend media piracy. Their justifications are all completely pathetic "oh, they make enough money" despite more and more stories about labels and artists being unable to continue due to piracy. If you indulge in music theft, don't pretend to be any kind of fan of music. Ripping off the people you should see as your brothers and sisters in art is just being a worthless, scumbag thief. Quit trying to sugarcoat that simple reality.
    i_am_metalhead
    I'd love to know where you get your information because most artists encourage people to download their music so it can be spread to a larger fan base.
    Yax
    I would myself like to know on what statistics you lean on when you say "most artists encourage people to pirate". There are some who outright do - The rest on the other hand, I'd guess, shut up, because speaking up might bring down a massive shitstorm, possibly damaging their reputation, sales and concert attendance.
    atira
    Musicians today are "motivated" to earn their money from live performances. Live performances can not be pirated. Besides that, use youtube or similar free services and generate income through their ads. One thing I can't understand: some music videos on youtube are blocked in certain countries. The more you try to limit or to charge people, the more they will try to be free. Try to sell music for a reasonable price and they will buy your product. If you charge an insane amount, people won't buy it, even if it can't be pirated. The only thing you will succeed at is that people will generally stop listening to your music. In the end, you will lose even more money and go bankrupt. Though I would like to see these people go bankrupt.
    James Scott
    Really? My artists sell their music at 69c a track with no DRM and people still torrent it anyway. Just how cheap does music need to get?
    Yax
    You're asking the wrong question. Just how cheap can people be?
    crazysam23_Atax
    "One thing I can't understand: some music videos on youtube are blocked in certain countries." That's because someone posts a video using a song without permission usually.
    Kueller917
    I know a lot of music videos that were blocked even though they were uploaded from the band's official page. YouTube really doesn't give a damn about copyright claims and their validity.
    j-mac71
    whats an insane amount to pay for music? are you that much of a ****in cheapskate 15 year old?
    DeanThaBean
    Why would bmw ask major companies to stop advertising on pirate networks?
    killerkev321
    "Companies including Adobe, BMW, Google and TuneCore are targeted in the letter which calls them out for posting advertisements on peer-to-peer websites"
    dsperez88
    Let me be clear with the following statement: If you support piracy, I hope you either A) get caught and arrested or B) die a slow, painful, and fiery death. I don't know why, but piracy is an issue I feel very passionate about. End rant.
    Dimarzio45
    GREAT! Throw people in ALREADY OVERCROWDED prisons. Sounds real "smart". Meanwhile, people like you will bitch about how your tax money pays for all of their meals. Get a ****in grip.
    Face R1pper
    I actually prefer this: I hope these piracy supporters get what they view as a "real job", and then have their employers tell them that they won't be getting paid because people now believe that the industry they work in should be provided as a free service.
    eVwaylon
    Everyone is looking at the money side of things. I see it as immoral. Whether they are super rich and don't need the money or they are poor as shit and do need it, it's still stealing.
    KinkyC
    This is America, where poor people are entitled to get other people's property for free
    Abacus11
    I'm sure most poor people would trade free music for the perks of being wealthy - nice homes, abundant food, vacations, decent medical care, good educations... you know, all of those things that poor people have to live without. I would.
    Face R1pper
    Alot of these people pirating music do have those. They're a bunch of whiny suburban high school kids who think their parents aren't giving them enough allowance money so they use that to justify their piracy.