Smashing Pumpkins Frustrated By Fans

Smashing Pumpkins get frustrated when fans just want to hear their old songs and they plan to primarily play new record "Oceania" when they tour again.

Smashing Pumpkins Frustrated By Fans
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Smashing Pumpkins get frustrated when fans just want to hear their old songs. Frontman Billy Corgan says despite all the work he puts into writing new material, fans often just want them to play the classics. He told ArtistsDirect.com: "We met this wall resistance like, 'It's nice you guys want to move forward, but can't you just play the old songs?' I've had five years of 'Can't you just play the old songs?' The whole time, all I've done is put my head down and try to make new music. You reach a point of literal frustration where you start going, 'Maybe this is never going to move forward? Maybe the vague 'they' out there will never accept The Smashing Pumpkins of this time?'" However, concertgoers could be disappointed next time they're at a show because Billy says they plan to play their latest offering "Oceania" in its entirety with only few fan favourites thrown in. He told ArtistsDirect.com: "[Playing 'Oceania' from beginning to end live] was always the plan from the beginning. We made the album with that in mind. Everybody is out playing their old album. Now, it's created a thing where people expect that. Being The Smashing Pumpkins, we're going to play an album; it's just going to be our new one. "We want to play the album and then play some classics to go with it. I have to give some credit to [Pink Floyd's] David Gilmour. I saw him on his solo tour in 2006, and he did that. He came out and played a couple of 'The Dark Side Of The Moon' songs. He played his whole new record. Then he did 'Echoes', 'Comfortably Numb', and all of that stuff. It was awesome. It was a really cool thing, and you felt like he was honouring where he was at and did this idealised set afterwards. That's what we're shooting for." Thanks for the report to ContactMusic.com.

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    Gibson0204
    It's a tricky situation Billy's in, I see what he means about wanting to play newer stuff rather than the same old songs for the multi-billionth time, but then as a fan i'd get annoyed if I went to see them and they didn't play some of my favourite songs. It's a lose-lose situation.
    bulusvanua
    I don't think the fans have any reason to complain, he has publicly said what he plans to do, if you don't want to see that don't buy the ticket. If he doesn't sell many tickets he'll know what to change if he decides to keep going.
    getts182
    randymeeks81 wrote: this article should be titled "Billy Corgan does his best to dismantle former Smashing Pumpkins Legacy". This new incarnation of the band is more damaging than the Axl Rose's GnR Circus.
    Speaking as someone who isn't particularly a Pumpkins fan, the situation is hardly the same. It's fairly common knowledge that Billy Corgan was and always has been the Pumpkins mastermind, and that he was known to have recorded most, if not all, of the guitars and bass on albums, even when James and D'arcy were in the band. He was the primary creative force, unlike Axl Rose.
    Sheep Shagger
    I'm a fan of the Pumpkins. Not a huge fan, but still a fan... Billy may be sick of playing the old stuff, but it is what pulls in casual fans to their concerts. If I was to attend one of their concerts, I would expect to hear a mixture of hits, rarities and new material.
    M3talh3@d
    Best thing to do is play the new with the old. Make the concerts a little longer. Give the fans a little of the old stuff while holding true to his word by playing all the new stuff.
    Pagan_Poetry
    M3talh3@d wrote: Best thing to do is play the new with the old. Make the concerts a little longer. Give the fans a little of the old stuff while holding true to his word by playing all the new stuff.
    Yeah. Maybe have a double set? Mastodon did that with Crack The Skye by playing it in full, taking a quite couple of minutes of a break and coming back with a whole new set. Pumpkins could do that, surely.
    crazyhorse174
    john_kimble wrote: Crybaby Corgan should just retire or something. Not being judgemental, but if he's frustrated with the business and the fact that the hipsters only wanna listen to the Black Keys and Foster the People, maybe he should just stop making music and expecting people to support a project with the "Smashing Pumpkins" name whenever the product is clearly NOT the Smashing Pumpkins? Just my $0.02.
    What the hell is a hipster? Isnt that a style of trouser or something?!
    M3talh3@d
    M3talh3@d wrote: Best thing to do is play the new with the old. Make the concerts a little longer. Give the fans a little of the old stuff while holding true to his word by playing all the new stuff. Yeah. Maybe have a double set? Mastodon did that with Crack The Skye by playing it in full, taking a quite couple of minutes of a break and coming back with a whole new set. Pumpkins could do that, surely. I believe they could. I think that would be best. Giving the fans what they want and for the pumpkins to expose their new material
    NorCalLos
    Duke_Lukem wrote: NorCalLos wrote: Dude--You don't have to play the old songs. Just don't charge people money to see you and you can play what you want. This might actually be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my entire life.
    You are obviously new here.
    jrodgers
    Billy this is VERY simple. No one was paying attention to your solo career and all your new material, so you decided to just rebrand it as "Smashing Pumpkins". With that brand name, you are going to attract a lot of people that want and expect to hear the frome the ENTIRE catelogue of "Smashing Pumpkins" songs. If you don't wanna play all that other material, then don't call yourself "Smashing Pumpkins", and no one will complain. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
    Redsectoreh
    I don't blame him, the man is a true artist. He explains his feelings pretty well in the "If all goes wrong" documentary.
    pokerhappy
    Next week: "Metallica 'frustrated' over playing Master of Puppets all the time, plans to play St. Anger in its entirety"
    BentheDrummer
    2 Choices for Billy: 1- He can be the fan favorite and play songs he's sick of and make a bunch of money. 2- He can be an artist and people may not like the direction he takes. You can't be mad at people for enjoying your art.
    Spychosis
    john_kimble wrote: Gee, thanks for clarifying that for me Einstein. Now I can sleep easy tonight. What you clearly missed, egghead, is the point. Smashing Pumpkins was Crybaby Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain, James Iha, and D'Arcy, regardless of the fact that Crybaby Corgan was the principal songwriter. You strike me as someone who would go see the new Guns N Roses and think it's the same as it ever was. Dolt.
    Why do you keep talking about other bands no one mentioned? GnR isn't the same either because other members had more influence in writing than in Pumpkins. And your "point" was so clouded in douchbaggery that no one got it. Tactfullness. Look it up.
    BassKid101
    I've honestly never thought about it from Billy's point of view, he makes a very good point here. What's the point in taking time to creat new music if people are just going to complain about not hearing stuff from years before?
    jrodgers
    David Gilmour does NOT do what you are planning to do Billy. He does not go out on stage as "Pink Floyd", and spend the vast majority of the show only playing his own new material. He goes out as "David Gilmour", plays his "David Gilmour" solo material, which is exactly what people that bought tickets expect. A few classic Floyd songs at the end are just a little treat, but aren't required or demanded by what he is advertising his show to be just as himself. If you made Oceania a "Billy Corgan" album, and printed "Billy Corgan" on the tickets, you could do what Gilmour does, and fans would be okay with it. Sure you may not draw the crowds that "Pumpkins" do, but David Gilmour doesn't get the crowds a "Pink Floyd" concert would either.
    Iommianity
    I couldn't give much less of a **** about either Billy Corgan or the Smashing Pumpkins at this point; as it stands, the situation doesn't strike me as the same as GnR. Axl wasn't the main songwriter of 'his' band, and all he contributed to the recording were vocals and piano. The Pumpkins are very much Corgan's band. And you know what? Oceania is a pretty good record. The first 3 songs alone are better than anything he's done in over a decade.
    Dylan_Guitar93
    What if you're a die hard fan going to see them for the first time? I feel that although I under where Corgan is coming from he fails to cater for the people inspired and captivated by his earlier works and the main reason as to why they may be there to attend. However, as I am seeing them myself for the first time in August I do respect the artic integrity for not abiding by the regular protocol and revealing himself as a new artist
    Duke_Lukem
    NorCalLos wrote: Dude--You don't have to play the old songs. Just don't charge people money to see you and you can play what you want.
    This might actually be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my entire life.
    gilbertn923
    They could have a concert with no opening acts, just "an evening with" type of situation. I saw Amon Amarth when they released Surtur Rising and they played that album in the first half and the second half was just all over the place from their previous albums. If Smashing Pumpkins did that, then they would be set for the rest of their tours.
    RadioMuse
    Based on my observations this is a common problem for most bands with sizable back-catalogs. Particularly those with beloved albums in their back-catalogs who are producing albums less heralded than the greats in their pasts. I recently saw Radiohead and they played all but one song from the newest album (King of Limbs), a newer tune or two (Staircase, and a completely new one), nothing pre-OK Computer, and only two songs from the crowd pleasing In Rainbows. While I was disappointed that I didn't get to hear all my favorites, and a little annoyed I had to sit through a couple songs I'm not terribly enamored with, I was ultimately left extremely impressed, very pleased, and still wanting more. That's just the nature of it. The same goes for the Smashing Pumpkins. If I was to see them I would want them to play at least a few of the old favorites, but I shouldn't expect them to play Siamese Dream and the best of Mellon Collie and either be forced to play 3 hours to get in new material or be limited to 3 newer songs. It's just not realistic.
    Bleak91
    A live divided in two sets. First set: oceania in its entirely. Second set: old stuff. Too exhausting to do it on every live? Do it only one time. You record it and then put it on a DVD They should do something like that. (sorry for bad english)
    Powerpro
    Aww boo hoo Billy, you'll just have to spend the rest of your life playing awesome songs people love to hear and make great money doing it. I just dont know how you live with yourself.
    link no1
    "WAAHHHH!!! Fans only wanna hear our old stuff!!!" Ever heard of Metallica Billy?
    gateway01
    honestly, I think Oceania is one of the best works from SP yet, but all these 90's bigots don't even want to listen to it. I like to maintain an open mind.
    derek_domino
    Beakwithteeth wrote: Write GOOD new material Billy Corgan. Then people might like it.
    Pretty much. Also, a steady and somewhat original lineup would help.
    losing battle
    Just do a double set. Play the entire new albulm in its entirity then do the main set its the best of both words and you don't have a shitty opening act.
    Alan Ciccone
    I'm a huge pumpkins fan and of Billy Corgan. So many artists in the past have complained like this. Hendrix comes to mind. The difference is, Hendrix's writing did not go downhill the way Billy's has. The last decade worth of Pumpkins material has been embarrassingly overproduced. When you hear him take the songs to an acoustic guitar there is still real heart there but the albums can't hold a candle to Gish or Siamese Dream so he can't really demand fans not to ask for old tunes.
    tomc2
    Its better him telling this now than having people pay for tickets only to hear what they don't like. Neil Young did that with one of his albums and the people I knew that went walked out of a 90 dollar show....
    Alan Ciccone
    Absurder22 wrote: If your new shit didn't suck so bad people would be happy with a mixed set.
    I think you put it better than I did
    Rands2113
    Oceania is an amazing album. I wouldn't mind at all if they do that for concerts. It shouldn't matter what people say. If you like the band your gonna let them play whatever.
    scrymusic
    Billy is a great artist/musican... Pretentous and pompous... Yes but he has written some great music... He is the smashing pumpkins but not entirely. James and Darcy has unique sounds and styles that add to the music. Danzig is like Coragan.... Does it all but if you listen to the John Christ, errie von, and biscuits line up there is a difference because they added their style and sound to it.. Everything after is different. Even Janes Addiction had a different sound after Avery left.
    Abacus11
    I can understand his frustration... but Siamese Dream and Gish are just such great albums. I haven't heard the new one yet but I'm looking forward to it.
    Rimfrost
    I dont really get why he gets such a backlash everytime he writes new material. I think a lot of the new pumpkins material has been quite amazing, Stitch in time might even be one of my favourite songs of theirs. If i went to see them live, i would prefer to hear some of the new stuff, though also some classics. They shouldnt limit themselves to classics, when theres so much good material to choose from.
    Firebreather01
    2 sets. Oceania set, classic set with a break in between. Billy gets what he wants, fans get what they want. Problem solved. Ps, I hope he doesn't pull a Muse and disown performing the msic that got him fame in the first place.
    emidog
    He should probably just make better music. That would take care of the problem.
    smittyanthrax
    randymeeks81 wrote: this article should be titled "Billy Corgan does his best to dismantle former Smashing Pumpkins Legacy". This new incarnation of the band is more damaging than the Axl Rose's GnR Circus.
    Give over.He doesnt treat his fans like Axl treats his.Their live shows are amazing and on time for that matter.Ive seen them 3 times each last roughly 3 hours with plenty of old and newer songs with an amazing stage show.Also Corgan wrote the majority of the pumpkins lyrics and music the rest of the band were best described as hired hands minus chamberlain ofcourse.
    6-String_Madman
    link no1 wrote: "WAAHHHH!!! Fans only wanna hear our old stuff!!!" Ever heard of Metallica Billy?
    Good example!