Smashing Pumpkins Play Less Than Stellar Gig

The Smashing Pumpkins have been the subject of a lot of fan backlash regarding a two-night anniversary show the band played in New York City.

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The Smashing Pumpkins have been the subject of a lot of fan backlash regarding a two-night anniversary show the band played in New York City to celebrate 20 years as a band.

The shows, which were the band's first in the city in nine years, left much to be desired by fans. The first night featured a few of the band's hits, such as "Today" and their newest single "G.L.O.W." but was still noticeably lacking in fan-favorites. The set list also featured an awkward rendition of "Heavy Metal Machine" and a cover of Pink Floyd's "Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun". The evening dragged on until the very end, where singer Billy Corgan mocked all the fans that were leaving the show early.

Things didn't get too much better on day two. The show started off strongly enough with appearances by mega-hit songs like "Cherub Rock" and "1979" but quickly died down to another night of the band lifelessly droning through their back-catalog with the occasional cover thrown in. Things got interesting halfway through the set, however, when Corgan allowed a fan to take the stage and express his opinion of the prior night's show. The fan promptly exclaimed, "Last night's show fucking sucked" to a mixture of applause and booing from the crowd. When asked by Corgan if he would like his money back, he said "No" while many in the crowd could be heard screaming "Yes!" Corgan let the kid go back into the crowd saying they were "good" but promptly took the microphone again and mockingly added, "By the way, I like that song you wrote: 'Take Your Dick out Of My Ass and Stick It in My Mouth.'" Footage of this can be found here.

Night two eventually ended in a half-hour long jam session and again saw many fans leaving the show early.

The band is currently touring in support of their 20th Anniversary. Hopefully the band was just having an off couple of nights and get back to their usual awesome selves soon.

Report by David Lowe-Bianco.

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    tands
    some bands dont take a hint when its time to throw in the towel
    ofreena
    For everyone who likes Smashing Pumpkins, go hear "What if the guy from Smashing Pumpkins Lost His Car Keys" by Stephen Lynch I believe. Its soo ...good! It sounds like Corgans voice, and his landslide type guitar.
    PoP N FresH
    i saw them when they came to aus on the zeitgeist tour and they didnt play disarm or zero.....and it was still ****ing awesome, ended with the 20 minute space guitar solo from billy on united states and it was really interesting and cool for the musos out there. the focus is the new direction for the pumpkins and i believethat while the old stuff is important, i appreciate the fact that theyve moved on, and that the new stuff is ****ing awesome...tarantula live was sweet.
    merfsullivan
    Great, I'm not even a fan of them, really, but I'm going to see them on Friday.... Glad to hear it's gonna suck...
    tomsawyer67
    im not a big fan but im sure i would be pissed if any show sucked like this and i was paying big bucks to see them. thankfully toe only horrible bands ive seen have been with other good bands sounds like a bunch of dicks who cant play good gigs. they also prolly ruined a good Pink Floyd song
    zalitz
    OK, if I'm a conertoholic. I do my f*%cking homework before I go to a show, just to know what I expect. Billy ANNOUNCED that these upcoming tours weren't going to be friendly towards the "greatest fits fans" or, in his own words, "the people who think Smashing Pumpkins ended in 1995". I saw how the setlists were like for my show, and my show was almost EXACTLY like New York's first night, and it rocked. Billy was in top form, even came out after the show to get feedback. He cares, but only when it comes to people who took the time to look into things that aren't Siamese Dream or Infinite Sadness. Really, do your homework before you go, or blame only yourself. Its not like he messed up the songs, or he had a shite voice or anything. When I saw them, Billy was feeling it, Jimmy was a drum demon, and thats all I needed. My only complaint was that Pink Floyd cover, damn if that sucker draaaaagggged out forever.
    Flying Afros
    Saw them last year at voodoo and they sucked, sadly. They do go on for long stretches jamming, although that isn't a bad thing. But fans expect full length, 4 minute songs, not droning jams
    ZeppelinRulez77
    Corgan just wanted to play what he wanted, and the fans got pissed because they didn't know any of the songs.
    IamGod 666
    ofreena wrote: For everyone who likes Smashing Pumpkins, go hear "What if the guy from Smashing Pumpkins Lost His Car Keys" by Stephen Lynch I believe. Its soo ...good! It sounds like Corgans voice, and his landslide type guitar.
    Don't do it. It's blasphemy
    Stickymongoose
    If you want to hear the same 2-3 hit songs over and over, you listen to FM radio. I go to a concert to see and hear a band perform something new, or at the very least, play their set list in a new way. If this tells us anything, it's just that Smashing Pumpkins could use some better fans. And it should come as no surprise that Corgan couldn't care less what they think. Let's see, if you're an accomplished musician playing what you want to play in large venues, should a few drunken idiots in the back yelling, "freebird" bother you?
    ofreena
    crazy8rgood wrote: Johnway wrote: smashing pumpkins in the 90s = AMAZING smashing pumpkins reunited = WASHED UP That about sums it up :haha:
    Nightwatchman10 wrote: this makes me really sad.. I absolutaly love the smashing pumpkins, they are probably my favourite band.. but this reunion isnt going well.. I personally am happy with the songs theyve done now and I dont want anymore. Im happy with what Ive got, I just want them to throw in the towel and stop embarrasing themselves..
    TOTALLY agreed. If they just did some ....reunion tour I'd be sooo happy. Just..play We Only Come Out at Night, Eye, The Everlasting Gaze and Bullet With Butterfly Wings..and go home..
    alaub1491
    strat0 wrote: randymeeks81 wrote: Gnomestar wrote: pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy... because they're not a jam band. billy corgan writes and records everything himself, and controls it all like a giant douchebag. good thing his doesn't make remarks that could be misconstrued as insulting to the gay community. oh wait... Wow! sounds like Trent Reznor.
    Wow your retarded. Lets take a solo artist who wrote brilliant industrial by himself and instead of calling his work Trent Reznor, he had the courtesy, humility, and respect to his stage musicians to call himself by a stage name, and bash him because another solo artist in a completely different genre happens to write all the music for a band that was broken up. When Billy Corgan gives away free albums to everyone in the world that are easily worth 15-20 bucks, then you can compare him to Trent.
    Cobalt Blue
    Yeah the 2 nights in Toronto were basically the same thing. I went the 2nd night, it was a good show, but they could use a few more hits in the set list. I understand they are a jam band... but it's the 20th anniversary tour a lot of people are there for hits. I should be there with a hard core fan who has three copies of most albums and tons of singles on vinyl and hear him say he didn't know half the songs they played.
    ofreena
    If they would just be smart and somehow get the original lineup ...perhaps they could be amazing again. Billy Corgan, I love you. But its never cool to TRY and get the band going again after leaving them for a weak solo attempt.
    Nebblacktip
    I was a fan of the Pumpkins before they broke up the first time, and I remember what happened with that break up. Everyone in the band basically said Billy Corgan's ego had gotten too big. Sounds like they were right... Oh well, another band from my youth aging less than gracefully. Color me less than surprised.
    st.stephen
    They only suck because Billy Corgan sucks and has an ego the size of Jupiter.
    piff665
    The pumpkins rocked at the Borgata in Atlantic City a few days ago. They played plenty of songs recognizable to the casual fan, so maybe they were just experimenting with a different set list.
    NoiseBox
    wow did anybody watch the video? Anybody who says billy corgan isn't a stuck-up piece of shit really should check it out.
    crazy8rgood
    Johnway wrote: smashing pumpkins in the 90s = AMAZING smashing pumpkins reunited = WASHED UP
    That about sums it up :haha:
    Dirk Gently
    Billy Corgan has always had some crazy ego regarding his music. I can remember watching behind-the-scenes stuff on the making of the 1979 video. During the house party scenes, they couldn't get the kids into it just ****ing around on the stage. Corgan was outraged that they not only had to play to get the kids into it, but they had to play their hit songs. I don't think they're washed up -- Corgan has a lot of talent and a lot of untapped creativity left -- I just think his ego gets in the way of everything else. And it's too bad. Smashing Pumpkins could've had the same longevity out of the 90s that Radiohead did. They were my favorite band when I was a teen. I want to strangle the ***** who introduced Billy Corgan to electronica.
    Lemoninfluence
    for a 20th anniversary show you play the songs that got you your 20 year career. This show seems like an ordinary gig with a special title added on. But I'm not a fan of SP so I wouldn't know. checked.
    BerryTree
    alaub1491 wrote: strat0 wrote: randymeeks81 wrote: Gnomestar wrote: pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy... because they're not a jam band. billy corgan writes and records everything himself, and controls it all like a giant douchebag. good thing his doesn't make remarks that could be misconstrued as insulting to the gay community. oh wait... Wow! sounds like Trent Reznor. Wow your retarded. Lets take a solo artist who wrote brilliant industrial by himself and instead of calling his work Trent Reznor, he had the courtesy, humility, and respect to his stage musicians to call himself by a stage name, and bash him because another solo artist in a completely different genre happens to write all the music for a band that was broken up. When Billy Corgan gives away free albums to everyone in the world that are easily worth 15-20 bucks, then you can compare him to Trent.
    just to add, Billy Corgan in his prime shits all over what trent ever did. Siamese Dream is better than any NIN album INCLUDING downward spiral, so stfu and gtfo.
    MetalGear1786
    CurlyBash wrote: hopefully this band wont turn into a "new metallica" and end up making their music the way the "fans" want it.
    I agree but shit, it just sounds like they need to be a bit more fan orientated at shows. I mean you pay alot of money to go! You shoudl at least get your moneys worth not a whatever the shit I feel like doing tonight thing like this. My advice, go see Tool they wont ever dissapoint! hahaha
    b-rock34
    tands wrote: some bands dont take a hint when its time to throw in the towel
    Your comment is irrelevant. This doesn't show that it's time to throw in the towel. Rather, that the band doesn't respect and appreciate their paying audience enough to give them what they payed for. In my mind, any great band should never really "throw in the towel". There are plenty of bands that have been around, seemingly forever, that put on amazing concerts. I just recently saw Roger Waters do Dark Side in it's entirety (sandwiched between other Floyd hits and miscellanious Waters solo songs), and it was a better show than most of the shows I have seen by current artists. Yeah, bands have their heyday, but music lives forever. I get what some of you are saying about just playing radio hits, but you must open your minds just a little bit. Just because it gets airplay doesn't mean it's terrible. Besides, most true fans want a little of both...but there's no doubt they want to hear their favorites whether or not they're on the radio. An example...Audioslave's "Set it Off" was rarely, if ever, played on the radio, yet it was a must-play live song when there were together.
    whytecell
    ok... let's get this straight, most of you probably never even had a band for more than 20yrs let alone, put up with "flunky" band members, and still became HUGE! I dont know if any of you guys realize this but, They are not Hinder, Kid rock, or any of those "single" sluts. Billy Corgan writes music, he's not famous for his singing. it's for his writing. If the band was overrated they would still be as big as they were in 1997 ok.... they are not as big, they perform on Late-night talk shows. The Smashing Pumpkins are for Fans not some 15yr kid that knows Bullet with butterfly wings as "rat in the cage song". im a huge smashing pumpkin fan, and i dont really like their singles. I like all the other great material not being pressed for the "radio". i have yet been to a concert. I wish i could go. and i dont know about you but, to me it's about the music. I don't care if billy plays "today" or "saturnine" im there to see the World's most Hated and Loved band. Not some crap like nirvana... HAha Kurt Cobain now that is overrated.
    Secondrate
    You guys are all stupid... The tour has been amazing to me. I've been watching the footage from each show. They are playing so many songs from albums that they havent played for like 15 years... I saw them a year ago and it was seriously the best concert i have ever been to i was blown away... But i am a hardcore fan. I cant get over all the fair-weathered fans this band has... sad.
    tands
    Higgs wrote: saucehead wrote: Overrated man from an overrated band. Overrated man? Have you heard the bashing he's getting here?
    LMAO aahahhaha sooooo true
    Higgs
    saucehead wrote: Overrated man from an overrated band.
    Overrated man? Have you heard the bashing he's getting here?
    tands
    b-rock34 wrote: Your comment is irrelevant.
    hardly, they havnt wrote a decent album in decades and a decent song in years, people who see their shows want their money back, those are some signs meaning you are done btw Gilmour Live > Waters Live
    gallagher2006
    Pretty much all the Pumpkins show since the reunion have been like this, nice to see it FINALLY get mentioned
    Corgan=God
    Also crowds were giving shit to Hendrix at woodstock for his solo tandrums, but now people think it's the greatest shit ever.
    Corgan=God
    Billy Corgan should be able to do what ever the **** he wants, if you actually take the time to listen to new Pumpkins stuff it shits all over there old stuff. Keep listen to your radio hits and masturbate over fall out boy. At least Corgan has the balls to do what ever his heart tells him not what some record label executive tells him to do.
    Anjohl
    It's not Smashing Pumpkins when it's just the singer and the drummer. Billy Corgan is a lucky, untalented idiot.
    arcanus trexor
    anuar_grg wrote: BerryTree wrote: alaub1491 wrote: strat0 wrote: randymeeks81 wrote: Gnomestar wrote: pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy... because they're not a jam band. billy corgan writes and records everything himself, and controls it all like a giant douchebag. good thing his doesn't make remarks that could be misconstrued as insulting to the gay community. oh wait... Wow! sounds like Trent Reznor. Wow your retarded. Lets take a solo artist who wrote brilliant industrial by himself and instead of calling his work Trent Reznor, he had the courtesy, humility, and respect to his stage musicians to call himself by a stage name, and bash him because another solo artist in a completely different genre happens to write all the music for a band that was broken up. When Billy Corgan gives away free albums to everyone in the world that are easily worth 15-20 bucks, then you can compare him to Trent. just to add, Billy Corgan in his prime shits all over what trent ever did. Siamese Dream is better than any NIN album INCLUDING downward spiral, so stfu and gtfo. WOAAH!!!! Siamese Dream is way better than Downward Spiral. Different genre man. They are not to be compared at all.
    i'm a fan of both bands, but are you kidding? have you listened to the fragile? listen to "just like you imagined" and try to tell me anything corgan has ever done in any way stacks up to trent's ingenuity.
    mat hazelwood
    worst live band ive ever seen, thank god someone finally acknowledged it in an article. i actually left my concert halfway through it was so boring, jam on your own ****in time corgan
    arcanus trexor
    strat0 wrote: randymeeks81 wrote: Gnomestar wrote: pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy... because they're not a jam band. billy corgan writes and records everything himself, and controls it all like a giant douchebag. good thing his doesn't make remarks that could be misconstrued as insulting to the gay community. oh wait... Wow! sounds like Trent Reznor.
    you clearly aren't very familiar with making music or how the creative process works. 90% of popular bands function this way, because it's the way that they should function. generally musicians lean towards either the skills side or the creativity side, with the creative ones being a lot more rare. bands should be grateful to have just one member gifted with the talent and the vision to construct original music. that's how most good bands work, that's how nine inch nails, tool, a perfect circle, meshuggah, the smashing pumpkins, rammstein, queens of the stone age, hundreds of other bands work. usually only 1 or 2 of the members do most of the actual composing. at the least, you have a composer who comes up with the bulk of the ideas, who sets the mood, who draws the lines, and then the band members sometimes have the opportunity to color between those lines. the creative process works better this way because it allows a band to have a clear distinguished, uncompromised vision, it allows the music to be more true to itself. bands that don't abide by this formula generally either make shitty generic music, or their music varies to chaotically that their fans as well as the band members themselves have a hard time agreeing upon anything(see deftones). i will never have nearly as much respect for someone like yngwie malmsteen as i will for someone like trent reznor. composers > "musicians". you wouldn't call bach or mozart a controlling douchebag, would you?
    yenners
    billy corgan is a dickeater. Who gives a flying fk what your past achievements are and how great u were when you're a complete @$$hole to your own fans that paid to see you???
    Stickymongoose
    Seriously, who goes to a concert with that kind of mindset? BORING, I've never heard this before. Play something that's on at least 10 radio stations right now. I want Rolling Stone and FM radio to filter all of my music before I hear it so I know it's cool.
    DanteR*
    Both nights had awesome setlists in my opinion. Don't go to the shows if all you know/are expecting are radio singles.
    SAINTJIMMY9999
    *Sigh* no one appreciates jam bands anymore They expect every concert to have 4 minute-length radio friendly hits I mean no one would ever expect an "Alternative Rock" band to do something different than all the other current rock bands...
    Mr. Grieves
    So your idea of "stellar" would be just a step above a steaming pile? This charade of a reunion tour should have never launched, it only gives off the feeling of trying to capitalize on the "reunion" craze with 90's artists.
    pyroseed13
    CurlyBash wrote: hopefully this band wont turn into a "new metallica" and end up making their music the way the "fans" want it.
    Are you kidding me? They made their money making music they knew their fans might not approve of. How else do you explain St. Anger?