Smashing Pumpkins Play Less Than Stellar Gig

The Smashing Pumpkins have been the subject of a lot of fan backlash regarding a two-night anniversary show the band played in New York City.

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The Smashing Pumpkins have been the subject of a lot of fan backlash regarding a two-night anniversary show the band played in New York City to celebrate 20 years as a band.

The shows, which were the band's first in the city in nine years, left much to be desired by fans. The first night featured a few of the band's hits, such as "Today" and their newest single "G.L.O.W." but was still noticeably lacking in fan-favorites. The set list also featured an awkward rendition of "Heavy Metal Machine" and a cover of Pink Floyd's "Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun". The evening dragged on until the very end, where singer Billy Corgan mocked all the fans that were leaving the show early.

Things didn't get too much better on day two. The show started off strongly enough with appearances by mega-hit songs like "Cherub Rock" and "1979" but quickly died down to another night of the band lifelessly droning through their back-catalog with the occasional cover thrown in. Things got interesting halfway through the set, however, when Corgan allowed a fan to take the stage and express his opinion of the prior night's show. The fan promptly exclaimed, "Last night's show fucking sucked" to a mixture of applause and booing from the crowd. When asked by Corgan if he would like his money back, he said "No" while many in the crowd could be heard screaming "Yes!" Corgan let the kid go back into the crowd saying they were "good" but promptly took the microphone again and mockingly added, "By the way, I like that song you wrote: 'Take Your Dick out Of My Ass and Stick It in My Mouth.'" Footage of this can be found here.

Night two eventually ended in a half-hour long jam session and again saw many fans leaving the show early.

The band is currently touring in support of their 20th Anniversary. Hopefully the band was just having an off couple of nights and get back to their usual awesome selves soon.

Report by David Lowe-Bianco.

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    BassFishin
    RU Experienced? wrote: FenderMaster wrote: But everytime they broke out one of their Siamese Dream/Melancolie songs everyone went wild Either Billy is bad at reading the crowd or he just doesn't care He's playing to support the new material he wrote, you can probably imagine that playing the same singles for 20 years gets stale after a while. I dislike the band anyway though but it's perfectly understandable that he's going to play new songs.
    yea, but when its a 20TH ANNIVERSARY show, then they need to be playing the hits that kept them famous over those 20 years, no matter how boring they are to the pumpkins, thats what they needed to do.
    guitar_freak523
    why would he ask a fan to come up and give his opion of the show and then cut him down because he was being honest
    Ninjamonkey767
    tands wrote: some bands dont take a hint when its time to throw in the towel
    Much more evident, being it was an anniversary show. Meh, they've had bad performances before. I still dislike new-pumpkins for the same reasons as I did before (moreso Billy than a lack of the original lineup).
    Gnomestar
    pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy...
    tands
    some bands dont take a hint when its time to throw in the towel
    Tele Echoes
    whytecell wrote: ok... let's get this straight, most of you probably never even had a band for more than 20yrs let alone, put up with "flunky" band members, and still became HUGE! I dont know if any of you guys realize this but, They are not Hinder, Kid rock, or any of those "single" sluts. Billy Corgan writes music, he's not famous for his singing. it's for his writing. If the band was overrated they would still be as big as they were in 1997 ok.... they are not as big, they perform on Late-night talk shows. The Smashing Pumpkins are for Fans not some 15yr kid that knows Bullet with butterfly wings as "rat in the cage song". im a huge smashing pumpkin fan, and i dont really like their singles. I like all the other great material not being pressed for the "radio". i have yet been to a concert. I wish i could go. and i dont know about you but, to me it's about the music. I don't care if billy plays "today" or "saturnine" im there to see the World's most Hated and Loved band. Not some crap like nirvana... HAha Kurt Cobain now that is overrated.
    You're soooo wrong. This band was totally about the singles. Why do you think they released so many? Oh yeah, because THAT'S THE PATH THEY CHOSE! I WOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN A CHANCE TO HEAR THE PUMPKIN'S MUSIC, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THEM BEING MAINSTREAM WHORES. I'M GLAD THEY'RE ABOUT THE SINGLES. I think it's quite ironic that not only would you use Kid Rock, since putting that name in a sentence regarding the Pumpkins is an insult to their history, as well as the fact that the Pumpkins probably released more singles than that clown did.
    whytecell
    ok... let's get this straight, most of you probably never even had a band for more than 20yrs let alone, put up with "flunky" band members, and still became HUGE! I dont know if any of you guys realize this but, They are not Hinder, Kid rock, or any of those "single" sluts. Billy Corgan writes music, he's not famous for his singing. it's for his writing. If the band was overrated they would still be as big as they were in 1997 ok.... they are not as big, they perform on Late-night talk shows. The Smashing Pumpkins are for Fans not some 15yr kid that knows Bullet with butterfly wings as "rat in the cage song". im a huge smashing pumpkin fan, and i dont really like their singles. I like all the other great material not being pressed for the "radio". i have yet been to a concert. I wish i could go. and i dont know about you but, to me it's about the music. I don't care if billy plays "today" or "saturnine" im there to see the World's most Hated and Loved band. Not some crap like nirvana... HAha Kurt Cobain now that is overrated.
    Secondrate
    You guys are all stupid... The tour has been amazing to me. I've been watching the footage from each show. They are playing so many songs from albums that they havent played for like 15 years... I saw them a year ago and it was seriously the best concert i have ever been to i was blown away... But i am a hardcore fan. I cant get over all the fair-weathered fans this band has... sad.
    tands
    Higgs wrote: saucehead wrote: Overrated man from an overrated band. Overrated man? Have you heard the bashing he's getting here?
    LMAO aahahhaha sooooo true
    Higgs
    saucehead wrote: Overrated man from an overrated band.
    Overrated man? Have you heard the bashing he's getting here?
    tands
    b-rock34 wrote: Your comment is irrelevant.
    hardly, they havnt wrote a decent album in decades and a decent song in years, people who see their shows want their money back, those are some signs meaning you are done btw Gilmour Live > Waters Live
    gallagher2006
    Pretty much all the Pumpkins show since the reunion have been like this, nice to see it FINALLY get mentioned
    Nerdo-sez-bo
    "By the way, I like that song you wrote: Take Your Dick out Of My Ass and Stick It in My Mouth."
    Oh yeah, I ****ing love that song!
    Corgan=God
    Also crowds were giving shit to Hendrix at woodstock for his solo tandrums, but now people think it's the greatest shit ever.
    Corgan=God
    Billy Corgan should be able to do what ever the **** he wants, if you actually take the time to listen to new Pumpkins stuff it shits all over there old stuff. Keep listen to your radio hits and masturbate over fall out boy. At least Corgan has the balls to do what ever his heart tells him not what some record label executive tells him to do.
    Anjohl
    It's not Smashing Pumpkins when it's just the singer and the drummer. Billy Corgan is a lucky, untalented idiot.
    b-rock34
    tands wrote: some bands dont take a hint when its time to throw in the towel
    Your comment is irrelevant. This doesn't show that it's time to throw in the towel. Rather, that the band doesn't respect and appreciate their paying audience enough to give them what they payed for. In my mind, any great band should never really "throw in the towel". There are plenty of bands that have been around, seemingly forever, that put on amazing concerts. I just recently saw Roger Waters do Dark Side in it's entirety (sandwiched between other Floyd hits and miscellanious Waters solo songs), and it was a better show than most of the shows I have seen by current artists. Yeah, bands have their heyday, but music lives forever. I get what some of you are saying about just playing radio hits, but you must open your minds just a little bit. Just because it gets airplay doesn't mean it's terrible. Besides, most true fans want a little of both...but there's no doubt they want to hear their favorites whether or not they're on the radio. An example...Audioslave's "Set it Off" was rarely, if ever, played on the radio, yet it was a must-play live song when there were together.
    arcanus trexor
    anuar_grg wrote: BerryTree wrote: alaub1491 wrote: strat0 wrote: randymeeks81 wrote: Gnomestar wrote: pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy... because they're not a jam band. billy corgan writes and records everything himself, and controls it all like a giant douchebag. good thing his doesn't make remarks that could be misconstrued as insulting to the gay community. oh wait... Wow! sounds like Trent Reznor. Wow your retarded. Lets take a solo artist who wrote brilliant industrial by himself and instead of calling his work Trent Reznor, he had the courtesy, humility, and respect to his stage musicians to call himself by a stage name, and bash him because another solo artist in a completely different genre happens to write all the music for a band that was broken up. When Billy Corgan gives away free albums to everyone in the world that are easily worth 15-20 bucks, then you can compare him to Trent. just to add, Billy Corgan in his prime shits all over what trent ever did. Siamese Dream is better than any NIN album INCLUDING downward spiral, so stfu and gtfo. WOAAH!!!! Siamese Dream is way better than Downward Spiral. Different genre man. They are not to be compared at all.
    i'm a fan of both bands, but are you kidding? have you listened to the fragile? listen to "just like you imagined" and try to tell me anything corgan has ever done in any way stacks up to trent's ingenuity.
    arcanus trexor
    strat0 wrote: randymeeks81 wrote: Gnomestar wrote: pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy... because they're not a jam band. billy corgan writes and records everything himself, and controls it all like a giant douchebag. good thing his doesn't make remarks that could be misconstrued as insulting to the gay community. oh wait... Wow! sounds like Trent Reznor.
    you clearly aren't very familiar with making music or how the creative process works. 90% of popular bands function this way, because it's the way that they should function. generally musicians lean towards either the skills side or the creativity side, with the creative ones being a lot more rare. bands should be grateful to have just one member gifted with the talent and the vision to construct original music. that's how most good bands work, that's how nine inch nails, tool, a perfect circle, meshuggah, the smashing pumpkins, rammstein, queens of the stone age, hundreds of other bands work. usually only 1 or 2 of the members do most of the actual composing. at the least, you have a composer who comes up with the bulk of the ideas, who sets the mood, who draws the lines, and then the band members sometimes have the opportunity to color between those lines. the creative process works better this way because it allows a band to have a clear distinguished, uncompromised vision, it allows the music to be more true to itself. bands that don't abide by this formula generally either make shitty generic music, or their music varies to chaotically that their fans as well as the band members themselves have a hard time agreeing upon anything(see deftones). i will never have nearly as much respect for someone like yngwie malmsteen as i will for someone like trent reznor. composers > "musicians". you wouldn't call bach or mozart a controlling douchebag, would you?
    yenners
    billy corgan is a dickeater. Who gives a flying fk what your past achievements are and how great u were when you're a complete @$$hole to your own fans that paid to see you???
    Stickymongoose
    Seriously, who goes to a concert with that kind of mindset? BORING, I've never heard this before. Play something that's on at least 10 radio stations right now. I want Rolling Stone and FM radio to filter all of my music before I hear it so I know it's cool.
    DanteR*
    Both nights had awesome setlists in my opinion. Don't go to the shows if all you know/are expecting are radio singles.
    SAINTJIMMY9999
    *Sigh* no one appreciates jam bands anymore They expect every concert to have 4 minute-length radio friendly hits I mean no one would ever expect an "Alternative Rock" band to do something different than all the other current rock bands...
    Mr. Grieves
    So your idea of "stellar" would be just a step above a steaming pile? This charade of a reunion tour should have never launched, it only gives off the feeling of trying to capitalize on the "reunion" craze with 90's artists.
    FenderMaster
    Yeah, they most definitely are a jam band I saw them back in February, and I'll admit that I spent fairly long stretches of the show bored out of my mind, and everyone else seemed equally bored, the crowd were visibly becoming less enthusiastic, but Billy didn't care he just kept playing their later songs and jamming... But everytime they broke out one of their Siamese Dream/Melancolie songs everyone went wild Either Billy is bad at reading the crowd or he just doesn't care
    anuar_grg
    BerryTree wrote: alaub1491 wrote: strat0 wrote: randymeeks81 wrote: Gnomestar wrote: pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy... because they're not a jam band. billy corgan writes and records everything himself, and controls it all like a giant douchebag. good thing his doesn't make remarks that could be misconstrued as insulting to the gay community. oh wait... Wow! sounds like Trent Reznor. Wow your retarded. Lets take a solo artist who wrote brilliant industrial by himself and instead of calling his work Trent Reznor, he had the courtesy, humility, and respect to his stage musicians to call himself by a stage name, and bash him because another solo artist in a completely different genre happens to write all the music for a band that was broken up. When Billy Corgan gives away free albums to everyone in the world that are easily worth 15-20 bucks, then you can compare him to Trent. just to add, Billy Corgan in his prime shits all over what trent ever did. Siamese Dream is better than any NIN album INCLUDING downward spiral, so stfu and gtfo.
    WOAAH!!!! Siamese Dream is way better than Downward Spiral. Different genre man. They are not to be compared at all.
    farfaraway
    Here_is_no_why wrote: When I saw them the crowd was ecstatic, and the band reflected it. The fans need to realize that the band is going through a rebirth, and don't necessarily want to play their hit singles. The article neglects the fact that the band is playing songs they haven't performed in over 10 years at these shows. If the fans aren't pleased with the older songs that aren't singles, then they really won't want to hear newer songs that aren't singles. They played Cupid de Locke for God's sake! Who would ever imagine hearing that live at a Pumpkins show over 10 years after it was written?
    Fans?
    strat0
    randymeeks81 wrote: Gnomestar wrote: pumpkins are a jam band and htey always do this, they did it when i saw em adn i f*ckin loved it, but i can understand why people woudln't be happy... because they're not a jam band. billy corgan writes and records everything himself, and controls it all like a giant douchebag. good thing his doesn't make remarks that could be misconstrued as insulting to the gay community. oh wait...
    Wow! sounds like Trent Reznor.
    JPScralatchtica
    mradamrock : props man, couldn't have said it better! ppl need to realize that it is not the 90's and bands will change and move on...either support 'em and enjoy the new music or stfu!
    ratmblink123
    So what? That's how the Pumpkins do it. I don't think Billy really cares if people leave, he's just having a good time.
    str84ever
    "By the way, I like that song you wrote: Take Your Dick out Of My Ass and Stick It in My Mouth." Wow look who can't take criticism...
    Ninjamonkey767
    ButThisGoesTo11 wrote: jetfuel495 wrote: so? i played a shit gig, wheres my news article? this just goes to show how much of an ego-maniac billy corgan is. he needs to realize that he's not as good as he thinks he is. this new smashing pumpkins should get bashed as much as the new GNR. zwan sucked, billy needed more money, billy then used the smashing pumpkins name to get more money. thats it.
    That's true. Zwan and Billys solo career were just the same billy in different mindsets. The name Smashing Pumpkins isn't a return to form, hes still a different person. Darcy and Iha have nothing to do with the change of sound. And mradamrock is right about extended versions of songs, but the crowd really needs to be in it in order for it to work. After a crap gig, the last thing you want to hear is feedback for 15 minutes.
    mradamrock
    ok i never post here.. but im tired of the media jumping on corgans shit all the time... i went to both shows and both were amazing... when that drunken idiot said the showed sucked id say the boo to cheer ratio was about 3 to 1... the pumpkins have ALWAYS played extended versions of songs live.. ex. silver****, ruby, porcelina, siva.. etc etc.... furthermore the only ppl upset about these shows were the casual fans who were upset bc every other song wasnt bullet with butterfly wings furthermore this was a tour about the ENTIRE career of the pumpkins, past, present, and FUTURE not mcis and sd era... not to mention these shows were not adore or machina driven.. they played soma, cupid as that other dude said, glapagos, suffer from gish, ... they also had extra musicians which addded to the experience.. and never in any way compare what axl is doing to what corgan is doing... the smashing pumpkins have not once used the word reunion since 2005 its called a REFORMING .. billy left the door open to both members that didn't come back and they chose to do so so stop talking about corgan as if he is some studio nazi just bc he has a certain way he likes things played... axl has been working on this "album" for 10 plus years and has went through more musicians than any other band that i can recall the only reason its coming out is bc bestbuy cut him a nice check... axl drove slash away from gnr... i bet 3/4 of the ppl here couldnt even name the other 2 original members of the pumpkins.. but corgans so horrible for driving the crack***** bassist out of the band...
    FiveStarMotel
    "By the way, I like that song you wrote: Take Your Dick out Of My Ass and Stick It in My Mouth."
    WTF does that even mean? That does not make any sense. Watch that be a real song.
    garagerocker69
    those shows were the worst displays of live music i have ever witnessed. the encore on the first night was just downright offensive.
    TJ1991
    OK cool, get over it. Anyone can play a crap gig but to not get the hint for the second night is just ignorant.
    Here_is_no_why
    When I saw them the crowd was ecstatic, and the band reflected it. The fans need to realize that the band is going through a rebirth, and don't necessarily want to play their hit singles. The article neglects the fact that the band is playing songs they haven't performed in over 10 years at these shows. If the fans aren't pleased with the older songs that aren't singles, then they really won't want to hear newer songs that aren't singles. They played Cupid de Locke for God's sake! Who would ever imagine hearing that live at a Pumpkins show over 10 years after it was written?
    slash_rocks2005
    [quote=ButThisGoesTo11]this just goes to show how much of an ego-maniac billy corgan is. he needs to realize that he's not as good as he thinks he is. this new smashing pumpkins should get bashed as much as the new GNR. zwan sucked, billy needed more money, billy then used the smashing pumpkins name to get more money. thats it.[/quote] i see the analogy of what you're going for, BUT...have you seen the new GNR's recent performances? FULL of energy! axl is still the same frontman he's always been, and his voice has recovered a lot of it's defining characerstics that he lacked with the 2001 comback...i'm for the old gunners over the new any day, but even a half assed new GNR show will have more energy and excitement than a half assed SP one. watch the Rocking am ring show by GNR from 2006. the performances don't even compare. but it's all subject to opinion, so no hard feelings for disagreements!
    NewsoftheWorld
    Wow,Billy became angry because he got answers from a fan who he himself asked to give him an opinion. Forget going to a Pumpkins concert now,I'm saving my money for the Chili Peppers.
    jpgilbert701
    Corgan has always come off as an ***** to me. Besides that his music has always droned on to me. I never thought he did anything ground-breaking.
    FenderMaster
    RU Experienced? wrote: FenderMaster wrote: But everytime they broke out one of their Siamese Dream/Melancolie songs everyone went wild I wasn't talking about Zeitgeiest songs, of course they'll support a new album But when a show is based heavily on Adore and Machina,it's a ittle disappointing Either Billy is bad at reading the crowd or he just doesn't careHe's playing to support the new material he wrote, you can probably imagine that playing the same singles for 20 years gets stale after a while. I dislike the band anyway though but it's perfectly understandable that he's going to play new songs.
    ravioli123
    I could go to a show and not give a shit if they play their popular songs, an energetic show is the point of a live show, otherwise you may as well stay home and listen to the records. If SP failed to put on a good show, the insulting was justified, if they didn't have their hearts or their energy in it, however, if they put on a good show, fair dues to them and **** the hits.