Skunk Anansie Slam Muse For Dubstep Claim

Muse are jumping on a bandwagon, say Skunk Anansie, and claim that the world just needs a big fat rock album to bring rock back.

Skunk Anansie Slam Muse For Dubstep Claim
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Skunk Anansie have slammed Muse for saying that dubstep is the new rock n' roll. Muse frontman Matt Bellamy had said last week: "The moshpit has moved from guitars and gone towards the laptop. With the song we're trying to see if we can challenge the laptop. "We created something that's dubsteppy, but we wanted to see if we could do it with real instruments. We wanted to ask, 'Can rock bands compete with what these guys are doing?'" But Skunk Anansie guitarist Ace say Muse are just jumping on a bandwagon. "It's not the new rock'n'roll, because rock'n'roll is the new rock'n'roll," he told Gigwise. "Dance and dubstep are two different art forms. They jump on the art form to be trendy." Singer Skin agrees that rock has something that dubstep can never counter. "The world is missing a great big fat rock album," she said. "When someone is playing the guitar there is a spiritual connection that you cannot get from a CD sample... and that's why I think rock music will never die." While it is inaccurate to say dubstep has replaced rock, it's fair to say that it's connecting with young people in a way that rock music once did exclusively. So what can rock do to remind live music fans that guitars can make an almighty live sound too? Share your ideas in the comments.

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    kerokero
    Oh, God forbid a musician finds influence in a genre of music not made from the 70's and prior. Muse is a band who has always had a tech-savyy stance. From the songs the write, to the lyrics sung, the gear they use, even their live shows!! If Bellamy and the biys are heading into a dubstep-influenced direction, then let them. I'm surprised they haven't done so already. At the end of the day, music is an individual's enjoyment. I don't care if you like 2 Chainz, Trivium, Deadmau5 or Marina & the Diamonds. If you find happiness in those sounds, then all the good to you. You aren't forcing me to listen to it, and it isn't stopping my favourite ROCK musicians from making music that I like...guitar-based rock.
    UniformRecon
    I can tell you this: as a musician I will NEVER pay to see a "musician" who plays "music" by pressing a button OR has a laptop as his/her "instrument".
    Cold Reader
    qrEE wrote: if you can't play your own music, you're a studio band and probably suck.
    You get that the Beatles became a studio band in their experimental years, right?
    Cold Reader
    Doctor.Dolittle wrote: See, rock takes a lot of actual skill. Dubstep does not.
    You had me agreeing with you until this point. After trying my hand at dubstep I can honestly appreciate what these guys are doing. I don't actually like dubstep myself but thought it'd be interesting to see what I could do with it. Learning about and using elastic audio, HPF's/LPF's, side chain, huge layers of virtual instrumentation, obscene amounts of automation, pitch shifting, panning as well as the compositional side was one of the most enjoyable thing's I'd done. I'm no dubstep fan but it is an extremely difficult genre to do well. http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/upload... ow-electronic-music-is-made.jpg
    CollyOBrien
    I don't really think Mr Bellamy said it was going to 'replace' rock, and I really don't think one of the biggest bands in the world needs to jump on a bandwagon to get exposure, and they certainly don't bash other bands to get exposure either!
    smittyanthrax
    JuteJute wrote: And somethins SLAMS something again. I love this slam word.
    Yeah i love the slamming too.Like slamming Katy Perry.
    MatasTeen
    Remember the reactions parents had with rock music in the 60's and 70's? This is what everyone here sounds like. If the people here, are in any way like me, then you know what it's like when people assault your music and you have to defend it. Now, we're all mutually slamming something else. You can't say you have the right to slam dubstep because it lacks talent or creativity, but people slammed rock for being less musical than jazz, and jazz for being less musical than classic music. Just agree dubstep is too out there for your taste and move on. I'm not a fan of dubstep, but neither am I a fan of hypocrisy, and everyone here seems to worship the latter.
    RushJam
    OK, finally I figured that I'm a old man... Never heard the term "dubstep" before, and don't know nothing about.
    7revor
    I think a lot of people are missing the point of the quote. He almost says that the fact that " has moved from guitars and gone towards the laptop" is something unfortunate. The article further reads that they went to a Dubstep concert. They noted that the energy was unbelievable, and was coming from a simple set up with a laptop. They want to "challenge the laptop" and try to use rock to fuel that same energy that young teens and adults were feeling. It's all experimentation. And for ****s sake guys, it's one song. The rest of the album is rock. The entire thing is Muse. Let them do their ****ing thing without claiming "SELL OUT" or "UNORIGINAL!". I haven't heard it all, you haven't heard it all. Lets see where they take us.
    Bass-riffer
    I don't believe in genres, if something's good, who cares about what kind of style it is.
    iommi600
    Doctor.Dolittle wrote: See, rock takes a lot of actual skill. Dubstep does not.
    crazysam23_Atax wrote: Tell me, how many years does it take to learn to edit sound files? And how many years to learn guitar, drums, bass, etc.?
    Comments like this make my balls turn inside out. No wonder that every band that experiments with anything other than another style of rock and roll gets shit nowadays.
    Maxmetpt
    From what I've read in UG's articles, they never actually quoted "Dubstep is the new Heavy Metal" from Matt in the last article. Now "Heavy Metal" went to "Rock n' Roll". I think this is getting really dumb, honestly.
    Doctor.Dolittle
    Dubstep will never replace rock. You'll see, dubstep will have been just another fad of music. Rock's been around (and has been popular and respected) for a little more than half a century, dubstep only got very big and popular recently. See, rock takes a lot of actual skill. Dubstep does not.
    iommi600
    Besides, who actually gives a **** about skills? What matters is what you can do with what you've got, music is just supposed to be honest. But, if you want to disagree, go ahead with your "skills hurp" and argue with the punk bands that managed to create a revolution in rock and roll with 3 chords.
    Italikz
    I know I might get bashed for this but honestly guys, this is just another step in music. Back when Rock music made the scene, the young kids embraced it, made it something great. There were people from past generations thinking of how stupid and unskilled you had to be to play rock. It's just a few basic chords, melodies played in pentatonic. You can't just dismiss dubstep as boring and uninspired. Distortion and wah and all other effects back then were just as revolutionary as the laptops today. I'm not saying you're a bad person but do you really wanna be like that person who only listens to classsical music and just won't give rock a chance? It's basically the same idea.
    darkdevout
    Doctor.Dolittle wrote: Dubstep will never replace rock. You'll see, dubstep will have been just another fad of music. Rock's been around (and has been popular and respected) for a little more than half a century, dubstep only got very big and popular recently. See, rock takes a lot of actual skill. Dubstep does not.
    Dubstep doesn't take skill? Everything takes skill you ignorant prick, I'm no dubstep fan but just because something isn't rock n roll doesn't mean it doesn't take any skill.
    SixDemonBag
    As long as Muse does something original with it I don't have a problem. They're not going to sound like Skrillex or some other one-dimensional Dubstep artist when they release Dubstep-influenced music. Hopefully.
    Human371
    I try not to comment in this scenario usually, but first thought when I saw the article was "Who?".
    timk56
    qrEE wrote: muggsymac22 wrote: Dubstep is too electronic music as metal is too rock music More like Dubstep is to electronic music as armpit farts are to rock music. Dubstep takes no effort at all. My view on music is that if it CAN'T be performed live, then it probably isn't that great. And that applies to metal and rock bands too, if you can't play your own music, you're a studio band and probably suck (Dragonforce). But that's all Dubstep is... studio music. It takes no effort. Give me some fake drums and the wub wub effects, and I can make you 70 minutes of Dubstep, it's that easy. I already have Cubase and I can always just pitch shift the sound effect to get the different melodies.
    Ignorance at its finest.
    Vinson
    Something to ponder. Of ALL the LOCAL acts in your area, How many are "dub step" bands....or even pop bands, vs. rock and roll/punk/metal bands? Rock ain't dead, it's just not being pushed down our throats!
    Cold Reader
    Italikz wrote: I know I might get bashed for this but honestly guys, this is just another step in music. Back when Rock music made the scene, the young kids embraced it, made it something great. There were people from past generations thinking of how stupid and unskilled you had to be to play rock. It's just a few basic chords, melodies played in pentatonic. You can't just dismiss dubstep as boring and uninspired. Distortion and wah and all other effects back then were just as revolutionary as the laptops today. I'm not saying you're a bad person but do you really wanna be like that person who only listens to classsical music and just won't give rock a chance? It's basically the same idea.
    Totally agree. It's all progression, it could be to the detriment of a genre and go against what many believe about music. I believe dubstep is a fad and will die out like many genres before it, but the laptop is here to stay and until the next thing comes out (the next thing may never come out, laptops can be updated in ways that instruments can't) it will continue to push the boundries of what is possible.
    gateway01
    You should all just chill out and quit writing long winded paragraphs of arbitrary minutia and stupiditiy. Music is an artform of expression and everyone is entitled to express it however they want, and be free of form criticisms. There is no right or wrong way to create Art. A guy playing the spoons could even be interpreted as metal, depending on the mood and mindset of the person watching or listening to it.
    this. this. this. +37 I love spoons.
    thebigredjj10
    MatasTeen wrote: Remember the reactions parents had with rock music in the 60's and 70's? This is what everyone here sounds like. If the people here, are in any way like me, then you know what it's like when people assault your music and you have to defend it. Now, we're all mutually slamming something else. You can't say you have the right to slam dubstep because it lacks talent or creativity, but people slammed rock for being less musical than jazz, and jazz for being less musical than classic music. Just agree dubstep is too out there for your taste and move on. I'm not a fan of dubstep, but neither am I a fan of hypocrisy, and everyone here seems to worship the latter.
    I can't seem to get into dubstep myself, and that partly is probably my fault as I haven't put any effort into liking or understanding it yet. But you did it the nail on the head. This forum sounds like a bunch of geezers terrified of a new thing. It's one thing not to like the genre, but the hatred some people vehemently spew is just unwarranted, and frankly childish. Instead of reaching out to the new genre and trying to see what makes it popular, we immediately write it off as CRAP, and something stupid that the "kids" are listening to, and what do they know. It's really laughable how we criticize the past generations for judging are music harshly, but then when a new genre comes in that challenges ours, we do the exact same thing. This doesn't mean you have to actually like the genre, no one is forcing that upon you, just be open enough to accept that others do.
    arnolddrummer
    It will never replace metal, but I can see where Bellamy's coming from. In dubstep, you get the busy heaviness, which is what we metal heads live for and yes there are moshpits at dub step concerts. But one genre of music cannot 'replace' another.
    jhymadesh
    Oh come on! Do you haters even tried to reproduce a decent drop? This 'button bashing' as you call it is in fact really complicated. For one single wobble you'll need complex layers of instruments. OK its MIDI controlled but what is the big deal of that? In fact, as a guitarist who enjoys his rock, metal and jazz, I can enjoy dubstep and other electronic music. At first I didn't like EDM at all but when I tried to reproduce it I realised how difficult and time-taking it is to make (I'm not talking about House and stuff like that) and my respect towards DJ's and producers has been growing ever since. So I think that combining rock and EDM can be really interesting (look at bands like Enter Shikari) and I think that this project of Muse could work out really cool. Peace
    onetonryan
    A good musical idea is a good musical idea. It doesn't matter if it is created with a laptop, a guitar or a wooden spoon and a pot. If it bends your ear, then keep listening.
    xberserkx
    Type "slam" in the UG search engine, and see how many results come up. It's truly amazing.
    GenerationKILL
    You should all just chill out and quit writing long winded paragraphs of arbitrary minutia and stupiditiy. Music is an artform of expression and everyone is entitled to express it however they want, and be free of form criticisms. There is no right or wrong way to create Art. A guy playing the spoons could even be interpreted as metal, depending on the mood and mindset of the person watching or listening to it.
    dannydraper1986
    Surely this is all rather silly. Misquotes and stuff of that ilk. Muse are only what they've done all along, recreate their own sound. They've seen the apparent Dubstep takeover of modern pop music and have decided "Hey, how about we try and take what their doing, add our own madness to it and spew it back?" Muse are progressive yet mainstream. They're not going out of their way to make their music accessible, they are just making music. Thats the artist point of view. From a business point of view, of which they are shrewd, this would probably guarantee a top 10 single and most probably, like all their albums since OSS or Absolution, a number one record in the UK and going by their recent record, they'll possibly get close to number one worldwide. The fear that people have because of this short clip of them playing dub step is that its going to be a whole albums worth of regurgitated dub step nonsense. But, was every song on Black Holes like Supermassive Black Hole? Or every song off Resistance like Uprising? I'm not knocking what anyones said, I respect all your view points. But to me, these are the simple facts. But who knows, we'll all probably be wrong which would be more interesting!
    rockr09
    For people arguing about live shows... if you go to an EDM show and expect it to be something like a Led Zep concert or whatever rock band you like, you're gonna be disappointed. It's called electronic dance music for a reason. Also Muse has always mixed electronic elements into their songs, and now their trying to mix in a popular edm style with their songs. It might sound like crap, it might not. Wait and listen with a open mind.
    LaughingWater2
    @Doctor.Dolittle i've been playing guitar 5 years and it took me about 3 years to learn all the theory, chords and scales. as for producing electronic music i still dont know everything about it, the thing is that with a DAW theres infinite possibillitys since you can always add new instruments. I'd say it took me 2 years before i produced a decent drum n bass song, but i dont give a **** if someones talented. Pink floyd werent exactly amazing at instruments, they just had amazing creativity, you cant say that looping the same synth riff around for 5 minutes like they did in on the run is being talented. although i will say that dubstep these days isnt in anyway creative, its all been too samey since the 2008
    Abacus11
    Wow... Skunk Anansie... I forgot that they existed. The last time I heard anything about them was probably 15 years or so ago with that "Selling Jesus" song. Good stuff... now I have to see if they've been doing anything recently.
    guarana
    Metal bands borrowed the breakdown from hardcore, and at this point they're pretty tired. Muse had the really heavy Rage-Against-The-Machine breakdowns like in Stockholm Syndrome and Hysteria, and I think the new dubstep breakdown is pretty cool and refreshing.
    crazysam23_Atax
    Agree 100%, Skunk!
    darkdevout wrote: Doctor.Dolittle wrote: Dubstep will never replace rock. You'll see, dubstep will have been just another fad of music. Rock's been around (and has been popular and respected) for a little more than half a century, dubstep only got very big and popular recently. See, rock takes a lot of actual skill. Dubstep does not. Dubstep doesn't take skill? Everything takes skill you ignorant prick, I'm no dubstep fan but just because something isn't rock n roll doesn't mean it doesn't take any skill.
    Tell me, how many years does it take to learn to edit sound files? And how many years to learn guitar, drums, bass, etc.?
    Dr Sin
    Skunk Anansie slamming Muse is like Black Veil Brides slamming Iron Maiden. Who gives a shit what they think?!
    iommi600
    qrEE wrote: More like Dubstep is to electronic music as armpit farts are to rock music. Dubstep takes no effort at all. My view on music is that if it CAN'T be performed live, then it probably isn't that great. And that applies to metal and rock bands too, if you can't play your own music, you're a studio band and probably suck (Dragonforce). But that's all Dubstep is... studio music. It takes no effort. Give me some fake drums and the wub wub effects, and I can make you 70 minutes of Dubstep, it's that easy. I already have Cubase and I can always just pitch shift the sound effect to get the different melodies.
    Oh... my... god... I'm done arguing with people that define dubstep with Skrillex. Seriously. Btw, "MatasTeen" just hit the nail in the head.
    Anjohl
    1) it's just dance music people, nothing new. 2) Who cares what Skunk OR Nancy thinks?
    FERAL1975
    Yeah and they didn't have a trendy (at the time)Drum 'n' Bass intro to Charlie Big Potato?
    jBracken_2010
    Boo hoo, someone likes and is influenced something that I don't like. Make your music and be stoked that other people like it, who cares what someone else does, especially if you don't like it. Knock this 13 year old middle school shit off and grow up. Music is music.
    Voodoochile711
    crazysam23_Atax wrote: Agree 100%, Skunk! darkdevout wrote: Doctor.Dolittle wrote: Dubstep will never replace rock. You'll see, dubstep will have been just another fad of music. Rock's been around (and has been popular and respected) for a little more than half a century, dubstep only got very big and popular recently. See, rock takes a lot of actual skill. Dubstep does not. Dubstep doesn't take skill? Everything takes skill you ignorant prick, I'm no dubstep fan but just because something isn't rock n roll doesn't mean it doesn't take any skill. Tell me, how many years does it take to learn to edit sound files? And how many years to learn guitar, drums, bass, etc.?
    How many years does it take to learn how to compose a song, whether it's made of sound files or real instruments? I don't like dubstep that much, but it does take skill to create and saying it doesn't is complete ignorance.
    TheExterminator
    Superperfex wrote: God forbid a band is influenced by something in modern day culture.
    That would be all fine and dandy if this example of "modern day culture" wasn't just a cheap and bastardized rip off of a 90s electronic movement. It'd be even better if it didn't seem like Skrillex was the only piece of Dubstep they knew, because Skrillex makes horrible Dubstep. It's like talking about modern Rock music and then claiming you love Black Veil Brides: you are going to get ridiculed and people are going to realize you know absolutely nothing about the genre or its present-day status. They aren't being "influenced by something in modern day culture", they're jumping on a trend. A shitty trend of dumbed-down, commercialized trash pretending to be a legitimate genre of music.
    zn-1 wrote: literally takes absolutely no talent, just like Rap.
    Go away.